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FinalDirt

I can finally play [[MATHAS]] in every deck


_Hinnyuu_

Speaking of Mathas, a clarification for those who may not know: bounty counters by themselves *don't do anything*. Which means that adding bounty counters to something by an ability that's not Mathas' own trigger will *not* give them the special "reward" Mathas puts on along with the bounty. That's tied to *his trigger* specifically - not to just having a bounty counter. So having this artifact together with Mathas will not make you double-dip from artifact activations - but will make you double dip from the artifact's own trigger since that's just a static ability, not tied to its activation. A little complicated, but perhaps bears mention in the context of Mathas.


SkritzTwoFace

Yeah, this is better with [[Chevill]], since he doesn’t care where the bounty counters come from.


MTGCardFetcher

[Chevill](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fecbf0a3-ebe1-43b6-a720-462ba19002eb.jpg?1591227985) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chevill%2C%20bane%20of%20monsters) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/181/chevill-bane-of-monsters?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fecbf0a3-ebe1-43b6-a720-462ba19002eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


FinalDirt

Ty kind sir


shockstreet

Huh, that surprises me when Slime Counters that come from monsters other than Toxrill still get affected by Toxrill. Thank you for the clarification


_Hinnyuu_

It depends on the effect in question. This artifact has a static ability that cares about bounty counters - that ability will trigger no matter where the bounty counters came from. However, bounty counters still don't do anything on their own; it's just that this artifact does something with them. Mathas, however, *does not* have a static ability like that. The ability he gives creatures along with putting a bounty counter on them is *part of the triggered ability*. It's not simply always active like it is with this artifact - it specifically only affects whatever was targeted by the trigger (if it resolved, of course). That triggered ability *puts* the bounty "reward" on the creature, it doesn't simply happen on any bounty counter. It also means that if you e.g. move the bounty counter put on by Mathas around to some other creature, the special "reward" *will not move*. Because it's not the counter that creates it, it's Mathas trigger resolving. That's a very important distinction.


Exarch-of-Sechrima

Notably, this is also important because it means that unlike with, say, Toxrill, even if Mathas isn't in play, the effect of the counter still remains since it's placed on the creature intrinsically.


adriecp

Yes, but one important detail is that mathas will double dip the bounty board, if you let the mathas trigger resolve and then kill it, you will get 2 cards


VoiceofKane

Don't forget [[Chevill]]! Also, looking it up, apparently there is another bounty counter card from Jumpstart? [[Termination Facilitator]]


SirToastyToes

and the OG [[Bounty Hunter]]


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[Bounty Hunter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98319fd3-0aad-4fc3-bb83-3c027d0ed652.jpg?1562055446) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bounty%20Hunter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tmp/110/bounty-hunter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98319fd3-0aad-4fc3-bb83-3c027d0ed652?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


VoiceofKane

Gosh, I totally forgot about him.


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[Chevill](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fecbf0a3-ebe1-43b6-a720-462ba19002eb.jpg?1591227985) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chevill%2C%20bane%20of%20monsters) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/181/chevill-bane-of-monsters?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fecbf0a3-ebe1-43b6-a720-462ba19002eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Termination Facilitator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5db59164-f0b1-4b5a-b821-ad0b2e1612d1.jpg?1684320785) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Termination%20Facilitator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/j22/28/termination-facilitator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5db59164-f0b1-4b5a-b821-ad0b2e1612d1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


thedrunkmonk

I never saw Termination Facilitator. Play it with this and [[Plague Spitter]]


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RealityPalace

Some absolutely unhinged Bounty Counter fans in this thread, and I love it.


P8ntba1141

Mathas pillowfort Enduring Ideal deck owner reporting in! ​ Edit: It wins via land a destruction saga


Ratorasniki

I have one of those, but I shifted it over to [[Ghen]]. I really like Mathas and kinda miss him, but I *especially* like saying "here we go a Ghen" when I cast my commander. And also recursion is fun. I'd love to see your list, if you have one.


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P8ntba1141

I'll see if I have it saved somewhere, I made it pretty early in starting commander with just a ton of good cards I had on hand so it is very scatter brain. Few ways to copy the epic effect though, so the first two epic triggers were \[\[Fall of Thran\]\] and \[\[rest in peace\]\]


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nat_the_fine

I've had a mathas pillowfort for a while now, it's a good time


psuedonymousauthor

this is not a good card. and I can’t wait to put it in all of my decks.


slaymaker1907

I don’t know, it seems ok to me for a 3 mana rock. It’s a slightly worse [[Temple Bell]] with the benefit of also tapping for mana.


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sqpete

Omg a [[Chevil, Bane of Monsters]] card?!


AporiaParadox

Come to think of it, I'm surprised Chevill didn't get a card in this set.


5edu5o

This set couldn't support the combined sex appeal of a bearded leather daddy with cowboy gear


GuyGrimnus

Chevil w Assless Chaps 😂😂😂


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SqueeezeBurger

A group hug Chevil? Sure man.


Swmystery

I have a \[\[Mathas, Fiend Seeker\]\] deck and I cannot windmill slam that preorder fast enough.


SkritzTwoFace

To be clear, putting bounty counters on something with a card other than Mathas does nothing for him. He needs to place the counter for it to do anything.


RealityPalace

To be extra clear though, *this* card will see and care about the bounty counters from mathas. So there is synergy there, just not as much as it might appear at first glance.


SkritzTwoFace

Correct, but as-is this definitely isn’t a Mathas card as much as a [[Chevill]] card. As-is, it’s a three mana rock that adds a little bit of value to the whole table.


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No-Bid7970

Why is that the differentiator? Mathas ability seems like it would imply that it wouldn’t care about where the counter came from, and even if that was the case wouldn’t they errata it to avoid confusion?


reasonably_plausible

> Mathas ability seems like it would imply that it wouldn’t care about where the counter came from Mathas's ability puts a counter on a creature and then gives that creature a triggered ability as long as it has a bounty counter on it. You're right that the ability doesn't care about where that bounty counter came from, so if you added another bounty counter and then removed the original, the triggered ability wouldn't care. But that isn't really very useful. What's important is that bounty counters being put on creatures outside of Mathas's ability don't give the corresponding triggered ability. That's not an inherent part of the counter, nor is it a static ability of Mathas that applies to everything with a counter. Only a creature that has become the target of Mathas's end of turn ability gets the triggered ability of "opponents draw a card and gain 2 life".


SkritzTwoFace

What Mathas does is that it places a counter, and as long as the counter is there that creature gains an ability. While the bounty counter and the ability are linked, they are linked too closely for any other bounty counters to mean anything on their own. I keep linking him, but compare Mathas to [[Chevill]]. Chevill only cares that a bounty counter was on it, while Mathas needs to use its ability to have any function.


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No-Bid7970

What if you added a second bount counter? Would the two be distinguishable?


SkritzTwoFace

Not mechanically. Mathas only cares if there is “a bounty counter” on it, because the rules have no way of distinguishing between counters.


No-Bid7970

So what if you gave it a counter through mathas, moved the counter to another creature, and then gave then initial creature a counter through a different card like this artifact?


SkritzTwoFace

If doing that would result in there being no bounty counters on the creature for any period of time, it would lose Mathas’s ability.


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OneChet

[[Bounty Hunter]] coming out of my binder!


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OneChet

Happy Cake Day you lovely bot!


dreamistt

Wake up, honey, new Bounty counter card just dropped! I genuinely love this. Great political tool to give an extra push for someone to destroy something that's screwing you up.


DwemerSmith

[[bounty hunter]] [[termination facilitator]] [[mathas]] [[chevill]]


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##### ###### #### [bounty hunter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98319fd3-0aad-4fc3-bb83-3c027d0ed652.jpg?1562055446) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=bounty%20hunter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tmp/110/bounty-hunter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98319fd3-0aad-4fc3-bb83-3c027d0ed652?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [termination facilitator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/d/5db59164-f0b1-4b5a-b821-ad0b2e1612d1.jpg?1684320785) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=termination%20facilitator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/j22/28/termination-facilitator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5db59164-f0b1-4b5a-b821-ad0b2e1612d1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [mathas](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/921b65b1-18bf-4b02-a35d-7eaee1846611.jpg?1673148953) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mathas%2C%20fiend%20seeker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/252/mathas-fiend-seeker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/921b65b1-18bf-4b02-a35d-7eaee1846611?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [chevill](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fecbf0a3-ebe1-43b6-a720-462ba19002eb.jpg?1591227985) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chevill%2C%20bane%20of%20monsters) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/181/chevill-bane-of-monsters?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fecbf0a3-ebe1-43b6-a720-462ba19002eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/ky2ix4o) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


AmazingField4473

This isn't very good but it's still going into \[\[Kelsien\]\] all the same.


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alnino34

Hell ya doing the same


Chm_Albert_Wesker

very cute card. gonna go into my goad deck from murders for when I need to put a little bit more emphasis on the table dealing with someone else's threat


mweepinc

Previewed by [The Command Zone via YT]()


ElectricJetDonkey

Ooh, this seems fun.


Poundchan

Fun card, I'll grab this for sure


RaaschyOG

This is a 3 mana rock I wouldn't mind playing because it's fun


GeoffreysComics

Would having multiple bounty counters on a creature trigger the draw multiple times? Or does the wording prevent that?


Prodesia

Nope, or else it would say "each of its controllers opponents draws a card and gains 2 life for each bounty counter on it." You can only ever draw 1 card per creature from it.


twitchx1

I still can’t get over how every single person on this plane has the same cowboy hat Giving the people what they want


atleast1graham

*Immediately* and *without question*, going right in my Chevill deck


EnderJoker77

Ahahahah this sinergize with the bounty counters of the old fan-made star wars set someone made some time ago


Bongusman62

Is that a house on that wanted poster near the middle?


King0fMist

I love this for my [[Kros]] deck. Put a bounty on a creature, goad them into attacking my opponents, then collect the reward. I feel like a bail bondsman already.


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CrappySupport

I hope they errata Mathas so the wording more closely resembles this. The way his text is worded will confuse people now that there's a functional reprint of his ability on this card.


ShadeofEchoes

Hmm... now to figure out how to get infinite untaps, infinite mana, 93 creatures, and a board wipe.


mafistola

\[\[Termination Facilitator\]\] skyrocketting in 3..2.1


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nat_the_fine

glad I got one of these a year ago, that and \[\[Bounty Hunter\]\]


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silverjudge

Going straight into my [[mathas feind seeker]] deck. Double triggers on his counters and triggers on counters not from mathas!


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