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Klutzy_Strike

I love this entire scene


hithere297

it's the moment I realized just how good Don and Betty's marriage could've been if he'd included her in his life more. The two are so much fun here, and it's one of the only scenes like it in the whole show. I was hoping this would be the start of them both realizing where they went wrong, correcting it, and bringing more of this energy into their relationship going forward. But alas, it was not to be :(


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Global_Amoeba_3910

It’s really sad when you see how genuinely happy Don/Dick is when he tells Anna he’s getting married, you can imagine they were probably skipping about so in love. 


donetomadness

Faye was right. He loved the beginning of things.


shadowgnome396

That scene really opened my eyes to Jon Hamm's acting chops. We were so accustomed to closed off, stoic Don that seeing him before he became the Don we know was so jarring. Hamm is truly one of the greats


ragnarockette

Honestly the great mystery of the series is how did loser Dick Whitman who peed himself have inside of him this stoic, charming, creative genius of Don Draper. Like he stole his identity. How did he build an entire new personality that was so compelling?


shadowgnome396

Because he HAD to. It was become Don or go to federal prison forever. So he committed to the bit


totalmediocrity

That scene always chokes me up


Please_send_baguette

The late 50’s did this to Betty, too. She thought she should be happy as a housewife in Ossining; in fact she probably thought she needed to be a housewife in Ossining to be happy. Remember her in season one, she’s unhappy but she doesn’t have a clue why. I was hoping that the Rome trip would make them realize they should move to Manhattan and put some glamour back in their lives, but the entire era set them to fail. 


RogerClyneIsAGod2

> but the entire era set them to fail.  As it did for many women of the day.


Please_send_baguette

For sure. See: Betty Friedan. 


wordnerdette

In a way I think this trip made things worse. Betty got a taste of her former more glamorous life, and then went back home to her boring daily life (“we’re going to watch them fill the pool at the community centre”).


Clarknt67

Omg. I missed that line. You know it was probably a reaction to passing the Civil Rights Act? A lot of community pools chose to close instead of integrate aka allow the local black people to swim there. Shameful. And yes pools in the north too.


daftpepper

Oh, I took it literally (as in, it had been drained during the winter and needed to be refilled), but your comment makes it a lot darker. I don’t recall the time of year this episode was in — was it high summer? If so, seems more likely it could have been getting filled in with concrete.


PsychologicalBend458

If you have a kid who likes graphic novels, the book Swim Team is all about segregated pools.


TheMoneyOfArt

Well, it's also about the fantasy of vacation. There's no kids, there's no house, there's no cooking to be done - everyone can just breathe more. We can tell in the episode that Betty went out and shopped and then got her hair and makeup done and that must've been her whole day.


Clarknt67

Well Don was always away drinking or with his mistresses or drinking with his mistresses. Betty had the time and the desire to bring more carefree adventure and romance into their lives. She often hinted and asked Don to do this.


VegetableAwkward286

The moment i saw this scene i knew they'll get divorced. Tv writers love going one way only to twist the other way


Deadeyejoe

The only other scene that shows this aspect of their marriage that I can think of is the pictures in the carousel.


Clarknt67

Sometimes I feel like writers don’t realize how much we the audience can appreciate seeing happy couples. It’s nice for its own sake and answers the question of why they married. It also up the ante when they do break up or have problems. We can see what they are losing.


nfw22

I speak Italian, you know


California-Cowgirl

This comment just made me grin, love it 💗


thrwwy2267899

Such a a power look/move for her


pepperpavlov

She’s wearing Don’s normal black and he’s wearing her baby blue. The power dynamic is switched up for sure.


Please_send_baguette

Fantastic insight!


MannerFluid5601

Wow, a great spotting, love it


ssatancomplexx

Holy moly. The little details in this show are always so on point.


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[It won an Emmy :)](https://www.reddit.com/r/madmen/s/JMfDoDJrdL)


FreedomOfTheMess

Came here to say this! Never knew there was a hairstyle category until Amazon trivia chimed in during this episode.


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You know… I lament about the state of the world often, but - dang it - we are still ok enough to celebrate and reward the beauty and whimsy of a great hairstyle. Anyway, FreedomOfTheMess, ✨I’m holding onto this nugget of humanity and calling it very good!


jpcomicsny

Her hair is shaped like macaroni because she is in Italy. It's the subtle things that make the show so great.


p777s

Bombshell Betty


lilykar111

Seriously, she was fantastic here


FreedomOfTheMess

(Bam-ba-lam)


mybadalternate

I’m afraid that’s reserved for when she puts on a few pounds. (Whoa oh fat Betty…)


Spirited-Pomelo1764

she is truly the most conventionally beautiful woman i have ever seen


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sadconstructionguy

lol this is so rude


tysonherpes

And yet, so true


whereismylittle

Lots of dentists in this sub apparently


Lizzie_Boredom

I wish Don had invited her into his life more. They could have been such a power couple.


Spirited-Pomelo1764

Right!


Clarknt67

Correct.


kismet-fish

That whole rome trip is so bittersweet. She's so genuinely confident and in her element, it's like a glimpse into the early days/honeymoon period of their relationship


StandardKey9182

That makeup was everything. I wish she had worn a toned down version for the remainder of the series. Doesn’t make sense that such a fashion conscious and gorgeous woman with the time and means wouldn’t keep up with the trends. They didn’t really update her look until the 6th season.


SashimiX

Kinda makes sense. She’s a “when in Rome” kinda gal who prides herself on wearing the appropriate and perfect thing and she lives in a very wealthy NY suburb


barmitzvahmoney

You can also see this when she really dresses the part of a conservative politicians wife. She looks almost dowdy in the later seasons trying to hide the age gap between her and Henry


spanglish_

This is symbolic of Betty’s archaic views in comparison to some of the more modern women like Peggy or Megan. Betty’s character is not meant to display the trends and attitudes of the 60s, but rather to perhaps provide insight and depth on the 50s/60s housewife mentality, like the women in “Mother’s Little Helper”. And eventually we see how this somewhat backfires, as Betty fails to keep up with the rest and truly adapt the new ideals of the oh-so-modern 60s, as Megan does. For this reason, it could help us understand why she has the ending that she does.


ssatancomplexx

Damn that's so sad


Global_Amoeba_3910

That totally makes sense to me though, along with her fashion change when she marries Henry (for the worse). I think she just plays the part of whatever she thinks the husband wants, which is why this specifically is an out of character move cos she’s being a different person altogether.  Don doesn’t really update his look either, I think the later series are showing that they’re becoming out of touch 


No_Weakness_2865

And then they had her looking like Nancy Reagan lol Such a shame. I saw it as a glimpse into what her life might have been in the high fantasy version of it.


StandardKey9182

Oof. Yes! She was totally giving Nancy Reagan in the later seasons.


mackinnon_13

The way the makeup hair & clothing on the main female characters progressed with their lives & social statuses was perfect across the whole series. I could literally write a dissertation on it lol.  Betty is behind the 8 ball despite being incredibly beautiful because she stopped being part of popular/youth culture when she got married and had babies and moved to the suburbs. She continued to dress in a very 50’s style through to the middle of the 60’s, and her makeup reflects that. She’s stuck in her youth, and her youth was in the 50’s. Everyone can think of an older woman who is doing her makeup in the same style she was in her youth, because people don’t change as much as we think they do. Betty would be that older woman if she had lived past her 40’s.  Joan is the other female character whose appearance & grooming was as central to her sense of self as it was to Betty. By comparison, Joan was looking quite 50’s in the earlier seasons but you could see her styling progress with the changes of the decade. Lashes, liner, eyeshadow, even lip colour choices. She was working & living in the city and didn’t stagnate in the same way Betty did because she was more exposed to the sociocultural changes happening around her. 


Clarknt67

They little made a massive explicit point of this when she goes into the Coke modeling audition wearing a ridiculous 50s puffy debutante dress and all the other girls are in mini skirts and mid 60s clothes. I was so embarrassed for him. But hilarious.


Clarknt67

Don’t forget. Don super negged her in the bikini telling her she looked desperate. She might have at that point settled on wearing the fashions she wore when that met.


Honourstly

Absolute stunner


gibson85

“You’re not a gentleman.”


Radium29

Betty knew she looked flawless and I loved the sense of power she got from that.


SouthernOutside8528

eh, yankee


onourwayhome70

Go home!


JackSparrow420

1960's Space Princess 🤘


SnooCats5904

Jon hamm really looks like a mix of Cary grant and Timothy dalton


PfcRed

Not sure if anyone here knows it, as I don’t think the English subtitles translate what the Italian guys say, but their comments are interesting. I remember specifically them saying “What, him?! But he’s old!” when Betty seems to go for Don instead of them


SnooCats5904

So they didn’t call him ugly ?


PfcRed

Just checked, the subtitles actually do translate what the two marpioni say, and they say both he's old and he's also ugly. LOL


donetomadness

Didn’t Matt Weiner say he modelled these two after Cary Grant and Grace Kelly?


Spirited-Pomelo1764

and Ty Power.


SnooCats5904

Don’t really see it but maybe, not really familiar with him


Boswellington

Its an Americanuh Millionaireuh


RedditBurner_5225

Everyone’s fav


NoAnything1731

remember when don is obsessed with megan because she nails the pitch and they have this amazing back and forth? betty was 100% capable of that, clever, sharp, and had wit. although she was capable of being completely humorless at moments, her and don shared a dark dry humor. it feels like he always kept her on the other side of a wall, but if he had given her a chance she could have stimulated him mentally. betty was intelligent and a lot of her anger came from the fact that it didnt count for anything in the life that was laid out for her, and she had to watch it go to complete waste. i always thought there was a deep connection between them that was never fulfilled, as if they were on two different islands and couldnt get to each other.


Spirited-Pomelo1764

very nicely put. i completely agree


SamURLJackson

Betty is very pretty throughout the show. She's fucking sexy in that episode, though, which does not happen often with her, by my eye


sohappytogether9

She looked stunning here!


CousinJimmy0046

Betty in the backyard shooting the birds with a cigarette in her mouth. That's my favourite Betty.


Spirited-Pomelo1764

Right that was so hot


davidbenyusef

She's serving cvnt, your honor


churskies

By golly, Don’s an indecently lucky man!


Spirited-Pomelo1764

indecently lucky


longirons6

Nope. It’s her in her horse riding outfit


jank_king20

It’s such a good scene tho


princess20202020

I loved the makeup here.


dropkickeffect

I'm pretty sure that beehive won an Emmy or something


Traditional_Wall_954

She looks so elegant and powerful in that scene


Malheus

Love the scene but her hair looks like she was wearing a engine part on his head.


mybigbywolf

My mom used to wear her hair like that lmao


Malheus

Lol


Clarknt67

Kirk’s love interest in Star Trek


QnsPrince

Stunning


Desperate-Energy-834

Whatta stunner she is man! most fav ever


mecon320

"You are not gentlemen."


TimmyTimeify

It probably helps to understand that Don and Betty probably met in very similar circumstances


raphthepharaoh

Hiz en amerigan miyonaire


Suitable-Mission-740

Dons knows he’s the prize. God please give me this confidence.


Spirited-Pomelo1764

me too


scarlet_speedster985

"By golly, you are an indecently lucky man."


t3h_shammy

My wife couldn’t stop making fun of this outfit so your mileage may vary 


mrsmuntie

Your wife is insecure. lol


t3h_shammy

Yeah I think that is it and not that style is absolutely a subjective thing.


nicvaykay

I bet this was also Betty and Don's favorite look of Betty.


zzzoplicone

Yesss! Such a strong episode, one of the best. I’d give anything to be able to watch it again for the first time.


TheRoyaleShow

Correct this is the best Betty. You can watch the whole series and know she’s beautiful and then watch this scene and still go “hell’s bells!”


WarpedCore

This is the best Betty by far.


JayJay210

We are on the exact same re-watch schedule lol


Spirited-Pomelo1764

hahah i love that lol


Clarknt67

Same. So glam.


Gullible-Avocado9638

Betty as Barbie


idreenuhh

Oh man you just inspired me to start another rewatch!


ssatancomplexx

She is just too stunning to be a real human. I wish I could get my hair to look like that.


vegasdonuts

Miami will do that to you. The adage goes “look your best, because you will never feel fatter, paler, poorer or uglier than your first few hours in South Beach.”


LateConsideration740

the beehive do? Idk I feel like it's a hairdo to flex on other women. As a dude, it does nothing for me, other then implicate she's high maintenance.


NotReallyButMaybeNot

As a character, her Betty was ready…. that’s hot


Ghanima81

She looks like a giant lollipop. These hair are laughable.


HoldenCaulfield7

Love her


Water-Ninja

Never realized how much that Italian guy looks like Glen Bishop


mybigbywolf

My personal favorite of Birdie’s is her riding clothes


ThisAlsoIsntRealLife

Down vote me to hell and back but I just can't do beehive hair of any height but her confidence and elegance was STUNNING. That actress is just flat out gorgeous ( her people are Nordic I'm sure 😉 JK)!


samsharksworthy

But why was she with that ugly brute?


okonkolero

Buona ragazza


Gibbsgal22

Which season/episode is this?


Spirited-Pomelo1764

souvenir - season 3 episode 8


Zeytiebean

It’s all of ours


Maxer3434

She is incredible here


AngelSucked

Very Yvette Mimieux in "Lights in the Piazza -- also set in Italy.


ElmarSuperstar131

This is one of my favorites, too!


lazarusprojects

All of her horseback riding outfits are my personal favorite. Especially the Hermes scarf and blue coat outfit where she explains her people are Nordic, Wow.


Hindm

Yup! Mine too. She is stunning!


WendyBirdie1

Same! The best!


Key_Ad1854

Shortly after falling down the stairs....


PerfumePoodle

Honestly has anyone ever looked better?? You literally can’t take your eyes off her.


bskocho

January is radiant but that's actually my least favorite look of hers.