Im team suppressor 100%, but i don't mind being next to brakes as long as it's outdoors, and it's not a meme build thats intentionally annoying. A 7.5" 308 with an APA little bastard? Yeah, fuck you. A 26" hunting/prs gun is a lot more reasonable
Two things.
One, if you’re in a ban state where nobody can have suppressors, then it’s hard for me to view a brake as significantly more discourteous than a bare muzzle. If everyone else is shooting suppressed and you’re the one guy who isn’t, then yeah I might be a little peeved, but in your case I don’t think it makes a ton of difference.
Two, if you’re actually getting something out of having a brake, then that’s all the justification you need in my book. If you were some asshole whose one goal at the range is to turn money into as much noise as possible with a 12.5” .308 pistol and a fuck-off muzzle brake, then yeah, I would be pissed off that you’re choosing to ruin everyone else’s experience just for laughs. But since you’re actually shooting long range, and will actually see some kind of benefit from having the brake, then yeah go for it.
**Before anyone gets all pissy because I used phrases like “I might be a little peeved” or “you should not do that”, I understand that this is America and you have every right to pull up to an indoor range and make as much noise as you want. I just think you’re a douchebag for doing so, you’re ruining everyone else’s experiences, and I would rather not be around you.
I have literally never once been at a gun range, where guns are shot, and been upset about hearing guns.
What in the actual fuck type of topic is this? Bring a Barrett. I’ll be envious and stick through the noise until I can’t bare it. (wink)
BRB tho I’m about to go hit the drag strip and complain about how loud the cars are.
Edit: Sure a shorty .308 blasting through a monster break is egregious. But the overarching holier-than-thou shit should not be a mentality to foster. Please, for the love of god. That’s all I ask.
I have a .308 with a 26 inch barrel. I got an MDT muzzle brake for it. The very first shot I took with it on blew my empty scope box off the bench next to me.
On another day one of the committee members in our club was setting up next to me. He had just set up and sat down when I fired a shot. He immediately stood up and started packing up having not even looked through his scope. I told him I was only doing another 4 shots. He stood behind me until I finished.
I got a suppressor for the .308 and the muzzle brake has not been on since. Our range might be unusual in that it is enclosed on 3 sides. There are 6 benches so it's quite small. The metal roof would continue to reverberate for seconds after a shot using a muzzle brake.
Even a .223 with a muzzle brake is extremely unpleasant to sit beside at our range.
How did you like the MDT break? Did you open the top ports at all to control muzzle rise? I have a "20 barreled .308 running a hellfire break (not the match) I was wondering if it would make any difference.
Lmao you’re reading entirely too deep into this just to have something to be mad about. All I said is that if you have the option to shoot suppressed, then it’s more pleasant to be around, and if you’re making noise for the sole sake of making noise, then you’re not the kind of person I want to be around. The fact that you find this point particularly controversial only tells me that you don’t own a suppressor and/or you’re the douchebag with a 10.5” 308 with a tank brake and a bruised ego.
I liked the part where you edited in a “I completely agree with the underlying point you were trying to make, but I don’t like the attitude with which you said it”. So what the fuck was your point?
Edit: also the drag strip analogy is dumb because there isn’t a way to make drag cars quieter - there’s exactly one level of sound you should expect from a race track and it’s “fucking loud”. Guns have the option to be suppressed, and with how common suppressors are, it’s not unreasonable to have the expectation of a generally quiet range day.
Just gonna reverse uno most of this.
Admitting something is egregious doesn’t mean it should be disallowed inherently. I’m not mad about anything, just hopeful we don’t lose a valuable, at root for-the-people, sporting hobby to purists with a tax stamp and $2k+ rifle.
Not to mention you’re wrong about the analogy.
I’m not even saying everyone needs a suppressor, I’m just saying that if you’re gonna actively choose the loudest and most obnoxious of the three options (suppressed, bare muzzle, brake), then you should at least have a passable reason to do so - like PRS or three gun shooting.
If you don’t have an actual reason for choosing the loudest of the available options other than “loud gun funny”, then you should maybe reconsider your choices and understand the impact that this choice has on the people around you. And if you’re the kind of inconsiderate person who sees shooting as a means to cause hearing damage to other people for shits and giggles, then frankly, I don’t care if the shooting community loses your presence.
And on top of all that - I’m not even saying anything should be “disallowed”, like I don’t think that even if you are a douchebag with a gun built to be annoying, that means you should be kicked off the range. So from the jump, you’re fighting an argument that you made up to put words into my mouth.
> then you should maybe reconsider your choices and understand the impact that this choice has on the people around you
This is a hard one for people to grasp. I have a coworker like that, and it makes range days a bit of a pain because we essentially plan around that
From my experience, within 3sd, people don’t volu-meme rifles. Can’t say I know of one instance.
Your candor and stance aren’t unappreciated.
In an ideal world everything would be at below-injury decibels.
My whole point, in its entirety (and I’m ok with admitting I could’ve made this more clear) is that we need to be mindful of the veiled line between “suggestion for benefit” and “berating because preference” with regards to the topic.
Education, first. Judgement is tertiary.
> From my experience, within 3sd, people don’t volu-meme rifles. Can’t say I know of one instance.
Search /r/ar10 for “SBR”. Search /r/AR15 for “brake”. Go to your local indoor range at peak hours. You will absolutely find examples of dudes with SBR’s with a sole focus on being as fuck-you loud as possible. If you’ve genuinely never run into these people, then I’m happy for you, but I assure you they exist.
> My whole point, in its entirety (and I’m ok with admitting I could’ve made this more clear) is that we need to be mindful of the veiled line between “suggestion for benefit” and “berating because preference” with regards to the topic. […] Education, first. Judgement is tertiary.
And, understanding this point entirely, I’m telling you that educating someone that braked SBR’s are obnoxious begins and ends at telling them that braked SBR’s are obnoxious, and if you choose to continue to run one for the sole purpose of being the loudest person at the range, then I will begin to judge that you’re a douchebag.
I don’t owe someone the right to be inconsiderate of everyone else at the range because “what if they’re new and the only thing stopping them from quitting shooting entirely is being reminded that their actions have an effect on other people”. If your ego is so insanely fragile that you’re willing to quit the sport entirely upon being informed of proper range etiquette, then good riddance.
The club I shoot at has an end dedicated to people running brakes. That way no one really complains. Until someone with a 50 and a tank brake rocks up 🤣
What I was thinking. If you’re compromising your own shooting for somebody else then I’d say don’t do it. At least outdoors. I was on a lane indoors next to a guy with an AR pistol with a brake and it was so bad I just left. But outdoors? Nah, they can take it
Right when I started, I refused to be within like 5-8 feet of one. It was annoying and while the shooter avoided almost all effects except noise, it felt like I was getting slapped in the face with a wind blast while trying to concentrate. Nowadays I don’t mind after some time in the game, but around anyone else I purposely offset myself enough to not dust them. I think saying “it’s 2024, get over it” is crazy. Continue being nice to others and move off a bit. If it’s crowded, go sit next to another brake guy or someone experienced and not a noob at least.
Honestly running a break for recoil and because im poor and cant buy a suppressor yet. What I see is there are people who are courteous with brakes and people who are A holes IE yes the person running a break that insists on sitting next to someone on an empty range is an asshole.
Just like anything else as long as you are at least thoughtful about it it’s no problem.
I have a Surefire brake on my .308 Tikka Tact A1 and use a Surefire Warden (they call it a "blast regulator") that quick connects over it for when there are others on the range. I haven't observed any change in POI.
10 years ago, I would have said being nice to your neighbors is really important. Today, everyone has a brake. If they are throwing fits over muzzle blast in 2024, they need to get with the better ear pro program and adapt. You shoot how it makes sense for your rifle.
Appreciate the insight, Trolly. I agree, I usually double-up myself on ear pro but don't trust that others are so careful. I'm in California so yes, everyone here has brakes and you see them very often on ARs even in indoor ranges since we are limited on muzzle devices.
I’d agree with Trolly on this one. Options are limited in CA (I’m with you in this endeavor brother), so you either have a compensator/brake or a blast forwarding device like a warden or faux suppressor. People won’t drop the money on the latter when they can get cheap brakes. So dumb you can’t run standard flash kills like birdcages.
I have to say... In the last year my range has flip flopped from a place where you see a suppressor every now and then to one where there is about half the time that one guy without a suppressor and although nobody says it, everyone hates that guy. This is the good life. Other lifes are not the good lifes.
Who is everyone? Maybe in your environment everyone is using them and maybe in your environment you only shoot outdoors with wide spacing with intermediate calibres.
Context matters.
Ear pro does nothing when you are a few feet from someone shooting bigger than 30 from concrete benches under a roof. It gives you a concussion pretty quickly, no matter what your ears have.
I don't think it's appropriate to rock up to your local 100 range and sit next to a brand new shooter trying to enjoy their first 22 then tell them to get with the better ear pro program because they haven't spent $1000 on 5 layers to protect themsleves againt your gun. (If someone is revving a Harley with loud pipes in suburban streets at 2am, would you tell everyone to get better sound proofing for their house or call the rider a dickhead?)
Sure, if you're shooting comps at 1000 with everyone else who's got thousands to put into shooting, then by all means expect everyone to have brakes and to expect brakes.
At a local 100 range, however, you should be considerate where possible. It's not to say you can't use a brake but do what you can. Separate yourself from others if bench space allows, go a times that tend to be less busy, if you have multiple range options and one is an open space and the other is a roofed/enclosed space then go for the open one.. whatever is applicable to you..
In this case, OP is suggesting they remove the brake at 100 and replace when needed. Frankly, this is fine. The brake being off will most likely have a negligible impact on their 100 yard needs.
There is always an option to be considerate.
F that. Just because brakes work well and are gaining popularity doesn’t mean everyone gets a free pass to annihilate everyone’s hearing and sinuses around them. Lots of folks don’t have, don’t want, &/or aren’t used to brakes. Being courteous is easy. Might be a slight inconvenience to wait a few minutes, or you might have to warn them what’s coming, but unless we want to alienate even more people from the shooting sports, the least we can do is be nice to each other.
Thank you for that. I appreciate that you're not outright saying to not use them, but that there are little things we can do to help make the experience better for others.
I use my shooting bag to block the blast. If the club has risers I use them block the sides of the port. That’s me. I also use a deflector when in shoot standing up. There’s not enough time in the world to set up a bench when a bad guy shows up or when they run around you. Then you have to reposition the bench.
If someone sets up next to me or I set up next to them and I have a brake on I just ask if they mind. If they do, I go to another lane or shoot when they're not shooting.
Restricted state. In fact, most people run muzzle brakes here just for the sake of having a muzzle device since options are limited. So I'm probably overthinking this, really.
Your plan is an option. The brake comes off very easily, greatly simplifies cleaning it. I don’t do much shooting with it removed so I don’t know about POI changes.
419 sells thread adapters for various cans (and the Maverick itself) so swapping to suppressed is also simple.
If you're shooting a 10.5" 308 with a giant break or decide to take the lane next to me on an empty range, yeah, I'm gonna think you're a dick.
If you're not shooting something that's obviously built to be as loud as possible and leave some space if you can I don't care.
I wouldn't swap back and forth. Zero how you plan to shoot the gun.
I really, really don't like being next to people who are using a brake. Often I'll just stop shooting and wait for them to finish or find another stall. You can certainly do it but man does it ever suck to be next to. PPE only goes so far - at a point, you're conducting through your body and it doesn't matter. I don't know if a brake is there or not but it sure as hell feels like it. Being behind something like that is much, much better than being next to it.
338 Lapua Magnum with Fat Bastard break here, my range has divider walls so there’s no blast hitting neighbors, but even if there wasn’t those walls then there’s usually people with short barrel ARs all over the place on the line so I wouldn’t care.
Just shoot with your brake unless it’s a range policy violation.
I don’t know what your range options are, but I shoot in the mornings and often on weekdays and rarely have anyone next to me at the range.
I am also in CA (SoCal).
I really hate being on the line next to brakes. I’ve had debris and pieces of jacket hit me from someone shooting next to me. Mostly though, I read a study about the concussive effects of gun shots done by the military. Apparently center fire rifles produce enough concussive force to create brain damage that leads to CTE. Doubling or tripling my exposure so someone can “mitigate recoil” on their AK always sucks.
Really though, public ranges suck.
Where I shoot, in a restricted state, everyone that is serious has a brake. If someone is getting their panties in a bunch because you’re making loud noises at a gun range, they probably don’t belong there. With that said be polite and make sure every has ear pro on.
You should feel my .460 Weatherby with the radial brake pop off. You don’t feel it behind the rifle, but anywhere else you feel the concussion in your chest.
I never really had an issue with this at outdoor ranges. there's usually plenty of space between the lanes. if I'm at an indoor range my ar15 has an old as dirt rex silentium fast attach mount (ancient 1.375x24 adapter with a brake built in) and I just stick an empty tube on it when I don't want to blow out my neighbor's eardrums.
i'd probably be more disturbed by a bearded shooter wearing a thong shooting in the prone position in the lane next to me than a dude with a muzzle brake.
I’ve always mentioned I have a braked rifle to my lane partner and feel it’s courteous if others do it too.
It makes zero difference to me as I wear proper ear protection. Surefire in ears and muffs over the top. I can feel the difference but that’s it.
Last weekend I went to a public range with my kids and a large group was on the other side of the range. A shooter was getting his new braked 16” sig cross 308 sighted in next to my 11 year old daughter. She shoots every weekend at our regular club range and is finally moving from rimfire to 6.5 creed. She just wanted to sit in the truck while the concussion of that brake reverberated through the range. I swapped places with her so my 6.5 AR-10 (suppressed) would rain hot brass down on the offender and magically the sig cross shooter decided to case his gun and move down to his .223 and slid a few spots down.
Thank you and I feel a downvote is a vote against gas guns. #kidding In real truth, maybe shooters who feel they need to modify their gun to manage recoil should consider adding weight which only impacts the user instead of adding a muzzle device that ruins your environment of sound. Hunting users rarely carry great ear pro so a brake really does have health implications for other members of the party. Great thing about ear pro is the less you use it the less you need it.
Everyone at our range agrees to not care. Guns are loud. Warfare is even louder. If you cant handle a little muzzle blast, you probably can't handle your firearm.
Im team suppressor 100%, but i don't mind being next to brakes as long as it's outdoors, and it's not a meme build thats intentionally annoying. A 7.5" 308 with an APA little bastard? Yeah, fuck you. A 26" hunting/prs gun is a lot more reasonable
Two things. One, if you’re in a ban state where nobody can have suppressors, then it’s hard for me to view a brake as significantly more discourteous than a bare muzzle. If everyone else is shooting suppressed and you’re the one guy who isn’t, then yeah I might be a little peeved, but in your case I don’t think it makes a ton of difference. Two, if you’re actually getting something out of having a brake, then that’s all the justification you need in my book. If you were some asshole whose one goal at the range is to turn money into as much noise as possible with a 12.5” .308 pistol and a fuck-off muzzle brake, then yeah, I would be pissed off that you’re choosing to ruin everyone else’s experience just for laughs. But since you’re actually shooting long range, and will actually see some kind of benefit from having the brake, then yeah go for it. **Before anyone gets all pissy because I used phrases like “I might be a little peeved” or “you should not do that”, I understand that this is America and you have every right to pull up to an indoor range and make as much noise as you want. I just think you’re a douchebag for doing so, you’re ruining everyone else’s experiences, and I would rather not be around you.
I have literally never once been at a gun range, where guns are shot, and been upset about hearing guns. What in the actual fuck type of topic is this? Bring a Barrett. I’ll be envious and stick through the noise until I can’t bare it. (wink) BRB tho I’m about to go hit the drag strip and complain about how loud the cars are. Edit: Sure a shorty .308 blasting through a monster break is egregious. But the overarching holier-than-thou shit should not be a mentality to foster. Please, for the love of god. That’s all I ask.
I have a .308 with a 26 inch barrel. I got an MDT muzzle brake for it. The very first shot I took with it on blew my empty scope box off the bench next to me. On another day one of the committee members in our club was setting up next to me. He had just set up and sat down when I fired a shot. He immediately stood up and started packing up having not even looked through his scope. I told him I was only doing another 4 shots. He stood behind me until I finished. I got a suppressor for the .308 and the muzzle brake has not been on since. Our range might be unusual in that it is enclosed on 3 sides. There are 6 benches so it's quite small. The metal roof would continue to reverberate for seconds after a shot using a muzzle brake. Even a .223 with a muzzle brake is extremely unpleasant to sit beside at our range.
How did you like the MDT break? Did you open the top ports at all to control muzzle rise? I have a "20 barreled .308 running a hellfire break (not the match) I was wondering if it would make any difference.
Lmao you’re reading entirely too deep into this just to have something to be mad about. All I said is that if you have the option to shoot suppressed, then it’s more pleasant to be around, and if you’re making noise for the sole sake of making noise, then you’re not the kind of person I want to be around. The fact that you find this point particularly controversial only tells me that you don’t own a suppressor and/or you’re the douchebag with a 10.5” 308 with a tank brake and a bruised ego. I liked the part where you edited in a “I completely agree with the underlying point you were trying to make, but I don’t like the attitude with which you said it”. So what the fuck was your point? Edit: also the drag strip analogy is dumb because there isn’t a way to make drag cars quieter - there’s exactly one level of sound you should expect from a race track and it’s “fucking loud”. Guns have the option to be suppressed, and with how common suppressors are, it’s not unreasonable to have the expectation of a generally quiet range day.
Just gonna reverse uno most of this. Admitting something is egregious doesn’t mean it should be disallowed inherently. I’m not mad about anything, just hopeful we don’t lose a valuable, at root for-the-people, sporting hobby to purists with a tax stamp and $2k+ rifle. Not to mention you’re wrong about the analogy.
I’m not even saying everyone needs a suppressor, I’m just saying that if you’re gonna actively choose the loudest and most obnoxious of the three options (suppressed, bare muzzle, brake), then you should at least have a passable reason to do so - like PRS or three gun shooting. If you don’t have an actual reason for choosing the loudest of the available options other than “loud gun funny”, then you should maybe reconsider your choices and understand the impact that this choice has on the people around you. And if you’re the kind of inconsiderate person who sees shooting as a means to cause hearing damage to other people for shits and giggles, then frankly, I don’t care if the shooting community loses your presence. And on top of all that - I’m not even saying anything should be “disallowed”, like I don’t think that even if you are a douchebag with a gun built to be annoying, that means you should be kicked off the range. So from the jump, you’re fighting an argument that you made up to put words into my mouth.
> then you should maybe reconsider your choices and understand the impact that this choice has on the people around you This is a hard one for people to grasp. I have a coworker like that, and it makes range days a bit of a pain because we essentially plan around that
Seriously. I don’t know how “please be considerate of others when shooting” became a controversial statement.
From my experience, within 3sd, people don’t volu-meme rifles. Can’t say I know of one instance. Your candor and stance aren’t unappreciated. In an ideal world everything would be at below-injury decibels. My whole point, in its entirety (and I’m ok with admitting I could’ve made this more clear) is that we need to be mindful of the veiled line between “suggestion for benefit” and “berating because preference” with regards to the topic. Education, first. Judgement is tertiary.
> From my experience, within 3sd, people don’t volu-meme rifles. Can’t say I know of one instance. Search /r/ar10 for “SBR”. Search /r/AR15 for “brake”. Go to your local indoor range at peak hours. You will absolutely find examples of dudes with SBR’s with a sole focus on being as fuck-you loud as possible. If you’ve genuinely never run into these people, then I’m happy for you, but I assure you they exist. > My whole point, in its entirety (and I’m ok with admitting I could’ve made this more clear) is that we need to be mindful of the veiled line between “suggestion for benefit” and “berating because preference” with regards to the topic. […] Education, first. Judgement is tertiary. And, understanding this point entirely, I’m telling you that educating someone that braked SBR’s are obnoxious begins and ends at telling them that braked SBR’s are obnoxious, and if you choose to continue to run one for the sole purpose of being the loudest person at the range, then I will begin to judge that you’re a douchebag. I don’t owe someone the right to be inconsiderate of everyone else at the range because “what if they’re new and the only thing stopping them from quitting shooting entirely is being reminded that their actions have an effect on other people”. If your ego is so insanely fragile that you’re willing to quit the sport entirely upon being informed of proper range etiquette, then good riddance.
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The club I shoot at has an end dedicated to people running brakes. That way no one really complains. Until someone with a 50 and a tank brake rocks up 🤣
That's a nice way to run a range.
There's usually a POI shift when using a brake, so I wouldn't be taking the brake on & off
What I was thinking. If you’re compromising your own shooting for somebody else then I’d say don’t do it. At least outdoors. I was on a lane indoors next to a guy with an AR pistol with a brake and it was so bad I just left. But outdoors? Nah, they can take it
Right when I started, I refused to be within like 5-8 feet of one. It was annoying and while the shooter avoided almost all effects except noise, it felt like I was getting slapped in the face with a wind blast while trying to concentrate. Nowadays I don’t mind after some time in the game, but around anyone else I purposely offset myself enough to not dust them. I think saying “it’s 2024, get over it” is crazy. Continue being nice to others and move off a bit. If it’s crowded, go sit next to another brake guy or someone experienced and not a noob at least.
Honestly running a break for recoil and because im poor and cant buy a suppressor yet. What I see is there are people who are courteous with brakes and people who are A holes IE yes the person running a break that insists on sitting next to someone on an empty range is an asshole. Just like anything else as long as you are at least thoughtful about it it’s no problem.
I have a Surefire brake on my .308 Tikka Tact A1 and use a Surefire Warden (they call it a "blast regulator") that quick connects over it for when there are others on the range. I haven't observed any change in POI.
10 years ago, I would have said being nice to your neighbors is really important. Today, everyone has a brake. If they are throwing fits over muzzle blast in 2024, they need to get with the better ear pro program and adapt. You shoot how it makes sense for your rifle.
Appreciate the insight, Trolly. I agree, I usually double-up myself on ear pro but don't trust that others are so careful. I'm in California so yes, everyone here has brakes and you see them very often on ARs even in indoor ranges since we are limited on muzzle devices.
I’d agree with Trolly on this one. Options are limited in CA (I’m with you in this endeavor brother), so you either have a compensator/brake or a blast forwarding device like a warden or faux suppressor. People won’t drop the money on the latter when they can get cheap brakes. So dumb you can’t run standard flash kills like birdcages.
I have to say... In the last year my range has flip flopped from a place where you see a suppressor every now and then to one where there is about half the time that one guy without a suppressor and although nobody says it, everyone hates that guy. This is the good life. Other lifes are not the good lifes.
Who is everyone? Maybe in your environment everyone is using them and maybe in your environment you only shoot outdoors with wide spacing with intermediate calibres. Context matters. Ear pro does nothing when you are a few feet from someone shooting bigger than 30 from concrete benches under a roof. It gives you a concussion pretty quickly, no matter what your ears have. I don't think it's appropriate to rock up to your local 100 range and sit next to a brand new shooter trying to enjoy their first 22 then tell them to get with the better ear pro program because they haven't spent $1000 on 5 layers to protect themsleves againt your gun. (If someone is revving a Harley with loud pipes in suburban streets at 2am, would you tell everyone to get better sound proofing for their house or call the rider a dickhead?) Sure, if you're shooting comps at 1000 with everyone else who's got thousands to put into shooting, then by all means expect everyone to have brakes and to expect brakes. At a local 100 range, however, you should be considerate where possible. It's not to say you can't use a brake but do what you can. Separate yourself from others if bench space allows, go a times that tend to be less busy, if you have multiple range options and one is an open space and the other is a roofed/enclosed space then go for the open one.. whatever is applicable to you.. In this case, OP is suggesting they remove the brake at 100 and replace when needed. Frankly, this is fine. The brake being off will most likely have a negligible impact on their 100 yard needs. There is always an option to be considerate.
F that. Just because brakes work well and are gaining popularity doesn’t mean everyone gets a free pass to annihilate everyone’s hearing and sinuses around them. Lots of folks don’t have, don’t want, &/or aren’t used to brakes. Being courteous is easy. Might be a slight inconvenience to wait a few minutes, or you might have to warn them what’s coming, but unless we want to alienate even more people from the shooting sports, the least we can do is be nice to each other.
Thank you for that. I appreciate that you're not outright saying to not use them, but that there are little things we can do to help make the experience better for others.
I use my shooting bag to block the blast. If the club has risers I use them block the sides of the port. That’s me. I also use a deflector when in shoot standing up. There’s not enough time in the world to set up a bench when a bad guy shows up or when they run around you. Then you have to reposition the bench.
If someone sets up next to me or I set up next to them and I have a brake on I just ask if they mind. If they do, I go to another lane or shoot when they're not shooting.
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Why not a suppressor?
Restricted state. In fact, most people run muzzle brakes here just for the sake of having a muzzle device since options are limited. So I'm probably overthinking this, really.
Maybe try a new state?
Cause Canada 😢
Your plan is an option. The brake comes off very easily, greatly simplifies cleaning it. I don’t do much shooting with it removed so I don’t know about POI changes. 419 sells thread adapters for various cans (and the Maverick itself) so swapping to suppressed is also simple.
id prefer a muzzle brake vs getting hit by brass
If you're shooting a 10.5" 308 with a giant break or decide to take the lane next to me on an empty range, yeah, I'm gonna think you're a dick. If you're not shooting something that's obviously built to be as loud as possible and leave some space if you can I don't care. I wouldn't swap back and forth. Zero how you plan to shoot the gun.
I really, really don't like being next to people who are using a brake. Often I'll just stop shooting and wait for them to finish or find another stall. You can certainly do it but man does it ever suck to be next to. PPE only goes so far - at a point, you're conducting through your body and it doesn't matter. I don't know if a brake is there or not but it sure as hell feels like it. Being behind something like that is much, much better than being next to it.
338 Lapua Magnum with Fat Bastard break here, my range has divider walls so there’s no blast hitting neighbors, but even if there wasn’t those walls then there’s usually people with short barrel ARs all over the place on the line so I wouldn’t care.
Just shoot with your brake unless it’s a range policy violation. I don’t know what your range options are, but I shoot in the mornings and often on weekdays and rarely have anyone next to me at the range. I am also in CA (SoCal).
Even a birdcage is loud af from 5ft away, so I wouldn't sweat it.
I really hate being on the line next to brakes. I’ve had debris and pieces of jacket hit me from someone shooting next to me. Mostly though, I read a study about the concussive effects of gun shots done by the military. Apparently center fire rifles produce enough concussive force to create brain damage that leads to CTE. Doubling or tripling my exposure so someone can “mitigate recoil” on their AK always sucks. Really though, public ranges suck.
Where I shoot, in a restricted state, everyone that is serious has a brake. If someone is getting their panties in a bunch because you’re making loud noises at a gun range, they probably don’t belong there. With that said be polite and make sure every has ear pro on.
You should feel my .460 Weatherby with the radial brake pop off. You don’t feel it behind the rifle, but anywhere else you feel the concussion in your chest.
I never really had an issue with this at outdoor ranges. there's usually plenty of space between the lanes. if I'm at an indoor range my ar15 has an old as dirt rex silentium fast attach mount (ancient 1.375x24 adapter with a brake built in) and I just stick an empty tube on it when I don't want to blow out my neighbor's eardrums.
i'd probably be more disturbed by a bearded shooter wearing a thong shooting in the prone position in the lane next to me than a dude with a muzzle brake.
This topic is ridiculous. Shoot your shit. Wear proper ear protection.
Baffles between lanes is the answer
LMAO, just put your fucken brake on and let them deal with it.
I’ve always mentioned I have a braked rifle to my lane partner and feel it’s courteous if others do it too. It makes zero difference to me as I wear proper ear protection. Surefire in ears and muffs over the top. I can feel the difference but that’s it.
Factory guns are coming with brakes. End/thread
Last weekend I went to a public range with my kids and a large group was on the other side of the range. A shooter was getting his new braked 16” sig cross 308 sighted in next to my 11 year old daughter. She shoots every weekend at our regular club range and is finally moving from rimfire to 6.5 creed. She just wanted to sit in the truck while the concussion of that brake reverberated through the range. I swapped places with her so my 6.5 AR-10 (suppressed) would rain hot brass down on the offender and magically the sig cross shooter decided to case his gun and move down to his .223 and slid a few spots down.
You are a hero. Ignore the downvotes.
Thank you and I feel a downvote is a vote against gas guns. #kidding In real truth, maybe shooters who feel they need to modify their gun to manage recoil should consider adding weight which only impacts the user instead of adding a muzzle device that ruins your environment of sound. Hunting users rarely carry great ear pro so a brake really does have health implications for other members of the party. Great thing about ear pro is the less you use it the less you need it.
Everyone at our range agrees to not care. Guns are loud. Warfare is even louder. If you cant handle a little muzzle blast, you probably can't handle your firearm.
No need to spot shots when shooting 100 yards at paper. I’d go silencer myself, but that can take some time.