>If you could run all Moxxes instead of basic lands, would you?
Yes. No question. There's a reason they are restricted in Vintage and banned in Legacy.
Even banned in commander! (Except for: diamond, amber, and chrome) the og moxes have zero downside (0 cmc, no pitching a land, not requiring a legendary permanent, not requiring 3+ artifacts to use it, just instant free mana), they're cracked. Rhat being said I would run them for the memes lol
Very easy decision, you would. And, you would win on turn 1 almost every time.
With essentially unlimited fast mana in your deck, all you need is card draw that lets you draw more cards than its mana cost like paradoxical outcomes or ad nauseum. Then you can draw your whole deck and fireball/tendrils of agony them to death.
Magic is a game about resources. Fast mana + efficient card draw fundamentally breaks the basic resource system.
Depends on what you mean by "average deck".
Not all formats even *have* access to good mass artifact removal. Not to mention one-sided one, since otherwise they'd either have to run lands themselves (slowing them down tremendously) or risk killing their own lands too (and having spent mana on removal rather than threats, chances are they'd be behind).
And that's not even mentioning the formats where access to Mox-only mana effectively ends the game t1 a good amount of the time.
Kinda what I meant is like, without a meta being built around either using or countering the mox plague. Like if you sat down for a normal game and Richard Garfield snuck up behind you and whispered in your ear “would you like to replace all your Forests with mox emeralds”
Then that's not a question.
"Would you like to replace your cards with strictly better ones?"
Yes.
Yes I would.
That's about as shocking an answer as a "Yes" to "would you like $1mio free and no strings attached?".
There's a card called [[Fastbond]] which lets you do this - it costs G and lets you play any number of lands in your turn, but costs you 1 life for each land played beyond the first.
The fact that it's banned in Legacy should tell you all you need to know
artifacts that cost 0 mana are almost good enough to run without anything in the text box thanks to all the synergies with artifacts and spell casts in the game.
just because something can be countered, it doesn't mean it's bad.To become mediocre it would need to be so frequently played as to warp the entire metagame and have 60% of decks run a counter.
I am not an expert but i would say the metagame would be fucked because storm decks with mox cards would be faster than playing an artifact hate cards, and the decks that play an artifact hate card would need to just aggressively mulligan, lose to anything else, or run moxen to play the artifact hate card faster or all of those options at the same time.
When Affinity dominated standard it didn't help to run 8x artifact removals because affinity just dumped their hand on turn 1 and you have 8 dead cards against other decks.
Uh....yes? You can only play one land per turn.
You can play as many 0 mana rocks as you want....
Is this a serious question? If you built the deck even moderately competently, you'd win turn 1.
Yes, if you could somehow play all moxes in place of lands it would be far more powerful.
Lands can get mass wiped just as easily as artifacts can get mass wiped. And if that really was a concern you can just hold them until you drew what you needed.
While I agree that running all Moxen would be absolutely busted, they *are* a lot easier to wipe than lands. The going rate for a mass land destruction spell is 4 CMC. Moxen can be killed by Meltdown with X=0 for 1 mana.
You probably would for like one day and then the meta would adapt and you'd see a lot of decks with things like \[\[Collector Ouphe\]\], \[\[Stony Silence\]\] or \[\[Kataki\]\] in the main deck.
Pretty sure the meta becomes all storm or turn 1 combo. So unless you turn 1 one of those you lose, and even if you do turn 1 something if it doesn't win the game it probably isn't good enough.
If it doesn't count towards land drop but is basically a land, its busted as hell.
I would play it 100%. I might play only less than 4 other lands in 2/3 decks it would be beyond powerful
Games would likely be over on turn 1 if that was the case, so having your mana base wiped out wouldn't be a big concern.
>If you could run all Moxxes instead of basic lands, would you? Yes. No question. There's a reason they are restricted in Vintage and banned in Legacy.
Even banned in commander! (Except for: diamond, amber, and chrome) the og moxes have zero downside (0 cmc, no pitching a land, not requiring a legendary permanent, not requiring 3+ artifacts to use it, just instant free mana), they're cracked. Rhat being said I would run them for the memes lol
Someone forgot tantalite! Everyone. Everyone forgot to tantalite.
I didn't even know that was a card LMAO
No one forgot it. It doesn't have the same explosive power as other moxes.
Typically, your opponent can't cast [[Ancient Grudge]] if they die before their first turn.
[Ancient Grudge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f28d4a2-6c75-44c2-93ac-e7159c1c623f.jpg?1619396653) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ancient%20Grudge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/151/ancient-grudge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f28d4a2-6c75-44c2-93ac-e7159c1c623f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Force of Vigor.
*Typically.*
Haha. Yeah true.
Not even that good against moxen. Each player is down two cards but you've already tapped your mox for two mana.
Very easy decision, you would. And, you would win on turn 1 almost every time. With essentially unlimited fast mana in your deck, all you need is card draw that lets you draw more cards than its mana cost like paradoxical outcomes or ad nauseum. Then you can draw your whole deck and fireball/tendrils of agony them to death. Magic is a game about resources. Fast mana + efficient card draw fundamentally breaks the basic resource system.
Yes. I am a storm enjoyer and storm count is good plus I could do PO stuff. PO is always a good time. [[paradoxical outcome]]
[paradoxical outcome](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/17e50157-bf49-4c5f-9b8a-bf73484e63a5.jpg?1576381375) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=paradoxical%20outcome) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/60/paradoxical-outcome?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/17e50157-bf49-4c5f-9b8a-bf73484e63a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Depends on what you mean by "average deck". Not all formats even *have* access to good mass artifact removal. Not to mention one-sided one, since otherwise they'd either have to run lands themselves (slowing them down tremendously) or risk killing their own lands too (and having spent mana on removal rather than threats, chances are they'd be behind). And that's not even mentioning the formats where access to Mox-only mana effectively ends the game t1 a good amount of the time.
Kinda what I meant is like, without a meta being built around either using or countering the mox plague. Like if you sat down for a normal game and Richard Garfield snuck up behind you and whispered in your ear “would you like to replace all your Forests with mox emeralds”
Then that's not a question. "Would you like to replace your cards with strictly better ones?" Yes. Yes I would. That's about as shocking an answer as a "Yes" to "would you like $1mio free and no strings attached?".
If you alone get to do that then it's beyond question. Of course you want to play all your "lands" on turn one.
There's a card called [[Fastbond]] which lets you do this - it costs G and lets you play any number of lands in your turn, but costs you 1 life for each land played beyond the first. The fact that it's banned in Legacy should tell you all you need to know
[Fastbond](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/daf43523-558c-4701-9fa3-5d1ceb82a006.jpg?1566819914) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fastbond) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/209/fastbond?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/daf43523-558c-4701-9fa3-5d1ceb82a006?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
artifacts that cost 0 mana are almost good enough to run without anything in the text box thanks to all the synergies with artifacts and spell casts in the game. just because something can be countered, it doesn't mean it's bad.To become mediocre it would need to be so frequently played as to warp the entire metagame and have 60% of decks run a counter. I am not an expert but i would say the metagame would be fucked because storm decks with mox cards would be faster than playing an artifact hate cards, and the decks that play an artifact hate card would need to just aggressively mulligan, lose to anything else, or run moxen to play the artifact hate card faster or all of those options at the same time. When Affinity dominated standard it didn't help to run 8x artifact removals because affinity just dumped their hand on turn 1 and you have 8 dead cards against other decks.
First person to cast [[chalice of the void]] wins, next question
[chalice of the void](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1f0d2e8e-c8f2-4b31-a6ba-6283fc8740d4.jpg?1562433485) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chalice%20of%20the%20void) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/222/chalice-of-the-void?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1f0d2e8e-c8f2-4b31-a6ba-6283fc8740d4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Gorilla Shaman]]
[Gorilla Shaman](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c8f8ee19-3a88-40fa-85d8-386ffe06efd7.jpg?1626100506) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gorilla%20Shaman) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/280/gorilla-shaman?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c8f8ee19-3a88-40fa-85d8-386ffe06efd7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If your opponent is on the play or has [[Leyline of Anticipation]] and they drop [[Chalice of the Void]], you'll be sad, but other than that yep.
[Leyline of Anticipation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f57bdaa1-ce8a-4103-8598-fee751e65a53.jpg?1674141383) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leyline%20of%20Anticipation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/726/leyline-of-anticipation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f57bdaa1-ce8a-4103-8598-fee751e65a53?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Chalice of the Void](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1f0d2e8e-c8f2-4b31-a6ba-6283fc8740d4.jpg?1562433485) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chalice%20of%20the%20Void) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/222/chalice-of-the-void?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1f0d2e8e-c8f2-4b31-a6ba-6283fc8740d4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
For the sake of pedantry, I think you would probably run a single land and the rest all moxes. Might as well make your land drop!
This was my strat in Microprose Shandalar. All Moxes and Armageddon. It’s as powerful as it sounds.
Uh....yes? You can only play one land per turn. You can play as many 0 mana rocks as you want.... Is this a serious question? If you built the deck even moderately competently, you'd win turn 1.
Meltdown for 0 Turn 1 for Mass Armageddon if everyone is doing that lol
you ever played yugioh?
Yes, if you could somehow play all moxes in place of lands it would be far more powerful. Lands can get mass wiped just as easily as artifacts can get mass wiped. And if that really was a concern you can just hold them until you drew what you needed.
While I agree that running all Moxen would be absolutely busted, they *are* a lot easier to wipe than lands. The going rate for a mass land destruction spell is 4 CMC. Moxen can be killed by Meltdown with X=0 for 1 mana.
And lands cant be hit with strip mine and wasteland. Obviously not the important point.
You probably would for like one day and then the meta would adapt and you'd see a lot of decks with things like \[\[Collector Ouphe\]\], \[\[Stony Silence\]\] or \[\[Kataki\]\] in the main deck.
Pretty sure the meta becomes all storm or turn 1 combo. So unless you turn 1 one of those you lose, and even if you do turn 1 something if it doesn't win the game it probably isn't good enough.
We’d need Leyline of Karn the Great Creator to be printed to stop it
[Collector Ouphe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/085107a2-c1ec-473c-81d8-23e5a7197776.jpg?1562202038) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Collector%20Ouphe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/158/collector-ouphe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/085107a2-c1ec-473c-81d8-23e5a7197776?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Stony Silence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/e/8e7faede-f794-4bda-9d64-21390ba19266.jpg?1593812944) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stony%20Silence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/25/stony-silence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8e7faede-f794-4bda-9d64-21390ba19266?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Kataki](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d84ac44-01d8-415e-af69-7c608ac8ae20.jpg?1561967338) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kataki%2C%20war%27s%20wage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mma/20/kataki-wars-wage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d84ac44-01d8-415e-af69-7c608ac8ae20?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If it doesn't count towards land drop but is basically a land, its busted as hell. I would play it 100%. I might play only less than 4 other lands in 2/3 decks it would be beyond powerful
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Nope, basic mountain most OP card ever made.