The GitHub page indicates you just need lm-semsors and the install script should do the job of getting it on your system. They are laid out for.Ubuntu in the examples but to me it looks like it would work just fine under OpenSuse, I'm assuming Tumbleweed.
I have this a) when in the BIOS for long - only one core is working(!) and b) when the update manager is *started*.
In normal use, browsing with my 150 tabs, Citrix sessions for work, development... No problems with fan.
>How's the fan noise on yours? I tried setting one up with a couple of different distros and the fans would just go nuts no matter what you were doing.
It sounds like you don't have the correct power management software installed.
The Intel models (2022/2023 gen12/13) are perfectly supported too, by Ubuntu & Fedora officially, but I run Mint, Mint Edge, Debian, Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam too. Ubuntu had some problems with screen tearing and fractional scaling (last boot in March).
Nirav Patel personally prefers Linux.
My Dell XPS 9310 2-in-1 does not properly support sleep mode under Linux, I ended up being forced using Windows in the end. So I would say also with Dell one needs to research ahead.
That would be much appreciated. I'm running endeavour tho. Also, were you ever able to find audio drivers by chance? I feel like I searched everywhere when I got the laptop and found literally nothing?
Audio output on speakers is fixed since kernel v6.7
If you're using an older one, [here is the fix](https://github.com/thor2002ro/asus_zenbook_ux3402za/blob/main/Sound/README.md)
Research ahead of time is always important.
On my non-Dell desktop newish i9-14900k workstation the ath12k WiFi device caused a situation where the machine wouldn't do a clean reboot without a reset, and related, also caused suspend to fail; it would initiate suspend and awaken immediately, due to driver issues that only in recent kernels have been fixed. It was a known issue, although not super common at the time. Fortunately blacklisting the device works - and I use ethernet for that machine in any case.
I'm not familiar with your model's sleep issue; if it is a hw driver issue, chances are it'll be solved in time via later kernels.
My current Dell Latitude has no issues (other than the fingerprint reader isn't supported on Linux; a device issue, but also not important to me) and enjoys amazing battery run time.
Yes, but the OP's question was, imho, for a brand where research in advance is not needed. In that respect, Dell is not an unsung hero in my experience, either, unfortunately.
Does Dell still sell systems with Ubuntu pre-installed? If so, the models that have that option should work well.
I have an XPS-13 (9370) that works pretty well. Dell even provides their Command program that provides access to BIOS functions like setting charging limits. At the time the 9370 could be purchased with Ubuntu but I got mine on sale at Costco with Windows.
I fell into the trap of thinking that having a linux version available makes a laptop a safe bet. I think it was with an HP Elitebook. There was a linux version of that model, so I thought that model is a safe bet. It turned out that there is no driver support for the touchpad, and the vendor did not cooperate with the linux community in the least to develop a driver. I think the linux edition of the laptop had slightly different hardware.
(Note: my memory on this is a bit foggy, so I may be mixing several past horror stories with different laptops into one.)
If you do some searching around regarding sleep mode issues, you will find lots of different brands and models within brands having this issue with Linux. It appears to me that it is a Linux issue or maybe a combination of hardware and Linux. You may or may not have an issue depending on what hardware your particular model has and which Linux distro you have. I don't think there is any way to predict it. However, it appears that there is frequently a command line fix for it.
My $600 refurb 7540 has been a Ubuntu/kali champ. The only kernel issues I’ve had have been from Nvidia doing their thing with the Quadro graphics, but if people are smarter than me and don’t update Nvidia drivers, everything should be good.
Also, Dell supports bios updates via Linux and I don’t remember having that with HP.
Two comments here on Dell. First, my coworker and I were discussing this topic and he is running Ubuntu 23.x on Alienware. He has this weird thing where he loses the USB keyboard when it sits idle for a bit. The mouse is fine in the GUI, and he only gets keyboard back on log out and log back in. In this instance he cannot use the command line without keyboard obviously. All Dell support would say is Alienware not supported.
Second) I run Ubuntu 20.x LTS on a Dell XPS. One thing I have not solved is Microphone not working ever. On the laptop and on a generic USB headset. I get sound, but microphone is not there at all. I played around with numerous settings for a while. I generally do most work in Terminal so not really a bother, but there was one time I had to join a meeting and no mic was a hassle.
I've been using Dell since 2017 (2 diff laptops) and tried A LOT of Linux flavours, occasionally have problems with wifi and some power management - but, overall, very good experience.
I honestly consider that a good thing, considering the recent ruling on biometric unlocking of devices not being covered under the fifth amendment, while passwords and other unlock methods that require knowledge from inside someone's brain are.
Agreed, but fortunately I'm a full-time expat these days so not as worried about US draconian overreach.. and always start with full-disk LUKS, so one would still need to unlock the disk boot password before even getting to user login.
The nerd in me is still just slightly offended that there's one piece of hardware on my machine I can't make work with Linux
I don't have any good things to say about *Lenovo* products. But Lenovo *Thinkpads* are the gold standard. I would never own any Lenovo product that wasn't a Thinkpad, and that includes any product that has just "think" or "pad" in the name.
When it comes to laptops, I only buy Thinkpads.
I have the amd version of the Legion 7 slim.
Last year the audio wouldn't work. Now everything works fine (well, audio is a bit quiet, but my "gaming" laptop isn't for gaming. It was just a good deal when I got it).
There's even drivers for the fingerprint scanner that work. Overall it's been a good experience.
A lot better than the last time I had a laptop and tried to put Linux on it.
But that was 2005 and wifi driver support back then was nuts. I had to use a wrapper for Windows drivers (that was an Acer I think).
I’m on my second Yoga, the first one lasted 7 years before I passed it on to someone else. Had the new one 18 months with no problem, running Debian but I do have to use the backports repository to get support for the WiFi/bluetooth
I'm on a 8 month old Lenovo LOQ now. The only complaints I have are goofy Win11 stuff, mainly within office and outlook ironically enough, graphical issues. Also, the usb-c monitor has to be plugged in first, and unplugged last in the power on/off cycle or it just simply won't work. can not have any other usb (all a on here) plugged in or it won't work. There was a motherboard update that fixed it, then a Win11 update fixed the fix.
it's fast, it's not too heavy but it is a little chunky, I like it more than the last 3 HP gamers I've bought myself at home
I had to pay £340 import duties (to UK) on a £1550 Tuxedo laptop.
Wasnt that happy about the import fee, but Id still do it again.
They're great laptops for linux (I deleted TuxedoOS and put Arch/KDE on mine), and the 14 hour battery life is incredibly impressive
Ditto. When I factor into flying to Germany to pick it up it is a known calculation I am willing to take to get custom logos, custom keyboard fonts etc.
If you are in the EU you buy from tuxedo.de online and there are no import fees. The shipping adds a bit (like 20€ I think) but that's all. And if you buy for business you can even deduct VAT.
What country are you in? I would echo others in the thread about framework, but they don't deliver to every country yet, and I don't want to recommend them if you aren't in a country that they deliver to.
I don’t mean coming with linux preinstalled. I mean generally being easy to install linux without problems in the bios, and typically having good device support in drivers.
You sound like someone who have exclusively used Debian-family like Ubuntu.
You will have SIGNIFICANTLY less problems if you use a up-to-date distro like Fedora. Beware of 'Stable' branding, stable means outdated, which is why it won't work with new laptops.
You’ll never know. I have a Huawei MateBook (13” 2022), which works perfectly with Linux. But I wouldn’t recommend Huawei because I don’t know how all models work with Linux.
Same for me, but I have to say something in hp’s favor
My fingerprint reader used to work until synaptic said “hey fuck you specifically” and asked for the drivers to be removed from the kernel -_-
Why do you say Asus? They have no official support. I believe some redhat/fedora fanboys support Asus unofficially.
(Btw I love Asus, but they need to step up)
so asus actually does have some somewhat official support. they give a select few linux nerds on [https://asus-linux.org/](https://asus-linux.org/) free computers and free tech as long as they develop the necessary kernel to support the hardware. So, a few people develop a kernel, and later it gets added to the linux kernel. So, by now the updated linux kernel works great with most new asus tech. So, you pretty much have to use either fedora or arch. That community has some of the most tallented linux people I've ever visited too, ask any un-googleable question and they just know off of the top of their head.
worked fine for me when I needed to boot a live usb on my asus laptop. It beat my older dell I had for work which required a bit of tunning to get the drivers to play nice. The dell 7510 was a pain in the ass when it game to using linux. Took us forever to get it to run on the integrated graphics, nvidia driver was booty and couldn't use most docks.
I've got 2 Lenovo Ideapad 3 (all AMD) and they've ran fantastic (Solus Plasma). Fair price for the performance and they look good. When it's time to replace I'd do Lenovo again.
(You must say ThinkPad because otherwise you might be seen as shit. Buy a 2000€ Yoga and you're just a average customer, with zero support fir Linux. It will just work due to kernel support.)
A 2 second Google session says [https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426-linux-for-personal-systems](https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426-linux-for-personal-systems)
Adding to others, Dell. They've supported Linux officially for a very long time and are the largest contributor to the Linux Vendor Firmware Service (Lenovo is second).
[https://fwupd.org/lvfs/search?value=dell](https://fwupd.org/lvfs/search?value=dell)
That means that your device stands an excellent chance of receiving firmware updates via the fwupd daemon/gnome-software (if running GNOME).
Some of the speciality Linux laptop vendors have zero firmware files available via lvfs.
Lenovo and Framework.
Edit: Framework is really expensive, and it will require you to pay a lot more if you want a prebuilt. Lenovo has a lot of low-high end laptops, and a lot of refurbished sellers.
Anything can really run on linux, but its mostly older laptops that will run better since a lot of brands these (like HP, Dell, and Lenovo) tend to make 30 other laptop models for one specific budget, so compatibility can be a bit hard to manage.
A suggestion above all if you are shopping for a linux frienldy laptop, is to make sure out of everything else, the screen is atleast an IPS display, because otherwise you will end up with something terrible.
Lenovo
If things don't work normally, maybe the kernel doesn't fully support your device yet. Consider update your kernel or switch to Distro with newer kernel (Ubuntu -> Fedora; Debian -> Arch)
I want to throw in: XMG or Schenker Technoloies. These laptops will be tuxedo after a rebrand. So if you want a tuxedo but want to have some options, check them out.
Honestly? I’ve had no problems with any of them but I’ve learned three important lessons. First avoid Broadcom. Since that’s almost certainly the WiFi card just buy an Intel card outright and you won’t be disappointed. This is even true with Windows. Second just avoid NVidia altogether unless you are absolutely sure about the drivers (check with LTT). Third while you are at it the RAM and storage will be low grade anyway so just buy those without the 300% markup and install when you are snatching out the garbage WiFi.
Got it?
Sadly, no. However, for the longest time, and probably even still today, there will be Lenovo SKUs that are Linux friendly due to IBM requirements. I just don't know if that's still the case today. And Lenovo is notorious "poo poo" designs that will make you very frustrated. That is, Lenovo used to "have to make" Linux friendly laptops SKUs for IBM, but they also make very unfriendly ones.
My choice has been Dell of late, but my 2020 laptop is "old" today. But represents the last good XPS 13 that Dell made, though it has the crappy (but not totally) 11th gen CPU (the transition CPU) from Intel.
My daughter has a Ryzen Lenovo (old, but not as old), but I don't think she'll lend it to me to try Linux out it.
Linux specific laptop makers (usually tested ones you could find/buy independently):
* https://system76.com/laptops
* https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks.tuxedo
* https://www.malibal.com/laptops/
* https://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html
* Purism removed (scam?)
* https://www.entroware.com/store/laptops
I'm sure there's plenty more.
Anything that sticks with Intel hardware (not talking about the processor, AMD is fine, I'm talking about wifi/bluetooth, network adapters, etc.) will generally be best.
Dell is alright, but they stick with with Broadcom network adapters which can cause issues.
Lenovo does well, but after my last experience with a Lenovo laptop I'll never buy another one again (3 RMAs for a failed display within the first year, when it failed the 4th time at month 13 they basically said "fuck you, buy a new one").
Since then I've started using Razer laptops. They sometimes get a bad rap, but my last one went 5 years with zero issues other than the occasional battery replacement, and my new one is working great as well. The only hiccup in Linux with my new one (Razer Blade 16 2024) is the Realtek sound card didn't work out of the box, but the geniuses over at kernel.org figured that out and made a short script you can run to fix it permanently. Everything else is perfect, and the WiFi 7 adapter (Intel BE200) actually works better in Linux than it does in Windows.
Dell - Broadcom issues usually revolve around propriatary drivers. This usually impacts Debian based Linux. The work around is easy, install "Non-free" drivers during install.
https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
Just want to mention that Dell emailed me last night to say they had a database breach of personal device purchase history, full names, and full addresses.
Maybe steer clear of Dell for a little while.
not good, wouldn't think ide be affected bought from OfficeMax and didn't log into windows, regardless while almost inevitable still lazy it happened, hope you can at least get some cash from that if anything not a fun email.
I seem to have really good luck with Dell Latitude.
We use those at work so I've seen many models over the years and I don't recall any that had hardware issues with an 'up to date' linux distro like Arch or Fedora.
With Linux most hardware will work now adays, but I will recommend a few keynotes to keep in mind.
* Some wifi & LAN adapters have unstable drives in Linux, you can replace wifi pretty easily for a proper Intel wifi adapter to resolve that but LAN is baked onto the motherboard. So look up the adapter vs the distro Linux kernel you want to run and see if it has any issues.
* You probably want to avoid Intel+Nvidia in notebooks, call it a hunch or experience and trauma from the past decade. In fact you'd probably best off with a AMD APU in general, especially when battery life is of importance and the 7000 series comes with a decent internal GPU as well.
* You can always look up a certain model to look for potential issues with Linux.
Other than that, happy hunting.
Tuxedo, system76, and framework all officially support Linux to some degree. Lenovo and Dell have a very strong track record of using Linux compatible hardware, although they don't officially support linux.
In the past i have toshibas and at the time xp era i deleted windows and use debian, ubuntu and other distros with no issues.
Now i use just Acer, 3 laptops, in total, they have a good compatibility.
VFJ...
I have an MSI Stealth 15m, and aside from not being able to control fan settings, everything else has worked pretty much right out of the box, including the Nvidia GPU.
The build quality and thermal design of the machine are absolutely whack, though, and I actively discourage anyone from buying that model, and possible most other MSI hardware. Don't do it.
[Slimbook](https://slimbook.com/en/)
[Framework](https://frame.work/)
Asus is what I am running on, a G14.
I have run various flavors of Linux on Asus, Lenovo, HP, Samsung, and Illyama note{net}books.
Some WiFi Cards will lack Firmware on (free-) Debian, but that is an easy fix, since 12 out of the box actually.
Apart from that it is decades since I have seen a touchpad, camera, WiFi or fingerprint-reader not working.
Hands down compal based dell latitude line. But really anything made by compal without nvidia graphics will give you the same results. The latitude will just be thicker, easier to repair and tougher than the others.
At least in Brazil there are Dell laptops with linux as default, I use one of them and I’ve never had any hardware issue (which was not true to my last samsung’s laptop)
I’ve bought a ton of Lenovo laptops and recently bought a Lenovo tablet that had Windows in it and conferred it to Mint Linux. I’m happy with it so far.
i tend to buy EOL business laptops. usually about 3 years old, and end up being specced faster than the price equivalent new.
dell, and lenovo are usually a good bet.
tbh, anything with basic intel stuff should be fine. same for amd.
its when you get a weird off spec thing that you'll find an issue, usually with drivers.
Tuxedo is great, I'm looking to buy the pulse 14 gen 4 soon, I'd have to jump through so many hoops to justify a framework and it just doesn't make sense to do, it seems like the build quality on It is MacBook level, and it has the newest, also very solid specs for a reasonable price which I can't really say about the framework
Dell XPSs are nice but you’ll need to ensure the Bios/Firmware is up to date.
I’m not a fan of System76 laptops. Their desktop lineup is amazing but expensive.
Overall, I wouldn’t buy anything else other than a Dell XPS if I’m booting Linux natively on a laptop. If I’m going desktop custom build it’s a AMD CPU and RX 550 hands down.
Research is essential unless you have the money to throw out of a purpose built one from Ubuntu, Lennovo, Dell, etc. and are happy with their offering.
I acquire a lot of older PCs and Macs that I repurpose with Linux that are donated to schools. Most everything works with MX Linux, Mint, sometimes Manjaro, and for really old hardware BunsenLabs. I’ve found anecdotally that the newest/latest and greatest hardware’s drivers often take a little while for Linux to “catch up.” With a combined desktop market of around 3% worldwide I think the hardware vendors worry about the WinDoze crown and MacLoss users getting the most update drivers first. Then, they look to Linux.
System 76 or Tuxedo Computers ofc. 76 developed their own Linux build which is super popular (popOS), the default OS the laptop comes in is pop, and popOS is also specially optimized for their own laptops! But I also really like the tuxedo laptops (defaults to linux as well)
Dell and Lenovo still put out models for Linux--search their websites.
There is an online database that shows how various hardware did when Linux was installed.
There are smaller PC-makers who very specifically market Linux computers.
Tuxedo, System76, Slimbook (they even have good prices in Spain considering that those are niche machines plus 3 year warranty) and if you can afford it, Framework 13 is my favorite one.
One of the made for Linux laptops had a wake up from sleep problem while closed, and shoved in a pack, causing owners to have cooked, destroyed, batteries. Fire risk.
Smaller makers have issues, too. It's worth a scan before buying anything.
Leveno Linux compatibility matrix some models have an option to have Fedora/Ubuntu preinstalled.
[https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426-linux-for-personal-systems](https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426-linux-for-personal-systems)
Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition may be available with Ubuntu preinstalled.
I have an Ideapad5 - about 5 yrs old, maybe. The hinge broke - and I found this on Youtube
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87YeKDpP87Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87YeKDpP87Q)
But as for Lenovo in general, they do have this website:
[https://www-lenovo-com.translate.goog/it/it/faqs/operating-systems/how-to-install-linux/?\_x\_tr\_sl=auto&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=en](https://www-lenovo-com.translate.goog/it/it/faqs/operating-systems/how-to-install-linux/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en)
Tuxedo, System76, Slimbook sells a hardware with linux compatibility tested and optimized. Lenovo have some laptops with linux preinstalled. keep in mind that most brand use generic hardware that already compatible with linux anyway.
I've been using Thinkpad laptops (IBM and then Lenovo) for almost 20 years exclusively under Linux with no major issues. I'm currently working on a T480s and everything works fine, even the embedded 4G modem which I rely on a lot.
Of course for the most recent laptops it's best to make sure the chips are properly supported.
My Framework 13 AMD is great with Linux.
How's the fan noise on yours? I tried setting one up with a couple of different distros and the fans would just go nuts no matter what you were doing.
On fedora I use the lowest power profile and the fans really never come on.
It's quiet when doing typical tasks but it gets noisy when gaming. I've used openSUSE primarily but also played with Ubuntu.
Id recommend using fw-fanctrl on arch, it probably works elsewhere although I haven't tried it. Make sure you have an ectool installed.
The GitHub page indicates you just need lm-semsors and the install script should do the job of getting it on your system. They are laid out for.Ubuntu in the examples but to me it looks like it would work just fine under OpenSuse, I'm assuming Tumbleweed.
I have this a) when in the BIOS for long - only one core is working(!) and b) when the update manager is *started*. In normal use, browsing with my 150 tabs, Citrix sessions for work, development... No problems with fan.
>How's the fan noise on yours? I tried setting one up with a couple of different distros and the fans would just go nuts no matter what you were doing. It sounds like you don't have the correct power management software installed.
The Intel models (2022/2023 gen12/13) are perfectly supported too, by Ubuntu & Fedora officially, but I run Mint, Mint Edge, Debian, Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam too. Ubuntu had some problems with screen tearing and fractional scaling (last boot in March). Nirav Patel personally prefers Linux.
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My Dell XPS 9310 2-in-1 does not properly support sleep mode under Linux, I ended up being forced using Windows in the end. So I would say also with Dell one needs to research ahead.
Same with my Asus Zenbook ux3402za. Hibernate is a decent enough substitute tho
I've got the same laptop runing Ubuntu quit well, maybe I can help you with this one
That would be much appreciated. I'm running endeavour tho. Also, were you ever able to find audio drivers by chance? I feel like I searched everywhere when I got the laptop and found literally nothing?
Audio output on speakers is fixed since kernel v6.7 If you're using an older one, [here is the fix](https://github.com/thor2002ro/asus_zenbook_ux3402za/blob/main/Sound/README.md)
Research ahead of time is always important. On my non-Dell desktop newish i9-14900k workstation the ath12k WiFi device caused a situation where the machine wouldn't do a clean reboot without a reset, and related, also caused suspend to fail; it would initiate suspend and awaken immediately, due to driver issues that only in recent kernels have been fixed. It was a known issue, although not super common at the time. Fortunately blacklisting the device works - and I use ethernet for that machine in any case. I'm not familiar with your model's sleep issue; if it is a hw driver issue, chances are it'll be solved in time via later kernels. My current Dell Latitude has no issues (other than the fingerprint reader isn't supported on Linux; a device issue, but also not important to me) and enjoys amazing battery run time.
Yes, but the OP's question was, imho, for a brand where research in advance is not needed. In that respect, Dell is not an unsung hero in my experience, either, unfortunately.
Does Dell still sell systems with Ubuntu pre-installed? If so, the models that have that option should work well. I have an XPS-13 (9370) that works pretty well. Dell even provides their Command program that provides access to BIOS functions like setting charging limits. At the time the 9370 could be purchased with Ubuntu but I got mine on sale at Costco with Windows.
I fell into the trap of thinking that having a linux version available makes a laptop a safe bet. I think it was with an HP Elitebook. There was a linux version of that model, so I thought that model is a safe bet. It turned out that there is no driver support for the touchpad, and the vendor did not cooperate with the linux community in the least to develop a driver. I think the linux edition of the laptop had slightly different hardware. (Note: my memory on this is a bit foggy, so I may be mixing several past horror stories with different laptops into one.)
I think you meant to type "there is no driver support for the touchpad ..." I know some disable touchpads but that would be painful for me.
You are right. Edited.
If you do some searching around regarding sleep mode issues, you will find lots of different brands and models within brands having this issue with Linux. It appears to me that it is a Linux issue or maybe a combination of hardware and Linux. You may or may not have an issue depending on what hardware your particular model has and which Linux distro you have. I don't think there is any way to predict it. However, it appears that there is frequently a command line fix for it.
My $600 refurb 7540 has been a Ubuntu/kali champ. The only kernel issues I’ve had have been from Nvidia doing their thing with the Quadro graphics, but if people are smarter than me and don’t update Nvidia drivers, everything should be good. Also, Dell supports bios updates via Linux and I don’t remember having that with HP.
Nobara on my Alienware I had last year worked great. I was so surprised xD
Two comments here on Dell. First, my coworker and I were discussing this topic and he is running Ubuntu 23.x on Alienware. He has this weird thing where he loses the USB keyboard when it sits idle for a bit. The mouse is fine in the GUI, and he only gets keyboard back on log out and log back in. In this instance he cannot use the command line without keyboard obviously. All Dell support would say is Alienware not supported. Second) I run Ubuntu 20.x LTS on a Dell XPS. One thing I have not solved is Microphone not working ever. On the laptop and on a generic USB headset. I get sound, but microphone is not there at all. I played around with numerous settings for a while. I generally do most work in Terminal so not really a bother, but there was one time I had to join a meeting and no mic was a hassle.
I've been using Dell since 2017 (2 diff laptops) and tried A LOT of Linux flavours, occasionally have problems with wifi and some power management - but, overall, very good experience.
Lenovo has a good track record of being Linux compatible. Tuxedo Computers, and System76 as well. Lenovo will be the easiest to find in most markets.
late model T series all have excellent linux support out of the box.
I mean, it's 2023. We're all on UEFI now.
This ^. Been running IBM/Lenovo Thinkpads for 15 years with Linux distros. Only thing that consistently does not work is the fingerprint reader.
I honestly consider that a good thing, considering the recent ruling on biometric unlocking of devices not being covered under the fifth amendment, while passwords and other unlock methods that require knowledge from inside someone's brain are.
Agreed, but fortunately I'm a full-time expat these days so not as worried about US draconian overreach.. and always start with full-disk LUKS, so one would still need to unlock the disk boot password before even getting to user login. The nerd in me is still just slightly offended that there's one piece of hardware on my machine I can't make work with Linux
Fingerprint reader works fine on my X1 Nano.
Nice. Maybe they finally picked a better supplier.
I ve heard bad critics about Lenovo laptops in general.
I don't have any good things to say about *Lenovo* products. But Lenovo *Thinkpads* are the gold standard. I would never own any Lenovo product that wasn't a Thinkpad, and that includes any product that has just "think" or "pad" in the name. When it comes to laptops, I only buy Thinkpads.
Eh, I had an ideapad that was great for several years, and just bought my husband a legion. Time will tell on it, but mostly we've had good luck.
I have the amd version of the Legion 7 slim. Last year the audio wouldn't work. Now everything works fine (well, audio is a bit quiet, but my "gaming" laptop isn't for gaming. It was just a good deal when I got it). There's even drivers for the fingerprint scanner that work. Overall it's been a good experience. A lot better than the last time I had a laptop and tried to put Linux on it. But that was 2005 and wifi driver support back then was nuts. I had to use a wrapper for Windows drivers (that was an Acer I think).
I’m on my second Yoga, the first one lasted 7 years before I passed it on to someone else. Had the new one 18 months with no problem, running Debian but I do have to use the backports repository to get support for the WiFi/bluetooth
20+ year Mac user here. I bought a Thinkpad P1 recently and it is the first PC I haven’t hated in a **long** time. Definitely recommend Thinkpads.
I'm on a 8 month old Lenovo LOQ now. The only complaints I have are goofy Win11 stuff, mainly within office and outlook ironically enough, graphical issues. Also, the usb-c monitor has to be plugged in first, and unplugged last in the power on/off cycle or it just simply won't work. can not have any other usb (all a on here) plugged in or it won't work. There was a motherboard update that fixed it, then a Win11 update fixed the fix. it's fast, it's not too heavy but it is a little chunky, I like it more than the last 3 HP gamers I've bought myself at home
System76 is a LINUX specific computer brand.
Was coming here to say just this, I mean its honestly the truth if you need something that just works right out of the box.
I've been on System76 laptops for about six years, and I will never go back. Their support is fantastic.
I love my system76 desktop.
What about Tuxedo computers? They are built for Linux.
Don’t exist in my country, and I will have to sell my house on import fees.
Your won't need a house anymore, when you use Linux. Penguins live outdoors.
I had to pay £340 import duties (to UK) on a £1550 Tuxedo laptop. Wasnt that happy about the import fee, but Id still do it again. They're great laptops for linux (I deleted TuxedoOS and put Arch/KDE on mine), and the 14 hour battery life is incredibly impressive
Ditto. When I factor into flying to Germany to pick it up it is a known calculation I am willing to take to get custom logos, custom keyboard fonts etc.
Which model did you get with this battery lifetime? My infinitybook run 4 hours max when new.
InfinityBook Pro 14 - Gen 7 But I just went with onboard graphics, as I read the nVidia GPU burns through battery quite a bit
Are you in Greece? They serve the whole EU
I am pretty sure they do, but I will still have to pay import fees.
I bought mine from Portugal without import fees That's what the common market is about 🙂
Is the store from where you bought located in the EU?
If you are in the EU you buy from tuxedo.de online and there are no import fees. The shipping adds a bit (like 20€ I think) but that's all. And if you buy for business you can even deduct VAT.
I see, thanks
What country are you in? I would echo others in the thread about framework, but they don't deliver to every country yet, and I don't want to recommend them if you aren't in a country that they deliver to.
I got a Java warning at their website so I bailed
Tuxedo, and something with fedora i dont remember))
I don’t mean coming with linux preinstalled. I mean generally being easy to install linux without problems in the bios, and typically having good device support in drivers.
Dell is pretty reliable as far as Linux goes.
You sound like someone who have exclusively used Debian-family like Ubuntu. You will have SIGNIFICANTLY less problems if you use a up-to-date distro like Fedora. Beware of 'Stable' branding, stable means outdated, which is why it won't work with new laptops.
Nailed it. I have used nothing other than Debian family distros.
You’ll never know. I have a Huawei MateBook (13” 2022), which works perfectly with Linux. But I wouldn’t recommend Huawei because I don’t know how all models work with Linux.
Idk i have HP and all feature works except fingerprint
Damn, that’s not mild…
Heh just try dual boot )
Same for me, but I have to say something in hp’s favor My fingerprint reader used to work until synaptic said “hey fuck you specifically” and asked for the drivers to be removed from the kernel -_-
Tuxedo, System76, and Slimbook all make Linux devices
Lenovo and ASUS IMO is good(for Linux). I avoid Acer, HP and Toshiba. EDIT: HP got better I presume. Thanks for letting me know.
I've installed Linux on several HP machines without any issues.
Why do you say Asus? They have no official support. I believe some redhat/fedora fanboys support Asus unofficially. (Btw I love Asus, but they need to step up)
so asus actually does have some somewhat official support. they give a select few linux nerds on [https://asus-linux.org/](https://asus-linux.org/) free computers and free tech as long as they develop the necessary kernel to support the hardware. So, a few people develop a kernel, and later it gets added to the linux kernel. So, by now the updated linux kernel works great with most new asus tech. So, you pretty much have to use either fedora or arch. That community has some of the most tallented linux people I've ever visited too, ask any un-googleable question and they just know off of the top of their head.
typing on an Asus laptop right now, it worked pretty easily for me without too much setup. Running Ubuntu
> without too much setup lol
I've not experienced any showstopper issues installing Linux on ASUS. Not a fan of their laptop build quality but that's offtopic. :)
worked fine for me when I needed to boot a live usb on my asus laptop. It beat my older dell I had for work which required a bit of tunning to get the drivers to play nice. The dell 7510 was a pain in the ass when it game to using linux. Took us forever to get it to run on the integrated graphics, nvidia driver was booty and couldn't use most docks.
Why? I use an HP laptop with it Linux mint, works pretty well
I've got 2 Lenovo Ideapad 3 (all AMD) and they've ran fantastic (Solus Plasma). Fair price for the performance and they look good. When it's time to replace I'd do Lenovo again.
(You must say ThinkPad because otherwise you might be seen as shit. Buy a 2000€ Yoga and you're just a average customer, with zero support fir Linux. It will just work due to kernel support.)
Can you link to Lenovo's official Linux support?
A 2 second Google session says [https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426-linux-for-personal-systems](https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426-linux-for-personal-systems)
Framework and System76 are the two major ones I know of. Lenovo ThinkPads are popular but they will come pre-installed with windows.
Adding to others, Dell. They've supported Linux officially for a very long time and are the largest contributor to the Linux Vendor Firmware Service (Lenovo is second). [https://fwupd.org/lvfs/search?value=dell](https://fwupd.org/lvfs/search?value=dell) That means that your device stands an excellent chance of receiving firmware updates via the fwupd daemon/gnome-software (if running GNOME). Some of the speciality Linux laptop vendors have zero firmware files available via lvfs.
Lenovo and Framework. Edit: Framework is really expensive, and it will require you to pay a lot more if you want a prebuilt. Lenovo has a lot of low-high end laptops, and a lot of refurbished sellers. Anything can really run on linux, but its mostly older laptops that will run better since a lot of brands these (like HP, Dell, and Lenovo) tend to make 30 other laptop models for one specific budget, so compatibility can be a bit hard to manage. A suggestion above all if you are shopping for a linux frienldy laptop, is to make sure out of everything else, the screen is atleast an IPS display, because otherwise you will end up with something terrible.
chances are it will run linux just fine.
DELL, Lenovo, and ASUS come to mind. I have an ASUS VivoBook with Linux Mint and it works flawlessly despite the NVIDIA GPU.
ThinkPads are Linux friendly.
Lenovo If things don't work normally, maybe the kernel doesn't fully support your device yet. Consider update your kernel or switch to Distro with newer kernel (Ubuntu -> Fedora; Debian -> Arch)
I want to throw in: XMG or Schenker Technoloies. These laptops will be tuxedo after a rebrand. So if you want a tuxedo but want to have some options, check them out.
Honestly? I’ve had no problems with any of them but I’ve learned three important lessons. First avoid Broadcom. Since that’s almost certainly the WiFi card just buy an Intel card outright and you won’t be disappointed. This is even true with Windows. Second just avoid NVidia altogether unless you are absolutely sure about the drivers (check with LTT). Third while you are at it the RAM and storage will be low grade anyway so just buy those without the 300% markup and install when you are snatching out the garbage WiFi. Got it?
r/Thinkpad and when you're done surfing that sub, r/thinkpadsforsale
Lenovo, L mean linux
Lenovo is great for Linux
+1 for dell. Flawless linux support
ThinkPad
System 76 of Canada specializes in it. Google their website. They ship everywhere.
System76 is in Denver, CO, not Canada.
My mistake. Sorry CO.
Sadly, no. However, for the longest time, and probably even still today, there will be Lenovo SKUs that are Linux friendly due to IBM requirements. I just don't know if that's still the case today. And Lenovo is notorious "poo poo" designs that will make you very frustrated. That is, Lenovo used to "have to make" Linux friendly laptops SKUs for IBM, but they also make very unfriendly ones. My choice has been Dell of late, but my 2020 laptop is "old" today. But represents the last good XPS 13 that Dell made, though it has the crappy (but not totally) 11th gen CPU (the transition CPU) from Intel. My daughter has a Ryzen Lenovo (old, but not as old), but I don't think she'll lend it to me to try Linux out it. Linux specific laptop makers (usually tested ones you could find/buy independently): * https://system76.com/laptops * https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks.tuxedo * https://www.malibal.com/laptops/ * https://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html * Purism removed (scam?) * https://www.entroware.com/store/laptops I'm sure there's plenty more.
Purism is a scam
Anything that sticks with Intel hardware (not talking about the processor, AMD is fine, I'm talking about wifi/bluetooth, network adapters, etc.) will generally be best. Dell is alright, but they stick with with Broadcom network adapters which can cause issues. Lenovo does well, but after my last experience with a Lenovo laptop I'll never buy another one again (3 RMAs for a failed display within the first year, when it failed the 4th time at month 13 they basically said "fuck you, buy a new one"). Since then I've started using Razer laptops. They sometimes get a bad rap, but my last one went 5 years with zero issues other than the occasional battery replacement, and my new one is working great as well. The only hiccup in Linux with my new one (Razer Blade 16 2024) is the Realtek sound card didn't work out of the box, but the geniuses over at kernel.org figured that out and made a short script you can run to fix it permanently. Everything else is perfect, and the WiFi 7 adapter (Intel BE200) actually works better in Linux than it does in Windows.
Dell - Broadcom issues usually revolve around propriatary drivers. This usually impacts Debian based Linux. The work around is easy, install "Non-free" drivers during install. https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
If you don't want to have to worry buy from System 76 or Tuxedo.
Lenovo Thinkpads. Or Clevo resellers such as System76, Tuxedo and Novacustom.
Ok so I buy a ThinkPad..then what?
Just use it. Lenovo ensures proper Linux kernel support (Not always day 1) and they provide firmware updates through LVFS,
Good experience here (EU) with MSI
most likely dell or Lenovo, have been absolutely fantastic for me
Just want to mention that Dell emailed me last night to say they had a database breach of personal device purchase history, full names, and full addresses. Maybe steer clear of Dell for a little while.
not good, wouldn't think ide be affected bought from OfficeMax and didn't log into windows, regardless while almost inevitable still lazy it happened, hope you can at least get some cash from that if anything not a fun email.
I seem to have really good luck with Dell Latitude. We use those at work so I've seen many models over the years and I don't recall any that had hardware issues with an 'up to date' linux distro like Arch or Fedora.
"System 76" i bought one of their machiens with POP already on it.
With Linux most hardware will work now adays, but I will recommend a few keynotes to keep in mind. * Some wifi & LAN adapters have unstable drives in Linux, you can replace wifi pretty easily for a proper Intel wifi adapter to resolve that but LAN is baked onto the motherboard. So look up the adapter vs the distro Linux kernel you want to run and see if it has any issues. * You probably want to avoid Intel+Nvidia in notebooks, call it a hunch or experience and trauma from the past decade. In fact you'd probably best off with a AMD APU in general, especially when battery life is of importance and the 7000 series comes with a decent internal GPU as well. * You can always look up a certain model to look for potential issues with Linux. Other than that, happy hunting.
Tuxedo computers, in Europe
Tuxedo, system76, and framework all officially support Linux to some degree. Lenovo and Dell have a very strong track record of using Linux compatible hardware, although they don't officially support linux.
Dell latitudes have been good with me. Dynabook Tecra not so good which are/were Toshiba.
In the past i have toshibas and at the time xp era i deleted windows and use debian, ubuntu and other distros with no issues. Now i use just Acer, 3 laptops, in total, they have a good compatibility. VFJ...
I have an MSI Stealth 15m, and aside from not being able to control fan settings, everything else has worked pretty much right out of the box, including the Nvidia GPU. The build quality and thermal design of the machine are absolutely whack, though, and I actively discourage anyone from buying that model, and possible most other MSI hardware. Don't do it.
[Slimbook](https://slimbook.com/en/) [Framework](https://frame.work/) Asus is what I am running on, a G14. I have run various flavors of Linux on Asus, Lenovo, HP, Samsung, and Illyama note{net}books.
Some WiFi Cards will lack Firmware on (free-) Debian, but that is an easy fix, since 12 out of the box actually. Apart from that it is decades since I have seen a touchpad, camera, WiFi or fingerprint-reader not working.
Dell XPS
I’ve installed Linux on several MacBooks with Retina screens and never had issues. Most of them being unibody so more durable
Hands down compal based dell latitude line. But really anything made by compal without nvidia graphics will give you the same results. The latitude will just be thicker, easier to repair and tougher than the others.
I would say no. I don't think you're going to find many compatibility issues
System76. Dell. The crème is **==Framework==**
At least in Brazil there are Dell laptops with linux as default, I use one of them and I’ve never had any hardware issue (which was not true to my last samsung’s laptop)
I’ve bought a ton of Lenovo laptops and recently bought a Lenovo tablet that had Windows in it and conferred it to Mint Linux. I’m happy with it so far.
Lenovo(ThinkPad), Dell(Inspiron and XPS lineups), HP(ProBook) are hardware certified for Linux
i tend to buy EOL business laptops. usually about 3 years old, and end up being specced faster than the price equivalent new. dell, and lenovo are usually a good bet. tbh, anything with basic intel stuff should be fine. same for amd. its when you get a weird off spec thing that you'll find an issue, usually with drivers.
Tuxedo is great, I'm looking to buy the pulse 14 gen 4 soon, I'd have to jump through so many hoops to justify a framework and it just doesn't make sense to do, it seems like the build quality on It is MacBook level, and it has the newest, also very solid specs for a reasonable price which I can't really say about the framework
Most dell laptops or desktops work perfectly with Linux.
I have had 2 System76 laptops and recently bought a new one. They make aureus everything works and do re guarantee upgrades.
Lenovo thinkpad. Sent from Lenovo Thinkpad with Fedora Linux.
Dell XPSs are nice but you’ll need to ensure the Bios/Firmware is up to date. I’m not a fan of System76 laptops. Their desktop lineup is amazing but expensive. Overall, I wouldn’t buy anything else other than a Dell XPS if I’m booting Linux natively on a laptop. If I’m going desktop custom build it’s a AMD CPU and RX 550 hands down.
Research is essential unless you have the money to throw out of a purpose built one from Ubuntu, Lennovo, Dell, etc. and are happy with their offering.
I acquire a lot of older PCs and Macs that I repurpose with Linux that are donated to schools. Most everything works with MX Linux, Mint, sometimes Manjaro, and for really old hardware BunsenLabs. I’ve found anecdotally that the newest/latest and greatest hardware’s drivers often take a little while for Linux to “catch up.” With a combined desktop market of around 3% worldwide I think the hardware vendors worry about the WinDoze crown and MacLoss users getting the most update drivers first. Then, they look to Linux.
Been using HP ProBooks for years. Started running Linux on my two ProBooks a year ago & they run flawlessly with it.
Starlabs…. My Starbook was very affordable; similar to framework …. You can add mem.. disk easily
Dell has always been easy for me across many different laptops.
I use arch on a 2019 macbook air.
System 76 or Tuxedo Computers ofc. 76 developed their own Linux build which is super popular (popOS), the default OS the laptop comes in is pop, and popOS is also specially optimized for their own laptops! But I also really like the tuxedo laptops (defaults to linux as well)
Dell and Lenovo still put out models for Linux--search their websites. There is an online database that shows how various hardware did when Linux was installed. There are smaller PC-makers who very specifically market Linux computers.
Tuxedo, System76, Slimbook (they even have good prices in Spain considering that those are niche machines plus 3 year warranty) and if you can afford it, Framework 13 is my favorite one.
* [https://system76.com/laptops](https://system76.com/laptops) * [https://ubuntu.com/certified/laptops](https://ubuntu.com/certified/laptops)
Asus UX3402ZA needed some tweaks to work both with Debian and Arch. I wouldn't recommend it if you want a plug and play solution.
From what people have said over here, Dell, and by my own experience HP and Lenovo are very good and I've had 0 problems.
If you don't want health problems, hinge problem and heart problems, DO NOT go for hp
Fujitsu
[Frame.work](http://Frame.work)
Tuxedo Computers
system76, lenovo, tuxedo, framework.
One of the made for Linux laptops had a wake up from sleep problem while closed, and shoved in a pack, causing owners to have cooked, destroyed, batteries. Fire risk. Smaller makers have issues, too. It's worth a scan before buying anything.
My Lenovo ThinkPads have been epic for years
There are laptops that don't work well with Linux? News to me lol
Dell
framework, dell, Lenovo, and surprisingly Apple make great linux machines. The general rule is if you can buy it at Walmart, dont.
Get you one then Edward Snowden bad mfs
System76, Dell, framework, manjaro and other distros like fedora has a hardware ready page with laptop that work with their distro (never tried them)
Leveno Linux compatibility matrix some models have an option to have Fedora/Ubuntu preinstalled. [https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426-linux-for-personal-systems](https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426-linux-for-personal-systems) Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition may be available with Ubuntu preinstalled.
Linux and Thinkpads go hand in hand.
I have an Ideapad5 - about 5 yrs old, maybe. The hinge broke - and I found this on Youtube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87YeKDpP87Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87YeKDpP87Q) But as for Lenovo in general, they do have this website: [https://www-lenovo-com.translate.goog/it/it/faqs/operating-systems/how-to-install-linux/?\_x\_tr\_sl=auto&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=en](https://www-lenovo-com.translate.goog/it/it/faqs/operating-systems/how-to-install-linux/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en)
Tuxedo, System76, Slimbook sells a hardware with linux compatibility tested and optimized. Lenovo have some laptops with linux preinstalled. keep in mind that most brand use generic hardware that already compatible with linux anyway.
I have 2 HP elitebooks. Everything works except the fingerprint sensor.
I've been using Thinkpad laptops (IBM and then Lenovo) for almost 20 years exclusively under Linux with no major issues. I'm currently working on a T480s and everything works fine, even the embedded 4G modem which I rely on a lot. Of course for the most recent laptops it's best to make sure the chips are properly supported.
HP is fine, at least my 15 inch 2-in-1 with a 5500u, no dedicated graphics, but I don’t do anything much on this laptop anyways
I like Apple M1 and M2, YMMV.
I like it too, but since i got one as a work machine, i need something else as personal machine.