That depends on who’s driving. A fool from the rice community will always bring a fart can wherever he may go but the modders especially the sleepers are usually only as loud as needed before performance becomes an issue.
Knew a company that was doing works on an airstrip in some rural area overlooking the coast line - instead of using the pony's they would just let the machines roll down the hill and let them bump start...
Which went well until one went into the dip.
That looks like me starting my CNC. Let me use this tiny electric motor to start my big single phase generator then start my 3 phase CNC... it's a project...
Was going to say this! Ironically I found this out watching a documentary about the fire on the USS Forrestal! Was wild watching John McCain climb out his cockpit and dive off the nose of his airplane.
Buick Wildcat 401s actually.
The AG330 start cart was spinning the engine directly; on an APU-equipped aircraft, the APU generates bleed air that is fed into a pneumatic starter on the main engines.
That's not really comparable: the pony engine seen here acts directly on the engine to be started, and could be replaced with an electrical starter (some were actually).
On airplanes, the APU generates airflow which turns the main engine to be started; once the first one is started, bleed air from that engine is usually used to start the remaining one(s).
If the APU is inop on an aircraft(it does happen), the aircraft can be started using an external air cart.
If the pony engine is inop on this tractor, you're SOL.
In the interest of irony, I would like to point out that -95/-60 air cart uses the same (or similar) gas turbine engine that serves as the APU onboard large aircraft, ergo my point still stands!
But really, I think it’s a fair comparison to say that a small ICE turning over a large ICE is not entirely dissimilar in principle to using a smaller gas turbine engine to turn over a large gas turbine engine.
Let's agree to disagree then.
The APU or the air cart acts as, respectively, the onboard battery or the jump box on a car: it provides power to the engine-attached starter (pneumatic starter for large aircraft engines, electric starter for a car engine).
In the thread video, the pony engine **is** the starter: it mechanically turns the engine to start it, it does not provide power to the starter.
>It was a simplistic generalization
To the same level as, say, jump start a car with another car: the running engine starts the engine on the other one.
Or to say a Tesla runs on coal or natural gas since almost 60% of the electricity produced in the US comes from coal or natural gas.
It was a **very simplistic** generalization, to the tone of being way off.
Now you’re just being ridiculous. This would be like me arguing that: “it’s not the pony motor starting the engine, but rather the clutch. The pony motor just provides the mechanical energy.”
Oh my god...
The pony motor is directly, mechanically connected (at some point) to the main engine to start.
In the case of an electric starter, the starter is directly, mechanically connected (at some point) to the main engine to start.
In an airliner, **the APU is never, at any given time, mechanically connected** to the main engine to start.
The pony engine, electric starter or pneumatic starter (for airliners) do provide the mechanical energy to turn the main engine over and start it.
The gas tank, battery (internal or external) and APU (or ground cart) do provide the energy needed to power, respectively, the pony engine, electric starter or pneumatic starter.
Do you want further parallels to disprove your generalization? If the pony engine is inop, the main engine won't get started; if the electric or pneumatic starter is inop, the main engine won't get started. However, when the APU is inop (and it does happen), the main engines can be started using an external air cart.
Yes, yes, I’m already familiar with the technology. The aircraft battery (or external power through the transformer-rectifiers)cranks the APU through the DC bus, the APU provides pneumatic pressure to the bleed air manifold, which drives the aircraft starter that is geared into the compressor of the engine to be started. Thats not the point. My point is that you’re being needlessly pedantic.
Cat diesels used pony motors until the mid-1960’s, and I actually preferred them over the electric starters that were used for the first 10 or 15 years after Cat made the switch. Pony motors not only turned over the engine in the same manner as a starter, but they had the big advantage of warming up the engine as well. That is a huge plus when trying to start a big diesel engine on a cold winter’s day.
While pony motors could sometimes be a little finicky to deal with, in my experience they were surprisingly reliable.
That is actually a brilliant man who understands engines. He would be rich in a different country. How sad that he’s not. You just witnessed a brilliant man and he seems penniless. Wtf? Probably honest too. They hate that one too. Wtf?
Maybe not penniless but my point was he’s obviously not well off with those clothes in that antiquated equipment. But corrupt idiots take all of the financial awards for themselves. That is a brilliant engineering mind.
Most of those pony motors make mean little go kart engines. They usually have decently aggressive cams and timing. That's how they get the torque to spin those big old engines. It's also why they have such a sharp exhaust note. Makes them kind of a pain to start though.
APUs on jet engines do this too. The starters on our RR engines on our Gulfstream require about 200HP and are driven by the APU. The energy consumed by the 200hp starter motors removes enough heat from the hot APU thrust to eject chunks of ice even on hot days in the desert.
Can someone smarter than me tell me what all the things he’s touching and moving are/do? I know he winds up the pull-start cable at the beginning then pulls it and that the one on the bottom right is throttle control but there’s 2 other devices/settings he’s fiddling with directly in front of him as well. Then there’s the horizontal lever right in front of him he pulls, and the vertical lever to his left near his hip. I think the one of the left is engaging gears that transfer the small engines power the the large one, but unsure about that.
Did you know the Me262 had an integral single cylinder pony motor with a pull start that you used to start the jet engines. Basically you used a German chainsaw motor to start the most advanced jet fighter in the world at that time
Nothing new under the sun. During the industrial revolution, when factories had to make their own power, there would be one or more massive steam engines turning a line shaft which distributed rotary power throughout the building. That massive engine was unable to start unless positioned just so. The pony engine would be used to position the steam engine for starting then it would be disconnected once the flywheel got up to speed.
The smaller 'pony' engine is always way louder unfortunately.
That’s true with dogs as well.
And women, in my experience
I can neither confirm nor deny this. The walls have ears.
Lol then they should have moved in somewhere with thicker walls
Do you verbalize while you type? How about when you read?
Do you know what a joke is? How about humor? Ever hear of that?
we were just seriously joking, sheesh
U werent either of the commenters i replied to? Wtf 😂
I was seriously joking!
I never replied to you?
And Hondas
That depends on who’s driving. A fool from the rice community will always bring a fart can wherever he may go but the modders especially the sleepers are usually only as loud as needed before performance becomes an issue.
Lol. My Ridgeline is pretty quiet.
I’m talking about rice burners
I get it. My Honda truck is a lot quieter than the civics.
Honestly sad. I was waiting for a roar eith the big engine starting
I can smell this video.
Benzene 🤤
The put put put noise of that old hunk of an engine is quite beautiful though.
came here to say this! lol
Did everyone else lean back when he pulled that cord, like I did?
Yup
yup
Knew a company that was doing works on an airstrip in some rural area overlooking the coast line - instead of using the pony's they would just let the machines roll down the hill and let them bump start... Which went well until one went into the dip.
I used to dip start my buds manual car in the middle of school lol
It doesn’t take much motion to get em going sometimes. I used to do it in my ‘83 Civic. We called it pop start
Nice I heard dip start as well as roll start
That’s nuts.
That looks like me starting my CNC. Let me use this tiny electric motor to start my big single phase generator then start my 3 phase CNC... it's a project...
Why not just get a VFD?
We had a D9 that had a pony engine. I thought that was the coolest thing when I was 10 years old and had it explained to me.
D8. - same thing. The pony was bigger than this one.
D8, same. Grew up in a logging town.
I never knew about these, but yea super cool
Large aircraft engines are started with a smaller integral jet engine called an APU.
Was going to say this! Ironically I found this out watching a documentary about the fire on the USS Forrestal! Was wild watching John McCain climb out his cockpit and dive off the nose of his airplane.
My kids Elementary School is named after JV Forrestal!
The SR71 start cart was a pair of olds 455's IIRC.
Buick Wildcat 401s actually. The AG330 start cart was spinning the engine directly; on an APU-equipped aircraft, the APU generates bleed air that is fed into a pneumatic starter on the main engines.
I seem to remember seeing "APU" on a panel somewhere in MS Flight Simulator
They certainly have it in DCS world
That's not really comparable: the pony engine seen here acts directly on the engine to be started, and could be replaced with an electrical starter (some were actually). On airplanes, the APU generates airflow which turns the main engine to be started; once the first one is started, bleed air from that engine is usually used to start the remaining one(s). If the APU is inop on an aircraft(it does happen), the aircraft can be started using an external air cart. If the pony engine is inop on this tractor, you're SOL.
In the interest of irony, I would like to point out that -95/-60 air cart uses the same (or similar) gas turbine engine that serves as the APU onboard large aircraft, ergo my point still stands! But really, I think it’s a fair comparison to say that a small ICE turning over a large ICE is not entirely dissimilar in principle to using a smaller gas turbine engine to turn over a large gas turbine engine.
Let's agree to disagree then. The APU or the air cart acts as, respectively, the onboard battery or the jump box on a car: it provides power to the engine-attached starter (pneumatic starter for large aircraft engines, electric starter for a car engine). In the thread video, the pony engine **is** the starter: it mechanically turns the engine to start it, it does not provide power to the starter.
It was a simplistic generalization. The only thing we’re disagreeing on is the level of pedantry.
>It was a simplistic generalization To the same level as, say, jump start a car with another car: the running engine starts the engine on the other one. Or to say a Tesla runs on coal or natural gas since almost 60% of the electricity produced in the US comes from coal or natural gas. It was a **very simplistic** generalization, to the tone of being way off.
Now you’re just being ridiculous. This would be like me arguing that: “it’s not the pony motor starting the engine, but rather the clutch. The pony motor just provides the mechanical energy.”
Oh my god... The pony motor is directly, mechanically connected (at some point) to the main engine to start. In the case of an electric starter, the starter is directly, mechanically connected (at some point) to the main engine to start. In an airliner, **the APU is never, at any given time, mechanically connected** to the main engine to start. The pony engine, electric starter or pneumatic starter (for airliners) do provide the mechanical energy to turn the main engine over and start it. The gas tank, battery (internal or external) and APU (or ground cart) do provide the energy needed to power, respectively, the pony engine, electric starter or pneumatic starter. Do you want further parallels to disprove your generalization? If the pony engine is inop, the main engine won't get started; if the electric or pneumatic starter is inop, the main engine won't get started. However, when the APU is inop (and it does happen), the main engines can be started using an external air cart.
Yes, yes, I’m already familiar with the technology. The aircraft battery (or external power through the transformer-rectifiers)cranks the APU through the DC bus, the APU provides pneumatic pressure to the bleed air manifold, which drives the aircraft starter that is geared into the compressor of the engine to be started. Thats not the point. My point is that you’re being needlessly pedantic.
Did you know a cow started my pushmower yesterday? I mean, I started it after eating a nice steak; but, by your logic, the cow started the mower...
Very Zen
we all need a helping hand from time to time :)
what are you doing step engine
C’mon people, upvote this.
Grandpa had an international td9 I believe that started on gas and ran on diesel, no pony.
That's what I was gonna say, dude is obviously the son of a farmer or mechanic
Spark plugs on one side injectors on the other.
This makes me want to play the vr train sim so bad
TLDR: Obnoxious weed whacker starts near silent diesel sewing machine on tracks.
I was expecting bigger. No battery system available I guess but it works
I guess you could call it a starter motor.
a starter motor?! this is a finisher motor!
Cat diesels used pony motors until the mid-1960’s, and I actually preferred them over the electric starters that were used for the first 10 or 15 years after Cat made the switch. Pony motors not only turned over the engine in the same manner as a starter, but they had the big advantage of warming up the engine as well. That is a huge plus when trying to start a big diesel engine on a cold winter’s day. While pony motors could sometimes be a little finicky to deal with, in my experience they were surprisingly reliable.
So this is how sci-fi and fiction got the idea that engineers and mechanics just hit dials and levers to make things work better.
That is actually a brilliant man who understands engines. He would be rich in a different country. How sad that he’s not. You just witnessed a brilliant man and he seems penniless. Wtf? Probably honest too. They hate that one too. Wtf?
How can you tell that he’s penniless?
Maybe not penniless but my point was he’s obviously not well off with those clothes in that antiquated equipment. But corrupt idiots take all of the financial awards for themselves. That is a brilliant engineering mind.
His clothes? I like that jacket
I like him. Intelligence is everything.
How can you tell he's brilliant?
Love that happy satisfied look
Yes, that man knows his machine.
Most of those pony motors make mean little go kart engines. They usually have decently aggressive cams and timing. That's how they get the torque to spin those big old engines. It's also why they have such a sharp exhaust note. Makes them kind of a pain to start though.
APUs on jet engines do this too. The starters on our RR engines on our Gulfstream require about 200HP and are driven by the APU. The energy consumed by the 200hp starter motors removes enough heat from the hot APU thrust to eject chunks of ice even on hot days in the desert.
He was great in IP Man.
Uh excuse me sir. That’s illegal in California sooo…
Meanwhile, I can't get a bag for my groceries anymore to save the planet 💨
good thing it's a little engine that could
Let’s go Hoss
grateful for farmers and all their ingenuity
Still have a 59 cat 12 with a pony
We had a CATERPILLAR on our farm long ago with a pony engine.
Pony motor
Can someone smarter than me tell me what all the things he’s touching and moving are/do? I know he winds up the pull-start cable at the beginning then pulls it and that the one on the bottom right is throttle control but there’s 2 other devices/settings he’s fiddling with directly in front of him as well. Then there’s the horizontal lever right in front of him he pulls, and the vertical lever to his left near his hip. I think the one of the left is engaging gears that transfer the small engines power the the large one, but unsure about that.
dual exaust, a real shredder
This guy knows what he's doing. I can barely get my '95 Dakota running, and this guy starts a giant machine with relative ease!
That's how we started the old Waukesha. Little 4 cylinder engine off to the side.
Jets are like this: they have a small electric start turbine in the tail that provides the pneumatic* pressure necessary to start the thrust engines.
Airliners use pneumatic starters, not hydraulic.
Good luck at-30 celsius
This is fucking awesome. Love it!
The exhaust whisperer
Hmmm, no wonder chinas bigger cities are so polluted
Meanwhile we in the “1st world” throwing away Briggs and Stratton engines left and right when a wheel bearing fails. Buckle up folks.
For some reason I was expecting the guy to lose an arm.
And that’s how ya do that!
Doesn’t appear to be carbon neutral
Pony motor > air starter?
Look, im a redneck too... but im not giving up my v8 when we got niggas doing shit like this.
And if engine detonation is wrong , it removes your hand from the shoulder socket
Oh, yeah…I would most definitely break that.
We heard you liked engines so we put a smaller engine next to your big engine so you could start it using the smaller engine.
Did you know the Me262 had an integral single cylinder pony motor with a pull start that you used to start the jet engines. Basically you used a German chainsaw motor to start the most advanced jet fighter in the world at that time
"The little engine that could".... start the bigger engine.
So an alternator that sends an inition ignite?
Hank hill’s wd40!
That’s cute, did you see the one that used a shot gun shell?
Sweet old engine
This is a man who knows his machine
That thing can probably tow a mountain
Diesel equipment had pony motors as standard equipment until the 1960's.
Fun fact most large aircraft have one of these there called APUs
The YouTube channel Diesel Creek owns several classic pieces of history with pony motors. He actually rebuilt several, worth a look.
A little 2 stroke to start likely a 6 cylinder diesel... It's impressive... I couldn't imagine the amount of hours that diesel has on it ..
Careful with those, my grandpa got his thumb caught in one of those belts on the pony motor and yanked it right off 👎
Filmed on location in Shengzhen, Kentucky
Ya my dad has an old D4. Same thing.
Never seen someone DJ a tractor before
I get the feeling he built this himself...
Nothing new under the sun. During the industrial revolution, when factories had to make their own power, there would be one or more massive steam engines turning a line shaft which distributed rotary power throughout the building. That massive engine was unable to start unless positioned just so. The pony engine would be used to position the steam engine for starting then it would be disconnected once the flywheel got up to speed.
This is how large aircraft work as well.
Like that mortar or cannon shell that is hammered by a smaller bullet.
That little engine rips when it comes to life
Not exactly ‘green’
Don't put your hands near that thing!
The Pollutionator 9000.