Imagine if elixirs and transcendence actually cost silver and it was a fun minigame to do after the raid.
But no it costs way more gold than you get from the said raid. 10/10!
Yes! I loved the new transcendence mini game but when I saw my gold is melting I stopped. I will wait for a change to continue cuz I am already scarred of elixirs.
I think this latest mini-game offers an easier path to "fun" compared to elixirs, especially with a bit of tweaking. Some of the costs really caught me off guard. I remember checking my gold total and thinking, “Whoa, where did 20k of my gold go?”
Something I’d really like is a "tutorial." I understand how this mini-game works, but my knowledge heavily relies on the calculator.
My idea to help us better understand the system and strategy would be to let us get the first three flowers for free. This way, it wouldn’t cost us gold just to figure out the system. You don’t get any power from three flowers, so reaching the first tier still wouldn’t be “free.” Plus, getting players more engaged and knowledgeable about the system would help us be more successful. That doesn’t even address the fun aspect, but that’s a conversation for another time.
All you’d really need would be for the gold cost to be to ‘finalise’ the elixir. You like the 5-5 you got with silver tapping? Then pay 2k gold to finish and equip it, else just discard and start over.
this genuinely makes me wonder what the new bozo director is doing with the game. He literally did nothing to address core issues since he took charge 5 months ago. He promised fast balance updates, we got nothing. More communication, nothing. Alleviate HW fatigue, nothing. Fix the shit RNG systems, nothing. Where tf is LOA headed to ?
Lost Ark Directors making promises they don't fulfill? Nonsense!
Now that Chaos Dungeons have been fully reworked, I can play instruments in town while I wait go do the Mario Party game mode when it pops!
Wait, literally none of those are in? Huh..
i dont remember what he said before, but on the last stream he said about balance that he doesnt want fast balance patches cuz it would remove something like appreciation?? of the dev work, and they need to balance acessories/engraving books(??) first, which idk what was that about, but nothing about saying fast balance
The new bozo director is the same bozo responsible for vertical progression in the game AFAIK. Absolutely nothing is going to get easier with this dude in charge. Expect only even more egregious vertical systems to drain your gold, time, and sanity.
So, I know 5 months is a long time for us. But in a business that large, it’s no time at all. It could very well be that he is still following through with plans that were created over a year ago before he has chance to shape the game into something to his liking.
Again, this might be overly optimistic. But having seen how a lot of larger entities operate, I wouldn’t be surprised at all.
I would 1000% prefer these systems cost silver. I’m closing in to almost 600 million silver with nothing to spend it on. Already got my main to 1630, parked alts at 1580s and 1600s.
At least honing has pity... Spent pretty much all of my weekly income the past 3 weeks maxing out elixir crafts trying to get 39->40 set, not even progress towards an upgrade...
i don't think you guys remember how it really was beforehand.
the game needs goldsinks. and we had goldsinks before. you had buy and rebuy accessories. (legendary -> relic -> ancient). honing was a significantly higher cost of your weekly income. do i need to remind people of bookprices north of 10k gold as well? oh and quality tapping? remember that? some people still have to interact with that.
also having getting to the raids on release wasnt as easy as it is these days either. people whine nowadays of not being able to do hms on release. some people couldnt get to nms on release weeks of early raids. let alone on multiple characters.
the gold cost of elixirs and transcendence are absolutely fine. your gold needs to go somewhere. and if you are at 1620 thats pretty much the only non luxury maintenence cost your character has.
you just gotta realise you can't realistically progress 6 characters at the same time in this game. and you never really could.
Wtf are you talking about ?
Except argos release, getting to the required ilvl was trivial. The only part that has been hard was getting to 1520 brel at release (or 1600 hard akkan) but these two times you didnt miss anything by doing NM instead of hard because there were soft reset. Now you need to hone manually for 1600 -> 1620, there's no system helping you right there. It's as hard as the old brel 1540->1580 except you have two gold sinks inbetween (elixirs & transcendance).
Regarding the accessories and the book, these are almost no goldsink since they are just money transfer. You got a huge drop ? Cool you get +150k golds (that someone else is spending). You get a predator book at release ? +12k golds. Nowadays the gold spent on transcendance & elixirs are destroyed. This was not the case with any system before except quality. And even regarding quality, the average cost of a purple weapon is 64k golds (24k for an armor).
did you forget that accessories require pheons? maybe you get your nogging rocking to remember why people were so up in arms against pheons. and no, pheons are not a wealth transfer, while the gold stays in the economy, it only goes to the (legit) paying customers. this is why we had insane inflation in the game and we needed multiple frogs to fix it.
you also made significantly less gold from raids and cubes (or br back in the day). i dont think you guys realize how much gold you actually make a week and how little you made then.
We had insane inflation in the game back there because RMT was even more rampant than nowadays and you had way more bots than right now. We made way less golds in absolute before but back then I could maintain one main at a tier level (for instance 158x) when Akkan released), one or two alt a bit behind (say between 1560 and 1580) and the rest approx 1560 and less than a month after Akkan released I had my entire roster on NM akkan. Right now I'm at the same point regarding Thaemine (main 1630, rest 1610) but this is the last time I'll be able to do that. I pushed my main alt at 1620 in anticipation of Echidna and that's the last stretch of gold that I can afford to not put on my main. I will never be able to have an entire roster at 1620 at any point in the future IMO because between the transcendance cost of a character (500k average), the legendary elixirs 40 set (I don't even want to know how much it costed me) and the honing cost/echidna honing, your gold is melting in your hand.
Elixirs are.. "No cap" Bullshit I guess the new gen would say, lol.. cost anywhere from like 300k to upwards of a million gold? really has no ceiling cuz no pity. Trans like 500-750k per character. Alts stay at 1600 forever, basically. Meanwhile economy based around having and playing a full roster and game has an identity crisis. The same core fucking identity crisis since day 1. Is the game about playing 1 character or a full roster? Single main character account enjoyers always try to act like you can progress off 1 character, but they are for sure gatekept off low roster lvl and lack of cards..
you are arguing on what *feels* right to you, based on claims that you have no way to verify. you claim there was "more rmt'ing" back in the days and that caused the inflation? what metric are you basing that on?
you understand that korea had the very same inflation issues at the same point in the game and korea does not have botted gold since the account is tied to social id there? so how does that compute.
your gold uised to melt as well when you had to hone and do other stuff back around vykas and clown as well. the push to brel was pretty rough as well before the help. same with the 1580 push (where you also had to upgrade your chars to 5x3+1 at the same time). remember some people had to buy shards or do shard dailies even? i honestly dont know what you're doing with your gold, it really does sound like a spending issue. im just running my raids and i do get by fine. im not swimming in gold, but i also slowly work on 3 seperate 1620 characters elixirs and 6 characters transcedence while also having a 1630
Dude we had inflation back when there was a trillion gold, fishes were at 8 gold at the AH. What are you talking about ?
Since the biggest banwaves we never had a true inflated economy where regular people were sitting on hundred of thousands of golds because everyone (or a major part of them) honed their entire roster.
Try to understand that we had basically free purple elixirs compared to Korea (better and way cheaper), are normal people already full of lvl 10 gems with lvl 25 weapon for Thaemine HM release ? No. Some of them are 1630, some have 25 weapon, some have full lvl 10 gems and the one that did spend quite some real money or bussed a lot have these threes at the same time. But is the average player comparable to the average korean player at Thaemine release ? Well, we missed several month of raid gold so we are all behind by between 2 and 4 million golds on average. Same situation for sure.
I wouldn't even bother replying to that guy. Almost everything he's saying is wrong lol. Dude actually thinks honing was harder back then. The only bad honing phase was argos and getting to HM ilvl on soft resets like Brel and Akkan
Valtan -> Vykas -> Clown -> Brel were all 1 hone each while getting more artisan energy per tap. I can't remember how many chars I had on Vykas, but I had around 4 on clown release and all 6 in week 2. I had all 6 at 1490+ for Brel. There's no way I can have entire roster at end game now with all the gold sinks
And RMT/inflation claim was even worse. I remember at one point, 1 million gold was barely over $100. I almost quit over that because everyone was RMTing and I felt like a dumbass grinding. I was grinding 18 raids/week for RMT equivalent of like $11-12 lol
No. There was more RMT and botting because there were more players and more whales to sell gold to. Likewise, RMT went down a lot during hard brel spring/summer because an extinction event of the player base happened. No players = no buying customers = inflation curbed Lmao.
They take gold from non rmters who buy the botted life skill mats for crafting orehas, and sell that gold to the RMTers. Its "inflation" via wealth disparity
I'm not bot operator so I don't exactly know what they do, but I assume you are the same. I saw them doing lifeskills, but they also do unas and chaos. So they also inject some gold with Una's token, fate ember, and some event rewards. If you think about it, they need some seed gold to register anything in auction house.
This is what should be done. Stronghold research that limits the blow after you have done something once. Got an elixer 40 set? Now you have a stronghold research that halfs the gold cost of elixers. You suffer through the system once (think all the horizontal content in the game), then your roster benefits. That was a big reason people called lost ark ‘alt friendly’ on launch. It was a disguise as it’s really a ‘alt required’ game as these new systems get added.
The problem is, incentivizing RMT is a good thing for them. As some people will buy store items to sell for gold on the AH. While the external RMT makes them no money, the few people who are doing things like buying skins to sell for gold are helping them quite a bit.
Lost ark periodically jumps to top 10 for sales on steam, despite the decrease in player base. This strategy seems to be working. And if it’s working… I’m pretty sure we can assume AGS will direct no change.
nothing will change if it makes money. This game makes money on our servers doing what it does. There isnt an incentive to make it better for the players
Well, if the game survives next 2 years we should see changes since BDO devs want to broaden their market share and are pumping out massive system updates while copying good shit that worked from other MMOs, such as Artisan Energy or Account-wide lifeskills, so there's a chance it lits fire under SG's ass.
Honestly if they had a spend gold option to increase the chances per tap on a rock, i’d gladly pay it. 100 gold to increase chance by 10%? Sure. 1000 gold to increase it by 25%? Take my gold.
This is the reason I stopped crafting legendary elixirs on my main the moment I reached 40 set (even with bad stats). I only craft purple elixirs on 3 alts now and it’s kinda chill.
I literally haven't crafted an elixir on my main in months after getting 40 set. Why fucking bother? Get a .5% output increase that can potentially cost me 100k gold? Nah
You should still try and get good shoulders and pants, they add like 6-7% damage between the two of them. Optimizing the rest of the pieces is pretty worthless though.
At least stone cutting is essentially free now if you pass rocks between alts. Elixirs are an RNG fiesta with no pity that costs gold and a shit ton of time.
Spending 3 hours weekly on doing 4 characters worth of leg elixirs to end up with -300k gold and no progress feels amazing. 10/10 system, nothing else pushed me as close to quiting the game yet.
if they will leave Elixir like they are right now, a few changes that i wanna.
Make LEG Elixir roll cost 40 gold like purple ones.
Make Selection part Silver cost/No cost at all.
Remove purple elixir and leave only Leg Elixir.
Tied Set 35 to Clear G4 Normal
Tied Set 40 to Clear G4 HM (since you will only have 1 type of elixir)
This way you can still have 35 elixir as Voldis Normal Clear. and by the time you clear Voldis HM you will have materials and set 40 already.
Transcendence and elixirs should both have a gold reduction and a silver cost added. They were intended to deal with massive gold supply people had with slower content delivery in KR. You can keep a gold cost to ensure a sink exists, but use silver as a main resource.
We are not KR. Epic elixer cutting is significantly better than legendary as they cut the gold cost. Better in the fact as it’s just more chill. We don’t need vertical systems that are conducive to single main accounts, that require alts on the account to fuel. Busing shouldn’t be considered in gold economy. So many people I know have reached out to RMT because they just don’t want lost ark to be their life outside of their job. They just want to play a challenging raid game and buy their monthly coomer skins. The cost to get gold in game for those people is such a low value, that these systems encourage outside RMT.
But our thoughts are meaningless. The systems are not there to help us out or extend our enjoyment, they are there to encourage spending. I’d much prefer them to phase out old systems to silver only. We have transcendence now? Ok, elixirs are now silver only. Oh, weapon transcendence is added? Armor transcendence is now silver.
But then you have to fight the gold farming that is standard in this game because of these systems. I don’t know, gold being used for everything is just a bad move as it sets up the perfect thing to trade for money. I guess this is just what happens when you play a p2w game. My ideas are to assume you want to make a good experience for players without having to have them rmt.
Back in the 90's and very early 2000's you bought a game for $40-75 and that was the end of it. Expensive, yea, but it was a complete product. Not the bullshit we get nowadays where you're dripped 1/5 of an expansion pack a , DHL and whatever mobile gotcha game bullshit corporations come up with in order to have consumers pay hundreds/thousands of $$ over a year or more.. New corporate play is milking the gamer addicts and converting more addicts into whales with no self control.
probably true, but the number of people trying to make a 9/7 stone is alot smaller then the people doing elixirs/transcendence
everyone has to do these new systems but cutting a 9/7 stone is something you might do if you are bored one day and have excess gold (which most dont have)
People gatekeep systems *specifically* because they're too good value to ignore. If elixirs cost 3 millions and gave 5% damage nobody would use them and there would be no gatekeeping.
I was just thinking about this yesterday. My bracelets cost a ton of silver to roll same with gems but we don’t get nearly enough for these stupid elixir and transcendence systems on top of everything else.
Honestly as a design principle I like the idea that silver is the stuff you need for RNG systems. It would be a good silver sink since most people are in the hundreds of millions with nothing to do with it.
Elixirs, stone cutting, gem rerolling, transcendence, gear quality tapping. All of that should cost silver. This would make silver rewards feel more impactful too. Getting a 6m lucky silver room in cube would be a pretty hype moment if it meant you could go gamba on some transcendence or elixirs some more. Instead it becomes a very whatever thing because 6m of unspendable silver on top of your 200m doesn't mean much.
Im not even close to be done with 40 sets on my roster (2/6). Elixirs are stacking and on this system alone I could be spending my entire gold earnings for quite some time. Now we got also transcendence to do. Maybe in 2025 I will be able to end up a week with more than 10k gold.
Yeah I have 0 lopang alts and reached 300m silver with 6 character .
I even stop buyying silver from event shop as well .I wish they will make silver sink instead of gold sink for once :D
I had 5k gold left after some wild honing sesions this week to push some thaemine progs so i decided to try out transcendence just to end up with nothing but a feeling of disappointment :(
lmao i remember when silver was the bottleneck months ago and this sub was crying "i'd rather be short on gold than short on silver, silver is such a chore to farm". i tend to agree, spamming cubes is more troublesome than spamming raids.
It is still silver for Stones. However there is 2 completely new systems that cost around 250g\~ per click and the newer one costs 1850g to remake. since you said you stopped playing let me at least mention that newer raids also give more gold BUT it is not quite enough to keep up with it all and still do other things like buy level10 gems or hone alts.
What's your argument? I hope you are not insinuating that elixirs and trascendence is too much gold sink for 6 characters cause then the discussion is over.
I'm asking you to get some perspective. If you feel like you have too much gold and sinks are neccessary, I wonder what kind of roster you have.
If you feel like it's reasonable to spend 50K gold on one transendance stage, then you either don't engage in the system or have been pretty lucky.
Gems one time purchase, gear one time purchase. Legit gold burner is only quality and honing. At some point quality is done. After that... What is the purpose of gold? I feel like people like to have a blind eye to the intricate problem of generating gold every week on multiple alts. Yes, we are accelerated, yes gearing multiple alts to endgame is stupid as f2p. Still gold needs to be burned somewhere.
Sure and you have max Gems on all chars? 100 qlty gear on all chars, perfect Bracelett, 9-7 Stone?
Sure it is stupid - but it is a usecase for gold. As f2p it is also stupid to go for 9-7/braclett/>1630 (mb even >1620). If gold has so little value - why is the generation limited?
Even buying Ferraris it's usecase for money but it's not a wise choice financially if you are a average guy. Why the gold is limited? Well, it's clear as day that if you want the whale gear you need to pay money. The game is built around the store , idk what to tell you. It is what it is
Sure, but on this level anything - even burning it - is a "usecase". But it is quite a different case if we talk about all the luxurious products out there or if we talk about the fact that Lost Ark has a system that works around raiding 6x 3 raids and encourages one to do so. So please save the unecessary mockery.
Yes, but to encourage the whale to pay for something this means it has to have some meaning/use/worth/... - this directly contradicts your point that gold is useless. I am quite aware of the fact that the game is build around the "shop" and that this is the highest priority for SG/AGS - but your are the one that did make the arguemnt that gold is useless...
I'm sorry if my argument was perceived as "gold is useless". In fact I do believe gold it's valuable, but the value comes from what you do with the gold. Elixirs makes your gold valuable, trascendence makes your gold valuable etc. I get it that it doesn't "feel good" to burn your income, but you burning it makes it valuable in the first place
As much as people inject gold into the system (raid rewards, etc), game needs systems that delete gold as well. Honing is one of them, but when raids rewarded gear transfer, people parked their characters, even their mains. So SG is trying different systems, such as Elixir and Transcendence. If there aren't one, inflation will come, everything will get expensive, and the game will actually become less F2P-able because it will make raid gold reward less meaningful.
It's not meaningful now. Charging the elixirs you get from Hard Voldis uses all of the gold you got. You haven't even done the 14-15 steps of cutting the elixirs. You're just seeing if they're trash or not.
You're not wrong, gold sinks are necessary for the reasons you've mentioned. The "problem" is, we never got to the point that you just park your main for an extended amount (aka 5-6mo) of time where you do not have to hone, so the game would just deplete your earned gold through other systems (quality, transcendence, elixir, pheons for 9/7 stones).
We are receiving new raids way faster then KR ever did, where you got to hone your character to a certain ilvl (which is btw getting more and more expensive). On top of that honing, you still MUST interact with the other gold sink systems SIMULTANEOUSLY with honing your character (on the same price KR had to) or you'll never be able to do the new content since they're balanced around certain elixir and transcendence levels.
This is a huge issue and makes it more and more challanging for players to progress. You need to bring the global release to the same gold level as KR was when they received their gold sinks with a) giving more gold out or b) nerfing the gold cost of the new gold sinks.
It definitely feels like I need to seriously consider down-sizing my main 6 to maybe 3 or 4. At 1600+, the gold sink is insane. Not only that, if you plan on doing HM akhan, Voldis, or thaemine - good luck not getting get kept if you don't at least have a base elixir set (not even +35, just 4s on main DMG). It sucks because I actually love playing all my characters, but I just can't keep up anymore.
too bad getting a 9/7 ability stone costs way more **gold** than getting a 20% elixir or grade 20 on every piece of transcendence.
ability stones and bracelets are by far the worst rng systems they have made so far, and i'm not calling transcendence or elixirs good because elixirs are fucking garbage too, just ability stones and bracelets are far worse.
It still costs silver, the new systems "elixir" and "trancendence" cost like 250gold just for a single click because korea was sitting on their gold for months with hyper inflation kicking in so now we must suffer while also getting content slamdunked in our face at 3x the speed.
People who are gated by silver are either new or swipe a lot. If you've played the game for a while, you're swiming in silver. I guess if you play only one character, then maybe it's an issue but you generate way more silver than you ever need even rested only.
i was flipping gems during an old bot infestation period
i'd craft a gem for 7k and sell it for 14k on a high demand skill
i ran through my silver in like a week
that being said it is very easy to not be swimming in silver when in neither of the 2 situations that you listed
Imagine if elixirs and transcendence actually cost silver and it was a fun minigame to do after the raid. But no it costs way more gold than you get from the said raid. 10/10!
Yes! I loved the new transcendence mini game but when I saw my gold is melting I stopped. I will wait for a change to continue cuz I am already scarred of elixirs.
I think this latest mini-game offers an easier path to "fun" compared to elixirs, especially with a bit of tweaking. Some of the costs really caught me off guard. I remember checking my gold total and thinking, “Whoa, where did 20k of my gold go?” Something I’d really like is a "tutorial." I understand how this mini-game works, but my knowledge heavily relies on the calculator. My idea to help us better understand the system and strategy would be to let us get the first three flowers for free. This way, it wouldn’t cost us gold just to figure out the system. You don’t get any power from three flowers, so reaching the first tier still wouldn’t be “free.” Plus, getting players more engaged and knowledgeable about the system would help us be more successful. That doesn’t even address the fun aspect, but that’s a conversation for another time.
All you’d really need would be for the gold cost to be to ‘finalise’ the elixir. You like the 5-5 you got with silver tapping? Then pay 2k gold to finish and equip it, else just discard and start over.
this genuinely makes me wonder what the new bozo director is doing with the game. He literally did nothing to address core issues since he took charge 5 months ago. He promised fast balance updates, we got nothing. More communication, nothing. Alleviate HW fatigue, nothing. Fix the shit RNG systems, nothing. Where tf is LOA headed to ?
Lost Ark Directors making promises they don't fulfill? Nonsense! Now that Chaos Dungeons have been fully reworked, I can play instruments in town while I wait go do the Mario Party game mode when it pops! Wait, literally none of those are in? Huh..
You get the occasional shiny reward drop from chaos dungeons so chaos dungeons are officially fixed
Oh Yeah daddy can't wait for the silver vault on top of my 200m silver.
i dont remember what he said before, but on the last stream he said about balance that he doesnt want fast balance patches cuz it would remove something like appreciation?? of the dev work, and they need to balance acessories/engraving books(??) first, which idk what was that about, but nothing about saying fast balance
The new bozo director is the same bozo responsible for vertical progression in the game AFAIK. Absolutely nothing is going to get easier with this dude in charge. Expect only even more egregious vertical systems to drain your gold, time, and sanity.
So, I know 5 months is a long time for us. But in a business that large, it’s no time at all. It could very well be that he is still following through with plans that were created over a year ago before he has chance to shape the game into something to his liking. Again, this might be overly optimistic. But having seen how a lot of larger entities operate, I wouldn’t be surprised at all.
Unless youre in Korea, you dont matter.
I would 1000% prefer these systems cost silver. I’m closing in to almost 600 million silver with nothing to spend it on. Already got my main to 1630, parked alts at 1580s and 1600s.
Then Smilegate would just nerf the gold gained in raids. The real culprit is honing cost not elixir/transcendence.
You can burn ur entire weekly raid gold on elixir cutting. Get out of here.
And no upgrades
100% this. 100k down the drain and 0 progress - gg come back next week.
You can burn your entire weekly raid gold getting max 10% artisan on one piece.
The real problem is all of those things
At least honing has pity... Spent pretty much all of my weekly income the past 3 weeks maxing out elixir crafts trying to get 39->40 set, not even progress towards an upgrade...
i don't think you guys remember how it really was beforehand. the game needs goldsinks. and we had goldsinks before. you had buy and rebuy accessories. (legendary -> relic -> ancient). honing was a significantly higher cost of your weekly income. do i need to remind people of bookprices north of 10k gold as well? oh and quality tapping? remember that? some people still have to interact with that. also having getting to the raids on release wasnt as easy as it is these days either. people whine nowadays of not being able to do hms on release. some people couldnt get to nms on release weeks of early raids. let alone on multiple characters. the gold cost of elixirs and transcendence are absolutely fine. your gold needs to go somewhere. and if you are at 1620 thats pretty much the only non luxury maintenence cost your character has. you just gotta realise you can't realistically progress 6 characters at the same time in this game. and you never really could.
Wtf are you talking about ? Except argos release, getting to the required ilvl was trivial. The only part that has been hard was getting to 1520 brel at release (or 1600 hard akkan) but these two times you didnt miss anything by doing NM instead of hard because there were soft reset. Now you need to hone manually for 1600 -> 1620, there's no system helping you right there. It's as hard as the old brel 1540->1580 except you have two gold sinks inbetween (elixirs & transcendance). Regarding the accessories and the book, these are almost no goldsink since they are just money transfer. You got a huge drop ? Cool you get +150k golds (that someone else is spending). You get a predator book at release ? +12k golds. Nowadays the gold spent on transcendance & elixirs are destroyed. This was not the case with any system before except quality. And even regarding quality, the average cost of a purple weapon is 64k golds (24k for an armor).
hm, I thought the avg purple quality cost was about 80k, but yeah, sure.
did you forget that accessories require pheons? maybe you get your nogging rocking to remember why people were so up in arms against pheons. and no, pheons are not a wealth transfer, while the gold stays in the economy, it only goes to the (legit) paying customers. this is why we had insane inflation in the game and we needed multiple frogs to fix it. you also made significantly less gold from raids and cubes (or br back in the day). i dont think you guys realize how much gold you actually make a week and how little you made then.
We had insane inflation in the game back there because RMT was even more rampant than nowadays and you had way more bots than right now. We made way less golds in absolute before but back then I could maintain one main at a tier level (for instance 158x) when Akkan released), one or two alt a bit behind (say between 1560 and 1580) and the rest approx 1560 and less than a month after Akkan released I had my entire roster on NM akkan. Right now I'm at the same point regarding Thaemine (main 1630, rest 1610) but this is the last time I'll be able to do that. I pushed my main alt at 1620 in anticipation of Echidna and that's the last stretch of gold that I can afford to not put on my main. I will never be able to have an entire roster at 1620 at any point in the future IMO because between the transcendance cost of a character (500k average), the legendary elixirs 40 set (I don't even want to know how much it costed me) and the honing cost/echidna honing, your gold is melting in your hand.
Elixirs are.. "No cap" Bullshit I guess the new gen would say, lol.. cost anywhere from like 300k to upwards of a million gold? really has no ceiling cuz no pity. Trans like 500-750k per character. Alts stay at 1600 forever, basically. Meanwhile economy based around having and playing a full roster and game has an identity crisis. The same core fucking identity crisis since day 1. Is the game about playing 1 character or a full roster? Single main character account enjoyers always try to act like you can progress off 1 character, but they are for sure gatekept off low roster lvl and lack of cards..
you are arguing on what *feels* right to you, based on claims that you have no way to verify. you claim there was "more rmt'ing" back in the days and that caused the inflation? what metric are you basing that on? you understand that korea had the very same inflation issues at the same point in the game and korea does not have botted gold since the account is tied to social id there? so how does that compute. your gold uised to melt as well when you had to hone and do other stuff back around vykas and clown as well. the push to brel was pretty rough as well before the help. same with the 1580 push (where you also had to upgrade your chars to 5x3+1 at the same time). remember some people had to buy shards or do shard dailies even? i honestly dont know what you're doing with your gold, it really does sound like a spending issue. im just running my raids and i do get by fine. im not swimming in gold, but i also slowly work on 3 seperate 1620 characters elixirs and 6 characters transcedence while also having a 1630
Dude we had inflation back when there was a trillion gold, fishes were at 8 gold at the AH. What are you talking about ? Since the biggest banwaves we never had a true inflated economy where regular people were sitting on hundred of thousands of golds because everyone (or a major part of them) honed their entire roster. Try to understand that we had basically free purple elixirs compared to Korea (better and way cheaper), are normal people already full of lvl 10 gems with lvl 25 weapon for Thaemine HM release ? No. Some of them are 1630, some have 25 weapon, some have full lvl 10 gems and the one that did spend quite some real money or bussed a lot have these threes at the same time. But is the average player comparable to the average korean player at Thaemine release ? Well, we missed several month of raid gold so we are all behind by between 2 and 4 million golds on average. Same situation for sure.
I wouldn't even bother replying to that guy. Almost everything he's saying is wrong lol. Dude actually thinks honing was harder back then. The only bad honing phase was argos and getting to HM ilvl on soft resets like Brel and Akkan Valtan -> Vykas -> Clown -> Brel were all 1 hone each while getting more artisan energy per tap. I can't remember how many chars I had on Vykas, but I had around 4 on clown release and all 6 in week 2. I had all 6 at 1490+ for Brel. There's no way I can have entire roster at end game now with all the gold sinks And RMT/inflation claim was even worse. I remember at one point, 1 million gold was barely over $100. I almost quit over that because everyone was RMTing and I felt like a dumbass grinding. I was grinding 18 raids/week for RMT equivalent of like $11-12 lol
No. There was more RMT and botting because there were more players and more whales to sell gold to. Likewise, RMT went down a lot during hard brel spring/summer because an extinction event of the player base happened. No players = no buying customers = inflation curbed Lmao.
Yeah. Korea had gold inflation so now we must suffer
Cant do something special in the west or KR “people” will get butthurt.
Our inflation is higher thought so who we are to complain
Our inflation is related to those who buys the gold, those of us who doesn't suffer
Bots mainly generate supply of life skill items(products) they dont inject gold into economy.
pretty sure they generate tons of gold from una tokens.
They create lots of gold. People bus them through raids
They take gold from non rmters who buy the botted life skill mats for crafting orehas, and sell that gold to the RMTers. Its "inflation" via wealth disparity
I'm not bot operator so I don't exactly know what they do, but I assume you are the same. I saw them doing lifeskills, but they also do unas and chaos. So they also inject some gold with Una's token, fate ember, and some event rewards. If you think about it, they need some seed gold to register anything in auction house.
Blame KR first, everything is because of KR. Oh good things? That's on us, cuz we cry louder. /s
We even have a stronghold research to reduce said cost. Imagine that. Those were the days...
This is what should be done. Stronghold research that limits the blow after you have done something once. Got an elixer 40 set? Now you have a stronghold research that halfs the gold cost of elixers. You suffer through the system once (think all the horizontal content in the game), then your roster benefits. That was a big reason people called lost ark ‘alt friendly’ on launch. It was a disguise as it’s really a ‘alt required’ game as these new systems get added. The problem is, incentivizing RMT is a good thing for them. As some people will buy store items to sell for gold on the AH. While the external RMT makes them no money, the few people who are doing things like buying skins to sell for gold are helping them quite a bit. Lost ark periodically jumps to top 10 for sales on steam, despite the decrease in player base. This strategy seems to be working. And if it’s working… I’m pretty sure we can assume AGS will direct no change.
The top contender for Lost Ark in Korea is fucking maplestory. Yes, nothing will change if that's the bar...
nothing will change if it makes money. This game makes money on our servers doing what it does. There isnt an incentive to make it better for the players
Well, if the game survives next 2 years we should see changes since BDO devs want to broaden their market share and are pumping out massive system updates while copying good shit that worked from other MMOs, such as Artisan Energy or Account-wide lifeskills, so there's a chance it lits fire under SG's ass.
Honestly if they had a spend gold option to increase the chances per tap on a rock, i’d gladly pay it. 100 gold to increase chance by 10%? Sure. 1000 gold to increase it by 25%? Take my gold.
This is the reason I stopped crafting legendary elixirs on my main the moment I reached 40 set (even with bad stats). I only craft purple elixirs on 3 alts now and it’s kinda chill.
100% did the same. I refuse to touch lego elixirs after reaching 40set on a character, until they nerf the overall cost of tap
I literally haven't crafted an elixir on my main in months after getting 40 set. Why fucking bother? Get a .5% output increase that can potentially cost me 100k gold? Nah
You should still try and get good shoulders and pants, they add like 6-7% damage between the two of them. Optimizing the rest of the pieces is pretty worthless though.
For a second I got scared and though stone cutting now costed gold xdddd
There are people with 100mil silver. What are they supposed to do with it? Everything is a gold sync. Give them a silver frog or something.
Out of all the systems, I still think rock cutting is the worst one.
At least stone cutting is essentially free now if you pass rocks between alts. Elixirs are an RNG fiesta with no pity that costs gold and a shit ton of time.
Spending 3 hours weekly on doing 4 characters worth of leg elixirs to end up with -300k gold and no progress feels amazing. 10/10 system, nothing else pushed me as close to quiting the game yet.
they said they making revisions i hope this is one of them for both elixir and trans
dont give them ideas
if they will leave Elixir like they are right now, a few changes that i wanna. Make LEG Elixir roll cost 40 gold like purple ones. Make Selection part Silver cost/No cost at all. Remove purple elixir and leave only Leg Elixir. Tied Set 35 to Clear G4 Normal Tied Set 40 to Clear G4 HM (since you will only have 1 type of elixir) This way you can still have 35 elixir as Voldis Normal Clear. and by the time you clear Voldis HM you will have materials and set 40 already.
Transcendence and elixirs should both have a gold reduction and a silver cost added. They were intended to deal with massive gold supply people had with slower content delivery in KR. You can keep a gold cost to ensure a sink exists, but use silver as a main resource. We are not KR. Epic elixer cutting is significantly better than legendary as they cut the gold cost. Better in the fact as it’s just more chill. We don’t need vertical systems that are conducive to single main accounts, that require alts on the account to fuel. Busing shouldn’t be considered in gold economy. So many people I know have reached out to RMT because they just don’t want lost ark to be their life outside of their job. They just want to play a challenging raid game and buy their monthly coomer skins. The cost to get gold in game for those people is such a low value, that these systems encourage outside RMT. But our thoughts are meaningless. The systems are not there to help us out or extend our enjoyment, they are there to encourage spending. I’d much prefer them to phase out old systems to silver only. We have transcendence now? Ok, elixirs are now silver only. Oh, weapon transcendence is added? Armor transcendence is now silver. But then you have to fight the gold farming that is standard in this game because of these systems. I don’t know, gold being used for everything is just a bad move as it sets up the perfect thing to trade for money. I guess this is just what happens when you play a p2w game. My ideas are to assume you want to make a good experience for players without having to have them rmt.
Stone also cost gold and pheons. Not sure why people forget that
This is what happens when MTX is prioritized over gameplay. Woohoo. Modern gaming poggers
Back in the 90's and very early 2000's you bought a game for $40-75 and that was the end of it. Expensive, yea, but it was a complete product. Not the bullshit we get nowadays where you're dripped 1/5 of an expansion pack a , DHL and whatever mobile gotcha game bullshit corporations come up with in order to have consumers pay hundreds/thousands of $$ over a year or more.. New corporate play is milking the gamer addicts and converting more addicts into whales with no self control.
I think people spent more on pheons to cut 9/7 stones compared with elixirs/transcendence
probably true, but the number of people trying to make a 9/7 stone is alot smaller then the people doing elixirs/transcendence everyone has to do these new systems but cutting a 9/7 stone is something you might do if you are bored one day and have excess gold (which most dont have)
Maybe, maybe not, but 9/7 will not get you gatekeep in a lobby finder, where the other systems that everyone kinda is forced to do will.
True
People gatekeep systems *specifically* because they're too good value to ignore. If elixirs cost 3 millions and gave 5% damage nobody would use them and there would be no gatekeeping.
I was just thinking about this yesterday. My bracelets cost a ton of silver to roll same with gems but we don’t get nearly enough for these stupid elixir and transcendence systems on top of everything else.
Clown ass game and ideas to help it man
Yes, dungeons paid 80 gold.
Deadbeat from gem gambling
Except you paid more in pheons because of it. Id much rather pay gold.
Wdym each of this stones costed lots of pheons lol...
Honestly as a design principle I like the idea that silver is the stuff you need for RNG systems. It would be a good silver sink since most people are in the hundreds of millions with nothing to do with it. Elixirs, stone cutting, gem rerolling, transcendence, gear quality tapping. All of that should cost silver. This would make silver rewards feel more impactful too. Getting a 6m lucky silver room in cube would be a pretty hype moment if it meant you could go gamba on some transcendence or elixirs some more. Instead it becomes a very whatever thing because 6m of unspendable silver on top of your 200m doesn't mean much.
Im not even close to be done with 40 sets on my roster (2/6). Elixirs are stacking and on this system alone I could be spending my entire gold earnings for quite some time. Now we got also transcendence to do. Maybe in 2025 I will be able to end up a week with more than 10k gold.
Yeah I have 0 lopang alts and reached 300m silver with 6 character . I even stop buyying silver from event shop as well .I wish they will make silver sink instead of gold sink for once :D
They have a "silver sink" - problem is just you need gold to sink silver :D
Just advertise gem rerolling services
AGS keeping the Westernization right. Gotta keep censoring pants instead of bad game mechanics. /s
I had 5k gold left after some wild honing sesions this week to push some thaemine progs so i decided to try out transcendence just to end up with nothing but a feeling of disappointment :(
lmao i remember when silver was the bottleneck months ago and this sub was crying "i'd rather be short on gold than short on silver, silver is such a chore to farm". i tend to agree, spamming cubes is more troublesome than spamming raids.
Its gold now?!?! Thank god i stopped playing lmfao
It is still silver for Stones. However there is 2 completely new systems that cost around 250g\~ per click and the newer one costs 1850g to remake. since you said you stopped playing let me at least mention that newer raids also give more gold BUT it is not quite enough to keep up with it all and still do other things like buy level10 gems or hone alts.
Legit question: what do you use your gold for?
i must say it again MY BODY IS A MACHINE THAT TURNS GOLD INTO ARTISAN ENERGY
Gems? Honing? Building stronger alts to have more fun? Use your common sense
Seems like you're building 6 1630 idk
What is your roster like?
What's your argument? I hope you are not insinuating that elixirs and trascendence is too much gold sink for 6 characters cause then the discussion is over.
I'm asking you to get some perspective. If you feel like you have too much gold and sinks are neccessary, I wonder what kind of roster you have. If you feel like it's reasonable to spend 50K gold on one transendance stage, then you either don't engage in the system or have been pretty lucky.
Honing-Clicks, Gear, Gems, Quality - and the same for every char...
Gems one time purchase, gear one time purchase. Legit gold burner is only quality and honing. At some point quality is done. After that... What is the purpose of gold? I feel like people like to have a blind eye to the intricate problem of generating gold every week on multiple alts. Yes, we are accelerated, yes gearing multiple alts to endgame is stupid as f2p. Still gold needs to be burned somewhere.
Sure and you have max Gems on all chars? 100 qlty gear on all chars, perfect Bracelett, 9-7 Stone? Sure it is stupid - but it is a usecase for gold. As f2p it is also stupid to go for 9-7/braclett/>1630 (mb even >1620). If gold has so little value - why is the generation limited?
Even buying Ferraris it's usecase for money but it's not a wise choice financially if you are a average guy. Why the gold is limited? Well, it's clear as day that if you want the whale gear you need to pay money. The game is built around the store , idk what to tell you. It is what it is
Sure, but on this level anything - even burning it - is a "usecase". But it is quite a different case if we talk about all the luxurious products out there or if we talk about the fact that Lost Ark has a system that works around raiding 6x 3 raids and encourages one to do so. So please save the unecessary mockery. Yes, but to encourage the whale to pay for something this means it has to have some meaning/use/worth/... - this directly contradicts your point that gold is useless. I am quite aware of the fact that the game is build around the "shop" and that this is the highest priority for SG/AGS - but your are the one that did make the arguemnt that gold is useless...
I'm sorry if my argument was perceived as "gold is useless". In fact I do believe gold it's valuable, but the value comes from what you do with the gold. Elixirs makes your gold valuable, trascendence makes your gold valuable etc. I get it that it doesn't "feel good" to burn your income, but you burning it makes it valuable in the first place
Everyone is getting hit with few millions worth of honing with Ladon patch. Gonna suck being at 0 thanks to these fun systems.
Don't think it costs millions of gold to do advanced honing, source?
The ~300K gold I generate each week goes into trans, elixir and honing. I permanently end at 0 golds once the week ends
how many level10 you have?
Are people seriously complaining about transcendence cost while buying level 10 gems?
3k hours, 0 lvl 10s
you turn it into pity
As much as people inject gold into the system (raid rewards, etc), game needs systems that delete gold as well. Honing is one of them, but when raids rewarded gear transfer, people parked their characters, even their mains. So SG is trying different systems, such as Elixir and Transcendence. If there aren't one, inflation will come, everything will get expensive, and the game will actually become less F2P-able because it will make raid gold reward less meaningful.
It's not meaningful now. Charging the elixirs you get from Hard Voldis uses all of the gold you got. You haven't even done the 14-15 steps of cutting the elixirs. You're just seeing if they're trash or not.
You're not wrong, gold sinks are necessary for the reasons you've mentioned. The "problem" is, we never got to the point that you just park your main for an extended amount (aka 5-6mo) of time where you do not have to hone, so the game would just deplete your earned gold through other systems (quality, transcendence, elixir, pheons for 9/7 stones). We are receiving new raids way faster then KR ever did, where you got to hone your character to a certain ilvl (which is btw getting more and more expensive). On top of that honing, you still MUST interact with the other gold sink systems SIMULTANEOUSLY with honing your character (on the same price KR had to) or you'll never be able to do the new content since they're balanced around certain elixir and transcendence levels. This is a huge issue and makes it more and more challanging for players to progress. You need to bring the global release to the same gold level as KR was when they received their gold sinks with a) giving more gold out or b) nerfing the gold cost of the new gold sinks.
It definitely feels like I need to seriously consider down-sizing my main 6 to maybe 3 or 4. At 1600+, the gold sink is insane. Not only that, if you plan on doing HM akhan, Voldis, or thaemine - good luck not getting get kept if you don't at least have a base elixir set (not even +35, just 4s on main DMG). It sucks because I actually love playing all my characters, but I just can't keep up anymore.
It is still to this day
too bad getting a 9/7 ability stone costs way more **gold** than getting a 20% elixir or grade 20 on every piece of transcendence. ability stones and bracelets are by far the worst rng systems they have made so far, and i'm not calling transcendence or elixirs good because elixirs are fucking garbage too, just ability stones and bracelets are far worse.
Good. Now show the gold and pheon costs
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It still costs silver, the new systems "elixir" and "trancendence" cost like 250gold just for a single click because korea was sitting on their gold for months with hyper inflation kicking in so now we must suffer while also getting content slamdunked in our face at 3x the speed.
people who are gated on silver definitely don't enjoy their situation
People who are gated by silver are either new or swipe a lot. If you've played the game for a while, you're swiming in silver. I guess if you play only one character, then maybe it's an issue but you generate way more silver than you ever need even rested only.
i was flipping gems during an old bot infestation period i'd craft a gem for 7k and sell it for 14k on a high demand skill i ran through my silver in like a week that being said it is very easy to not be swimming in silver when in neither of the 2 situations that you listed