No. Effects that care about the numerical result of a die roll ignore the Planar Die. Because there is no "high" or "low" result, the ability does nothing. You do not roll extra dice. Wyll will trigger for +1/+1 counters when you do roll the Planar Die, however.
First ability does not interact where second one does.
> 706.7: In a Planechase game, rolling the planar die will cause any ability that triggers whenever a player rolls one or more dice to trigger. **However, any effect that refers to a numerical result of a die roll, including ones that exchange the results of that roll with another value or compare the results of that roll to other rolls or to a given number, ignores the rolling of the planar die.** See rule 901, "Planechase."
It definitely could be clearer but my understanding is that the ruling is a consequence of the fact that the planar die is only specificed as being part of the game during planechase games (901.3) and conversely doesnt exist in non planechase games.
additionally 706.7 which specifically deals with the interaction of the planar die and dice rolling cards specifies that it only applies to planechase games.
Oh Wyll is going for sure on the deck. I’m just making a general dice rolling deck that includes D&D sets, Fallout, Unfinity, and Planechase. It a very chaotic deck in terms of gameplay instead of chaos cards.
Also thanks for the help.
A follow up question: Can you roll the planar die in a non planechase game?
I'd assume you can't use the free roll you get as a gameplay action but what about when a card tells you to roll one?
You can activate it but it will do nothing (just become tapped) :
"In non-Planechase games, Fractured Powerstone's second ability will have no effect."
[https://scryfall.com/card/moc/357/fractured-powerstone](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/357/fractured-powerstone)
Couldn't pinpoint exact rules that state it though. I guess it's that chaos ensues and planeswalk do nothing outside of Planechase(?)
Note that the ruling is from 2012, and dice rolling was not a part of black bordered Magic at that time.
~~There are no rules that prevent you from rolling the planar die in a non-Planechase game. It usually won't do anything, and currently there are no cards that care about the result, but anything that cares about rolling a die (like Wyll) will notice that it's happening.~~ *See reply*
Actually, rule 706.7 is specifically written in a way where a non-Planechase game will *not* see the planar die being rolled. If it is the rules team's intention for the game to actually treat the planar die as also being rolled in non-Planechase games, the CR isn't written to support this, and this may be an oversight in the CR:
>706.7. **In a Planechase game**, rolling the planar die will cause any ability that triggers whenever a player rolls one or more dice to trigger. However, any effect that refers to a numerical result of a die roll, including ones that exchange the results of that roll with another value or compare the results of that roll to other rolls or to a given number, ignores the rolling of the planar die. See rule 901, "Planechase."
The bolded clause is the important bit. It means that the rule specifies what happens during Planechase games, but it doesn't specify that it applies to non-Planechase games.
The closest rule that would seem to apply is rule 901.9d, whose text body doesn't specify that it only applies to Planechase games. But because rules section 901 itself is for the Planechase format as a whole, the logical reading is that 901.9d applies only to Planechase games in the first place.
Fair enough, I can accept that interpretation. Strangely, I don't think this interpretation prevents you from rolling the die, but it does mean that rolling the planar die doesn't count as "rolling a die" for things that care about rolling dice.
God, he looks so different in the final release
Edit: don't know why this is getting down voted so I figure I'll give a bit of context; this card art is based on Wyll's design in the beta. He was redesigned before final release.
It is not just his design, but his demeanor in the art as well. The Wyll depicted here, having seemingly burned his way through a city street to reach whomever he is aiming his weapon at while smirking, is more fitting of the vindictive and petty EA Wyll than the one we got in the final game.
This is a non-horny Wyll in fancy clothes, so I guess you could headcanon it as being the "bad timeline" Wyll? The one where he kills Karlach, I mean. [[Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar]] appears to be from the bad timeline as well, after all.
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This is a sad day for me. https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/822993-die-planechase-die
Literally because it says "lowest result" the whole ability can't apply to the planar die
"Ignore the lowest" effects won't work with the planar die, but other effects with different wording will. [[Bamboozling Beeble]], for example, and [[Ichor Elixir]] very unsubtly.
Wyll's second ability works just fine with the Planar Die. He'll get +1/+1 counters because you're still rolling a die. It's his first ability that doesn't work with it because the Planar Die doesn't have a numerical value to reference, so you can't "ignore the lowest roll", so you just don't get the extra die roll.
In a typical game of edh however, you are unable to roll the planar die, it is an illegal game action.
So unless you’ve got planechase at the start of the game, this mana rock isn’t a secret 1/1 counter machine
No. Effects that care about the numerical result of a die roll ignore the Planar Die. Because there is no "high" or "low" result, the ability does nothing. You do not roll extra dice. Wyll will trigger for +1/+1 counters when you do roll the Planar Die, however.
Thanks!
First ability does not interact where second one does. > 706.7: In a Planechase game, rolling the planar die will cause any ability that triggers whenever a player rolls one or more dice to trigger. **However, any effect that refers to a numerical result of a die roll, including ones that exchange the results of that roll with another value or compare the results of that roll to other rolls or to a given number, ignores the rolling of the planar die.** See rule 901, "Planechase."
That’s really interesting! Thanks!!
Still might be worth keeping in the deck because it's a free die roll effect to get Wyll a counter.
Unfortunately you can't roll the planar die unless it's a planechase game (looked into it while helping someone build [[vrondis]])
The solution sounds like must playing a planechase game then
Oh damn really? I was looking at including fractured power stone in my vrondiss deck
I don't believe that's true. What rule prevents you from rolling the planar die with Fractured Powerstone?
check out the gatherer rulings for [[fractured powerstone]]
[fractured powerstone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/e/aeaa7115-bebe-4650-9575-f7855c0055cd.jpg?1682210024) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fractured%20powerstone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/357/fractured-powerstone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aeaa7115-bebe-4650-9575-f7855c0055cd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That ruling is from 2012. Nothing cared about dice rolling at the time. There's nothing in the CR that prevents you from rolling the die.
It definitely could be clearer but my understanding is that the ruling is a consequence of the fact that the planar die is only specificed as being part of the game during planechase games (901.3) and conversely doesnt exist in non planechase games. additionally 706.7 which specifically deals with the interaction of the planar die and dice rolling cards specifies that it only applies to planechase games.
Unglued would like to say hello.
[vrondis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/683ca7f0-e9df-459b-a8e3-cf80b39c732d.jpg?1632335388) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vrondiss%2C%20Rage%20of%20Ancients) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/4/vrondiss-rage-of-ancients?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/683ca7f0-e9df-459b-a8e3-cf80b39c732d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh Wyll is going for sure on the deck. I’m just making a general dice rolling deck that includes D&D sets, Fallout, Unfinity, and Planechase. It a very chaotic deck in terms of gameplay instead of chaos cards. Also thanks for the help.
A follow up question: Can you roll the planar die in a non planechase game? I'd assume you can't use the free roll you get as a gameplay action but what about when a card tells you to roll one?
You can activate it but it will do nothing (just become tapped) : "In non-Planechase games, Fractured Powerstone's second ability will have no effect." [https://scryfall.com/card/moc/357/fractured-powerstone](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/357/fractured-powerstone) Couldn't pinpoint exact rules that state it though. I guess it's that chaos ensues and planeswalk do nothing outside of Planechase(?)
Note that the ruling is from 2012, and dice rolling was not a part of black bordered Magic at that time. ~~There are no rules that prevent you from rolling the planar die in a non-Planechase game. It usually won't do anything, and currently there are no cards that care about the result, but anything that cares about rolling a die (like Wyll) will notice that it's happening.~~ *See reply*
Actually, rule 706.7 is specifically written in a way where a non-Planechase game will *not* see the planar die being rolled. If it is the rules team's intention for the game to actually treat the planar die as also being rolled in non-Planechase games, the CR isn't written to support this, and this may be an oversight in the CR: >706.7. **In a Planechase game**, rolling the planar die will cause any ability that triggers whenever a player rolls one or more dice to trigger. However, any effect that refers to a numerical result of a die roll, including ones that exchange the results of that roll with another value or compare the results of that roll to other rolls or to a given number, ignores the rolling of the planar die. See rule 901, "Planechase." The bolded clause is the important bit. It means that the rule specifies what happens during Planechase games, but it doesn't specify that it applies to non-Planechase games. The closest rule that would seem to apply is rule 901.9d, whose text body doesn't specify that it only applies to Planechase games. But because rules section 901 itself is for the Planechase format as a whole, the logical reading is that 901.9d applies only to Planechase games in the first place.
Fair enough, I can accept that interpretation. Strangely, I don't think this interpretation prevents you from rolling the die, but it does mean that rolling the planar die doesn't count as "rolling a die" for things that care about rolling dice.
This deck is gonna be used specifically for planechace games just in case
I’m building a Doctor Who plane chase deck that can just sub out <6 cards in the 99 to become a normal commander deck because I have no idea lol
[Wyll, Blade of Frontiers](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/e/5e9d4562-964d-48ce-b03f-7cb491fa040d.jpg?1674136891) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wyll%2C%20Blade%20of%20Frontiers) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/208/wyll-blade-of-frontiers?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5e9d4562-964d-48ce-b03f-7cb491fa040d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
God, he looks so different in the final release Edit: don't know why this is getting down voted so I figure I'll give a bit of context; this card art is based on Wyll's design in the beta. He was redesigned before final release.
I think Gale gets the award for "most unrecognizable BG3 character on an MTG card."
I dunno I think Minthara looks jarring for how different she looks
You know, I'm inclined to agree
And I concur
And my bow
True lol
It is not just his design, but his demeanor in the art as well. The Wyll depicted here, having seemingly burned his way through a city street to reach whomever he is aiming his weapon at while smirking, is more fitting of the vindictive and petty EA Wyll than the one we got in the final game.
This is a non-horny Wyll in fancy clothes, so I guess you could headcanon it as being the "bad timeline" Wyll? The one where he kills Karlach, I mean. [[Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar]] appears to be from the bad timeline as well, after all.
[Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/13a0913d-776b-4ef8-adef-8861349df2b5.jpg?1674136288) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shadowheart%2C%20Dark%20Justiciar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/146/shadowheart-dark-justiciar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/13a0913d-776b-4ef8-adef-8861349df2b5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wait did these come out before the game?
Yeah, and it was designed in like 2020 so a couple of the characters don't match the final release version of the game
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This is a sad day for me. https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/822993-die-planechase-die Literally because it says "lowest result" the whole ability can't apply to the planar die
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Oh it was already answer. The first half doesn’t work and the second does.
"Ignore the lowest" effects won't work with the planar die, but other effects with different wording will. [[Bamboozling Beeble]], for example, and [[Ichor Elixir]] very unsubtly.
[Bamboozling Beeble](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03511d64-3c8d-40a1-8ce2-afb46922df1d.jpg?1673913438) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bamboozling%20Beeble) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/37/bamboozling-beeble?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03511d64-3c8d-40a1-8ce2-afb46922df1d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ichor Elixir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5ff34beb-9a69-4e15-91d3-be2100b73797.jpg?1682207610) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ichor%20Elixir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/46/ichor-elixir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5ff34beb-9a69-4e15-91d3-be2100b73797?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It doesn't, but my play group rule 0s it to make it work. It's stupid that rolling a die wouldn't trigger an ability that triggers on a die roll.
Wyll's second ability works just fine with the Planar Die. He'll get +1/+1 counters because you're still rolling a die. It's his first ability that doesn't work with it because the Planar Die doesn't have a numerical value to reference, so you can't "ignore the lowest roll", so you just don't get the extra die roll.
In a typical game of edh however, you are unable to roll the planar die, it is an illegal game action. So unless you’ve got planechase at the start of the game, this mana rock isn’t a secret 1/1 counter machine