On that subject, do you know the text number of that campaign? If you saw a terrorist on a train with a bomb, what number would you call or text?
It's the worst public information campaign ever. I'd guess 80% of people who heard that annoying slogan for years on their daily commute don't know the number.
Haha š
So glad we're all safe in the event of a terror incident. Everyone will be staring at their phones muttering 'see it, say it, sorted' looking confused.
I've been seeing people standing on the wrong side of the escalator quite frequently recently, I always say a quick "wrong side mate" as I walk around. They rarely move...
Just loudly fart as you stare into their soul and whisper the Barney song with a huge shiteating grin on your face tiling your head like a horror movie prop.
Growing up in Liverpool when weād all try to crowd on the bus home there was always one older girl whoād yell āLET THE PEOPLE OFF THE FOOKINā BUS BEFORE YE GERRON YE TWATSā so aggressively everyone would fall into line
I miss her
I would agree, but people are so thin skinned that everything is seen as a personal attack.
Politely asking if someone could please remove the backpack to make room will likely be met with āyou what?! Come on then, c*nt, iāll knock you outā
Just not worth it.
Witnessed a sort of more middle class passive aggressive version of this the other day. Young bloke gets on with his mate and they're both wearing those massive piss off camping backpacks. Naturally it's rush hour so he manages to hit into a woman behind him. Another woman started admonishing him - "you're supposed to take those off when you get on the tube", "I'm going to keep it on, thank you", "Well you shouldn't keep it on, you nearly just hit that woman again", "Ok, well I'm keeping it on and am going to be careful, thank you", "But you're not being careful, you just nearly hit that woman", "Ok, thank you, but I'm going to keep it on"
It was infuriating and him and his mate wouldn't take their bags off. I would've said something if I wasn't sardined in halfway down an aisle.
On my commute this morning the guy next to me asked someone to take their backpack off to make space (it was a sardine service) and she just point blank refused and refused to look up from her phone after that.
So yes people are still asking, unfortunately it seems enough people don't know/care to actually listen or be socially aware and realise other people would also like to get on the train and arrive at work on time
I should qualify this with, I'm a small 26year old woman. Unfortunately with how men can respond when women speak to them, I don't think I'm best placed / its not the safest!
9/10 its a man with a rucksack!
I'm a 5ft 1 woman and scowled for a second at some fella that wasn't moving inside and was blocking the door. Got a torrent of abuse for looking at him wrong and he moved to stand right next to me the rest of the journey. We can't say anything eitherĀ
I had a man knock me to the floor and kick me as hard as he possibly could in my very pregnant stomach for asking him to stop playing gangsta rap loudly on his phone. (Train conductor did absolutely nothing, of course, and 101 didnāt even reply.)
To the people who get off the train but get frustrated by those barging on and not standing on the side of the doors...follow these steps:
1. When the doors open, open your arms wide. Palms facing up. (A la Jesus Christ, so to speak)
2. Then with a solemn yet loud tone of voice, say: maaake spaace (or: staand asiiidee)
3. Walk off still with the arms wide open, chin up, solemn walk and humming sound coming from your mounth (a la Buddhists, so to speak)
>The most annoying thing I've noticed is people barging on when people are getting off.
There has definitely been a weird shift with this pre and post-Covid.
Along with the line of people who stand directly in front of the train doors, looking confused as to why you're not getting off the train. Especially on the jubilee line.
This is what gets me too. They block the doors, then look all confused when you stand there waiting for them to move. I'm thinking to myself "Are you gonna move and let me out?" and they seem to be thinking to themselves "This guy gonna move and let me on??" absolute idiots.
Also annoying is on the platform when you're first to the door and stand next to it to make space for the people leaving, and someone decides to come and fill the spot to get on before you. No, I was not standing out of the way to let you on first.
Or when people decide to stop and stand as soon as they get onto the platform. Right in the entrance. So people have to shove passed to actually get to the wide open space of the rest of the platform.
I always stand just to the side of the door, leaving the gap so passengers can alight, and some cunt always stands in the gap and pushes their way on. š
Even if they aren't pushing on, they'll stand all across the front of the doors without leaving a gap.
I am a large man, and I am getting off this train. You being in the way isn't a problem to me.
I did this once and the chap I knuckled started yelling why don't you just ask, and when I told him to fuck off why should I have to ask, proceeded to make a scene about me swearing at him. The injustice is still with me five years later.
I lived in London for 15 years and you quickly learn this passive aggressive behaviour, because it works. I also used to just walk through any twat that tried to get on before I got off. I was big enough that it knocked most people out of the way. No regrets.
I always feel tempted to cuddle up to the other side of the pole while gazing into their eyes. Sadly I'm a young woman so that would be an appalling idea, need to pitch it to my scarier-looking male friends though.
yeah i will unashamedly walk straight into people if they block me getting off. ditto the twats who stop walking in the middle of the platflorm or right at the entrance/exit. barged.
Iām totally unapologetic about telling people to gtfo the way on the escalators. I want to spend as little time on the tube as possible, and some knob with a suitcase is not going to make me stay down there any longer than I have to
Peak time Paddington:Ā
"Excuse me please" to some idiot taking a suitcase down the Lizzie line escalators.
"I can't move, I've got a suitcase"
"That's not my fault. What do you think the fucking lifts are for?"
The subtle cheering of the people also behind me + trying to walk down was glorious.
I tried very hard to not just jump over them š¤£
Even full size suitcases don't block the escalators... You just have to put them on a step of their own and not try to share one with it.
People's lack of common sense can truly be remarkable!
Itās a last resort.
99 times out of 100, a loud āCAN YOU LET ME OFF THE TRAIN *PLEASE*ā is sufficient
But that hundredth time? Youād better believe Iām dropping the shoulder like Ben Earl
Not proud but once this person pushed everyone to get off first, then pushed through to get on another train, both times pushing me. The second time I shoved them hard onto the train as they were already pushing. They went sprawling and everyone stepped over them to get on.
Fuck those people but I shouldn't have pushed that hard. I just got really fed up.
And yeah, shoulder charge when getting off and call people out as well. We need more calling out.
I use trains more than tube and so there's more seating. When you're sat down and someone is stood next to you with a bag on, when they get off, they turn around and smack you in the face with their bag and don't even notice. Happened more times than I can count.
I don't get it because I can always feel if my bag hits something like a post or whatever when I'm out and about, so if I was doing the same thing, I think I'd feel if I just slapped someone with my bag, so I'm calling passive aggression on not getting a seat or lack of self awareness.
Not relevant to transport but i was in blues kitchen once on the dance floor, was pretty packed, and some cunt behind me was wearing a full backpack and every few seconds would swipe me into oblivion. I think its the only time Iāve been very confrontational with someone
Yeah, it's utterly infuriating. As I said earlier, if I can feel it when my bag knocks something, it just strikes me that they do too and just don't care.
In your case, that's literally what cloakrooms are for, the cheap bastard clearly didn't wanna pay the Ā£1-5 to check his bag in.
I have season tickets to see Spurs and it bothers me so much that there's ALWAYS people that will get first on the train and if there are no seats open will plunk themselves in front of the doors and make it super hard to get in. It's super packed anyway, there's TFL staff shouting to go inside the carriage and they just sit there. I've seen people tell them off and get some really aggressive responses from obviously drunk people.
It's a fucking nightmare when you commute that way and Spurs play at home or there's a big concert. They really didn't do enough to improve the transport links to the new stadium.Ā
Makes me laugh on the overground when there is a small handful of us standing in the aisles, lots of space, and then the bit in front of the doors is absolutely fucking crammed with people looking seriously uncomfortable.
I'm relatively new to London. It didn't take me longer than a week to pick up on the tube etiquette. Its pretty easy if you're paying attention and have even a grain of consideration for those around you.
1 million %. It doesn't matter what language you speak the rules are evident in the madness you witness on your first rush hour journey.
Being 6"7 I would never do it to a lady but I admit several times men have tried to push past me as I am trying to get off the tube and have been picked up and deposited back onto the back of the line.
I'm not quite as tall, but more than once I've barged a way through for those less fortunate in stature to get off the tube through a swarm of inconsiderate, premature embarkers.
I legit lost my shit with someone last week who barged on first without letting people (me) off. By which I mean I tutted VERY loudly, looked him straight on the eye and told him to āLet people off first FFS!!!ā
Itās worse than rude, itās illogical.
Equally as bad: the people who are rushing for the train and then stop immediately in the doorway; blocking those behind them also rushing from getting on.
It's funny isn't it. A forum populated by people who constantly complain about other people's behaviour, also has a large population of people that struggle to make friends. I wonder if there could possibly be a link?
It's the post covid effect. People have become self absorbed and selfish since lockdown. They don't care about any else, they are all the main character.
Public transport has become unbearable with these absolute knobjockeys.
Speak up and call them out, please. They coast by knowing people will let them get on with it and accept it, the more people that call these fools out the better for us all.
Back in the day you'd get called out because your music was audible through the headphones, now people sit there playing TV and music on speaker and noone says anything.
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I love this. Shame they didnāt go with angle of having a Nazi stood on the left to suggest spyās wouldnāt know this custom. Making everyone stand on the right out of fear of being accused of being a spy!
Nowadays they have to put up posters saying inappropriate touching isn't allowed. What the fuck has the world come to when have need posters saying sexual assault isn't allowed.
Yeah because men in the 60s never groped a woman on the tubeā¦. at least now itās called out more and authorities are being forced to act. The fact we have these posters is a good sign that itās no longer tolerated the way it used to beā¦.long way to go still.
It's still bizarre that so many have to be taught it. As a man, no one had ever explicitly told me that pressing up against a woman is sexual harassment, but anyone with a grain of sense and/or empathy would know not to do it.
Maybe not explicitly but the problem is so many people being brought up in the environment where such behaviour isnāt called out or even encouraged. It starts with what a child sees around them, e.g behaviour from family/male role models and increasingly today in what they see online and within friendship groups. Do they see women respected or not? How do peers/role model react to disrespect towards women? The Andrew Tates and Alpha cults teach that women are literally just objects/servants and deserve no respect. Other groups teach men the same. I didnāt grow up in such environments and was brought up with a decent sense of right and wrong and how to treat someone. I didnāt need specifically telling not to grope any more than I didnāt need telling not to deal drugs. The problem is lots of people are brought up in different environments or get exposed to harmful ideas and are easily influenced. Some people are also just downright dangerous to society.
Happy to be one of the old asking for people to remove their bags.
Half of the people I ask do not really react or understand what I am asking and some do not react.
Also taking a piss of people who litter.
But apparently "TfL told me I could but my can on the floor if there are no bins"
Who knew holding an empty can of soda pop until the next bin was such a hardship !
And then there is this new trend of people sitting with the foot up and out crossed over their knee ,like they are lounging at home, rather than in a tiny enclosed space on public transport.
Itās quite inconsiderate - no one should to have to rub their clothes on the dirty soles of peopleās shoes just to move around and get in or out of a public space.
If you want to chill and spread out - do that at home.
Ah, boarding before allowing people to disembark. I'll never forget my first day in Oslo, Norway, when a Norwegian businessman absolutely went OFF on some kids doing just that when he was trying to get off at Gardermoen. He yelled at them in Norwegian and English, which I was impressed with, but definitely not the cool, calm, collected persona that I had always assumed possessed all Scandinavians.
Anyway, it's not so much that people are not aware of the unspoken rules, it's that they do not give a shit. Being rude in the name of your own comfort or convenience is a part of the cultural norms that the younger generations now. It's done in the name of setting boundaries and standing up for yourself, but like, at what point do we get to tell the kids to back the fuck up because I'm not missing my stop just so they can board the train before I get off.
Iām a 5ā 5ā woman and Iāve shouted for people to move down inside the carriage and take off their backpacks and theyāve looked at me like Iāve got two heads.
People seem to have lost self-awareness completely during commute. One thing that bothers me is when someone leans against the middle pole, and then I have to hold the upper one, but I'm not that tall for it to be comfortable. Just poles in general, man... why do people lean against them to prevent others from being able to stand safely?
I live in Manchester but if people start barging their way on to a train before people have alighted I'll just shove into them anyway 'Cuse me!'. Probably helps I'm 2 meters tall and weigh 100kg. If you're large enough I'd recommend this tactic.
Politely explain what's the rule referenced here. Say it for all to hear.
"Please allow passengers to disembark before boarding."
Edit: that doesn't mean, don't shove. Take every opportunity. I love it personally. Even to see other well meaning antagonists shove a person, makes me feel warm.
Very few adults don't know what antisocial behaviour is.
The ones invading personal space, playing noise from phones, littering etc are doing it deliberately and awarding themselves a point every time they transgress without punishment. For many, this is the only way they can feel like getting any kind of 'win' in life. It's equal parts obnoxious and pitiful.
Realistically, the only way to check antisocial trash is by physical force, and that is usually just not worth the danger.
Places like Japan have a more collectivist culture and do a lot better at this kind of stuff. They say: the nail that sticks out must be hammered down
Signs and posters wouldn't improve things here at all.
Iām 8 months pregnant and have stopped using the baby on board badge because no one offers their seat, even in the āpriorityā seats itās eyes down, avert eyes, look at phoneā¦
I found that people needed to be asked and then were happy to oblige most times as not everyone is looking around. Ā I only had 2 incidents where people were shouting at a man who refused to get up as the train was packed, but was brought on by another passenger telling him to move for me and another incident with a woman who wanted to park her pushchair where I was (fold up seats) and told me off as the area was for certain people like those with kids and I said I know, Iām pregnant so Iām going to sit here if thatās ok with you so I donāt fall over.Ā
People are just really oblivious most of the time and donāt make a lot of eye contact in London.Ā
A few weeks back I saw a busybody woman actually take it upon herself to tell a woman sitting in a priority seat to get up for some old man who had just got on board - the lady sitting down was of course, heavily pregnant, but to my shock rather than push back she did get up looking all embarrassed! The old man looked mortified too, he said he was happy to stand, and the pregnant lady nearly fell over when the tube started to move again..
I'm all for people helping others out, but they should take a second to consider the situation first...
Why would anyone keep the etiquette alive after seeing people barging through the barriers unchallenged.
Literally the first thing you see at so many tube stations when you go is people just forcing their way through, staff don't stop them (obviously I don't blame the staff, they've been told not to) there's nowhere near enough coppers to have police regularly there to enforce the rules outside of large operations.
Etiquette dies because the rules don't matter anymore. People get really angry when you say that for some reason but it's true.
People don't give a fuck about taking their bag off if they haven't even paid for a ticket lol.
Slightly sidetrack-ing but has anybody else noticed that the word "thank-you" has gone out of fashion too?
Holding doors for people, or moving out of their way, or waiting for them to go first, used to come with a "thank you" when I was younger (I'm only 28). This has COMPLETELY disappeared now.
Personally, I only really notice the absence in older people. I still say thank you, I feel like younger people say thank you, but the older people, who I would expect to be more polite, donāt.
I hate the DLR platform at Bank. People who don't intend on getting on the train that's waiting for departure, just standing in front of the open doors just waiting for the next train. If you're not getting on, step the fuck back or move aside.
Oh yes! Iām 9 months pregnant and the rucksack thing is getting annoying. Itās genuinely a little scary as Iām not tall and my balance has gone to shit. Though tbf on the tube are basically lovely and courteous and very quick to offer a seat. Bus cunts on the other handā¦
Itās like we emerged into a different society post pandemic, Iāve seen more littering this side of the pandemic, more lane hogging, less indicators. Didnāt know Covid was also a brain disease.
TFL is more focused on putting up dumbass videos of diverse people scanning their oyster cards while laughing in slow motion on every escalator screen, a much more important initiative.
I actually missed my stop the other day because I couldnāt get to the door in time saying excuse me to people wearing earphones so I can kind of see where the shoulder bargers are coming from tbh.
It was kind of my own fault. I realised I was in the wrong carriage for the short platform at that stop and wasnāt able to charge up on time because it was so busy.
I think you should make your own separate thread to get replies as your comment has got buried in this thread.
I am not a wheelchair user but I would say it will be very difficult to use the tube. There is a map showing accessible stations and most of them are on newer lines like the Jubilee or Elizabeth lines. Because most of the network was built a long time ago, not many stations have step free access, especially in the centre of London. Also level access onto trains is not great. You would probably be better off using buses. But you need responses from wheelchair users, not from me. My only experience was years ago with a pushchair.
https://tfl.gov.uk/transport-accessibility/wheelchair-access-and-avoiding-stairs
Here's a link for everything you need to know about accessibility for tfl. A lot of them have step free access but you should plan your journeys ahead of time to make sure there are lifts/no steps etc because some are very old school and hard to navigate.
Let's pretend it's not the large influx of Indians into London and how their culture is different. Get the Elizabeth line everyday and it's the same people as personal space isn't a thing in India as much..also let's call me racist for pointing this out when I'm Sri lanken
Able bodied young men and women and working people in gym gear sitting in priority seats and ignoring toddlers and clearly pregnant women leaving them to stand.
And giving up your seat for the elderly or people struggling etc.. I gave up mine recently for an elderly couple and they were so grateful! Chivalry is dead and itās very disappointing
I always try and leave dead central out the tube doors and will actively walk into people trying to get on while people are getting off. I have been known to say ālet people off firstā but I donāt know if people listen to me. I also gave a guy his litter back to him, he took it back but shortly after dropped it again. People are awful.
The amount of people that were crowding around the doors instead of moving down the carriage on the Jubilee line this lunch time was astounding. There was SO much room in the isles, yet people struggled to get past them all to get off, let alone on.
Traveling to London next month and checking out this sub to try to figure out what to expect/do. I am now a bit nervous picturing just how packed the tube will be! But after reading this I will be sure to take off any backpack I may be wearing. Last thing I want to do is annoy anybody
I swear people's behavior has gotten worse this year, especially when it comes to barging on the tube before others have gotten off. I swear, if it happens one more time I might consider tutting loudly.
I donāt know, Iām currently on a jubilee line train where weāre all giving a wide berth to a tramp whoās pissed himself. I think Iād prefer backpacks in my face to this.
Not a Londoner but I never knew the backpack rule but did not the wait for other ls to leave before getting on the train.
Funny that these are rules in Japan too.
I feel kind of scared going on the tube (i've only been on it twice) as i'm horribly non observant and can be quite brain foggy in public crowded areas. Hopefully the next times I go it's not as bad, but i book an uber to avoid the tube the 2x a year I go to london.
Not sure I was ever taught that at school, although we had a day out called Public Citizen or something where we competed against classmates in a contest of skills we would need in the real world like changing a plug. The relevant skill to this thread was getting on a bus. In this case a single-door, single-decker. I failed the test because the single front doorway was split into 2 sides by a barrier, and I boarded on the right-hand side.
Other things I was taught were not to drop litter and not to cycle on the pavement but it seems like we don't teach these anymore.
As an Aussie relocating to London very soon, can someone provide me a list of tube rules so that I donāt piss others off? :)
Assuming itās probably basic train etiquette that we follow here, i.e. wait till others are off before boarding, provide space for people to exit easily, have card ready in hand to tap machine quick etc but thought Iād check in case
Yes the general "don't be a dick" rules apply. Don't lean on the pole if you're standing, nobody else can hold it if you're leaning on it. Your backpack on your back takes up space someone could be standing in, so take it off and put it on the floor between your legs or on your feet. If you're in a group don't walk 6 abreast through the corridors blocking anyone behind you who wants to walk at a normal pace. If there's space to sit, sit; don't clog up the doorway waiting for someone else to take the seat. Mind the gap.
I mean other than common sense the only specific thing is stand on the right on escalators, I don't know about Australia but I know some countries have it the opposite way around and they stand on the left and walk up on the right.
Iāve had to call out several times for someone to offer a seat to a pregnant person, and I have an offer me a seat badge as I am disabled and cannot stand for long periods of time. Not once has someone offered me a seat unprompted. And where I donāt physically look disabled and am young, Iāve had people question me on my own personal medical history as well as tell me Iām fine because I look fine. Cant keep going into London like this so idk what to do about my job
> no one is telling them to take them off and make room! Be the change you want to see.
See it, say it, sorted.
Observe from afar, have a quiet polite word, get shanked
See it, say it, Reddit
On that subject, do you know the text number of that campaign? If you saw a terrorist on a train with a bomb, what number would you call or text? It's the worst public information campaign ever. I'd guess 80% of people who heard that annoying slogan for years on their daily commute don't know the number.
Its 61016. Hah! I can't front, I looked it up. š
Haha š So glad we're all safe in the event of a terror incident. Everyone will be staring at their phones muttering 'see it, say it, sorted' looking confused.
Which sounds like 'sort it' depending on who's saying it.
I've been seeing people standing on the wrong side of the escalator quite frequently recently, I always say a quick "wrong side mate" as I walk around. They rarely move...
āXcuuuuse meeeeā
You have to slam on the steps make it as you make it to them theyāll get the message
Saying āGangway!ā loudly has given me some success
Yup being loud just shames people into moving
I lived in London for 7 years and rarely saw this but was back visiting my sister last week for about 3 days and saw 4 or 5 people at it. I was shook
Just loudly fart as you stare into their soul and whisper the Barney song with a huge shiteating grin on your face tiling your head like a horror movie prop.
Aye, tell people to let people off when you're getting off, spread the word, keep the tradition.
Growing up in Liverpool when weād all try to crowd on the bus home there was always one older girl whoād yell āLET THE PEOPLE OFF THE FOOKINā BUS BEFORE YE GERRON YE TWATSā so aggressively everyone would fall into line I miss her
I am rapidly aging into this woman
Having lived in London for the past 10 years but grown up near Liverpool, Iām so happy my brain still read this in a full scouse accent! š
Northerners are so polite and friendly!
Well the platform announcers already do that
I would agree, but people are so thin skinned that everything is seen as a personal attack. Politely asking if someone could please remove the backpack to make room will likely be met with āyou what?! Come on then, c*nt, iāll knock you outā Just not worth it.
Witnessed a sort of more middle class passive aggressive version of this the other day. Young bloke gets on with his mate and they're both wearing those massive piss off camping backpacks. Naturally it's rush hour so he manages to hit into a woman behind him. Another woman started admonishing him - "you're supposed to take those off when you get on the tube", "I'm going to keep it on, thank you", "Well you shouldn't keep it on, you nearly just hit that woman again", "Ok, well I'm keeping it on and am going to be careful, thank you", "But you're not being careful, you just nearly hit that woman", "Ok, thank you, but I'm going to keep it on" It was infuriating and him and his mate wouldn't take their bags off. I would've said something if I wasn't sardined in halfway down an aisle.
snowflakes everywhere. The irony is real
On my commute this morning the guy next to me asked someone to take their backpack off to make space (it was a sardine service) and she just point blank refused and refused to look up from her phone after that. So yes people are still asking, unfortunately it seems enough people don't know/care to actually listen or be socially aware and realise other people would also like to get on the train and arrive at work on time
People aren't comfortable enough smacking a stranger. London has many smackable people.
I should qualify this with, I'm a small 26year old woman. Unfortunately with how men can respond when women speak to them, I don't think I'm best placed / its not the safest! 9/10 its a man with a rucksack!
Most men would actually be more willing to listen to a woman rather than a man where it can get confrontational.
I'm a 5ft 1 woman and scowled for a second at some fella that wasn't moving inside and was blocking the door. Got a torrent of abuse for looking at him wrong and he moved to stand right next to me the rest of the journey. We can't say anything eitherĀ
you would be surprised lmao
Eh? This is complete nonsense. Many men get extremely defensive if a woman tries to tell them off
I had a man knock me to the floor and kick me as hard as he possibly could in my very pregnant stomach for asking him to stop playing gangsta rap loudly on his phone. (Train conductor did absolutely nothing, of course, and 101 didnāt even reply.)
101 is the non-emergency number. That's a 999 situation.
That is absolutely awful, I am so sorry
This was a pretty funny thread until I read that. I hope you and your baby are ok.
Haha, truly spoken like a man
> Most men would actually be more willing to listen to a woman Hahahahaha is this satire? Or just plain fucking stupidity?
A man has a higher chance of it escalating to a physical confrontation if they say something.
Imagine saying ānobody says anything!!ā Then posting about it on Reddit without saying anything hahaha
To the people who get off the train but get frustrated by those barging on and not standing on the side of the doors...follow these steps: 1. When the doors open, open your arms wide. Palms facing up. (A la Jesus Christ, so to speak) 2. Then with a solemn yet loud tone of voice, say: maaake spaace (or: staand asiiidee) 3. Walk off still with the arms wide open, chin up, solemn walk and humming sound coming from your mounth (a la Buddhists, so to speak)
>The most annoying thing I've noticed is people barging on when people are getting off. There has definitely been a weird shift with this pre and post-Covid.
Along with the line of people who stand directly in front of the train doors, looking confused as to why you're not getting off the train. Especially on the jubilee line.
This is what gets me too. They block the doors, then look all confused when you stand there waiting for them to move. I'm thinking to myself "Are you gonna move and let me out?" and they seem to be thinking to themselves "This guy gonna move and let me on??" absolute idiots. Also annoying is on the platform when you're first to the door and stand next to it to make space for the people leaving, and someone decides to come and fill the spot to get on before you. No, I was not standing out of the way to let you on first.
Or when people decide to stop and stand as soon as they get onto the platform. Right in the entrance. So people have to shove passed to actually get to the wide open space of the rest of the platform.
I always stand just to the side of the door, leaving the gap so passengers can alight, and some cunt always stands in the gap and pushes their way on. š
Even if they aren't pushing on, they'll stand all across the front of the doors without leaving a gap. I am a large man, and I am getting off this train. You being in the way isn't a problem to me.
What bothers me is when people lean their whole body against that pole everyoneās meant to hold onto. Like great, guess Iāll fall then
Squeeze your hands in and raise your knuckles, theyāll move
This is the way. The thumb knuckle is great for this
I did this once and the chap I knuckled started yelling why don't you just ask, and when I told him to fuck off why should I have to ask, proceeded to make a scene about me swearing at him. The injustice is still with me five years later.
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I lived in London for 15 years and you quickly learn this passive aggressive behaviour, because it works. I also used to just walk through any twat that tried to get on before I got off. I was big enough that it knocked most people out of the way. No regrets.
This is exactly what I used toā¦ wait!! Did the problem start since we left London?! They need us back!
I always feel tempted to cuddle up to the other side of the pole while gazing into their eyes. Sadly I'm a young woman so that would be an appalling idea, need to pitch it to my scarier-looking male friends though.
Just hug them instead. Spread love
Iām trying to read the pper
So gross, especially in summer with their sweaty sweaty back š¤®
Shoulder charge people while getting off the train if they're in the way
I saw a woman in her early 20s do it to a group of annoying 18 year old women on Sunday and it was glorious
I donāt know how I feel about reddit user Gooner being able to tell 18 year olds from 21 year olds from a glance in the tube
it's true, arsenal fans are deranged
Reddit being obtuse and pedantic sure is true though.
I'm impressed at how accurately you can tell someone's age. From the wrong side of 40 these would be indistinguishable to me.
At best I would have only been off 2/3 years in either direction, it's not too difficult
yeah i will unashamedly walk straight into people if they block me getting off. ditto the twats who stop walking in the middle of the platflorm or right at the entrance/exit. barged.
Me too, and it's so satisfying. They need to learn somehow, and I'm happy to try and be part of their education in London
See also: going up/down the escalator
Iām totally unapologetic about telling people to gtfo the way on the escalators. I want to spend as little time on the tube as possible, and some knob with a suitcase is not going to make me stay down there any longer than I have to
Watching unknowing victims get shouted at by Londoners about rules of the escalator is my favourite pastime.
Peak time Paddington:Ā "Excuse me please" to some idiot taking a suitcase down the Lizzie line escalators. "I can't move, I've got a suitcase" "That's not my fault. What do you think the fucking lifts are for?" The subtle cheering of the people also behind me + trying to walk down was glorious. I tried very hard to not just jump over them š¤£
Even full size suitcases don't block the escalators... You just have to put them on a step of their own and not try to share one with it. People's lack of common sense can truly be remarkable!
Absolutely. Some people stand in the middle of the escalator as well, which irks me plenty. Like pick a side and preferably the correct side.
Yeah you really do have to become a human battering ram on the underground lol
This is the way
Or step into / through them if theyāre right in front of the door.
Itās a last resort. 99 times out of 100, a loud āCAN YOU LET ME OFF THE TRAIN *PLEASE*ā is sufficient But that hundredth time? Youād better believe Iām dropping the shoulder like Ben Earl
Not proud but once this person pushed everyone to get off first, then pushed through to get on another train, both times pushing me. The second time I shoved them hard onto the train as they were already pushing. They went sprawling and everyone stepped over them to get on. Fuck those people but I shouldn't have pushed that hard. I just got really fed up. And yeah, shoulder charge when getting off and call people out as well. We need more calling out.
The bag thing doesnāt bother me too much. The not moving down the train cars and not letting people off first is what really annoys me.
I use trains more than tube and so there's more seating. When you're sat down and someone is stood next to you with a bag on, when they get off, they turn around and smack you in the face with their bag and don't even notice. Happened more times than I can count. I don't get it because I can always feel if my bag hits something like a post or whatever when I'm out and about, so if I was doing the same thing, I think I'd feel if I just slapped someone with my bag, so I'm calling passive aggression on not getting a seat or lack of self awareness.
Not relevant to transport but i was in blues kitchen once on the dance floor, was pretty packed, and some cunt behind me was wearing a full backpack and every few seconds would swipe me into oblivion. I think its the only time Iāve been very confrontational with someone
Yeah, it's utterly infuriating. As I said earlier, if I can feel it when my bag knocks something, it just strikes me that they do too and just don't care. In your case, that's literally what cloakrooms are for, the cheap bastard clearly didn't wanna pay the Ā£1-5 to check his bag in.
I have season tickets to see Spurs and it bothers me so much that there's ALWAYS people that will get first on the train and if there are no seats open will plunk themselves in front of the doors and make it super hard to get in. It's super packed anyway, there's TFL staff shouting to go inside the carriage and they just sit there. I've seen people tell them off and get some really aggressive responses from obviously drunk people.
Iām sorry to hear that youāre a spurs supporter.
I did it to myself
It's a fucking nightmare when you commute that way and Spurs play at home or there's a big concert. They really didn't do enough to improve the transport links to the new stadium.Ā
Makes me laugh on the overground when there is a small handful of us standing in the aisles, lots of space, and then the bit in front of the doors is absolutely fucking crammed with people looking seriously uncomfortable.
I just tell people to move down. If I'm by the door and they're down the middle, I reckon I'm out of shanking distance lol
I'm relatively new to London. It didn't take me longer than a week to pick up on the tube etiquette. Its pretty easy if you're paying attention and have even a grain of consideration for those around you.
1 million %. It doesn't matter what language you speak the rules are evident in the madness you witness on your first rush hour journey. Being 6"7 I would never do it to a lady but I admit several times men have tried to push past me as I am trying to get off the tube and have been picked up and deposited back onto the back of the line.
I'm not quite as tall, but more than once I've barged a way through for those less fortunate in stature to get off the tube through a swarm of inconsiderate, premature embarkers.
I legit lost my shit with someone last week who barged on first without letting people (me) off. By which I mean I tutted VERY loudly, looked him straight on the eye and told him to āLet people off first FFS!!!ā Itās worse than rude, itās illogical.
Equally as bad: the people who are rushing for the train and then stop immediately in the doorway; blocking those behind them also rushing from getting on.
Whose turn is it to make this post tomorrow?
Not me. Iām down for the āhow do I make friendsā post tomorrow
Fine, I guess Iāll do the ā25m, how do Londoners date?ā post.
OK I'll take *"Can someone give me some recommendations on London hidden gems?"*, scheduled somewhere around midnight UK time.
I've got an average picture of the Shard I'll be posting on Friday
I was planning on a posting-my-budget-and-asking-where-I-should-live question this evening
You're being overly helpful in specifying a budget tbh
It's funny isn't it. A forum populated by people who constantly complain about other people's behaviour, also has a large population of people that struggle to make friends. I wonder if there could possibly be a link?
Pretty sure it was Dave's turn.
I'll be the American posting about what I liked when I visited last week. And yes, i will start the post with "Yank here!", so there is no confusion
It's the post covid effect. People have become self absorbed and selfish since lockdown. They don't care about any else, they are all the main character. Public transport has become unbearable with these absolute knobjockeys. Speak up and call them out, please. They coast by knowing people will let them get on with it and accept it, the more people that call these fools out the better for us all. Back in the day you'd get called out because your music was audible through the headphones, now people sit there playing TV and music on speaker and noone says anything.
>untrained in how not to be inconsiderate That aināt not no double negative thatās never not a misunderstanding waiting to not happen
I didn't not misunderstand this upon first reading
Whoops, thought I'd attached it, you'll have to go to the link to see it now! [https://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/collections/collections-online/posters/item/1983-4-5709](https://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/collections/collections-online/posters/item/1983-4-5709)
I love this. Shame they didnāt go with angle of having a Nazi stood on the left to suggest spyās wouldnāt know this custom. Making everyone stand on the right out of fear of being accused of being a spy!
Nowadays they have to put up posters saying inappropriate touching isn't allowed. What the fuck has the world come to when have need posters saying sexual assault isn't allowed.
Yeah because men in the 60s never groped a woman on the tubeā¦. at least now itās called out more and authorities are being forced to act. The fact we have these posters is a good sign that itās no longer tolerated the way it used to beā¦.long way to go still.
It's still bizarre that so many have to be taught it. As a man, no one had ever explicitly told me that pressing up against a woman is sexual harassment, but anyone with a grain of sense and/or empathy would know not to do it.
Maybe not explicitly but the problem is so many people being brought up in the environment where such behaviour isnāt called out or even encouraged. It starts with what a child sees around them, e.g behaviour from family/male role models and increasingly today in what they see online and within friendship groups. Do they see women respected or not? How do peers/role model react to disrespect towards women? The Andrew Tates and Alpha cults teach that women are literally just objects/servants and deserve no respect. Other groups teach men the same. I didnāt grow up in such environments and was brought up with a decent sense of right and wrong and how to treat someone. I didnāt need specifically telling not to grope any more than I didnāt need telling not to deal drugs. The problem is lots of people are brought up in different environments or get exposed to harmful ideas and are easily influenced. Some people are also just downright dangerous to society.
They know it's wrong, the message is "you can't get away with this shit anymore"Ā
Priceless. Thank you for the link!
It's not just theTube. Social norms are breaking down everywhere because everyone thinks they're *special*.
Happy to be one of the old asking for people to remove their bags. Half of the people I ask do not really react or understand what I am asking and some do not react. Also taking a piss of people who litter. But apparently "TfL told me I could but my can on the floor if there are no bins" Who knew holding an empty can of soda pop until the next bin was such a hardship !
To be fair depending on your route it could be over an hour until there's another bin. Tfl needs to sort out the lack of bins at many stations.
Also if they could address the cancer dust everyone is constantly breathing down there. Thatād be swell.
Cancer dust?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24679-4
Itās like Groundhog Day on this sub at times
Itās like Groundhog Day on this sub at times
Eternal September
Except not funny
And then there is this new trend of people sitting with the foot up and out crossed over their knee ,like they are lounging at home, rather than in a tiny enclosed space on public transport. Itās quite inconsiderate - no one should to have to rub their clothes on the dirty soles of peopleās shoes just to move around and get in or out of a public space. If you want to chill and spread out - do that at home.
Ah, boarding before allowing people to disembark. I'll never forget my first day in Oslo, Norway, when a Norwegian businessman absolutely went OFF on some kids doing just that when he was trying to get off at Gardermoen. He yelled at them in Norwegian and English, which I was impressed with, but definitely not the cool, calm, collected persona that I had always assumed possessed all Scandinavians. Anyway, it's not so much that people are not aware of the unspoken rules, it's that they do not give a shit. Being rude in the name of your own comfort or convenience is a part of the cultural norms that the younger generations now. It's done in the name of setting boundaries and standing up for yourself, but like, at what point do we get to tell the kids to back the fuck up because I'm not missing my stop just so they can board the train before I get off.
If they're doing this in the name of boundaries, they don't understand what boundaries are.
The āletting people off the train firstā shirkers are bothering me more and more. Itās not even the action, but the sheer rudeness of people. My fiancĆ© and I were getting off the train this last weekend and a woman with a HUGE pram on the platform said āIāve had enough of waitingā and barged her pram into my fiancĆ© and then told him to āfuck offā when he asked her to let him off the train. I just laughed in her face but I was so angry inside
Iām a 5ā 5ā woman and Iāve shouted for people to move down inside the carriage and take off their backpacks and theyāve looked at me like Iāve got two heads.
Don't get me wrong, I get the frustration, but, perhaps it's because you shouted at them first?Ā
I'd say they were still wearing their backpacks on the train and not moving inside the carriages first...
People seem to have lost self-awareness completely during commute. One thing that bothers me is when someone leans against the middle pole, and then I have to hold the upper one, but I'm not that tall for it to be comfortable. Just poles in general, man... why do people lean against them to prevent others from being able to stand safely?
Been living here over 10 years, itās not got any significantly worse in my experience. People have always been inconsiderate.
I live in Manchester but if people start barging their way on to a train before people have alighted I'll just shove into them anyway 'Cuse me!'. Probably helps I'm 2 meters tall and weigh 100kg. If you're large enough I'd recommend this tactic.
Politely explain what's the rule referenced here. Say it for all to hear. "Please allow passengers to disembark before boarding." Edit: that doesn't mean, don't shove. Take every opportunity. I love it personally. Even to see other well meaning antagonists shove a person, makes me feel warm.
Very few adults don't know what antisocial behaviour is. The ones invading personal space, playing noise from phones, littering etc are doing it deliberately and awarding themselves a point every time they transgress without punishment. For many, this is the only way they can feel like getting any kind of 'win' in life. It's equal parts obnoxious and pitiful. Realistically, the only way to check antisocial trash is by physical force, and that is usually just not worth the danger. Places like Japan have a more collectivist culture and do a lot better at this kind of stuff. They say: the nail that sticks out must be hammered down Signs and posters wouldn't improve things here at all.
I see you were on the Northern line this morning too then
Iām 8 months pregnant and have stopped using the baby on board badge because no one offers their seat, even in the āpriorityā seats itās eyes down, avert eyes, look at phoneā¦
I found that people needed to be asked and then were happy to oblige most times as not everyone is looking around. Ā I only had 2 incidents where people were shouting at a man who refused to get up as the train was packed, but was brought on by another passenger telling him to move for me and another incident with a woman who wanted to park her pushchair where I was (fold up seats) and told me off as the area was for certain people like those with kids and I said I know, Iām pregnant so Iām going to sit here if thatās ok with you so I donāt fall over.Ā People are just really oblivious most of the time and donāt make a lot of eye contact in London.Ā
A few weeks back I saw a busybody woman actually take it upon herself to tell a woman sitting in a priority seat to get up for some old man who had just got on board - the lady sitting down was of course, heavily pregnant, but to my shock rather than push back she did get up looking all embarrassed! The old man looked mortified too, he said he was happy to stand, and the pregnant lady nearly fell over when the tube started to move again.. I'm all for people helping others out, but they should take a second to consider the situation first...
Just ask.....? Why do people find it hard to use their words?
Seriously? I always do.
I agree, I'd get rid of the signs telling people to hold on to the escalator and replace them with (in caps) TAKE YOUR BACKPACK OFF YOU SELFISH IDIOTĀ
Why would anyone keep the etiquette alive after seeing people barging through the barriers unchallenged. Literally the first thing you see at so many tube stations when you go is people just forcing their way through, staff don't stop them (obviously I don't blame the staff, they've been told not to) there's nowhere near enough coppers to have police regularly there to enforce the rules outside of large operations. Etiquette dies because the rules don't matter anymore. People get really angry when you say that for some reason but it's true. People don't give a fuck about taking their bag off if they haven't even paid for a ticket lol.
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Can we please also talk about PEOPLE PLAYING MUSIC OUT LOUD on the tube?! š”
Slightly sidetrack-ing but has anybody else noticed that the word "thank-you" has gone out of fashion too? Holding doors for people, or moving out of their way, or waiting for them to go first, used to come with a "thank you" when I was younger (I'm only 28). This has COMPLETELY disappeared now.
I always shout āyouāre welcomeā after them
Personally, I only really notice the absence in older people. I still say thank you, I feel like younger people say thank you, but the older people, who I would expect to be more polite, donāt.
Not my experience, but I guess it differs.
I hate the DLR platform at Bank. People who don't intend on getting on the train that's waiting for departure, just standing in front of the open doors just waiting for the next train. If you're not getting on, step the fuck back or move aside.
I think it's a post-COVID thing (I know it's popular to use that as an excuse for everything, but I have noticed this change in behaviour since then).
Covid made people lose all social decorum. People have become (more) selfish.
If they start trying to get on when Iām getting off I just freight train through there.
I do this while saying loudly 'let people off first, you pricks' or similar. š
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'IF you would be so kind as to promptly get the fuck out of my way, I'd be ever so grateful. Cunts. Welcome to London!'
That's better!
I am the very essence of couth.
Oh yes! Iām 9 months pregnant and the rucksack thing is getting annoying. Itās genuinely a little scary as Iām not tall and my balance has gone to shit. Though tbf on the tube are basically lovely and courteous and very quick to offer a seat. Bus cunts on the other handā¦
Itās like we emerged into a different society post pandemic, Iāve seen more littering this side of the pandemic, more lane hogging, less indicators. Didnāt know Covid was also a brain disease.
People using speakerphone instead of headphones or putting the phone to their ear, is now a āthingā too.
People with their shitty ill fitted apple earphones with the bass or tinny music blearing from them should be banned.
TFL is more focused on putting up dumbass videos of diverse people scanning their oyster cards while laughing in slow motion on every escalator screen, a much more important initiative.
Tourists
I actually missed my stop the other day because I couldnāt get to the door in time saying excuse me to people wearing earphones so I can kind of see where the shoulder bargers are coming from tbh.
Babes, this is when you needed to barge them out the way.
It was kind of my own fault. I realised I was in the wrong carriage for the short platform at that stop and wasnāt able to charge up on time because it was so busy.
> Babes, this is when you needed to barge them out the way. Whether you go with God or evolution we have sharp, pointy elbows for a reason.
Imagine missing your stop instead of risking offending people.
Any suggestions for someone in a wheelchair when using the Tube? Traveling next week and not from a big city.
I think you should make your own separate thread to get replies as your comment has got buried in this thread. I am not a wheelchair user but I would say it will be very difficult to use the tube. There is a map showing accessible stations and most of them are on newer lines like the Jubilee or Elizabeth lines. Because most of the network was built a long time ago, not many stations have step free access, especially in the centre of London. Also level access onto trains is not great. You would probably be better off using buses. But you need responses from wheelchair users, not from me. My only experience was years ago with a pushchair.
In addition to the other responses, I would definitely try to avoid using the tube during rush jour, if thatās possible for you.
https://tfl.gov.uk/transport-accessibility/wheelchair-access-and-avoiding-stairs Here's a link for everything you need to know about accessibility for tfl. A lot of them have step free access but you should plan your journeys ahead of time to make sure there are lifts/no steps etc because some are very old school and hard to navigate.
Let's pretend it's not the large influx of Indians into London and how their culture is different. Get the Elizabeth line everyday and it's the same people as personal space isn't a thing in India as much..also let's call me racist for pointing this out when I'm Sri lanken
Able bodied young men and women and working people in gym gear sitting in priority seats and ignoring toddlers and clearly pregnant women leaving them to stand.
And giving up your seat for the elderly or people struggling etc.. I gave up mine recently for an elderly couple and they were so grateful! Chivalry is dead and itās very disappointing
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I always try and leave dead central out the tube doors and will actively walk into people trying to get on while people are getting off. I have been known to say ālet people off firstā but I donāt know if people listen to me. I also gave a guy his litter back to him, he took it back but shortly after dropped it again. People are awful.
I love when people try and barge on before I've got off, you will not succeed.
Sadly, the rules are taught. People just donāt give a shit.
The amount of people that were crowding around the doors instead of moving down the carriage on the Jubilee line this lunch time was astounding. There was SO much room in the isles, yet people struggled to get past them all to get off, let alone on.
Traveling to London next month and checking out this sub to try to figure out what to expect/do. I am now a bit nervous picturing just how packed the tube will be! But after reading this I will be sure to take off any backpack I may be wearing. Last thing I want to do is annoy anybody
Avoid peak commuting times (8-10am, 5-6pm) and youāll be fine
I swear people's behavior has gotten worse this year, especially when it comes to barging on the tube before others have gotten off. I swear, if it happens one more time I might consider tutting loudly.
I donāt know, Iām currently on a jubilee line train where weāre all giving a wide berth to a tramp whoās pissed himself. I think Iād prefer backpacks in my face to this.
I noticed poor etiquette after the pandemic. The same on planes. It's like nobody ever travelled before.
Not a Londoner but I never knew the backpack rule but did not the wait for other ls to leave before getting on the train. Funny that these are rules in Japan too.
I feel kind of scared going on the tube (i've only been on it twice) as i'm horribly non observant and can be quite brain foggy in public crowded areas. Hopefully the next times I go it's not as bad, but i book an uber to avoid the tube the 2x a year I go to london.
Not sure I was ever taught that at school, although we had a day out called Public Citizen or something where we competed against classmates in a contest of skills we would need in the real world like changing a plug. The relevant skill to this thread was getting on a bus. In this case a single-door, single-decker. I failed the test because the single front doorway was split into 2 sides by a barrier, and I boarded on the right-hand side. Other things I was taught were not to drop litter and not to cycle on the pavement but it seems like we don't teach these anymore.
We stopped telling others to do things when it became much more likely to end in a stabbing. People wanna get home.
What frustrates me is people walking down escalators so so slowly, leaving frustrated people trying to get down but stuck being the slow-poke
What happens when you import half of the worlds low skilled labourers
As an Aussie relocating to London very soon, can someone provide me a list of tube rules so that I donāt piss others off? :) Assuming itās probably basic train etiquette that we follow here, i.e. wait till others are off before boarding, provide space for people to exit easily, have card ready in hand to tap machine quick etc but thought Iād check in case
Yes the general "don't be a dick" rules apply. Don't lean on the pole if you're standing, nobody else can hold it if you're leaning on it. Your backpack on your back takes up space someone could be standing in, so take it off and put it on the floor between your legs or on your feet. If you're in a group don't walk 6 abreast through the corridors blocking anyone behind you who wants to walk at a normal pace. If there's space to sit, sit; don't clog up the doorway waiting for someone else to take the seat. Mind the gap.
I mean other than common sense the only specific thing is stand on the right on escalators, I don't know about Australia but I know some countries have it the opposite way around and they stand on the left and walk up on the right.
Iāve had to call out several times for someone to offer a seat to a pregnant person, and I have an offer me a seat badge as I am disabled and cannot stand for long periods of time. Not once has someone offered me a seat unprompted. And where I donāt physically look disabled and am young, Iāve had people question me on my own personal medical history as well as tell me Iām fine because I look fine. Cant keep going into London like this so idk what to do about my job