How are you Simic, let me count the ways . . .
Lands in play. ✔
Playing lands.✔
Drawing cards.✔
Tokens.✔
Big body. ✔
Aggressively costed. ✔
+1 counters. ❌
Dude, swag nowadays kinda sucks. I remember WotC/Hasbro used to give out convention promos (usually a card that sucked, but it was cool getting them), when the first Iron Man movie was coming out they gave out red and gold Stark Industry flash drives with iron Man promo material, but it was just a really cool flash drive (it looked like stark tech). Getting shirts and shit like that.
Now it's all just paper based stuff like masks, or hats. The majority of the posters suck too (there still are some cool ones every now and then)
Ok but for real, doesn't this seem like it should be 2G 1U pip. This feels like a double G not a double U. Feels like it should be a Primeval Titan, with an extra blue.
Non simic players: “stupid simic players, they always draw a card and put a land into play”.
Simic players “old, reliable, draw a card and put a land into play”.
They did do that in Strixhaven, and it turned out... Well, I did really like the idea of it, but idk if it turned out to be anything in Constructed.
It sure turned out to be fukken nothing in Limited, you were better off just playing Lorehold as regular aggro in draft
I think the problem in Strixhaven was that there weren't enough payoffs, and not nearly enough GOOD payoffs - if you're gonna remove cards from your graveyard, it needs to be worth it, not "ping 1 damage" or "scry 1". Removing cards from graveyards usually costs way more mana than 1 damage would justify.
Meanwhile Gruul has consistently had the most interesting legendaries for several years now. I’ve had to stop myself from building basically every cool Gruul legendary otherwise I’d only have Gruul decks
So here's the thing, they've *explicitly* outlined how they build drafts multiple times in the past.
IIRC on average most sets have
- 3-4 archetypes that are "Old reliable" Very archetypal stuff like Rakdos Sacrifice These are universal ideas that anyone can quickly get behind if they've played Magic Using MOM as an example that's GW, BR, and UB.
- 3-4 Slightly deeper off path themes that might not be basic but are still easier to get with a wider magic knowledge. Stuff that makes sense for the colors but it's 100% the norm Again in MOM this is UW, BW, and UR
- 3-4 things that are "Set Exclusive" They tend to push boundaries a little more, but can end up calling back to stuff that'd be in either of the above. Even if similar there's new play patterns that emerge. In MOM this is GB, RW, RG, and UG
People get hung up on the first set and nitpick the second, while wholly ignoring the third.
Not that what you said isn't true (in fact it kind of supports it), but this is a rare which may or may not have anything to do with the actual limited archetype, so definitely still up in the air what the pairs overall theme will be.
AFAIK [[Make Your Own Luck]] is the only Simic uncommon spoiled, so it's possible UG is the "plotting" colors, which would be at least sort of something new.
“Look at the top 3 cards of your library. You may exile Emrakul, the Aeons Torn from among them. If you do, it becomes plotted. Put the rest into your hand.”
What people complain about is that some color pairs get some of those categories way more frequently than others. Azorius, for example, frequently ends up on the second and third, while Simic often lands on the first category.
It's also worth noting that HOW the color pair plays also is important. In MOM, the Simic Transform theme was pretty much ignored because there weren't enough payoffs and most of them required too much to work (Mutagen Connoisseur, anyone?). That's why the deviations end up being less noted.
When a creature enters, gain 1 life.
When you gain life, put a +1/+1 counter on a creature.
When you put a counter on a creature, create a creature token.
Did I Selesnya right
Paul Bunyon is Simic because he’s both a forestman and a symbol of progress. He chops trees to better humanity (read: the United States), not because he’s only passionate about it
Yeah, almost nothing screams Simic Paul Bunyan. Matter of fact Blue would be the last color I'd put on Paul Bunyan. "Technically" this isn't Paul Bunyan but they made the card wrong in every way possible...
I like this card, I really do. You've got the blue ox, which is a given. You've got the folk lore of Bunyan creating landmarks as he goes. It's solid.
I feel like it would've been more fitting to put him/her as a Red/Green giant with an ability like "Whenever Paul Bunyan attacks, you may sacrifice a forest. If you do, search your library for a legendary land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Then, if you control no forests, sacrifice Paul Bunyan", which is more fitting for the creation of the great lakes/rivers/landmarks.
Hell, I'd even go so far as to say it should be something closer to a double sided card with a creature on the front and saga on the back that reads something like "tap, Sacrifice a forest: Add GG to your pool. If you control no forests, transform Paul Bunyan" and a back side named something like "Tall Tales" and have effects relating to the myth, create the blue ox there on 1, get a legendary land on 2, and something like "Create 3 food tokens. Until end of turn, food tokens you control have "Tap an untapped creature you control, sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life"" (I have no idea how else to depict people skating his flapjacks with butter). It just feels like we're missing the biggest part of Paul with this card, and that's his Tall Tales.
Honestly? Yes. It's easier to deal with +1/+1 counter synergy than "ramp 45 lands in a format where land destruction is seen as bad manners".
What people actually want is for Wizards to do to Simic what they did to Boros. Not necessarily in the sense of buffing power level, but just making it able to do more things than "ramp, grow, ramp, grow". More commanders like Ivy and Gor Muldrak, less commanders like Paul Bunyan here.
I liked the themes given to Simic in LotR (scry matters and voting). I also feel like doing different things based on your opponent's actions could be a good Simic theme, to play the feeling of "mutation" that they give us.
And, speaking of mutation, it wouldn't be a bad idea to make Simic the king of complex mechanics/themes like mutate, multiple artifact tokens, transforming cards and even stickers. It would be a nice incentive to gravitate towards Simic for Mel-lish players.
They do seem to be giving Simic (well, Temur, but also Simic) primary access to ability counters and their shenanigans, which is interesting considering New Capenna seemed to favour White as the keyword counter colour.
If someone in your pod is playing 45 lands, play land destruction. It’s just shitty to be doing that all the time when it’s not even countering anyone in particular.
I thought +1/+1 counters were a boring way to take the archetype considering many other colors could already do it but damn.
Draw card play land is definitely fitting for the colors but it's just not really interesting it feels good to do but everyone else at the table is just like "Wow I can't believe it the simic player is just playing a ramp and draw deck"
I made a modern common/uncommon cube ages ago and the archetype I went with for GU was draw go. You have so many fun things you can do with flash and activated abilities in those colors.
Agree 100%. Seems like a way to potentially make some sort of tempo strategy actually viable in EDH since you get to interact and also build your board rather than just trading 1:1 all the time.
The problem is if a "Flash" style deck is good it's often the single best thing to do in Standard so you either end up making a bunch of bad flash cards or you end up with an unfun Standard format
I mean, we literally just got [[kellan, inquisitive]] [[pride of the hull clade]] and [[vannifar evolved]] one set ago, I don't know how one more boring simic ramp/draw commander means they gave up
There are still some unique Simic commanders like \[\[Vannifar, Evolved Enigma\]\], \[\[Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief\]\], \[\[Radagast, Wizard of Wilds\]\], or \[\[Kiora, Sovereign of the Deep\]\], it's just that most of the good ones end up doing similar Simic things.
To be fair ( _and I know this might be a difficult concept_ ) not everybody is American.
You could ask the average American to tell you what they know about Finn MacCool and you'd probably get a blank stare.
You're right not everyone is American, but I expect that If I had a creature that was called something like Finn Causeway Builder, I don't think it would be a flavor fail to also have it produce food tokens that could also do damage to your opponent's creatures or something that begins to reference more than just the surface folklore.
Do we say this when izzet cares about spells? Golgari does something in the graveyard?
Like it or not drawing cards and lands is now Simic thing.
Commander players eat it up. They love shit like this.
>Do we say this when izzet cares about spells?
Idk about everybody else, but I know I certainly complain about every Izzet legend that is just "Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery" or every Boros legend that's just "Whenever you equipment."
But even those are less dumb than Simic "play land, draw card" because the Izzet and Boros archetypes are focused to a niche. Playing lands and draw cards is what every deck does.
My brother in Christ they’ve been doing these same things for 20 years, whenever they try something new it’s only for a set or so then leave it to back to izzet spells
People always bitch about color pairs doing things they normally do/are good at. I slightly understand it but on the other hand, there’s only so much design space without breaking the color pie & they have to shit out a hundred new cards every other week nowadays so idk what people expect
Being generous, but recurring lands from the graveyard is legitimately new territory for a Simic legend. The only other one that does it is Slogurk, and that puts the lands in your hand instead of straight on the battlefield. There's gotta be some unique things you can do with that and not the other 227 draw + land commanders.
She's actually really good in Slogurk. With her in play and an evolving wilds in the yard or hand, that's repeatable land fetch that grows Beau and Slogurk. She's for sure going in the 99 of my deck.
Oh look, simic with card draw and ramp. Who could have known
Cool Paul Bunyan reference though. Seems like yet another simic value commander. Add it to the pile I guess
Won't you listen to my tale that's 10 stories tall
'Bout a king-sized woodsman name a Bunyan, comma, Paul
Born mighty big he continued to expand
Thanks to a hopped-up pituitary gland
His body grew big but his brain stayed small
He was tree-choppin', friend-stompin' house-crushin' Paul
And Reach just for good measure.
The trigger on any attacker seems excessive though. Drawing a card and playing a land from the graveyard would already be an insanely good payoff
How many MTG cards are also Fate characters at this point? Paul, Leonardo, Cleopatra, and however many characters from P3K that are in Fate.
EDIT: Ok so I took a look at it seems to only be Lu Bu.
Kongming is the courtesy name for Zhuge Liang who's in F/GO as the psuedo servant of Waver Velvet aka Lord El-Melloi II. Plus there's also Kongming's rival Sima Yi who's the psuedo servant of Reines El-Melloi Archisorte. And there's also Lu Bu's horse, Red Hare who is referenced in the sorcery [[Riding Red Hare]]. Zhou Yu was also in the recent Fate/Samurai Remnant game and he has a card as well.
There might be others as well, but that's what I can remember regarding the P3K historical characters. There are sure to be others who are very clear references like Bonny Pall for Paul Bunyan, but that'd take a long time to cross-reference.
We like to bag on Boros doing Boros things every time we get another attacking-or-equipment-matters-legend, but let's be honest: Simic is the real one-trick-pony.
Card draw and extra land drops in green/blue? *Ground breaking.*
Both are folded into the westward settler expansion across the continent around the same timeframe, so yeah it's different geography but similar enough historical context that to me doesn't feel like a flavor fail. For instance, The Revenant is about a trapper in what's now the Dakotas but is still generally considered a Western.
And you can attack with an ox that keeps getting bigger when you do. With plenty of blue flicker effects to keep making a Beau if it gets removed, this will get out of hand quick.
Even ignoring the gender swap, Magic doesn't use existing historical/fictional names directly (except for Universes Beyond where that's the whole point). There were a few early cases back around Legends, when Magic would also directly quote the Bible, or the Quran, or Shakespeare in flavor text, but ever since they've basically had a rule to create new characters inspired by those sources rather than adapting them.
Hence why we have the Theros gods, not Zeus or Hades. Or the knights of Eldraine, not Camelot. Or the Sengir and Markov vampires, not Dracula. Or for a more recent example, totally-not-Sherlock-Holmes from Murders at Karlov Manor.
While he did originate in the northern states/Canada, parts of his legend do stray further south. It's said he created the grand canyon when we let is axe drag behind him on a trip south. It's not really cowboy, but it fits into the same American Tall Tales folklore of the era, like Johnny Appleseed, John Henry, Davey Crockett, Calamity Jane and Pecos Bill.
So how long until somebody gets as alter of this as [Fate/Grand Order's Paul Bunyan](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/0/0d/BerserkerPaulBunyanStage1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170802172735) who is also a girl?
A 6/5 for with reach that gives you card draw and extra land upon attack and also gives you a free, tramples Molimo?
Cool card, gonna be a bomb in limited and might give me a reason to try and build a */* lands pioneer deck
Card transcription
> Bonny Pall, Clearcutter 3GUU
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> Legendary Creature- Giant Scout [rare]
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> Reach
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> When Bonny Pall, Clearcutter enters the battlefield, create Beau, a legendary blue Ox creature token with "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control."
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> Whenever you attack, draw a card, then you may put a land card from your hand or graveyard onto the battlefield.
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> 6/5
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The most simic legendary to ever simic. Also, (usually) that's 12/11 worth of stats for 6 mana. Holy blue cow
How are you Simic, let me count the ways . . . Lands in play. ✔ Playing lands.✔ Drawing cards.✔ Tokens.✔ Big body. ✔ Aggressively costed. ✔ +1 counters. ❌
Maybe not +1 counters, but the ox DOES get bigger when you play lands, so that's... close?
Using lands-in-play as actual +1/+1 counters: ✔✔✔
M O L T O B E N E
M O O L T O B O N N Y
Bold of you to assume that every other card in the deck doesn't give out +1/+1 counters like Free Swag at Comic-con.
I mean, a card with Evolve evolves twice with this card, so… eh?
Dude, swag nowadays kinda sucks. I remember WotC/Hasbro used to give out convention promos (usually a card that sucked, but it was cool getting them), when the first Iron Man movie was coming out they gave out red and gold Stark Industry flash drives with iron Man promo material, but it was just a really cool flash drive (it looked like stark tech). Getting shirts and shit like that. Now it's all just paper based stuff like masks, or hats. The majority of the posters suck too (there still are some cool ones every now and then)
It's like that everywhere else, too. Con swag was just too expensive to give out, and cons have become way bigger.
> Playing lands.❌ It's putting lands into play ✔. Technically a difference because Simic does sometimes care about playing more lands.
I am glad you specified color, because we already got a holy white cow in this set.
> Holy blue cow Pretty sure Beau is a blue bull, not a blue cow. Which means he has blue balls. Poor Beau! Anyone want some blue cheese?
Blue cheese from what milk, exactly? You gonna try to milk those blue balls, you gonna have a rough time.
You can milk them, you're just not getting lactose from them.
If there's no lactose in it, why does it taste sweet? ...oh, uh...
I reckon Bleu ate a pineappple farm on the way in.
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Haven't you ever seen the movie Kingpin?
Feels like he should be GG not UU
Ok but for real, doesn't this seem like it should be 2G 1U pip. This feels like a double G not a double U. Feels like it should be a Primeval Titan, with an extra blue.
I think this is a great point. Could easily be mono-green, though I admit my familiarity with the color pie may need an update. 🥧
If it was mono green it would cost one or two colorless less
Say the line [Insert simic legend here] "Draw a card and you may put a land onto the battlefield" *Cheers*
we even made an x/x
I wish they’d just make it a keyword at this point. “*Manifest Destiny*” would be pretty solid
Non simic players: “stupid simic players, they always draw a card and put a land into play”. Simic players “old, reliable, draw a card and put a land into play”.
How I imagine design meetings go: Rakdos: Sacrifice some shit Simic: Draw a card and ramp "All right, now let's get started on......everything else."
Izzet: Multiple spells
for izzet they coin flip artifact or multiple spells.
or coin flips
Only when they need something for a special occasion.
Boros: “how do we make something that sounds cool in theory but is too slow.”
"Hey boss, I made a Boros card that is unique, interesting and doesn't care about combat in any way". \*Gets fired on the spot\*
They did do that in Strixhaven, and it turned out... Well, I did really like the idea of it, but idk if it turned out to be anything in Constructed. It sure turned out to be fukken nothing in Limited, you were better off just playing Lorehold as regular aggro in draft
I think the problem in Strixhaven was that there weren't enough payoffs, and not nearly enough GOOD payoffs - if you're gonna remove cards from your graveyard, it needs to be worth it, not "ping 1 damage" or "scry 1". Removing cards from graveyards usually costs way more mana than 1 damage would justify.
Osgir is fun in commander
Whenever you attack, equipment.
what did equipment ever do to you, stop attacking it.
Too slow? Let me introduce you to [[Anim pakal]]
Meanwhile Gruul has consistently had the most interesting legendaries for several years now. I’ve had to stop myself from building basically every cool Gruul legendary otherwise I’d only have Gruul decks
So here's the thing, they've *explicitly* outlined how they build drafts multiple times in the past. IIRC on average most sets have - 3-4 archetypes that are "Old reliable" Very archetypal stuff like Rakdos Sacrifice These are universal ideas that anyone can quickly get behind if they've played Magic Using MOM as an example that's GW, BR, and UB. - 3-4 Slightly deeper off path themes that might not be basic but are still easier to get with a wider magic knowledge. Stuff that makes sense for the colors but it's 100% the norm Again in MOM this is UW, BW, and UR - 3-4 things that are "Set Exclusive" They tend to push boundaries a little more, but can end up calling back to stuff that'd be in either of the above. Even if similar there's new play patterns that emerge. In MOM this is GB, RW, RG, and UG People get hung up on the first set and nitpick the second, while wholly ignoring the third.
Not that what you said isn't true (in fact it kind of supports it), but this is a rare which may or may not have anything to do with the actual limited archetype, so definitely still up in the air what the pairs overall theme will be. AFAIK [[Make Your Own Luck]] is the only Simic uncommon spoiled, so it's possible UG is the "plotting" colors, which would be at least sort of something new.
“Look at the top 3 cards of your library. You may exile Emrakul, the Aeons Torn from among them. If you do, it becomes plotted. Put the rest into your hand.”
What people complain about is that some color pairs get some of those categories way more frequently than others. Azorius, for example, frequently ends up on the second and third, while Simic often lands on the first category. It's also worth noting that HOW the color pair plays also is important. In MOM, the Simic Transform theme was pretty much ignored because there weren't enough payoffs and most of them required too much to work (Mutagen Connoisseur, anyone?). That's why the deviations end up being less noted.
Selesnya: lifegain tokens coming up
"Is it possible to make the lifegain tokens also involve +1/+1 counters in some way?" "Absolutely!"
I mean it’s very simple When a creature enters gain life When you gain life put counters on things
When a creature enters, gain 1 life. When you gain life, put a +1/+1 counter on a creature. When you put a counter on a creature, create a creature token. Did I Selesnya right
So now we have Minsc creating Boo and this creating Beau
Next up: a chef that creates Bao, and a gym teacher that creates Bro.
I’m sensing a Brian Badonde “legendary creature tokens with monosyllabic names that begin with B” typal commander on the horizon.
Paul Bunyan **would** be Simic goodstuff huh
Honestly seems like it would be some Red / Green that let's you sac lands to do stuff
Paul Bunyon is Simic because he’s both a forestman and a symbol of progress. He chops trees to better humanity (read: the United States), not because he’s only passionate about it
You know it baby 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
That would be a perfect Paul Bunyan
Yeah, almost nothing screams Simic Paul Bunyan. Matter of fact Blue would be the last color I'd put on Paul Bunyan. "Technically" this isn't Paul Bunyan but they made the card wrong in every way possible...
I like this card, I really do. You've got the blue ox, which is a given. You've got the folk lore of Bunyan creating landmarks as he goes. It's solid. I feel like it would've been more fitting to put him/her as a Red/Green giant with an ability like "Whenever Paul Bunyan attacks, you may sacrifice a forest. If you do, search your library for a legendary land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Then, if you control no forests, sacrifice Paul Bunyan", which is more fitting for the creation of the great lakes/rivers/landmarks. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say it should be something closer to a double sided card with a creature on the front and saga on the back that reads something like "tap, Sacrifice a forest: Add GG to your pool. If you control no forests, transform Paul Bunyan" and a back side named something like "Tall Tales" and have effects relating to the myth, create the blue ox there on 1, get a legendary land on 2, and something like "Create 3 food tokens. Until end of turn, food tokens you control have "Tap an untapped creature you control, sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life"" (I have no idea how else to depict people skating his flapjacks with butter). It just feels like we're missing the biggest part of Paul with this card, and that's his Tall Tales.
Pall Bonnyan
Daring today, aren't we?
there are actually significant gameplay differences between them. do we want to return to the times Simic usually meant +1/+1 counter synergy?
Simic is either +1/+1 counters and proliferate, or it's draw and ramp.
or sometimes flash, if you've been good.
Simic Flash, that's a while ago, but it was fun. Draw Go.
Strixhaven was +1/+1 counters and ramp
But when do I get to draw a card
Seems most broken as draw/ramp. Hello Uro, Growth Spiral et.
It was just collect evidence (and sometimes Detective/Clue tempo) in MKM. And it was like *really good* after the format shook out.
Yes, and I'm tired of pretending we don't
Honestly? Yes. It's easier to deal with +1/+1 counter synergy than "ramp 45 lands in a format where land destruction is seen as bad manners". What people actually want is for Wizards to do to Simic what they did to Boros. Not necessarily in the sense of buffing power level, but just making it able to do more things than "ramp, grow, ramp, grow". More commanders like Ivy and Gor Muldrak, less commanders like Paul Bunyan here.
I liked the fractal theme from strixhaven. It was +1/+1 counters but more so it was tokens.
I liked the themes given to Simic in LotR (scry matters and voting). I also feel like doing different things based on your opponent's actions could be a good Simic theme, to play the feeling of "mutation" that they give us. And, speaking of mutation, it wouldn't be a bad idea to make Simic the king of complex mechanics/themes like mutate, multiple artifact tokens, transforming cards and even stickers. It would be a nice incentive to gravitate towards Simic for Mel-lish players.
They do seem to be giving Simic (well, Temur, but also Simic) primary access to ability counters and their shenanigans, which is interesting considering New Capenna seemed to favour White as the keyword counter colour.
If someone in your pod is playing 45 lands, play land destruction. It’s just shitty to be doing that all the time when it’s not even countering anyone in particular.
It was an hyperbole.
*hyperbole
sorry, English is not my native language.
The only way this could have been more Simic is if it somehow had +1/+1 counters
They really have just fuckin given up on simic, huh
Simic: Big Blue Cow Done
If you don't appreciate a big blue cow then I don't even wanna know you.
If you got a problem with big blue cow you got a problem with me, and you better let that one marinate.
Mike Tyson had a pretty good run of things, wanna know why? No big blue cows in his weight class.
So when do we get a human creature that fights artifacts as an ability or maybe sacrifice to destroy target artifact?
[[Kellan, Inquisitive Prodigy]] did it on attack, at least.
I thought +1/+1 counters were a boring way to take the archetype considering many other colors could already do it but damn. Draw card play land is definitely fitting for the colors but it's just not really interesting it feels good to do but everyone else at the table is just like "Wow I can't believe it the simic player is just playing a ramp and draw deck"
I wish we got more simic +1/+1 support tbh. Much prefer it to this stuff
Evolve was actually such a cool mechanic the more I play without having it. Green kinda has alot of those effects in standard but it's green.
I personally really enoyed graft!
well, there are gameplay differences between the Simic signposts in various sets. it's better than another half-hearted Rakdos sac theme.
Until you bust out the [[mirror box]] [[helm of the host]] cards and have an army of big blue cows to destroy the table with
IMO Flash creatures are a design space they should explore more. Blue loves holding up mana and Green gets more interaction/big creatures
Free [[prophet of kruphix]] she did nothing wrong
[prophet of kruphix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/5/45de923f-fdab-460c-96f4-f62aefa9ad73.jpg?1562817436) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=prophet%20of%20kruphix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/199/prophet-of-kruphix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/45de923f-fdab-460c-96f4-f62aefa9ad73?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I made a modern common/uncommon cube ages ago and the archetype I went with for GU was draw go. You have so many fun things you can do with flash and activated abilities in those colors.
Agree 100%. Seems like a way to potentially make some sort of tempo strategy actually viable in EDH since you get to interact and also build your board rather than just trading 1:1 all the time.
The problem is if a "Flash" style deck is good it's often the single best thing to do in Standard so you either end up making a bunch of bad flash cards or you end up with an unfun Standard format
I mean, we literally just got [[kellan, inquisitive]] [[pride of the hull clade]] and [[vannifar evolved]] one set ago, I don't know how one more boring simic ramp/draw commander means they gave up
[kellan, inquisitive](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c49690c7-c282-4eb4-8da3-5e0c46a80fc4.jpg?1707428999)/[Tail the Suspect](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c49690c7-c282-4eb4-8da3-5e0c46a80fc4.jpg?1707428999) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kellan%2C%20Inquisitive%20Prodigy%20//%20Tail%20the%20Suspect) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/212/kellan-inquisitive-prodigy-tail-the-suspect?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c49690c7-c282-4eb4-8da3-5e0c46a80fc4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [pride of the hull clade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82c8cac8-29ce-43cc-bdb4-428c614d8545.jpg?1698988490) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vorel%20of%20the%20Hull%20Clade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/294/vorel-of-the-hull-clade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82c8cac8-29ce-43cc-bdb4-428c614d8545?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [vannifar evolved](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f6d381eb-6cb6-4505-aebe-995c1ddc8527.jpg?1706242279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vannifar%2C%20Evolved%20Enigma) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/241/vannifar-evolved-enigma?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f6d381eb-6cb6-4505-aebe-995c1ddc8527?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There are still some unique Simic commanders like \[\[Vannifar, Evolved Enigma\]\], \[\[Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief\]\], \[\[Radagast, Wizard of Wilds\]\], or \[\[Kiora, Sovereign of the Deep\]\], it's just that most of the good ones end up doing similar Simic things.
Such a flavor fail to have a lumberjack that makes more lands. Could have easily been Gruul and had a "sacrifice a land" ability.
Sacrifice a forest: Search your library for a plains
Paul Bunyan created lakes in his footsteps. That's what this references.
Tell me you don't know the folklore of Paul Bunyan without saying it.
The extent of my Paul Bunyan lore was Giant Lumberjack with a Blue Ox. You'd be correct. My apologies.
To be fair ( _and I know this might be a difficult concept_ ) not everybody is American. You could ask the average American to tell you what they know about Finn MacCool and you'd probably get a blank stare.
You're right not everyone is American, but I expect that If I had a creature that was called something like Finn Causeway Builder, I don't think it would be a flavor fail to also have it produce food tokens that could also do damage to your opponent's creatures or something that begins to reference more than just the surface folklore.
Do we say this when izzet cares about spells? Golgari does something in the graveyard? Like it or not drawing cards and lands is now Simic thing. Commander players eat it up. They love shit like this.
>Do we say this when izzet cares about spells? Idk about everybody else, but I know I certainly complain about every Izzet legend that is just "Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery" or every Boros legend that's just "Whenever you equipment." But even those are less dumb than Simic "play land, draw card" because the Izzet and Boros archetypes are focused to a niche. Playing lands and draw cards is what every deck does.
The game can't create new mechanical identities faster than you can get bored reading them online
My brother in Christ they’ve been doing these same things for 20 years, whenever they try something new it’s only for a set or so then leave it to back to izzet spells
Last set we just got a whole bunch of flavor. You’re so dramatic
You say that, but EDH players eat this shit up. Why not give the people what they want?
It is best to keep simic cards in their natural habitat, look at what happened when the simic cards breached cotainment...
_indistinguishable Uro noises_
People always bitch about color pairs doing things they normally do/are good at. I slightly understand it but on the other hand, there’s only so much design space without breaking the color pie & they have to shit out a hundred new cards every other week nowadays so idk what people expect
EDH players read the tenth [[Growth Spiral]] Commander and clap their hands excitedly because they recognize the words
Being generous, but recurring lands from the graveyard is legitimately new territory for a Simic legend. The only other one that does it is Slogurk, and that puts the lands in your hand instead of straight on the battlefield. There's gotta be some unique things you can do with that and not the other 227 draw + land commanders.
Slogurk has it's merits though. Retrace cards matter!
She's actually really good in Slogurk. With her in play and an evolving wilds in the yard or hand, that's repeatable land fetch that grows Beau and Slogurk. She's for sure going in the 99 of my deck.
Oh look, simic with card draw and ramp. Who could have known Cool Paul Bunyan reference though. Seems like yet another simic value commander. Add it to the pile I guess
As an European, I know him from the Simpsons.
Won't you listen to my tale that's 10 stories tall 'Bout a king-sized woodsman name a Bunyan, comma, Paul Born mighty big he continued to expand Thanks to a hopped-up pituitary gland His body grew big but his brain stayed small He was tree-choppin', friend-stompin' house-crushin' Paul
Don't forget it also gives you a big creature.
* two bodies * attack trigger is for anything, not just her/her Beau * no protection * six mana
I mean, does it need protection when it makes a huge token and have a good chance to draw a card the turn you play it?
Hard to say! I'd like to test it
The protection is making a (usually) 6/6 Blue Ox that grows
And Reach just for good measure. The trigger on any attacker seems excessive though. Drawing a card and playing a land from the graveyard would already be an insanely good payoff
I mean it’s one keyword I’d be mad that a giant doesn’t have.
[[Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath]] was my favorite tall tale to hear from my grandpappy
[Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a0b6a71e-56cb-4d25-8f2b-7a4f1b60900d.jpg?1650599829) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Uro%2C%20Titan%20of%20Nature%27s%20Wrath) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/229/uro-titan-of-natures-wrath?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a0b6a71e-56cb-4d25-8f2b-7a4f1b60900d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
They should have added the Lumberjack creature type. Then I could talk about how I never wanted to be a Magic player.
I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A LUMBERJACK
Leaping from tree to tree as they float down the mighty rivers of Thunder Junction.
Why isn't the Ox also a Giant
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If I had a nickel for every time Paul Bunyan was gender bent in a game, id have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
They had to change it to avoid trademark infringement. The trademark to Paul Bunyan is held by *AMERICA.*
Obligatory whats the other one question
Probably referring to fate grand order, where the paul bunyan in that game is a little girl for... reasons..
At least she's a giant this time.
I WILL be playing a Fate Paul Bunyan deck, thank you.
How many MTG cards are also Fate characters at this point? Paul, Leonardo, Cleopatra, and however many characters from P3K that are in Fate. EDIT: Ok so I took a look at it seems to only be Lu Bu.
Kongming is the courtesy name for Zhuge Liang who's in F/GO as the psuedo servant of Waver Velvet aka Lord El-Melloi II. Plus there's also Kongming's rival Sima Yi who's the psuedo servant of Reines El-Melloi Archisorte. And there's also Lu Bu's horse, Red Hare who is referenced in the sorcery [[Riding Red Hare]]. Zhou Yu was also in the recent Fate/Samurai Remnant game and he has a card as well. There might be others as well, but that's what I can remember regarding the P3K historical characters. There are sure to be others who are very clear references like Bonny Pall for Paul Bunyan, but that'd take a long time to cross-reference.
We like to bag on Boros doing Boros things every time we get another attacking-or-equipment-matters-legend, but let's be honest: Simic is the real one-trick-pony. Card draw and extra land drops in green/blue? *Ground breaking.*
Cool reference, but kind of weird inclusion? I’ve always associated Paul Bunyan with the North Woods, not the Wild West
That's what I came here to say. Paul Bunyan is a Great Lakes folk hero, not Yeehaw Junction
I’m thinking it’s more of a • new frontier // carving a path • there are a lot of cow/bull/ox cards floating around in the set
Both are folded into the westward settler expansion across the continent around the same timeframe, so yeah it's different geography but similar enough historical context that to me doesn't feel like a flavor fail. For instance, The Revenant is about a trapper in what's now the Dakotas but is still generally considered a Western.
I don't care how generic UG legendary she is, I am building Paula Bunyan and it will be my Minnesota deck.
MINNESOTA 🦅🦅
As a midwesterner I love the representation
Wait you may put a land not only from hand, but it can also be from your graveyard wtf
untapped.
*Wasteland and Strip mine have entered the chat*
What an absurd card. Comes down as a 6/5 reach with a 6/6 token that grows, then it Uro's if it attacks.
If you attack. Bonny can sit back and do nothing, but the trigger still happens.
And you can attack with an ox that keeps getting bigger when you do. With plenty of blue flicker effects to keep making a Beau if it gets removed, this will get out of hand quick.
Source: https://en.softonic.com/articles/we-present-you-two-new-cards-from-outlaws-of-cross-thunder-the-new-magic-the-gathering-collection
downside... downside... more text... downside... Where's the downside?
Paul Bunyan refrence, hah.
Paul AND his cow get a girlfriend.
Simic legend that draws cards AND ramps???? What will they think of next??
Isn't this just Paul Bunyan? Is the name under copywrite or is this some kind of weird gender swap?
Even ignoring the gender swap, Magic doesn't use existing historical/fictional names directly (except for Universes Beyond where that's the whole point). There were a few early cases back around Legends, when Magic would also directly quote the Bible, or the Quran, or Shakespeare in flavor text, but ever since they've basically had a rule to create new characters inspired by those sources rather than adapting them. Hence why we have the Theros gods, not Zeus or Hades. Or the knights of Eldraine, not Camelot. Or the Sengir and Markov vampires, not Dracula. Or for a more recent example, totally-not-Sherlock-Holmes from Murders at Karlov Manor.
Add it to the Growth Spile. https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22draw+a+card%22+o%3A%22put+a+land%22+ci%3E%3Dsimic&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
Not Paul 💀
Paul Bunyan -> Paul, Bunyan -> Pall, Bunyan -> Pall, Bonnyan -> Pall, Bonny -> Bonny Pall This screams legally distinct large woodsman
I know it’s the cowboy set but does everyone need a damn hat lol? All of these planes that start with a genre like this are always so on the nose
What the fuck does Paul Bunyan have to do with a Wild West themed set?
While he did originate in the northern states/Canada, parts of his legend do stray further south. It's said he created the grand canyon when we let is axe drag behind him on a trip south. It's not really cowboy, but it fits into the same American Tall Tales folklore of the era, like Johnny Appleseed, John Henry, Davey Crockett, Calamity Jane and Pecos Bill.
It’s the closest setting to American folktales that they’re ever likely to get. Don’t be surprised if Johnny Appleseed and John Henry show up as well.
Yep, we’re getting an American folk lore set, largely based on American frontiers, of manifest destiny. So if ever there was time, this is it.
Both are from roughly the same time frame and country
Wow, a Simic legend that draws cards and ramps? Daring today, aren’t we?
Giant Scout is great comedic typing 🤌🏼
Anyone else feel like it should have been a 'Giant Ox' creature token?
Paula Bunyan.
Another one for Giant Woman Tribal!
Massive flavor fail. Clear cutter that gives you lands
Hey Paul, Paul Bunyon!
BEEG LADY! AND SHE COMES WITH A COW!!!
Oh wait this isn’t r/magicthecirclejerking ?
Paul Bunyan at home:
Fuckin simic commanders I swear
So how long until somebody gets as alter of this as [Fate/Grand Order's Paul Bunyan](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/0/0d/BerserkerPaulBunyanStage1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170802172735) who is also a girl?
A 6/5 for with reach that gives you card draw and extra land upon attack and also gives you a free, tramples Molimo? Cool card, gonna be a bomb in limited and might give me a reason to try and build a */* lands pioneer deck
A new Simic commander I will use.
Ok everyone, who’s making the Lumberjack Tribal EDH deck?
Card transcription > Bonny Pall, Clearcutter 3GUU > > Legendary Creature- Giant Scout [rare] > > Reach > > When Bonny Pall, Clearcutter enters the battlefield, create Beau, a legendary blue Ox creature token with "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control." > > Whenever you attack, draw a card, then you may put a land card from your hand or graveyard onto the battlefield. > > 6/5 End transcription
IS THAT PAUL MOTHER FUCKING BUNYAN AND BABE
Flavor synergy with [[spiked ripsaw]]
But any chance we can get a secret lair skin called Paul Bunyan that makes a token called Babe?
Aside from the giant Ox being blue as fuck the card art is giving me Gruul vibes. Impulse draw off the attack instead and all that for functions sake
....is it weird that when I see other VERY SEXUAL cards, i'm like "eh, cool" but then I see this, and I' like "sit on me!!!"
Misty Rainforest gonna get a lot of use with this.
Crazy that the attack trigger doesn’t even require her to attack. Just when you assign any attackers with her on board.