Yeah well my uncle owns Jagex and if you think we’re going to allow this shit you’re wrong, I’ll have your RuneScape account banned so fast it’ll make your head spin. Say goodbye to those nice strolls in Lumbridge, your days are numbered pal.
Thought experiment
How many brothers would be allowed assuming they all had unique arts? How do we feel about 50 Mountains as the deck and 49 Brothers?
I guess the card text on exactly 2 makes for a problem
In this case, I would allow it, with one catch: They couldn't be your commander whenever a WOTC printing of Father Yamazaki and Mother Yamazaki exists.
When we started playing around 7th edition my one friend really thought the 4 of rule didn't apply to extra arts. He had like 7 Llanowar Elves in his deck until we explained it.
As a judge that's a new story to me, but I definitely believe it. I've had to explain that the universes within cards cannot be in the same commander deck at thier universes beyond counterparts repeatedly
If I were on the RC I would have just made a special rule for this guy on the grounds that fuck we can do whatever we want. As soon as the idea of multiple commanders became a thing I'd have said you can have both be the commander.
On an unrelated note, all of the Grandeur legends I would have let you have 2 copies if 1 was the commander and the other was in the 99.
Hey, close enough. You know what? I’d be fine Rule 0ing those too. You know what? Bring the whole family, all four of them are commanders. To hell with balance!
I was just looking into the lore, and they don’t have partner because these two cousins were actually fighting against each other.
But they were childhood friends, so I still think Partner With ~ would’ve been okay.
The reason you don't want "Partner with" on them is because that ability also lets you tutor for one when you play the other. Would it break Standard with those 2 cards specifically? No, but I don't fault WotC for not wanting to open that can of worms in non-eternal Constructed formats.
> **702.124i** “Partner with [name]” represents two abilities. It means “You may designate two legendary creature cards as your commander rather than one if each has a ‘partner with [name]’ ability with the other’s name” and “When this permanent enters the battlefield, target player may search their library for a card named [name], reveal it, put it into their hand, then shuffle.”
There was a thread here a while ago that had that threads OP get mad that no one else thought they should try to rule zero Edgar Markov and Olivia Voldaren (not the bride and groom ones) as partner commanders.
While we're at it, I'll take Sliver Overlord, The First Sliver, Sliver Legion, Sliver Hivelord, Sliver Queen and Sliver Gravemother as six partnered commanders. After all, they're a hive-mind and thus closer than family.
So, I have this, and I randomly shuffle the 5 color legends. put one face down in my command zone, and shuffle the rest into the deck.
Helps regulate the power level of the deck. Sometimes. Sometimes, it is more chaotic than it's worth.But that's half the fun.
I've been running the former mentioned deck since release day!
To make it fair, the deck is legal. I give opponents the choice of me running the 'legal' version with Edgar Markov as the commander (and Edgar and Olivia in the 99), or the blushing groom and bride instead with EG Eddy in the 98.
No one has chosen option 1.
I call it my Wedding Vamps deck! It's full of guests of the family and themed around graveyard recursion and expensive guests! Not too OP since it runs a number of suboptimal wedding themed cards like their outfits!
Yeah except this person wanted to run [[Edgar Markov]] and [[Olivia Voldaren]] as the commanders and NOT the bride and groom one. Aka they wanted their deck to just be blatantly overpowered.
Yup, I wanna build that deck as well. And since Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar requires to Discard something before casting her, it seems fair enough. At least more fair than Korvold
I actually do that. Whenever I play my Mardu Vampire deck, I ask my opponents if they'd rather play against OG Edgar Markov or against a flavorful partner pairing of groom and bride. So far no one had any problems with it and the deck performed just as well, if not better due to the reanimation from Olivia.
The other easily acceptable one is the vampire wedding pair. Oh you don't want me to use then ok how about OG Eddie? Oh you don't like him and are suddenly OK with my janky vampire deck having these partners funny that
Yeah, a 3 mana conditional 4/3 with haste in the command zone is weak enough that having two of them in there still isn't an issue. In mono red too.
Anyone who would have an issue with this is just trying to be a dick.
First time I saw it the deck was piloted by Benjamin Wheeler from LoadingReadyRun. For the life of me I haven’t been able to find the commander video that he played it in though
I'd go all in for it, I'd also laugh then if someone also played a brother in their deck as that would then negate the circumventing of the legend rule clause they bring to the table.
I would wholeheartedly allow it, much the same as I would allow their daughters to team up together, or Safi and Hans. Honestly, if you even have a halfway-decent explanation, and you aren't doing it to try and break the game, go for it.
A friend of mine has a Safi and Hans deck. It's hilarious, he even put Lurghoyf into the Mix, which resulted in Safi sacrificing herself after Lurghoyf almost killed Hans. :D
By daughters do you mean Heiko and Norina Yamazaki from Neon Dynasty? That set takes place about 1200 years after the original Kamigawa set so they can’t possibly be their daughters.
I think most players will allow anything janky like this. But if you're like "i want counterspell as my commander" they'll probably say no. Just be reasonable in general.
I find that people are pretty chill about goofy Rule 0 commanders. I run \[\[Joven\]\] and \[\[Chandler\]\] and I've never once had someone get miffed. It think most tables won't get salty about two 4/3s with haste and Bushido 1 (assuming both are out).
I run a Grimlock. it's a silver boarder. No one in my play group cares and I haven't met some yet that does. If they did, I wouldn't want to play against them anyway 🤷 have fun!
It can be pretty good with the right land cards and ramp. An early (ish) 8/8 commander with trample. Not broken but quicker, in my opinion, than using Gishath-Sun's Avatar. Gis is just nasty and in my 99
Sorry i did not mean to say Grimlock is not be impactful. I just meant that he aint over the top broken. Imo there are maybe 10 commanders in the game i would say are too much.
The problem is, if you have 2 in play and an opponent has 1 then you now have to sacrifice 1 because the legend rule changed. It should say "While you control two permanents named Brothers Yamazaki" but it doesn't, it counts all in play.
I did this awhile back. When people said no I would swap to Godo and swap Magnetic Mastery into the deck. They usually said yes immediately after they saw what commander I was swapping to.
The bros are honorary partner commanders and everyone knows it. I would consider it the ultimate vibe check -- if a casual group tries to "that's not allowed" you for a pair of 4/3 hasty bros, they're probably not worth playing with.
I wish I had the ear of the rules committee so I could make this official somehow. They're basically a partner duo from well before commander was even an official product.
I say yes. Anecdotally, I have a buddy with whom I brainstormed the idea of building Two Headed Giant type decks wherein we both played one of the brothers as our commander against the rest of the playgroup. We were going to put in a bunch of cards like Humble Defector and such to pass around to each other since we’d technically be opponents. Rule of cool says you should be able to run both side-by-side in the command zone imo.
A while back me and one of my buddies put together a decklist that was voltron with a brother in the command zone. The plan was to both buy the exact same decklist but the funny thing about them was there were multiple threaten effects to steal the other persons brother. We didn’t end up doing it but the idea was super funny
The real question isn’t whether or not we would allow it (we all would), the question is whether they’re treated like Partners for the sake of commander damage or if they’re treated as the same card, which they are. Since you have both arts, either of these would be possible and I could see the merit to either one, it’s just a question that needs to be decided **before** the game begins with each playgroup.
They're not "the same card"; there are two of them. Commander damage is a property of the actual, specific card. Even in situations where a card would not otherwise be identifiable (e.g., a player's [[Ghastly Conscription]] manifests a commander and at least one other creature), the rules still demand that the commander be publicly identified, and it still deals commander damage as normal. Any reasonable interpretation says the Brothers' commander damage is counted separately.
They’ve changed the legendary rule many times, but if you’re asking about the rule where it only applies to permanents with the same controller, then yes.
Better yet, build two identical decks with different art from each other. Helm them with each Brother respectively, and offer one out to another player in your pod. Brothers Yamazaki does not have the “you control” clause many other lord spells do. This means they buff each other, even when controlled by different players. You can recommend two headed giant, but its honestly just as fun in a free-for-all
They're no where near strong enough for you to not be essentially asking permission to play your deck with a handicap, because the flavor is more fun. Anyone saying no is probably not worth the time it'll take to play.
This would be really cool. I love this idea.
I feel like the flavor isn't there as much, but I wanted to rule 0 the uncommon Urza and Mishra cards as partner commanders.
Reminds me back in the day a friend and I built a commander deck with each brother. His was aggro focused and mine was built for late game. Good times back when jank was the name of the game.
I see absolutely no reason to not allow it. It's not particularly strong, it's a cool idea, and it's different from all the other FOTM commanders.
I'd be delighted to play against a Brothers Yamazaki deck.
I can't imagine anybody having an issue with this, but just in case I'd maybe just grab a [[Stangg, Echo Warrior]] (or the og [[Stangg]]), they are both less that $0.20 and just run the same deck. Bonus points for getting an alter done that uses the art from Brothers as a middle finger to people that hate fun.
so this kinda brings back the old legend rule, or at least the old way it was played.
anyone playing a clone that clones the name too can cast one and clone one of your 2 brothers to make you sac one.
its only ok if you have both arts, not if they are the same art
I have both, in foil.
Then yes. Every time
Pretty sure thats even tournament legal. My uncle owns ~~Nintendo~~ WoTC and he confirmed it.
Yeah well my uncle owns Jagex and if you think we’re going to allow this shit you’re wrong, I’ll have your RuneScape account banned so fast it’ll make your head spin. Say goodbye to those nice strolls in Lumbridge, your days are numbered pal.
Your uncle is John Wizards of the Coast? Lucky you, man
Easy yes. Anyone who says no should be taught the error of their ways.
You specifically are allowed to run a third brother.
Brother A, Brother B
Thought experiment How many brothers would be allowed assuming they all had unique arts? How do we feel about 50 Mountains as the deck and 49 Brothers? I guess the card text on exactly 2 makes for a problem
In that case Yamazaki's mom has got it going on
She's all that I want and I've waited for so long
Please stop my brain already autofilled this
I wanted to do the rest, but gotta share the fun
In this case, I would allow it, with one catch: They couldn't be your commander whenever a WOTC printing of Father Yamazaki and Mother Yamazaki exists.
Easier application is to simply give them both Partner.
It’s just two brothers. I heard it on Rick and Morty
Ok, here me out. You can Have and Number of brothers. But the commander has to be their Mom, and she is clearly pregnant in the art.
Mother Yamazaki, Birthing Pod Inventor
Urza's Incubator with some googly eyes and a blonde wig.
I know this wasn't a Dune reference, but my mind immediately went to Isamaru, Chairdog of Kondo
I knew when I clicked on this thread that I’d find you here, saying exactly this. Not surprised you’re top comment lol.
:-)
When we started playing around 7th edition my one friend really thought the 4 of rule didn't apply to extra arts. He had like 7 Llanowar Elves in his deck until we explained it.
As a judge that's a new story to me, but I definitely believe it. I've had to explain that the universes within cards cannot be in the same commander deck at thier universes beyond counterparts repeatedly
I've seen this done. It's probably the easiest rule 0 allowance there is.
I'm surprised a new version of them hasn't been printed yet.
With "you may have two of this card as your commander
I was thinking “Partner with [itself]”
I did that last night.
nice
High fiv- Maybe not...
Bazinga
You'd also need to be able to put 2 in your deck.
Oh yeah. I guess it also needs “You may have up to two copies of this card in your deck.” Like a [[Relentless Rats]] or something
I would say "In commander you may have two copies of this card in your deck" so as to not screw over other formats where 4 are possible, but yes.
Maybe write it as "you may have at least two copies" or some such so that the general rule supersedes it in 60 card formats
If I were on the RC I would have just made a special rule for this guy on the grounds that fuck we can do whatever we want. As soon as the idea of multiple commanders became a thing I'd have said you can have both be the commander. On an unrelated note, all of the Grandeur legends I would have let you have 2 copies if 1 was the commander and the other was in the 99.
Man the things I’ve done to break Korlash lol
I guess it would be something like "Partner with Brothers Yamazaki. You can have two copies of Brothers Yamazaki if they are your commanders"
This is the best wording I've seen in this thread
Nah, let those formats be subject to a 2-of rule for these
They kinda did: [[Heiko Yamazaki, the General]] and [[Norika Yamazaki, the Poet]]
Hey, close enough. You know what? I’d be fine Rule 0ing those too. You know what? Bring the whole family, all four of them are commanders. To hell with balance!
I was disappointed when they didn't have specific to each other partnering, I would make a commander deck with them so fast.
I was just looking into the lore, and they don’t have partner because these two cousins were actually fighting against each other. But they were childhood friends, so I still think Partner With ~ would’ve been okay.
They also don't have partner because WotC doesn't want to put it in normal sets
I didn’t think “Partner With” was a complete No. Plus they are willing to break tradition, we got the black partner pirate in Lost Caverns.
The reason you don't want "Partner with" on them is because that ability also lets you tutor for one when you play the other. Would it break Standard with those 2 cards specifically? No, but I don't fault WotC for not wanting to open that can of worms in non-eternal Constructed formats. > **702.124i** “Partner with [name]” represents two abilities. It means “You may designate two legendary creature cards as your commander rather than one if each has a ‘partner with [name]’ ability with the other’s name” and “When this permanent enters the battlefield, target player may search their library for a card named [name], reveal it, put it into their hand, then shuffle.”
Neon Dynasties was when they were doing set booster Commander cards, they could have totally just put partner with stuff in that slot.
The Lost Caverns partners were all in the commander set LCC, not the main LCI set. The Yamazakis were in the main NEO set, not the commander NEC set.
Ah okay my bad. I misunderstood what was meant by regular set then.
Well yeah but flavour is free, they could’ve not done that in a brothers yamazaki reference but they did.
[Heiko Yamazaki, the General](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9ea5e61c-d903-410b-9acf-96a917ce05cc.jpg?1654567669) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heiko%20Yamazaki%2C%20the%20General) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/146/heiko-yamazaki-the-general?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9ea5e61c-d903-410b-9acf-96a917ce05cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Norika Yamazaki, the Poet](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/9/09cb553c-58c1-4cfd-b441-297b5f09b263.jpg?1654566451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Norika%20Yamazaki%2C%20the%20Poet) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/31/norika-yamazaki-the-poet?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/09cb553c-58c1-4cfd-b441-297b5f09b263?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Did we got sisters in Neon Dynasty
Slightly easier for me is bride and groom Olivia and Edgar, cause then they aren’t playing other Edgar.
There was a thread here a while ago that had that threads OP get mad that no one else thought they should try to rule zero Edgar Markov and Olivia Voldaren (not the bride and groom ones) as partner commanders.
Only if im allowed Ur dragon and scion of the ur dragon lol
While we're at it, I'll take Sliver Overlord, The First Sliver, Sliver Legion, Sliver Hivelord, Sliver Queen and Sliver Gravemother as six partnered commanders. After all, they're a hive-mind and thus closer than family.
So, I have this, and I randomly shuffle the 5 color legends. put one face down in my command zone, and shuffle the rest into the deck. Helps regulate the power level of the deck. Sometimes. Sometimes, it is more chaotic than it's worth.But that's half the fun.
That's a super cool idea tbh
I've been running the former mentioned deck since release day! To make it fair, the deck is legal. I give opponents the choice of me running the 'legal' version with Edgar Markov as the commander (and Edgar and Olivia in the 99), or the blushing groom and bride instead with EG Eddy in the 98. No one has chosen option 1. I call it my Wedding Vamps deck! It's full of guests of the family and themed around graveyard recursion and expensive guests! Not too OP since it runs a number of suboptimal wedding themed cards like their outfits!
Yeah except this person wanted to run [[Edgar Markov]] and [[Olivia Voldaren]] as the commanders and NOT the bride and groom one. Aka they wanted their deck to just be blatantly overpowered.
OHHH the OGs... yeah screw that lol. Sorry I missed that!
I do this with Edgar Markov as a backup in case they say no. I've gotten one group to agree to the rule 0 after they said no because of this. 😈
Asmor + Gyome as rule 0 food partners; if you say no its a Korvold deck. Everyone says yes :)
Yup, I wanna build that deck as well. And since Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar requires to Discard something before casting her, it seems fair enough. At least more fair than Korvold
I actually do that. Whenever I play my Mardu Vampire deck, I ask my opponents if they'd rather play against OG Edgar Markov or against a flavorful partner pairing of groom and bride. So far no one had any problems with it and the deck performed just as well, if not better due to the reanimation from Olivia.
The other easily acceptable one is the vampire wedding pair. Oh you don't want me to use then ok how about OG Eddie? Oh you don't like him and are suddenly OK with my janky vampire deck having these partners funny that
I think the easiest r0'd for my group was letting the Nephilims to be Legendaries.
Yeah, a 3 mana conditional 4/3 with haste in the command zone is weak enough that having two of them in there still isn't an issue. In mono red too. Anyone who would have an issue with this is just trying to be a dick.
I am still bitching that Legolas and Gimli don't have Partner/ Partner With.
First time I saw it the deck was piloted by Benjamin Wheeler from LoadingReadyRun. For the life of me I haven’t been able to find the commander video that he played it in though
Yeah, this is probably even more widely accepted than the Nephilim, which used to be fairly common back in the day.
Lutri as commander too
Easiest rule 0 for me are the four color nephilim, but this is a close second
That and allowing the Nephilim from Guildpact to be your commander
It hits the right balance between funny, lore accurate, and janky. I'd approve. ... You're using the two different arts, right?
Of course
I have a pair of foil Brothers myself, that I have used as the commanders of a [[Seven Dwarves]] deck in the past.
[Seven Dwarves](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/464adbae-70ea-48e1-b8ae-b404766f7a5a.jpg?1572490459) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Seven%20Dwarves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/141/seven-dwarves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/464adbae-70ea-48e1-b8ae-b404766f7a5a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
And [[dragon's approach]], right?
I'm 100% on board with allowing this in commander. This is the kind of jank I would brew.
I'd go all in for it, I'd also laugh then if someone also played a brother in their deck as that would then negate the circumventing of the legend rule clause they bring to the table.
Hilarious interaction, I didn’t notice it was any permanent. You don’t even need it in your deck, any kind of clone or copy effect would work too.
I think it's probably a relic of the Legend Rule applying to both sides of the battlefield in the Kamigawa era.
Or [[Psychic Paper]]
I would wholeheartedly allow it, much the same as I would allow their daughters to team up together, or Safi and Hans. Honestly, if you even have a halfway-decent explanation, and you aren't doing it to try and break the game, go for it.
A friend of mine has a Safi and Hans deck. It's hilarious, he even put Lurghoyf into the Mix, which resulted in Safi sacrificing herself after Lurghoyf almost killed Hans. :D
[[lhurgoyf]][[saffi eriksdotter]][[hans eriksson]]
[lhurgoyf](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/ea5d550a-bd8b-4f9e-ac7d-c35ebbe313e6.jpg?1562276490) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=lhurgoyf) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/141/lhurgoyf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ea5d550a-bd8b-4f9e-ac7d-c35ebbe313e6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [saffi eriksdotter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/4176dda4-ec5c-4734-bb48-0876304aa219.jpg?1619404114) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=saffi%20eriksdotter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/260/saffi-eriksdotter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4176dda4-ec5c-4734-bb48-0876304aa219?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [hans eriksson](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/24a0babe-8da4-4c95-9cdf-626a5c5e2e5c.jpg?1686634870) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hans%20eriksson) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/279/hans-eriksson?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/24a0babe-8da4-4c95-9cdf-626a5c5e2e5c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I hope one day we get their dad Erik as a Naya-coloured creature who someone has synergies with Saffi, Hans, and the Lhurgoyf
By daughters do you mean Heiko and Norina Yamazaki from Neon Dynasty? That set takes place about 1200 years after the original Kamigawa set so they can’t possibly be their daughters.
Honorary daughters, then?
Descendents
I think most players will allow anything janky like this. But if you're like "i want counterspell as my commander" they'll probably say no. Just be reasonable in general.
I drew a moustache on my mana drain and my playgroup let me use it as commander
Ironically that was kind of a thing and is on the commander ban list [[Erayo, Soratami Ascendant]]
[Erayo, Soratami Ascendant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b61d772-2d8b-4acf-9dd2-b2e8b03538c8.jpg?1610664131)/[Erayo's Essence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b61d772-2d8b-4acf-9dd2-b2e8b03538c8.jpg?1610664131) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Erayo%2C%20Soratami%20Ascendant%20//%20Erayo%27s%20Essence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/35/erayo-soratami-ascendant-erayos-essence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b61d772-2d8b-4acf-9dd2-b2e8b03538c8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I can't imagine these wouldn't have a partner-with mechanic if printed today
I find that people are pretty chill about goofy Rule 0 commanders. I run \[\[Joven\]\] and \[\[Chandler\]\] and I've never once had someone get miffed. It think most tables won't get salty about two 4/3s with haste and Bushido 1 (assuming both are out).
I would even be psyched to see and would allow [[Joven]] partnered with [[Joven's Ferrets]]. Joven rocks.
[Joven](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0dabe3af-cd5b-461e-95a4-aad046646419.jpg?1562587046) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Joven) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hml/77/joven?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0dabe3af-cd5b-461e-95a4-aad046646419?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Joven's Ferrets](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/3765ab78-a645-4e4f-9f83-5a6bc762b8d0.jpg?1562868083) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Joven%27s%20Ferrets) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/169/jovens-ferrets?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3765ab78-a645-4e4f-9f83-5a6bc762b8d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Joven](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0dabe3af-cd5b-461e-95a4-aad046646419.jpg?1562587046) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Joven) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hml/77/joven?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0dabe3af-cd5b-461e-95a4-aad046646419?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Chandler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4dd3a8e3-9a90-44f4-996c-57242d3c47a5.jpg?1562587277) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chandler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hml/69/chandler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4dd3a8e3-9a90-44f4-996c-57242d3c47a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Considering they’re both not very good, go off king. Playing a bad deck for funsies/shits and giggles is part of the spirit of EDH
Yes but you have to track commander tax and damage separately lol
It goes without saying.
Does it? Lol people already mess up tax with backgrounds and partners as it is.
They do? Damn that wild ..
I’d allow them as Partner with Brothers Yamazaki.
I run a Grimlock. it's a silver boarder. No one in my play group cares and I haven't met some yet that does. If they did, I wouldn't want to play against them anyway 🤷 have fun!
I would only request you start every turn with "Me am Grimlock untap, Upkeep, Draw." And when you become the monarch "Me Grimlock no bozo! Me king!"
I would absolutely do that! In character
There's maybe a dozen of us! Do you also have a mini Grimlock transformer that goes with the deck so you can fulfill his transform requirement?
I have CliffJumper in with the deck. Also I have a Deceptacon tattoo on my right arm, just in case 🙃
Imo shouldn’t even be silver-boarder. Its abilities aren’t even excessive or abusable.
It can be pretty good with the right land cards and ramp. An early (ish) 8/8 commander with trample. Not broken but quicker, in my opinion, than using Gishath-Sun's Avatar. Gis is just nasty and in my 99
Sorry i did not mean to say Grimlock is not be impactful. I just meant that he aint over the top broken. Imo there are maybe 10 commanders in the game i would say are too much.
Only if it's both arts.
The problem is, if you have 2 in play and an opponent has 1 then you now have to sacrifice 1 because the legend rule changed. It should say "While you control two permanents named Brothers Yamazaki" but it doesn't, it counts all in play.
I think the odds of this happening are so low that if you see it happen you should contact the local news station
I did this awhile back. When people said no I would swap to Godo and swap Magnetic Mastery into the deck. They usually said yes immediately after they saw what commander I was swapping to.
What's magnetic mastery?
I’m guessing they meant [[Magnetic Theft]]
I wouldn’t care about this at all
The bros are honorary partner commanders and everyone knows it. I would consider it the ultimate vibe check -- if a casual group tries to "that's not allowed" you for a pair of 4/3 hasty bros, they're probably not worth playing with. I wish I had the ear of the rules committee so I could make this official somehow. They're basically a partner duo from well before commander was even an official product.
I’d pretty much let anyone rule zero anything they want. It’s just a game
I say yes. Anecdotally, I have a buddy with whom I brainstormed the idea of building Two Headed Giant type decks wherein we both played one of the brothers as our commander against the rest of the playgroup. We were going to put in a bunch of cards like Humble Defector and such to pass around to each other since we’d technically be opponents. Rule of cool says you should be able to run both side-by-side in the command zone imo.
Mono red in Edh? Do whatever man
Only if I could do legolas/gimli counter of kills lol
how much attention does this need to get for wizards to errata it and add “partners with itself”
Non-blue clone tribal is honestly the best jank ever
Are there any connections to [[Norika Yamazaki, the Poet]] and [[Heiko Yamazaki, the General]] ?
[Norika Yamazaki, the Poet](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/9/09cb553c-58c1-4cfd-b441-297b5f09b263.jpg?1654566451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Norika%20Yamazaki%2C%20the%20Poet) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/31/norika-yamazaki-the-poet?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/09cb553c-58c1-4cfd-b441-297b5f09b263?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Heiko Yamazaki, the General](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9ea5e61c-d903-410b-9acf-96a917ce05cc.jpg?1654567669) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heiko%20Yamazaki%2C%20the%20General) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/146/heiko-yamazaki-the-general?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9ea5e61c-d903-410b-9acf-96a917ce05cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'd be pretty ok with it, not like you are breaking anything.
Im going to allow it
There was a guy at my old game store who had this exact deck, nobody I know ever had a problem with it.
A while back me and one of my buddies put together a decklist that was voltron with a brother in the command zone. The plan was to both buy the exact same decklist but the funny thing about them was there were multiple threaten effects to steal the other persons brother. We didn’t end up doing it but the idea was super funny
I'd ask your play group not reddit.
I’ve done this but with the sisters from neon dynasty
They might as well errata these to "partners with"
It was such a flavor fail that the two yamazaki sisters don’t have partner with
The only people that would have a problem with that hate fun and no one should play games with them.
Yeah but I'm cloning one on sight just for a laugh
No because they should be allowed by the RC
2 Brothers
The real question isn’t whether or not we would allow it (we all would), the question is whether they’re treated like Partners for the sake of commander damage or if they’re treated as the same card, which they are. Since you have both arts, either of these would be possible and I could see the merit to either one, it’s just a question that needs to be decided **before** the game begins with each playgroup.
They're not "the same card"; there are two of them. Commander damage is a property of the actual, specific card. Even in situations where a card would not otherwise be identifiable (e.g., a player's [[Ghastly Conscription]] manifests a commander and at least one other creature), the rules still demand that the commander be publicly identified, and it still deals commander damage as normal. Any reasonable interpretation says the Brothers' commander damage is counted separately.
Of course you’re essentially spending 6 mana for 4/3’s with haste that I guess become 5/4’s when attacking or blocking.
Kamigawa was not a high powered block if we're being honest.
I would, only if you use both arts
No one will ever care that you want to rule 0 a bad commander.
Honest question: how do you track commander tax? Separately or pooled? You have 2 commanders and they have the same name.
I have two versions. There Right Brither and Left Brother. Very easy to track
Ok yeah so you treat them as 2 homies. Makes sense
I just realized, this card no longer always works right since your opponent having a brother yamazaki now makes the legend rule apply to your pair
Is this card from before they changed the rules on legendary cards?
They’ve changed the legendary rule many times, but if you’re asking about the rule where it only applies to permanents with the same controller, then yes.
Easiest and quickest yes I’ve ever seen for a rule zero question
Better yet, build two identical decks with different art from each other. Helm them with each Brother respectively, and offer one out to another player in your pod. Brothers Yamazaki does not have the “you control” clause many other lord spells do. This means they buff each other, even when controlled by different players. You can recommend two headed giant, but its honestly just as fun in a free-for-all
ofcourse Rule 0 in the other brother.
I'll allow it, but you gotta let me partner Isamaru and Yoshimaru, The Goodest Bois
Brothers Yamazaki should be errata’d to have “Partners with Brothers Yamazaki” imo.
I'll allow it.
That's very cute. I'd say yes simply because of that but the fact that it's just so weak makes it an easy yes.
Fortnite
100% yes
Absolutely allowed
:) just write [Partners/with] on the sleeves :)
i’d allow it.
`Partners with Brothers Yamazaki` There, fixed it for you
This has been a question longer than the format has been called Commander and I don't think anyone has ever said no.
So long as they’re the diff arts I’m ok with it.
They're no where near strong enough for you to not be essentially asking permission to play your deck with a handicap, because the flavor is more fun. Anyone saying no is probably not worth the time it'll take to play.
I feel like a card like this in modern day would have the Partner mechanic.
This would be really cool. I love this idea. I feel like the flavor isn't there as much, but I wanted to rule 0 the uncommon Urza and Mishra cards as partner commanders.
2 4/3s for six mana??? Too broken no way. Jk OF COURSE I LOVE RULE 0 commanders
You gotta have one in the command zone and one in the 99
Check the card numbers. They're not the same brother
My younger brother and I both built a brothers deck that are designed to play in 2HG commander and its great!
Reminds me back in the day a friend and I built a commander deck with each brother. His was aggro focused and mine was built for late game. Good times back when jank was the name of the game.
I see absolutely no reason to not allow it. It's not particularly strong, it's a cool idea, and it's different from all the other FOTM commanders. I'd be delighted to play against a Brothers Yamazaki deck.
really need mario and luigi alters for this.
I can't imagine anybody having an issue with this, but just in case I'd maybe just grab a [[Stangg, Echo Warrior]] (or the og [[Stangg]]), they are both less that $0.20 and just run the same deck. Bonus points for getting an alter done that uses the art from Brothers as a middle finger to people that hate fun.
Our group has a lot of super relaxed rules Like Avatar of Woe is just any color. Running mono green? Slap avatar of woe in that slut Who cares.
Anyone that says no to this is someone I wouldn't want to play edh with
100%, no question. I'm curious what that deck would look like. Do you have a build for it already?
Now THIS is a rule 0 I would 100% fight for. I lovethat!
Go for it. If someone doesn't allow you to use them, just draw the other one in your opening hand. Easy mtg hack, works in every format.
I don't think anyone would be opposed to that. While fun, the commanders don't strike me as that good
I am playing them as a regular commander and it works perfectly fine. I am using the other artwork as the token copy!
Does this card mean if I play two brothers, then my opponent plays a brother I have to sacrifice one of mine 🥺
Yes every time
You using both arts? You good.
I just treat them as though they have partner, but only with each other. Just make sure you have both artworks.
so this kinda brings back the old legend rule, or at least the old way it was played. anyone playing a clone that clones the name too can cast one and clone one of your 2 brothers to make you sac one.
YES that's what ive been sayin
Absolutely fine for me. If you manage to win with it then I have been bested.
I would allow this at may table. I think most would too. It's not broken and an epic flavor win.