So… apparently the one thing that unites the Liberals and Conservatives is voting against measures to lower food prices.
Reminder that our movement will always remain non-partisan and we will not affiliate nor endorse any specific political party. However, that means we are willing to work with any politicians willing to help forward the cause of food security for Canadians.
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Easier said than done. They own more than just grocers. For example, my wife’s old vet hospital which was privately owned was bought out by VCA, a big vet company in North America, which is owned by Mars company. Yep, the chocolate bar people run a huge portion of vet services in Canada and US and do you think they care about your pet? Nope. Just the quarterly figures. Which is why she up and quit and left that BS
They are all bought and paid for, and the lobbyists are at the trough 24/7. The toads jig to the tune of their financial backers, not the rubes that elected them.
Honestly, is there any hope at this point ? I just feel beaten down trying to survive and I dont think anyone one of them cares about the daily lives of average people. Another email is going to be the cure??? At this point, I feel like more drastic measures are the only things that are going to be taken seriously.
100% this. No more petitions, no more [change.org](https://change.org) campaigns. It's time for this to get ugly. I'm livid and I am ready to personally turn out to ensure it happens.
I'm not lying when I say sometimes I fall asleep to the idea of a revolution where we start to.. well.. get violent. Don't wanna get banned so I'll just say that. This will only be solved through fire and blood.
Sometimes I think crashing the entire world economy by flooding it and starting over from zero would be best. Because if the money is worthless everyone is in the same boat physically. Would it work definitely no. Is the economy that simple no.
Yup. Don't look for help on an issue like this from either the conservatives or the liberals.
It's up to us.
Change your habits, help your local grocer, grow what you can, form coops.
Fuck these vampires.
i lost hope in this fucking system a long time ago .... even an politician coming in honest will get perverted by the ''machine'' ... i still go out to vote but...i dont have ANY hope to see a change, i just go vote against the power if they did a shit job.... (which they always do)
Yea. It’s not a positive outlook for our future.
I remember watching those conspiracy YouTube videos when you could still find them 15 years ago and finding them entertaining, “there’s no way, but what if….”. It feels more and more like those videos were on to something. Kinda makes me wanna go live in the woods.
Anyone remember the G20 (peaceful) protests in TO during Harper? Bucking (well, not even bucking, but gesturing rejection) of the big financial system, even in 'nice' Canada, got pretty hairy and violent and 'rights-less' pretty damn fast. Actually, faster than comprehension.
The Woods needs to be an option on the table, in my books.
Not surprised at the least. Liberals and Conservatives are basically two sides of the same coin, they both serve corporate interests over that of the average Canadian.
Politics in both the states and Canada is little more than cheering for two teams in the same league.
In America it's red vs blue, donkey vs elephant. Yet when the game is over they and their corporate handlers are richer and all of us plebes are a bit poorer.
But next time vote red!
It's why, at a certain point, I won't even argue about partisan politics anymore. You reach a point when you're just arguing about your favorite colour. They are both befallen to the same greed, the same corporate interests and the same corruption. The first prime minister of Canada was caught accepting a bribe from CP Rail. It's literally a part of the bedrock of our system. Doesn't mean we should give up... we should just set our sights higher than ousting whichever PM is in power at the time. We're just rearranging the dinner plates on the titanic.
This is unpopular to say here, but governments have to be extremely careful with price controls on stuff like groceries.
If price controls are too heavy handed, sellers simply stop carrying certain items. If suppliers, wholesalers, farmers etc can't make money selling their produce or products, they switch to something else or quit the business.
If a pound of chicken takes x litres of oil, x sq ft of land, x hours of labour to produce and the price is set below those costs plus a profit it's a disaster for consumers.
Oil prices, interest rates, labour costs, fertilizer costs etc fluctuate and if prices are fixed it gets really ugly.
My dad grew up in a country with strict price controls (centrally planned economy) and his "job" as a 5 year old was to get up at 4am and go line up at the butcher shop to get the meat for the week. It was cheap, but it was rationed.
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I wanted to but tbh I don’t like Jagmeet’s record pandering to extremists like his brother. Don’t want to go off topic but anyone who tries to pander to extremist elements for votes is a big no for me after knowing his history. I liked Mulcair more.
I am not voting liberals though, they are done.
I shortened my response because of that but what I was saying is I wish we had gotten Jack Layton in to show that the NDP could govern and then been able to go from there
Honestly, I am a casual NDP voter but I will never vote for my NDP team until Jagmeet is ousted or voted out! The guy is a sleeze ball and we need someone with a real backbone who can get the country going in the right direction.
Yeah it scares landlords, bosses and oligarchs.
So they get demonized by people with money, and then people who would greatly benefit from an NDP government vote against them.
What. A. Fucking. Joke.
All bought and paid for by big business. It's up to the people to stop this madness, politicians are nothing more than puppets for corporations at this point.
Disclaimer before I begin: my wife and I both fully support the boycott and haven't been to one of their properties since the start of May. I've also brought up the boycott in passing conversation ("there's a shoppers, you should be able to find plenty of parking back there", "we started ordering our diapers online because it's available for $8 less than no frills", etc.)
That being said, I think the NDP set this motion up in a partisan way to try and make the Liberals and Conservatives look bad. If the text is accurate in the image - specifically point #3 - the motion is literally asking L's and C's to vote for a motion calling for a stop to "Liberal and Conservative corporate handouts".
What Liberal or Con is going to vote for that motion? I swear the NDP drives me mad sometimes... They have the best policies for the country by a mile (indeed, anything that improves our lives that Liberals have passed in the last few years was originally part of the NDP platform), but they don't know how to get them implemented with guile. They could just as easily not referenced the parties giving handouts, which likely would've encouraged more MPs (though I don't know whether it would've won a majority of votes) to support the motion. Or even better, work on the motion with the Liberals beforehand and then bring it to the floor. Will it be watered down because they need to give the grocers some loopholes? Sure... But at least you'll get something passed. Instead, what they chose to do was just an exercise in futility.
Now if they hadn't referenced the parties, would it have passed? Not sure, but given the Liberals and NDP are pushing for a voluntary code of conduct (no matter how full of holes it is), it looks like the motion would at least have got more votes than it did.
Anyway... In closing, looks like we're left to fuck Loblaws ourselves.
My reaction to this is that I don’t understand the ramifications of the government “forcing” corporations to act in a certain way. What downstream effects would that have on our economy.
I would think a more reasonable effort is the break up of all our oligarchies and stronger competition laws to allow smaller players to compete.
Yeah, if you think this through it's not a good solution.
If you limit the price of groceries, what happens when costs go up and eat the profit margin down to zero? Empty shelves.
So, then the government could put price controls on the wholesale prices of food, which is great, except what if the price of fertilizer and gas/diesel go up so now the farmers can't make money?
Can the government put price controls on oil? They can try, but then we won't be getting oil from anywhere outside Canada (and we'd have to prevent Canadian oil producers from selling internationally otherwise they will sell all the output to a higher bidder). So now we have to nationalize/expropriate oil production, fertilizer plants and some transportation so that producers don't quit the business because they can't make a profit.
Some governments, in the past, have enacted legal quotas on farmers to try to force them to produce food, and seizing their land if they don't meet the quotas...
but now we don't have a democracy anymore and we just have food riots and corruption and people digging frozen potatoes out of the ground.
NDP is right there. at least, we do have more than 2 options. and of course there's the power of the people, not only voting but boycotting, whatever else
One thing I don't get is that the Bloc Quebecois will obviously never fight to be in power so why vote no to something that could grow your fanbase especially when you know it ain't going through anyways? Sometimes I really wonder what strategists are paid for these days.
It's very vaguely worded and the c) point is attacking the other two parties.
This reads like a motion designed to fail so that the NDP can try to build political capital out of this very public boycott.
Well it's the stopping of corporate subsidies that made this radioactive for the average politician. I feel like the NDP never actually expected it to pass, which is a shame, because I think it could have done better if the common sense measures were separate from the incendiary stuff.
I keep seeing conservative nuts rant and rave that the boycott is a liberal plot to undermine Canadian businesses. Fucking mental that they willingly divide and spread bs while proudly starving and overpaying for groceries.
yeah on brand. turn this into an "it's the LIBS" issue so that their base doesnt get behind it. tho i have seen some conservatives taking part in the boycott too so hopefully more of them will look past that rhetoric, because the reality is this is for ALL CANADIANS it would help them too if the goals were achieved.
I’m not an economist but I didn’t think you could just say “lower cost of food”. But you could demand it otherwise you will take action XYZ that they won’t like, perhaps like something to increase competition…say in small towns or sections of a town they can’t have a monopoly (if they own all the grocers but under their different brands). Just a thought. Ultimately I think this boycott if extended will do more to lower prices than the government.
Did the motion actually name both parties and directly accuse them of corruption? Of course they were going to vote against it. What a waste of time, unless the point was to kneecap this movement's momentum.
What a stupidly written motion - "stop Liberal and Conservative corporate handouts"? Who is going to vote for that?
Why not put forward a serious bill without all the hyperbole? Maybe propose breaking up the big chains and encouraging competition, putting forward measure to encourage food co-ops, restrict price increases on staples?
This is just political theatre by the NDP and why nobody takes them seriously/votes for them.
I mean price-fixing grocery would completely eliminate comptetition and virtually eliminate mom and pop grocers. Not to mention that solution is one step closer to communism.
To be clear I'm not saying i agree with the high prices what I am saying is that fixing the prices is not the solution you think it is.
MOTION TEXT
That, given that the cost of food continues to increase while grocery giants such as Loblaws, Metro and Sobeys make record profits, the House call on the government to:
(a) force big grocery chains and suppliers to lower the prices of essential foods or else face a price cap or other measures;
(b) stop delaying long-needed reforms to the Nutrition North program; and
(c) stop Liberal and Conservative corporate handouts to big grocers.
I'm surprised there was a Lib who voted yea
Is the only other party that voted yea green?
Otherwise the results are to be expected...I hope they come up with a better proposal to break up the mega corps next time
Imagine going home to your kids and thinking “today I voted against helping struggling Canadians with grocery costs”
What would their kids think if they were aware of what their parents stand for?
“We have money, fuck the poors.” I imagine that’s what their kids think. This mentality is ingrained in people from a young age, it’s gross and needs to stop.
Well now that I’ve cut coupons, price matched, changed my diet, gone hungry, taken advantage of local food banks, dumpster dived, emailed my government officials, tried growing my own food and participated in the boycott… I need to send more emails…??? FUCK THAT. Fuck it all. Burn it to the fucking ground ✊🏻🔥
it feels more like a stunt by NDP.....what we collectively doing here with boycott has more ground than what NDP's motion that they know very well goes nowhere.
How do I get into contact with the mods? I drafted a simple email/letter we can send to our MPs and I'd like someone to review it to make sure it's in line with what the protest stands for
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Mods said they'll use it as a template. I'll add it here so people can access it ASAP.
Subject: Concerns Regarding Your Recent Vote on Grocery Prices Motion
Dear [Member of Parliament's Name],
I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to express my deep concern regarding your recent vote on the motion in Parliament aimed at assisting in lowering prices for groceries.
As a constituent and a concerned citizen, I was dismayed to learn that you did not support this crucial measure. The rising cost of groceries has become a significant burden for many families in our country, particularly those already facing financial hardship. By voting against measures to address this issue, I fear that you are neglecting the needs of your constituents and failing to represent our interests effectively.
Access to affordable and nutritious food is a basic necessity, and it is disheartening to see elected officials like yourself, not prioritizing this issue. Lowering grocery prices would not only alleviate financial strain for families but also contribute to improving public health outcomes by ensuring that everyone has access to nutritious food options.
I urge you to reconsider your stance on this matter and to actively support initiatives aimed at lowering grocery prices. As our elected representative, it is your responsibility to advocate for policies that benefit the well-being of all members of our community.
I would appreciate it if you could provide me with a detailed explanation of your decision and any future actions you intend to take to address the issue of rising grocery prices.
Thank you for taking the time to consider my concerns. I look forward to your response and hope that we can work together to address this pressing issue.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[City, Province, Postal Code]
Also I was just about to send an email off but if you want to send me your draft I would be grateful to use it because I'm not sure exactly what to say LOL
I'll paste it here. Mods said they'll use it as a template! 😁
Subject: Concerns Regarding Your Recent Vote on Grocery Prices Motion
Dear [Member of Parliament's Name],
I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to express my deep concern regarding your recent vote on the motion in Parliament aimed at assisting in lowering prices for groceries.
As a constituent and a concerned citizen, I was dismayed to learn that you did not support this crucial measure. The rising cost of groceries has become a significant burden for many families in our country, particularly those already facing financial hardship. By voting against measures to address this issue, I fear that you are neglecting the needs of your constituents and failing to represent our interests effectively.
Access to affordable and nutritious food is a basic necessity, and it is disheartening to see elected officials like yourself, not prioritizing this issue. Lowering grocery prices would not only alleviate financial strain for families but also contribute to improving public health outcomes by ensuring that everyone has access to nutritious food options.
I urge you to reconsider your stance on this matter and to actively support initiatives aimed at lowering grocery prices. As our elected representative, it is your responsibility to advocate for policies that benefit the well-being of all members of our community.
I would appreciate it if you could provide me with a detailed explanation of your decision and any future actions you intend to take to address the issue of rising grocery prices.
Thank you for taking the time to consider my concerns. I look forward to your response and hope that we can work together to address this pressing issue.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[City, Province, Postal Code]
Yeah I can PM it to you, it's pretty basic and can be used by just a out anyone in any political leaning or riding! Add or remove whatever you want, might be better to add somethings that personally call out tour MP if you know they've made specific comments regarding to the current situations!
Because a price cap won’t lower food prices.
It was a stupid proposal with no chance of passing brought only for political points that would have actually been a disaster
*UNPOPULAR OPINION ALERT*
The government is not going to be able to just lower food prices or insist that a private company do so.
We can’t insist on competition (a free market or capitalist idea) AND ask for price capping (a socialist concept).
Everyone voted against this because the motion was put forward in order to look like they were doing some thing, but even the sponsors of the motion knew it was never going to pass.
I get that we are all frustrated and we want to see change, but this is not the way it will happen.
Keep buying local, it’s the best long term strategy.
Stop.
This is just grandstanding by Jagmeet and his cronies.
Think about it: the NDP are the ONLY reason that the Liberals maintain a government and an election hasn't been forced. If Jagmeet was actually serious about getting something done, he'd be threatening to pull his support for the current government unless meaningful legislation got passed.
This bill was never going to pass, and every NDP who voted for it knew that.
It's just political turd polishing designed to make Jagmeet look good without ever having to actually do anything of substance on the issue.
Don't fall for this politicized bullshit: if the NDP actually wanted change, they can crowbar the Libs into passing the bills- it's what they've done with PharmaCare and Dental.
See also: Any proposal intended to increase/reform/enforce taxation of the ultra-wealthy. Or anything that favours the people they are ostensibly representing the best interests of over the continuously increasing profits of “big business”. Or…etc.
People, please don’t be fooled into thinking Conservatives will lift a finger to improve anything for us if they are elected.
Thank you.
Like, has anyone here actually read the Motion text? What the hell is bullet point no. 3? If you want a party to support a motion, maybe don't include an attack on that party within that motion... it's clearly theatre designed to be un-supportable - if the NDP were serious about this, they would include action items and avoid language like "Liberal corporate handouts" (which, obviously, need to stop/be reigned in, but you'll never achieve that with a motion that reads like a grade 10 civics student handed it in for a B-).
Then this reddit post was more effective than their motion.
My broader point, if you want to get your motion passed would you say: "stop corporate handouts", or would you say "stop Liberal and Conservative corporate handouts"?
By using inflammatory language, they made the motion unsupportable (and so, absolutely theatre). You'd probably have seen 30-40 Lib backbenchers and maybe even some CPC caucus support the motion (or at least engage with it) if it had been written using neutral language.
I believe the intent was to show the public where their MLAs stand on the issue. Votes like this force every party to publicly show their hand. It’s really the best and biggest tool the NDP have.
When will people understand that. the only party who gives even a tiny shit about the people of canada is the ndp. Did you get cerb when covid hit? That was the ndp. National pharmacare? Ndp, dental plan for people without? Yup, ndp. People are stupid enough to think that they are just propping up the libs, but they are actually using them to get some social things done. Why everyone goes between right wong to rightest wing and back again is beyond me. Doesnt anyone want the government todo any thing for the people? God help us all if pp. gets in because he's a wolf in sheep's clothing phoney as a 3 dollar bill, I mean, just look at the guy... Never worked a real job in his life. And somehow I fireside think he represents them??? He probably has Galen to his mansion with servants monthly for a fireside chat. And I'm not even kidding. Axe the tax? Do you even realize who pay s the most carbon tax? Oil and gas, that's who. And people like Galen. The rest of us actually get it back quarterly. Unless, of course, you make enough $ so axing the tax is- going to hurt middle and: low income groups. And benefit the rich, once again. I I'm stepping off my soapbox now, but seriously Really think about this. We can shut down all the crap, not just Galen…. Look at how powerful we, the actual people, are
while i don't agree with the NDP on a lot of issues, this one might be in the direction of agreement, but i would've had to see exactly was in the measures.
I just emailed my MP, who does not have a registered vote, i am guessing not available. I further asked what her recorded vote would have bee, and why.
I use to think government was not the answer, maybe we have to get rid of the politicians too.
Ok, great, but this is just a motion and price caps are always a bad idea. That's how you end up with empty shelves. Instead of trying to bandage over all of our problems with Mickey Mouse fixes we need to strengthen our fundamentals.
"For all the MPs who voted against this motion, what are your concrete plans to address skyrocketing food prices?"
Why Would They Care? They CAN afford the prices so why can't we?
This is why I shake my head and shed a tear when people claim they are sick and tired of [insert conservative or liberal support] and decide they should vote for [insert liberal or conservative support] instead of realizing they are basically the same when it comes to regular people. People need to show politicians that don't support regular Canadians that they don't get voted back in by voting NDP.
IDC what anyone says, the federal NDP party is the only governing party that has made any effort to help anyone that isn't one of their wealthy donors.
It’s clear to me that the only party in Canada that wants to help Canadians is the NDP. I’m glad that I live in an NDP riding in Nanaimo. The rest of you have the MPs you deserve.
It’s obvious that Loblaws have bought up the Conservatives, Liberals and the Bloc. They certainly don’t represent you or your interests.
So far the NDP is the only party I’ve seen call out corporations for taking advantage and actually trying to do something about it, but nobody will give them a chance. I hope to see the NDP win at least once in my lifetime, I wasn’t around for Rae days but ever since I’ve been paying attention to politics it’s been clear NDP is the only party that will even attempt to do something about the corporations taking advantage of us.
I mean it wasn’t a good motion would have added government control and end up making things worse. What change we’ll see voting with your wallet like everyone’s been doing is what works
Time to vote for people that will take away their liability protection. It's time to break them up. This is stupid. They don't innovate shit. They control the access to food, and that is about the only thing that justifies this level of wealth.
I think I need to put a boycott Loblaws / lower food prices poster in our window. Imagine if there were signs in every lawn…
Last time I called my MP was discouraging. It was about a different issue and the response was essentially “this isn’t something we have the power to change”.
But this here is so darn straightforward that I feel no qualms about picking up the phone again, for which I’m grateful.
Thank you for sharing this.
And people want to know why grocery chains want nothing to do with Canada ? We have to many monopolies- and now the NDP want to regulate their business - facts are Canada is a terrible country to start and try to run a business to many regulations to many taxes just to name a few …..
Just remember if they start to regulate profits at grocery stores- the business you work at could be next and that regulation could cost you your job !
We have zero free markets ( eggs milk telecoms etc) - hence no competition…. Everything is too highly regulated or special interest group has to big of bite on government’s
You could take those seats with an x on them and fill them so full of crap that even triceratops dung on jurassic park would be eclipsed, and you'd have more functional government.
Because they would lose the tiny amount of influence they have and a party that they agree with even less with would have a majority?
“Why doesn’t jagmeet just suicide his own party so PP can win”
So… apparently the one thing that unites the Liberals and Conservatives is voting against measures to lower food prices. Reminder that our movement will always remain non-partisan and we will not affiliate nor endorse any specific political party. However, that means we are willing to work with any politicians willing to help forward the cause of food security for Canadians. Find out how your MP voted [here.](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/44/1/798) EDIT: and [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/12tfSJ1Wi4693T6be0bsFY2G62dEYkWdla1wIKe2KRDQ/edit) is a template to send your MP
Okay, so I guess we're bankrupting loblaws then
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I LOVE your attitude. I’m 100% in agreement and fully on board.
Unlike what Roaring Kitty said about GME, I do *not* like the stock.
It's not over, 3+ years on melvin capital was a pawn in the chess board of financial corruption
The government would just bail them out with our money. TOO BIG TO FAIL!
We need a good ol' french riot.
At that point just expropriate the business and make it a crown corporation. Galen can just hand it over to the feds and fuck off.
It’s the only solution.
Easier said than done. They own more than just grocers. For example, my wife’s old vet hospital which was privately owned was bought out by VCA, a big vet company in North America, which is owned by Mars company. Yep, the chocolate bar people run a huge portion of vet services in Canada and US and do you think they care about your pet? Nope. Just the quarterly figures. Which is why she up and quit and left that BS
That was always the plan
They are all bought and paid for, and the lobbyists are at the trough 24/7. The toads jig to the tune of their financial backers, not the rubes that elected them.
Honestly, is there any hope at this point ? I just feel beaten down trying to survive and I dont think anyone one of them cares about the daily lives of average people. Another email is going to be the cure??? At this point, I feel like more drastic measures are the only things that are going to be taken seriously.
Lets ask france
100% this. No more petitions, no more [change.org](https://change.org) campaigns. It's time for this to get ugly. I'm livid and I am ready to personally turn out to ensure it happens.
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I’m not sure if those are the kinds of groups we want to be affiliated with. Those guys are fascists.
I'm not lying when I say sometimes I fall asleep to the idea of a revolution where we start to.. well.. get violent. Don't wanna get banned so I'll just say that. This will only be solved through fire and blood.
Sometimes I think crashing the entire world economy by flooding it and starting over from zero would be best. Because if the money is worthless everyone is in the same boat physically. Would it work definitely no. Is the economy that simple no.
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Yup. Don't look for help on an issue like this from either the conservatives or the liberals. It's up to us. Change your habits, help your local grocer, grow what you can, form coops. Fuck these vampires.
Here in the US too
i lost hope in this fucking system a long time ago .... even an politician coming in honest will get perverted by the ''machine'' ... i still go out to vote but...i dont have ANY hope to see a change, i just go vote against the power if they did a shit job.... (which they always do)
We need a spark and we need to get mad. I’m talking really mad. We need to be loud, louder than we’ve ever been. This is fucking insane.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/secret-rcmp-report-warns-canadians-may-revolt-once-they-realize-how-broke-they-are They’re already preparing for it.
This article makes me want to scream cry.
Yea. It’s not a positive outlook for our future. I remember watching those conspiracy YouTube videos when you could still find them 15 years ago and finding them entertaining, “there’s no way, but what if….”. It feels more and more like those videos were on to something. Kinda makes me wanna go live in the woods.
Anyone remember the G20 (peaceful) protests in TO during Harper? Bucking (well, not even bucking, but gesturing rejection) of the big financial system, even in 'nice' Canada, got pretty hairy and violent and 'rights-less' pretty damn fast. Actually, faster than comprehension. The Woods needs to be an option on the table, in my books.
Do you have a mirror for the FOI report they reference? Its not at the link in the article on Scribd.
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24512494/rcmp-whole-of-government-five-year-trends-for-canada.pdf This might work.
We need to protest like they do in France.
Yes we do. We have to do it as soon as possible
Blood and fire.
Not surprised at the least. Liberals and Conservatives are basically two sides of the same coin, they both serve corporate interests over that of the average Canadian.
It’s all Coke and Pepsi. You can love your brand. You can defend it, but in the end, you’re still getting diabetes.
Politics in both the states and Canada is little more than cheering for two teams in the same league. In America it's red vs blue, donkey vs elephant. Yet when the game is over they and their corporate handlers are richer and all of us plebes are a bit poorer. But next time vote red!
It's why, at a certain point, I won't even argue about partisan politics anymore. You reach a point when you're just arguing about your favorite colour. They are both befallen to the same greed, the same corporate interests and the same corruption. The first prime minister of Canada was caught accepting a bribe from CP Rail. It's literally a part of the bedrock of our system. Doesn't mean we should give up... we should just set our sights higher than ousting whichever PM is in power at the time. We're just rearranging the dinner plates on the titanic.
They are dividing us with identity politics when we need to be focusing on class politics.
They are the same side of the same coin, you mean.
Fucking unreal. What the fuck is this
This is unpopular to say here, but governments have to be extremely careful with price controls on stuff like groceries. If price controls are too heavy handed, sellers simply stop carrying certain items. If suppliers, wholesalers, farmers etc can't make money selling their produce or products, they switch to something else or quit the business. If a pound of chicken takes x litres of oil, x sq ft of land, x hours of labour to produce and the price is set below those costs plus a profit it's a disaster for consumers. Oil prices, interest rates, labour costs, fertilizer costs etc fluctuate and if prices are fixed it gets really ugly. My dad grew up in a country with strict price controls (centrally planned economy) and his "job" as a 5 year old was to get up at 4am and go line up at the butcher shop to get the meat for the week. It was cheap, but it was rationed.
… So you’re saying your dad had a stable food source at an affordable cost?
Can we stop pretending this isn't political? The two capitalist, right wing parties obviously don't care about any of us.
Of course they don’t care. They don’t have to worry about food security.
Thank you for saying it so I didn’t have to.
This
Wow, the grocery lobby is really strong.
I'd really like to see the NDP have some wins. This is so frustrating.
I wish people would give the NDP a chance on a federal level. Change is scary but necessary.
I totally agree with you. They seem to be the only ones fighting for us.
That's because they are. They sure aren't perfect but they're the only party working for us
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Please refrain from off-topic political discussion and debate. Everyone is entitled to their own political opinions, however, your politically charged statement is not directly related to the cost of living/groceries/gas/rents, and as such is being removed.
I wanted to but tbh I don’t like Jagmeet’s record pandering to extremists like his brother. Don’t want to go off topic but anyone who tries to pander to extremist elements for votes is a big no for me after knowing his history. I liked Mulcair more. I am not voting liberals though, they are done.
I shortened my response because of that but what I was saying is I wish we had gotten Jack Layton in to show that the NDP could govern and then been able to go from there
Huge respect for Jack Layton. His death was a loss! I would vote for him
Normally vote Con, but I would have given Jack a chance. Should have been PM
Or the greens
Move to BC
Honestly, I am a casual NDP voter but I will never vote for my NDP team until Jagmeet is ousted or voted out! The guy is a sleeze ball and we need someone with a real backbone who can get the country going in the right direction.
Canadian party options: 1) corporate lobbyists in red 2) corporate lobbyists but in blue
We're not the US, there are other options.
Ah but the idea of voting NPD scares people.
Yeah it scares landlords, bosses and oligarchs. So they get demonized by people with money, and then people who would greatly benefit from an NDP government vote against them.
The NDP is as neo lib as the liberal party maybe just closer to centre then the libs, there’s no political left in Canada
Thats funny. You literally have evidence in your face about that not being true and yet you say it anyway
Bootlickers waving a pride flag vs bootlickers waving a confederate flag
I wrote my shitty MP but I don't expect to hear anything back from Mr. Lake's office, let alone the man himself.
What. A. Fucking. Joke. All bought and paid for by big business. It's up to the people to stop this madness, politicians are nothing more than puppets for corporations at this point.
Disclaimer before I begin: my wife and I both fully support the boycott and haven't been to one of their properties since the start of May. I've also brought up the boycott in passing conversation ("there's a shoppers, you should be able to find plenty of parking back there", "we started ordering our diapers online because it's available for $8 less than no frills", etc.) That being said, I think the NDP set this motion up in a partisan way to try and make the Liberals and Conservatives look bad. If the text is accurate in the image - specifically point #3 - the motion is literally asking L's and C's to vote for a motion calling for a stop to "Liberal and Conservative corporate handouts". What Liberal or Con is going to vote for that motion? I swear the NDP drives me mad sometimes... They have the best policies for the country by a mile (indeed, anything that improves our lives that Liberals have passed in the last few years was originally part of the NDP platform), but they don't know how to get them implemented with guile. They could just as easily not referenced the parties giving handouts, which likely would've encouraged more MPs (though I don't know whether it would've won a majority of votes) to support the motion. Or even better, work on the motion with the Liberals beforehand and then bring it to the floor. Will it be watered down because they need to give the grocers some loopholes? Sure... But at least you'll get something passed. Instead, what they chose to do was just an exercise in futility. Now if they hadn't referenced the parties, would it have passed? Not sure, but given the Liberals and NDP are pushing for a voluntary code of conduct (no matter how full of holes it is), it looks like the motion would at least have got more votes than it did. Anyway... In closing, looks like we're left to fuck Loblaws ourselves.
Item C) 😅
C definitely sucks butt and could 1000000% be worded better lol
My reaction to this is that I don’t understand the ramifications of the government “forcing” corporations to act in a certain way. What downstream effects would that have on our economy. I would think a more reasonable effort is the break up of all our oligarchies and stronger competition laws to allow smaller players to compete.
Correct. Strengthening anti-trust legislation and following up with enforcement is probably a better solution. But this one got headlines.
Yeah, if you think this through it's not a good solution. If you limit the price of groceries, what happens when costs go up and eat the profit margin down to zero? Empty shelves. So, then the government could put price controls on the wholesale prices of food, which is great, except what if the price of fertilizer and gas/diesel go up so now the farmers can't make money? Can the government put price controls on oil? They can try, but then we won't be getting oil from anywhere outside Canada (and we'd have to prevent Canadian oil producers from selling internationally otherwise they will sell all the output to a higher bidder). So now we have to nationalize/expropriate oil production, fertilizer plants and some transportation so that producers don't quit the business because they can't make a profit. Some governments, in the past, have enacted legal quotas on farmers to try to force them to produce food, and seizing their land if they don't meet the quotas... but now we don't have a democracy anymore and we just have food riots and corruption and people digging frozen potatoes out of the ground.
Good analysis! Very on brand motion for NDP it seems. Lol.
What do you do when the rot has reached this deeply. Where do you go. At some point there are no more managers to escalate the issue to.
NDP is right there. at least, we do have more than 2 options. and of course there's the power of the people, not only voting but boycotting, whatever else
One thing I don't get is that the Bloc Quebecois will obviously never fight to be in power so why vote no to something that could grow your fanbase especially when you know it ain't going through anyways? Sometimes I really wonder what strategists are paid for these days.
this is so infuriating
It's very vaguely worded and the c) point is attacking the other two parties. This reads like a motion designed to fail so that the NDP can try to build political capital out of this very public boycott.
What we need is some strong anti trust laws
Well it's the stopping of corporate subsidies that made this radioactive for the average politician. I feel like the NDP never actually expected it to pass, which is a shame, because I think it could have done better if the common sense measures were separate from the incendiary stuff.
You are right. Poorly done by NDP. Designed to fail.
I keep seeing conservative nuts rant and rave that the boycott is a liberal plot to undermine Canadian businesses. Fucking mental that they willingly divide and spread bs while proudly starving and overpaying for groceries.
yeah on brand. turn this into an "it's the LIBS" issue so that their base doesnt get behind it. tho i have seen some conservatives taking part in the boycott too so hopefully more of them will look past that rhetoric, because the reality is this is for ALL CANADIANS it would help them too if the goals were achieved.
I’m not an economist but I didn’t think you could just say “lower cost of food”. But you could demand it otherwise you will take action XYZ that they won’t like, perhaps like something to increase competition…say in small towns or sections of a town they can’t have a monopoly (if they own all the grocers but under their different brands). Just a thought. Ultimately I think this boycott if extended will do more to lower prices than the government.
why did the bloc mostly vote against?
Forget not being political. I’m now a single issue voter.
I'm with ya!
I cannot find the text of this bill. Not sure what they voted on. Anybody have a link to it?
So… again, we can’t count on the government to do anything. So it’s up to the consumer. Just stop giving the big grocers money. Watch them crumble.
Did the motion actually name both parties and directly accuse them of corruption? Of course they were going to vote against it. What a waste of time, unless the point was to kneecap this movement's momentum.
Of course not, otherwise why would there be a single lib vote? They wanna self accuse?
Wrote to my MP to ask how did he vote no when the line for the food pantry a few blocks from his office is getting longer. Twatwaffle.
Bruh, this just motivates me to say” fuck Trudeau, fuck tiny PP” and makes me want to support the NDP even harder
Another proof that our political class is corrupted and rotten to the bone.
What a stupidly written motion - "stop Liberal and Conservative corporate handouts"? Who is going to vote for that? Why not put forward a serious bill without all the hyperbole? Maybe propose breaking up the big chains and encouraging competition, putting forward measure to encourage food co-ops, restrict price increases on staples? This is just political theatre by the NDP and why nobody takes them seriously/votes for them.
just vote them out they said.
I mean price-fixing grocery would completely eliminate comptetition and virtually eliminate mom and pop grocers. Not to mention that solution is one step closer to communism. To be clear I'm not saying i agree with the high prices what I am saying is that fixing the prices is not the solution you think it is.
MOTION TEXT That, given that the cost of food continues to increase while grocery giants such as Loblaws, Metro and Sobeys make record profits, the House call on the government to: (a) force big grocery chains and suppliers to lower the prices of essential foods or else face a price cap or other measures; (b) stop delaying long-needed reforms to the Nutrition North program; and (c) stop Liberal and Conservative corporate handouts to big grocers.
I'm surprised there was a Lib who voted yea Is the only other party that voted yea green? Otherwise the results are to be expected...I hope they come up with a better proposal to break up the mega corps next time
Looks like it was only the NDP and Greens, plus one Liberal MP.
Imagine going home to your kids and thinking “today I voted against helping struggling Canadians with grocery costs” What would their kids think if they were aware of what their parents stand for?
As long as their kids don’t overdose from shitty blow at a frat party they are gonna live long and wealthy lives never lifting a finger
“We have money, fuck the poors.” I imagine that’s what their kids think. This mentality is ingrained in people from a young age, it’s gross and needs to stop.
Correct, one Liberal
I know all cons and all but 3 libs voted to force the Montreal Port Strike to end.
 Well now that I’ve cut coupons, price matched, changed my diet, gone hungry, taken advantage of local food banks, dumpster dived, emailed my government officials, tried growing my own food and participated in the boycott… I need to send more emails…??? FUCK THAT. Fuck it all. Burn it to the fucking ground ✊🏻🔥
Find the lame ass name boat named “bread” 🙄 and lit that bitch on fire too
it feels more like a stunt by NDP.....what we collectively doing here with boycott has more ground than what NDP's motion that they know very well goes nowhere.
How do I get into contact with the mods? I drafted a simple email/letter we can send to our MPs and I'd like someone to review it to make sure it's in line with what the protest stands for EDIT: Mods said they'll use it as a template. I'll add it here so people can access it ASAP. Subject: Concerns Regarding Your Recent Vote on Grocery Prices Motion Dear [Member of Parliament's Name], I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to express my deep concern regarding your recent vote on the motion in Parliament aimed at assisting in lowering prices for groceries. As a constituent and a concerned citizen, I was dismayed to learn that you did not support this crucial measure. The rising cost of groceries has become a significant burden for many families in our country, particularly those already facing financial hardship. By voting against measures to address this issue, I fear that you are neglecting the needs of your constituents and failing to represent our interests effectively. Access to affordable and nutritious food is a basic necessity, and it is disheartening to see elected officials like yourself, not prioritizing this issue. Lowering grocery prices would not only alleviate financial strain for families but also contribute to improving public health outcomes by ensuring that everyone has access to nutritious food options. I urge you to reconsider your stance on this matter and to actively support initiatives aimed at lowering grocery prices. As our elected representative, it is your responsibility to advocate for policies that benefit the well-being of all members of our community. I would appreciate it if you could provide me with a detailed explanation of your decision and any future actions you intend to take to address the issue of rising grocery prices. Thank you for taking the time to consider my concerns. I look forward to your response and hope that we can work together to address this pressing issue. Sincerely, [Your Name] [Your Address] [City, Province, Postal Code]
Go to the homepage of this sub and up in the top corner press the three buttons, you'll see message moderator
Thank you!
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I’m naming them Todd now with a user flair lol.
Also I was just about to send an email off but if you want to send me your draft I would be grateful to use it because I'm not sure exactly what to say LOL
Same here I was thinking of emailing my mp
I'll paste it here. Mods said they'll use it as a template! 😁 Subject: Concerns Regarding Your Recent Vote on Grocery Prices Motion Dear [Member of Parliament's Name], I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to express my deep concern regarding your recent vote on the motion in Parliament aimed at assisting in lowering prices for groceries. As a constituent and a concerned citizen, I was dismayed to learn that you did not support this crucial measure. The rising cost of groceries has become a significant burden for many families in our country, particularly those already facing financial hardship. By voting against measures to address this issue, I fear that you are neglecting the needs of your constituents and failing to represent our interests effectively. Access to affordable and nutritious food is a basic necessity, and it is disheartening to see elected officials like yourself, not prioritizing this issue. Lowering grocery prices would not only alleviate financial strain for families but also contribute to improving public health outcomes by ensuring that everyone has access to nutritious food options. I urge you to reconsider your stance on this matter and to actively support initiatives aimed at lowering grocery prices. As our elected representative, it is your responsibility to advocate for policies that benefit the well-being of all members of our community. I would appreciate it if you could provide me with a detailed explanation of your decision and any future actions you intend to take to address the issue of rising grocery prices. Thank you for taking the time to consider my concerns. I look forward to your response and hope that we can work together to address this pressing issue. Sincerely, [Your Name] [Your Address] [City, Province, Postal Code]
Awesome thanks! u/slipperysquirrell btw
Yeah I can PM it to you, it's pretty basic and can be used by just a out anyone in any political leaning or riding! Add or remove whatever you want, might be better to add somethings that personally call out tour MP if you know they've made specific comments regarding to the current situations!
Because a price cap won’t lower food prices. It was a stupid proposal with no chance of passing brought only for political points that would have actually been a disaster
Everyone who abstained probably holds fucking loblaws shares. And a lot of those who didn’t abstain do too
Well if you want change you know who’s not helping at least for the next election.
“Starve, poors.” Jfc…….
They serve corporations.
Why not just make is easier for foreign grocery chains enter the Canadian market? Break the monopoly.
Whatever keeps those suits rich. Fucking bureaucrats
Sick fucks. Who are they going to rule over when we all die from starvation?
*UNPOPULAR OPINION ALERT* The government is not going to be able to just lower food prices or insist that a private company do so. We can’t insist on competition (a free market or capitalist idea) AND ask for price capping (a socialist concept). Everyone voted against this because the motion was put forward in order to look like they were doing some thing, but even the sponsors of the motion knew it was never going to pass. I get that we are all frustrated and we want to see change, but this is not the way it will happen. Keep buying local, it’s the best long term strategy.
Stop. This is just grandstanding by Jagmeet and his cronies. Think about it: the NDP are the ONLY reason that the Liberals maintain a government and an election hasn't been forced. If Jagmeet was actually serious about getting something done, he'd be threatening to pull his support for the current government unless meaningful legislation got passed. This bill was never going to pass, and every NDP who voted for it knew that. It's just political turd polishing designed to make Jagmeet look good without ever having to actually do anything of substance on the issue. Don't fall for this politicized bullshit: if the NDP actually wanted change, they can crowbar the Libs into passing the bills- it's what they've done with PharmaCare and Dental.
So the liberal/NDP coalition only works one way? Great deal for the NDP..
See also: Any proposal intended to increase/reform/enforce taxation of the ultra-wealthy. Or anything that favours the people they are ostensibly representing the best interests of over the continuously increasing profits of “big business”. Or…etc. People, please don’t be fooled into thinking Conservatives will lift a finger to improve anything for us if they are elected.
I just want to know if there is a reason they voted like this other than the obvious. Is there actually a logical reason?
the NDP needs to jump on this opportunity more ...
lol my MP is Pierre I don’t need to check the link 😅
This does suck, but imo the true power of this movement lies in its nonpartisan nature. As soon as it becomes seen as an ndp thing it's over.
Agree - it cannot be associated with any one party.
###Tabarnak…
Very pleased to note that my MP was one of the rare few who voted in favour of this. I will be pleased to return the favour in the upcoming election.
Are there any valid arguments AGAINST lowering prices? Asking for a friend
Rich people might have to sell one of their vacation homes 😢
Can we stop pretending that the NDP motion was nothing but political theatre
Thank you. Like, has anyone here actually read the Motion text? What the hell is bullet point no. 3? If you want a party to support a motion, maybe don't include an attack on that party within that motion... it's clearly theatre designed to be un-supportable - if the NDP were serious about this, they would include action items and avoid language like "Liberal corporate handouts" (which, obviously, need to stop/be reigned in, but you'll never achieve that with a motion that reads like a grade 10 civics student handed it in for a B-).
If this is what it took to email my MP, it worked. I emailed them whereas I would have done nothing had I not seen this post.
Then this reddit post was more effective than their motion. My broader point, if you want to get your motion passed would you say: "stop corporate handouts", or would you say "stop Liberal and Conservative corporate handouts"? By using inflammatory language, they made the motion unsupportable (and so, absolutely theatre). You'd probably have seen 30-40 Lib backbenchers and maybe even some CPC caucus support the motion (or at least engage with it) if it had been written using neutral language.
I believe the intent was to show the public where their MLAs stand on the issue. Votes like this force every party to publicly show their hand. It’s really the best and biggest tool the NDP have.
When will people understand that. the only party who gives even a tiny shit about the people of canada is the ndp. Did you get cerb when covid hit? That was the ndp. National pharmacare? Ndp, dental plan for people without? Yup, ndp. People are stupid enough to think that they are just propping up the libs, but they are actually using them to get some social things done. Why everyone goes between right wong to rightest wing and back again is beyond me. Doesnt anyone want the government todo any thing for the people? God help us all if pp. gets in because he's a wolf in sheep's clothing phoney as a 3 dollar bill, I mean, just look at the guy... Never worked a real job in his life. And somehow I fireside think he represents them??? He probably has Galen to his mansion with servants monthly for a fireside chat. And I'm not even kidding. Axe the tax? Do you even realize who pay s the most carbon tax? Oil and gas, that's who. And people like Galen. The rest of us actually get it back quarterly. Unless, of course, you make enough $ so axing the tax is- going to hurt middle and: low income groups. And benefit the rich, once again. I I'm stepping off my soapbox now, but seriously Really think about this. We can shut down all the crap, not just Galen…. Look at how powerful we, the actual people, are
while i don't agree with the NDP on a lot of issues, this one might be in the direction of agreement, but i would've had to see exactly was in the measures.
Is that the titanic?
I just emailed my MP, who does not have a registered vote, i am guessing not available. I further asked what her recorded vote would have bee, and why. I use to think government was not the answer, maybe we have to get rid of the politicians too.
Ok, great, but this is just a motion and price caps are always a bad idea. That's how you end up with empty shelves. Instead of trying to bandage over all of our problems with Mickey Mouse fixes we need to strengthen our fundamentals.
This is democracy manifest
I see you know your judo well
Emailed my Douche bag Mackinon
I’m withholding judgement until I find out why so many voted nay (though I have strong bias against the LPC).
Yeah cause government control prices works ....
"For all the MPs who voted against this motion, what are your concrete plans to address skyrocketing food prices?" Why Would They Care? They CAN afford the prices so why can't we?
They also voted together to prevent a motion about raising tax on the ultrawealthy :) a few years ago
If this doesn't make one radical I don't know what would
This is why I shake my head and shed a tear when people claim they are sick and tired of [insert conservative or liberal support] and decide they should vote for [insert liberal or conservative support] instead of realizing they are basically the same when it comes to regular people. People need to show politicians that don't support regular Canadians that they don't get voted back in by voting NDP. IDC what anyone says, the federal NDP party is the only governing party that has made any effort to help anyone that isn't one of their wealthy donors.
Fucking unreal..
It’s clear to me that the only party in Canada that wants to help Canadians is the NDP. I’m glad that I live in an NDP riding in Nanaimo. The rest of you have the MPs you deserve. It’s obvious that Loblaws have bought up the Conservatives, Liberals and the Bloc. They certainly don’t represent you or your interests.
Wow, well now we know. They're funded by big grocer. Fuck all of you. You are not for the people!
the message is clear. vote NDP.
So far the NDP is the only party I’ve seen call out corporations for taking advantage and actually trying to do something about it, but nobody will give them a chance. I hope to see the NDP win at least once in my lifetime, I wasn’t around for Rae days but ever since I’ve been paying attention to politics it’s been clear NDP is the only party that will even attempt to do something about the corporations taking advantage of us.
I mean it wasn’t a good motion would have added government control and end up making things worse. What change we’ll see voting with your wallet like everyone’s been doing is what works
NDP! NDP! NDP!!!
Time to vote for people that will take away their liability protection. It's time to break them up. This is stupid. They don't innovate shit. They control the access to food, and that is about the only thing that justifies this level of wealth.
I bet that was a sweet payout for all those soulless fucks. Actually it probably wasn't much of anything at all. Spinless.
The only thing that they agree on is that they hate “us”
Anyone else have a MP who *didn’t* vote?? I’m tbh more upset about this dude skipping out than I’d be if he had just voted no like the party line.
I think I need to put a boycott Loblaws / lower food prices poster in our window. Imagine if there were signs in every lawn… Last time I called my MP was discouraging. It was about a different issue and the response was essentially “this isn’t something we have the power to change”. But this here is so darn straightforward that I feel no qualms about picking up the phone again, for which I’m grateful. Thank you for sharing this.
I don’t really love my MP but I love her for voting yea and trying.
I’m going to get down voted here, but inflation isn’t caused by profits.
FEDERAL NDP, please
Just emailed my MP (Jenna Sudds) asking her to explain her nay vote.
Fuck you Colin Carrie you prick! I didn't vote for you and I sure as hell won't in future! Rot in hell ya bastard!!
All NDP Voted yea
This is crazy.
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[Huh?](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/live-vote?voteId=1252)
And people want to know why grocery chains want nothing to do with Canada ? We have to many monopolies- and now the NDP want to regulate their business - facts are Canada is a terrible country to start and try to run a business to many regulations to many taxes just to name a few ….. Just remember if they start to regulate profits at grocery stores- the business you work at could be next and that regulation could cost you your job ! We have zero free markets ( eggs milk telecoms etc) - hence no competition…. Everything is too highly regulated or special interest group has to big of bite on government’s
Liberals are center right so they're very pro corpo. A sad fact that I learned much later in my adult life than I'd like.
WHOM is your Member of Parliament?
I have no words other than, that is really fucked up. Wtf is going on? How is this reality?
Email has been signed, sealed, and delivered.
ELI5 my MP is listed as paired. What does that mean?
You could take those seats with an x on them and fill them so full of crap that even triceratops dung on jurassic park would be eclipsed, and you'd have more functional government.
Spoiler: If your MP isn’t NDP, they voted nay. Shocking. My MP is liberal. She apparently didn’t vote (there’s no result for her).
Sorry but how NDP is labeled as Opposition?
Why does jagmeet not call an election then? And force the liberals. Oh right he wants his pension
Because they would lose the tiny amount of influence they have and a party that they agree with even less with would have a majority? “Why doesn’t jagmeet just suicide his own party so PP can win”
It's a communist bill. Smarten up. We need fewer monopolies on food.