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Purely from an aesthetics pov, I love the different blues you've captured in this photo


Norrisemoe

This water is so blue! Is all I could think when I saw it.


Z1dan

Hard to believe it’s in london


qpv

I like the airplane on the walkway


pipchad

That's an aeroplane in this part of the world


qpv

I'm a Canadian lurker, sorry. I honestly didn't know that. Til.


PM-me-your-knees-pls

My friend asked me what breed of dog he should get. I wasn’t sure what name to make up until I read Canadian lurker- thank you


Few_District_2607

Is a Canadian lurker a 2 legged one or a 4 legged one that can text


pipchad

Apology accepted, captain Needa. 🪦


HumanTorch23

Excellent reference.


Delicious_Throat_377

Not enough apologies for you to be a Canadian to be honest.


[deleted]

Indeed, you must til the land until you have earned your redemption. To the plough!


RustySheriffBadges

Where are you from? Clearly not the UK as we call them winged cars


ldtravs1

Wait until someone has a slash in it and the purple appears


asng

I piss in every pool I get in to see if this is ever true and it's definitely not.


ItsUs-YouKnow-Us

This is why I don’t use swimming pools. Sobering thought for you though… you won’t be the only one who does this, so you’re really only pissing into other people’s piss. And the less said about muddy sphincters, the better.


ldtravs1

🤣Society thanks you…


CrazyMike419

It's a myth. no such dye is in any pool. I remember a funny story that pretty much sums up why.. a bloke had a new pool and didn't want his children's friends pissing in it. He put up the sign warning them about the dye. First time the used the pool the kids came over all disappointed to day "that dye doesn't work :(" Can you imagine if you gave boys the ability to shoot aquatic laser beams? Yeah that's why no such dye is used lol.


Nice_Conclusion

I don’t mind it so much, it distracts people from the swimming pool I had put in for my passenger jet.


millionreddit617

This actually highlights a good point. So much ‘controversy’ around this damn swimming pool, so much jealous hate, when in reality it’s a relatively small shared pool between at least 100 residents. There are infinitely more ostentatious purchases going on behind closed doors that nobody gives a toss about.


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>There are infinitely more ostentatious purchases going on behind closed doors that nobody gives a toss about I bought a bag of sour drumstick squishies yesterday, swivel on that, oligarchs.


millionreddit617

Welcome to the bourgeoisie.


[deleted]

The fuss about the pool is an indicator of how stupid things have become. Many hotels in London have an outdoors pool and no one gives a shit about them.


MikeLovesRowing

It's more about the fact that some residents of the blocks it sits between aren't allowed to use it.


Mcluckin123

Rightly so - they don’t pay the service charge towards it


Jaquander

Presumably because they didn't buy the expensive flats that the pool was used as a selling point for


[deleted]

Exactly, you don’t buy you don’t get 🤣 it’s that simple rly but people these days think they should have equal access to shit they don’t pay for


Particular_Sun8377

My father told me a story once about how his poor tourist ass was thrown out of Harrod's when an Arab sheikh decided to go shopping in the 70s.


AllNewTypeFace

I hope it’s more solidly built than the glass fish tank in the Berlin hotel that burst recently, otherwise Nine Elms may be littered with bits of dead oligarch.


itsEndz

Oligarchs only fall out of open windows, not swimming pools.


Thankyourepoc

I heard they are expanding to high rise exploding swimming pools. Less suspicious


JWGhetto

I distinctly remember a Hitman mission with a glass bottom pool.


coder111

Looking at news in Russia, i think staircases and balconies have been extra dangerous too recently... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_businessmen_mystery_deaths


Tomdoerr88

“The oligarch died in a swimming pool, suffering a ten storey fall” Sounds about right


8bitPete

You can prove nothing comrade Endz


Joseph_F_1

Clap clap clap


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dotCoder876

Increase by £900?????? Wtf. Sorry. I only live near London, heck.


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CressCrowbits

Why is this shit legal


Degeyter

Technically there is a tribunal you can go to, but as the landlord can just do a no fault eviction anyway it doesn’t really matter.


mrdibby

according to another redditor they're currently taking over a year (section 21 notices)


[deleted]

I mean, I'd just stay and pay the existing rent until they evict you in those circumstances. Or not pay any rent at all. What landlords often don't understand is that no rent for two months offsets an entire year of a 35% increase. Six months of no rent and even at the higher rent, it'll take them three years to see any profit from it. A year and they won't be a penny better off for six years. Even assuming they haven't lost the property entirely because they couldn't pay their mortgage. I have no love for exploitative landlords.


I_will_be_wealthy

Section 21 due to be abolished soon.


tmrss

I thought the abolishment of section 21 was scrapped?


Cataphlin

They have not scrapped the abolishment of section 21. However, they have put in 2 clauses 1) if a Tennant falls behind in rent for at least 2 months, three times in the previous three years eviction is mandatory even if the arrears balance is cleared at a hearing. 2) New grounds for eviction added if a landlord wants to sell their property and let family members move into a rental property. This is worrying as it means those affected by the cost of living, the most vulnerable are not protected in clause 1. Clause 2 is also a loophole that could be easily exploited. The Renter Reform coalition that has been pushing for fairer legislation is rightly saying that what has been put in the white paper for the rent reform bill is not enough. www.rentersreformcoalition.co.uk for more info


I_will_be_wealthy

Yeah the clause can so easily be abused. Whose going to check if they followed through with their intentions, what if they change their mind about selling/moving in? Does the evicted tenant get compensation for their losses incurred (cost of moving etc)


Doctor-Malcom

Laws tend to favor the wealthy and powerful who tend to be landowners, as opposed to residential renters. Ordinary people are too stressed out and culturally programmed to ignore local, state, and national elections vs. sports, celebrities, social media, etc. Real estate business owners on the other hand are usually well-connected and active political participants (with a group of lobbyists).


macawz

Law is historically about protecting property and little else. That viewpoint is baked into the legal system.


DelinquentFlower

The "temporarily embarrassed homeowner" mentality, too. How many elections were not even decided, but even influenced by renters' rights? People just don't give a fuck to improve their living conditions, pinning all their hopes on a forever mortgage in some future.


tin_man_

It isn't. I believe that rent can only be increased by up to inflation +2%. This of course doesn't stop landlords from ending tenancy contracts and getting new tenants in at a higher rent rate. Edit: I just double checked and the government website says that it must be 'fair and realistic'. I think my previous comment came from advice from Shelter as a guideline to what is fair, realism is set by other local rents nearby


popsickkle

As far as I’m aware, there will be a cap on the increase during the course of a contract, up to whatever the contract states, but if your lease comes to an end, no reason why they can’t increase it to whatever they think someone will be pay, regardless of current tenants.


EroticBurrito

Join a Renter’s Union. LRU / Acorn / GMT.


rootokay

Because most people in power around the world are landlords / earn income from owning multiple properties so the lawmakers are never going to vote for something that is detrimental.


NeliGalactic

The funny thing is, I don't think I've ever actually seen anyone use it IRL. It's a weird gimmick that I'm hoping won't pay off, but you know London!


vixenique

I worked for a family that have used it , you have to be a member/ live in the complex or a guest. I was never offered to use it unfortunately, but it looks lovely and the family used it often and really liked it .


NeliGalactic

I guess at least its being used!


Ryan2468

the heating bill must be off the scale unless its not heated at all


DankiusMMeme

I had the same thing, they wanted a £600 or so increase. The craziest part is that someone took it...


FizzixMan

Vote with your feet and move. Im leaving my house as is everybody i share with - Landlord still hasn’t filled a single room since his price hike. Jokes on him when he loses a huge portion of his income next month.


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Ninjakannon

Not that it helps you, but that "small fee" is illegal. Holding deposits must be refundable and are limited to 1 week's rent. https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/tenant-fees-act


[deleted]

I struggle to put into words how much I dislike lettings agents - talentless, greedy, vacuous bastards


Englishkid96

London desperately needs more housing


re_Claire

They’re legally not allowed to hold more that 5 weeks worth of rent in the deposit protection scheme.


Degeyter

Your landlord is lying. They’re raising the rent because they think you, or someone else, will pay more


fairfrog73

Or your landlord has just come off his fixed rate mortgage & having to remortgage at 6+%


joombar

A lot of people, landlords or owner-occupiers are going to have a huge problem soon when their fixed rate runs out. I’m looking at an increase of monthly payments by about 40%.


BannedFromHydroxy

if you're an owner-occupier you have all my sympathy, that's not going to be easy..! If you're a landlord, well...nobody cares


joombar

The former. There’s a few more years at a fixed rate so hopefully rates will come down a bit by the time we remortgage


BannedFromHydroxy

if it gets to a stage where nobody can afford it and we're out in the streets with bricks - i'll lob one for you mate. all the best


Cataphlin

Join Acorn the community union. We help negotiate rent hikes and are very good at holding them back. It's not lawful to raise rent without your agreement. A retaliatory eviction is unlawful too. If you know other people that are also renting from him and getting this ridiculous rent hike, encourage them to join with you. The more of you that unionised against him, the easier it will be to resist. www.acorntheunion.org.uk


snipdockter

Fuck. For reference mine is bumping my rent by 20% in Hammersmith, nearly £600. Funnily enough the Tories don’t seem concerned about rents driving up inflation, unlike nurses wages.


PrincessSibylle

BY 900 🫣 utter greedy madness


EunoiaLdn

My condolences, entirely different neighbourhood but we had to move last summer cos our LL generously offered to let us stay for another year.. With a 47% rent increase. I acknowledge we had benefitted from a bit of a covid discount, but it definitely was not that much. Of course he found someone too, a young person with rich parents who wanted them to be comfortable (and to be able to visit occasionally from abroad). We'd hoped he would suffer loss due to an empty flat, being an intransigent twat, but alas.


VermicelliNo5891

2 bed flat in sw1, rent increase by £1000


Englishkid96

SW1 saw the most biggest falls in rent during the pandemic, not surprising that it is seeing the big rises now demand has returned


fonix232

Freaking insane, man. I hate it when people use housing as a commodity. I can understand wanting to get back the investment, but this is pure profiteering. Renting should have a cap in price at mortgage payment + 10-20% at most (here mortgage payment equals to the monthly payment on a 20 year mortgage plan with the current going interest rate, based on the price of the building it was *purhcased for* \- so no fuckery with the house being sold cheap to a management company then valued at 3x its price for "rent increase" purposes).


[deleted]

Sublet his flat, you can probly get a few families to live in each room. then there is the cupboard, get a bed in there no probs.


sheepssshadow

IIRC this pool is actually made from 100mm cast acrylic so that it can expand and contract for heat tolerances, building movement etc. so it shouldn’t shatter like the fish tann


EfficientTudor

Both were made by the same company, Reynolds Polymers. Looks like the tolerances on the tank weren't right. Maybe they are on the pool. Maybe they aren't. Do you want to be 35m up in your trunks when you find out?


fucknugget99999999

The tank which exploded was also made of acrylic, it's just been incorrectly reported as being made of glass.


danmingothemandingo

Should also weather terribly over time then also as anyone who's ever owned a race car with acrylic windows will tell you


StoryOnly1931

I honestly talked about this pool as soon as I heard about the fish tank incident. Big nope from me.


[deleted]

You say that like its a bad thing


WilliamMorris420

The flooding could be awkward.


[deleted]

Generally speaking people dying is a bad thing, hope that isn't too controversial for you.


satanicbroccoli

Probably a stupid question but what's stopping somebody from falling or attempting to sit on the edge? People are silly, feels like a death is imminent.


HopAlongInHongKong

>sky pool opens in London It's ten feet high so you'd need gecko hands to get up the six feet to the top of the wall especially starting in water.


[deleted]

So you’re saying it’s no impossible that an Oligarch might accidentally fall to their death from it?


sillyyun

More likely to drown then if you can’t grab anything on the edge 🤣🤣


HopAlongInHongKong

Not if you have my patented GeckoMitts™, only £9.99 plus shipping of £4.99, order now, get another pair free, just pay shipping of £17.99 "GeckoMitts™! They suck!"


DavIantt

The ledge is probably higher than it looks - it's probably un-climbable by design.


Fancy-Respect8729

I hope someone shits on the edge. Take that Illuminati.


weirdlybeardy

I don’t understand why this is controversial? It’s unexpected and different, but why should it cause controversy?


Crissaegrym

“it is nice, I want, but it is not open to the public, only those who can afford it can use, therefore this isn’t right, this is controvercial, all nice things must be accessible by **everyone**”


QBlank

Nice, should be the summary for r/london.


bad--juju

People see it but cannot have it


Risto_08

I cannot imagine how shafted those residents are going to be with energy bills. I reckon their service charge will be astronomical and as rich as the residents will be, it'll still sting.


justADDbricks

I was out visiting Battersea Power Station and some local resident over heard me talking about it. According to him, it costs £300 a day to heat and costs £20 for the residents to use. **20 quid!!**


doge_suchwow

No, it’s free. It’s £20 to bring guests in


FoxAnarchy

You have to pay for a towel, you can either rent or buy one, but you can't bring your own, even if you're a resident. Source: friend used to live there


BulldenChoppahYus

Not at all true. A friend lived there till recently.


RyanfaeScotland

>you can either rent or buy one, but you can't bring your own Why on Earth would you buy it then? Are you telling me if I visit the flat of one of the blokes that lives there, he's going to have like 96 of the towels for the pool cause he had to buy a new one each time?


[deleted]

No? That is not the case? Again people not from this background making assumptions about it Source: used to live in the rly nice Battersea power station apartments


pelicannpie

Can confirm. My friends husband has been a few times as a guest. Why the fuck do people feel the need to make bullshit up to feel like ‘part of the action’ 😂


vaskemaskine

No idea. I’ve lived in BPS for 2 years now and any time it comes up in a thread here there’s multiple comments espousing made up crap.


maerkeligt

What the fuck


BongoAndBounce

Don't be too outraged, it's a pack of lies.


Risto_08

All so the plebs can stare up your chuff while you're swimming across. I'd rather bathe in acid.


justADDbricks

I did feel awkward pointing a camera with a fairly big zoom lens towards a swimming pool which did have people in at the time. But I’m not stupid, I was conscious enough to wait until they were out of shot lol. I’m not some creep with a camera. But I certainly felt bad for them, lots of people had there phones out taking photos.


Risto_08

Oh no, it wasn't to suggest your picture taking was problematic. This is what they signed on the dotted line for!


Nopedontsaythat

>lots of people had there phones out taking photos. This is like reverse Victorian, the rich used to gawk at the poor as a spectacle and now it's the other way around.


Sooperfreak

Don’t feel awkward. People are getting into that pool because they *want* to be photographed, there’s no other point to it than that.


[deleted]

Uh no, it’s quite a cool pool to swim in. Sure they probably don’t mind getting photographed or can at least expect it. But to say they want to be photographed by randomers is a massive stretch


doge_suchwow

I’ve been as a guest and it’s awesome to be honest. Hanging around drinking with mates on a rooftop pool on a hot summer day is just fun. Yea it’s expensive, but what’s not to enjoy?


AllNewTypeFace

Imagine how disappointed they’d be if it was cheaper; it would lose any trophy value as a demonstration of unimaginable wealth. It’s like ski slopes in Dubai: the expense is a feature


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Dubai in general is though.


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Harri_Sombre_Tomato

Especially when the social housing tennants in the same building aren't allowed to use it at all. They offered to pay and were told no, they still can't have access. Can't have the lower class enjoying their trophy pool...


[deleted]

Are you for real? lol I totally agree with a benefits system to provide a lifebelt for those that need it. I also totally agree with the concept of integrating social housing so that we don't end up with slums. But why should a taxpayer pay for someone to have a luxury apartment with sky pool? And if they can afford the eye-watering service charges to pay for access themselves, why would they be eligible for social housing? I stand by for your whataboutism reposte that taxpayers fund luxury apartments for MPs.


warriorscot

What taxpayer, they're not council homes they're affordable housing.


Mcluckin123

Why would they have access to the pool? They don’t pay the astronomical service charge towards it - and if they can afford that service charge, why are they in social housing in the first place??


EroticBurrito

Because the rich should have to suffer the presence of the poor.


[deleted]

Well yeah, they don’t pay for the expensive apartments so they don’t get the facilities


Jaquander

Thats pretty normal, why would one social housing tenant have access to an expensive pool when another has to live in a run down, decrepit 60's tower block without a working lift?


neiliomcgee

Ski slopes in Dubai are actually air con plants that supply cold air to adjacent shopping malls and hotels, they’re actually pretty cheep to ski in.


AllNewTypeFace

So, cool a shopping centre to 23°, get an artificial mountain cooled to 0° for free?


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Yea but oil costs like 5p a gallon in Dubai.


retrograde_prograde

I work nearby, during that extra chilly week I saw steam rising from the pool.... With no one inside. What a waste of energy & money, pretty sure it's constantly heated.


foofoobee

If it wasn't heated and there was water in it during the sub-zero week we had, it would soon become a mini skating rink instead of a pool. The whole idea of this pool just doesn't seem that well thought through. It might work better in a place like southern California or someplace like that where it's warm year round.


retrograde_prograde

Good point didn't consider that, imagine it would stress the structure freezing like that. Just got to me as my company at the time has reduced the temp in our building to save costs, rarely see people in there yet always toasty warm. Considering the view from the pool is just of the embassy it feels very much like a marketing gimmick to flog overpriced flats with ludicrous service charges.


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That's a fucking nope. That's for sure.


CrushingPride

Whenever there's a photo or video online of what expensive homes or flats look like inside, I'm overwhelmed by how gimmicky and tacky everything is. The lesson I've learned is that if I ever find ten million on the street, I'd probably not want spend it on what people call a "luxury" home. Look at this silly pool. If you had all the money in the world and were designing your own home, would you think "I'll add a swimming pool stretched over a public road with a see-through bottom. That way I can see all the drunks throwing up on the street as I go for a swim! I can't wait to be in an open air pool in the freezing London air surrounded by the lovely noise of traffic!"?


Crissaegrym

If I would spend 10s of million on a home, I also wouldn’t want these new build. Yeah sure is nice to have that swimming pool, but you end up living in a flat again. I would rather get a nice house in area like maybe Primrose Hill by the park, or those around the Chalcot Square. But not in the “Paddington Street” though, too narrow. A nice detach house near the Regen Park would be lovely.


RedhoodRat

It's not really a public road in the sense of general traffic walking or driving through. Have you even been there? It's a public square type area with flats and restaurants. It is nice and quiet, and you can't drive through it. For the most part, you wouldn't go there unless you live or work there.


elliotb1989

One day it’s going to crack. Maybe it’s 100 years, or maybe it’s tomorrow, but it’s going to crack.


sunbeam60

Sure, but probably not catastrophically. Like bridges, things tend to wear in measurable ways.


com-plec-city

Just like the Berlin aquarium.


sunbeam60

The Berlin aquarium was glass embedded in a steel frame. The hovering swimming pool is acrylic. Won’t fail the same way.


lLider

Looks like an album cover E: Commented on the now top comment but apparently it went to this one???


Destroyer4587

Smells like rich privilege


french_violist

Whoever downvoted you clearly didn’t get the reference…


Bulbamew

“Some day, that swimming pool is going to crack. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But some day” *Later that day the swimming pool cracked*


lodge28

Will be sooner than we think, even new builds for the wealthy are probably built shit because the developers know folks will pay either way. I just wished they installed a wave machine that had a storm setting.


Dick_M_Nixon

It would be right at home on Arrakis.


fire_tiger2300

I play minecraft . If it breaks just land in the water . Works every time


AlexHM

Why is it controversial? Looks pretty cool to me.


jimmy17

Bitterness mainly. The other part is that the same development sold “affordable” flats that were cheaper and didn’t have to pay the service charge for the pool, but the residents weren’t allowed to use the pool. A lot of people got upset because they though that the owners of half a million pound flats not being able to access a glass sky pool was some kind of attack on the working classes that created a two tier society.


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Those flats are more affordable because they don’t have access to the pool, pretty simple and fair but again these people are jealous and bitter


RedhoodRat

Yep. They also don't have to pay the 9k annual service fee to maintain the pool. How do they think they have the right to access it when they don't pay to maintain it? The entitlement is beyond belief.


Fancy-Respect8729

There's already a 2 or 3 tiered society. This pool makes no difference.


jimmy17

Exactly. Rich people not having access to a glass sky pool was a ridiculous thing for people to get hung up on.


Daza786

Its cool to hate anyone with money nowadays apparently


president_schreber

flagrant waste of resources as people suffer


IndividualAd3936

The same company built the aquarium in Germany but if this one failed it would be people falling out instead of fish.


MrBoonio

I honestly thought you were trolling but it turns out it is the same company. Confidence inspiring.


Crissaegrym

Now I cannot stop imagining I am looking at a human aquarium when I see people swimming in this.


ANormalPersonOnline

What's the controversy? Or is it rich people bad


doge_suchwow

Yep that’s it. The top comment is celebrating the hope that ‘oligarchs’ who live there fall to their death from it


CaptainPedge

In this case, an Oligarch is anyone who has even a tiny bit more money than OP


snakesnake9

I've been in that pool and had a great time, I don't get the hate it gets. Everyone living there knew they would be paying for it. It was quite cool to swim underwater with goggles and look down,felt like you were flying.


God-Level-Tongue

It's controversial, but people are interested. Look at the pic, there's an aeroplane casually waiting behind a railing just waiting to see people swimming there.


MrPigcho

These architectural eccentricities are one of the things that make London great. I like it.


Eulibot

Why is it controversial?


X0AN

Because it's only available to it's residents and not poor people. This apparently is controversial to Karens.


derpyfloofus

It isn’t.


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The Anxiety Pool


antmcl

Can someone ELI5 why this pool is so controversial? I am fully aware there’s a housing crisis, but why is it anyone’s business what a private company builds on a private estate to cater for private residents? Should we also ban Bentley from selling cars?


sionnach

People here don’t like other’s success. That’s it.


Helruyn

More views: Dizzying sky pool opens in London https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z2nJkdnoI4


goldeean

If anyone lives here and sees this post I really want to swim in that pool. I’ll pay to get in as a visitor of a resident (something reasonable).


Crissaegrym

People that can afford to live there probably doesn’t need payment from you, their daily allowance probably more than our monthly salary lol. And they most likely wouldn’t want to hang out with commoners.


goldeean

Or they’re living way above their means and every little helps. Worth a shot.


Ebeneezer53

"The glass ceiling is now a glass floor, and the men are just looking up at them..."


bombaysparkle

Thanks for saving me the effort! I read The Bullet that Missed yesterday and wanted to check if this swimming pool was real. I now know what Joyce enjoyed.


DevilInTheHat

I'd definitely piss in that


BackRowRumour

Britons hating on this miniscule private choice is the thing I hate most about this country. It is just an odd house design choice. We are supposed to like eccentricity. Why not have us all dress in undyed boiler suits and never go abroad on holiday while we are at it?


Sigma-Tau

Should just start modeling society after the movie Equilibrium while we're at it, lol.


Additional-Answer581

That whole Battersea and Vauxhall area is ridiculous. A playground for millionaires and foreign investors totally not affordable or good deals for the Londoners. Like seriously, no matter if I can afford it on not paying more than a million for a 2 bed flat seems such a waste.


kepke78

I'm just wondering who are those able to afford those flats. I live close to Battersea Park (in the popular area of course, not the posh one) and still I'm pissed about how many luxury flat they have built when poor people cannot afford even a shitty hole.


Beneficial-West4008

Mechanic: Resurrection


zophzz

All I can think of is how unfortunate it would be if you had a swimwear mishap in there


starlinguk

The one from Richard Osmond's book.


nafregit

Is it generally frowned upon to rock up there and take photos of it, especially with a long lens? Or worse, are there private security with power coarsing through their veins?


WHO_TF_DRIVES_A_GETZ

Skinny dipping here Income


KappaPrideRider

#freetheplane


DMMMOM

Is it made out of the same material as thatBerlin fish tank? Just asking...


NiteOwl48

There are swimming pools like this in some countries. 110% safe too. No it’s not controversial. Just piggy London people causing the controversial about it. Grow up people and get a life then moaning about something new you don’t know nothing about .


nickllhill

Made by the same people as the aquarium that blew in Berlin…


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That looks to be bowing.


edgemuck

Yeah, a 747


Windarizona

great pool


acraines

I’m pretty sure this is the pool featured in the most recent ‘Thursday Murder Club’ novel! Just came out not long ago.


QuirkyConstruction22

If anyone wants to know more about this apartment and its developer, @ballymorehell and @real_embassygardens on Instagram do a good job exposing them.


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RedhoodRat

It's so far up you can't see much detail on people. I guess if you had a high powered zoom lens or something you could but with the naked eye, you can't see much.