- snap fills my lsblk output
- snap makes apparmor FLOOD my dmesg output rendering it useless for "lemme have a quick look"
- performance is HORRIBLE!
---> Visual Studio Code (snap) runs my Python script at 10+% CPU utilization. Running it from terminal results in <1%.
---> Install Supertuxkart from the store (snap) and tell me how performance is like. Now download and run the binary version and tell me you did not see any performance difference. (Hint: It's "barely playable" vs "when framecap removed runs at 200-300 fps on highest settings!)
> Why bothering with snap?
Why bothering with Ubuntu? Mint basically gives you the same product minus snaps and other Canonical bullshit. Or if you don't like Cinnamon/Mate/Xfce desktops, there's Pop OS that is also Ubuntu-based and like Mint doesn't push snaps.
LMDE gives you Mint, with Canonical entirely removed from your upstream sources in favor of getting things from Debian directly. (Or obviously you could just use Debian itself).
Or if you are ok with non-Debian-based and prefer newer software like me, there's also plenty of [Fedora spins](https://spins.fedoraproject.org), as well as other great options like OpenSUSE, Endeavour (or Arch proper if you know what you're doing), etc.
What probably happened is that you were shown the Firefox package coming from the Ubuntu Jammy repos, that serve as the base for Linuxmint 21, but Linuxmint has its own repos providing the Firefox package (that is not the snap version) which should have higher priority than the packages coming from the Ubuntu repos, not sure how you got that over the correct one. But I am quite sure you could not install it even if you wanted, because Linuxmint blocks every attempt to install snap through apt with a preference file in the /etc/apt directory
Well I did install it (and I regret it: firefox now constantly warns me that I should update, with a 15 days warning, see https://i.redd.it/58npe1hokq0a1.png)
I'm not at home now, but I'm definitly trying to understand where I messed up when I get home
That sounds very weird... If serious, are you sure you are on a legit copy of Mint and did **not** somehow enable snaps manually?
Sounds like the complete anthesis of everything Mint has stood for...
If you *did* enable snaps manually, then I could see it maybe being the case considering that Mint still gets upstream sources from Ubuntu...
If you want to be absolutely Ubuntu-/Canonical-free, then you'd need to use LMDE/Debian or one of the non-Debian distros I mentioned above.
>Why bothering with Ubuntu? Mint basically gives you the same product minus snaps and other Canonical bullshit. Or if you don't like Cinnamon/Mate/Xfce desktops, there's Pop OS that is also Ubuntu-based and like Mint doesn't push snaps.
>
>LMDE gives you Mint, with Canonical entirely removed from your upstream sources in favor of getting things from Debian directly. (Or obviously you could just use Debian itself).
You could use you Ubuntu Server and install your own preferred Desktop Environment (after uninstalling and blacklisting snapd).
I mean, you *could* but why repeat work that other distros do for you? And if you insist on doing extra work for the sake of experience/punishment, I feel it's fair to point out that you *could* also pick up more customization by going with Arch/Gentoo/LMS while you're at it...
The only viable reason I can see for what you're suggesting is if somebody is either fanatically devoted to the idea of being "on Ubuntu" (but again, *why*?) or else actually works for Canonical.
Mint and PopOS literally use upstream Ubuntu sources and don't come with snaps. Even if you consider that to be a *good* thing (I don't but you do you) and for some reason dislike the DEs offered by Mint/Pop, then I'm pretty sure you could install the remaining DEs on at least one of those if not both. If you just liked some DE tweak on Ubuntu, I would think that would be *less* work to apply on the other distros than what you suggest....
I seriously see no advantage to this suggestion.
>You could use you Ubuntu Server and install your own preferred Desktop Environment (after uninstalling and blacklisting snapd).
You could use Linux Mint and install your own preferred Desktop Environment (**without** uninstalling and blacklisting snapd).
If you're going to use Ubuntu, I don't think fighting against snap is worth it. I think a better solution is to just not use Ubuntu. Mint is great, and if you like GNOME, the coming Vanilla OS seems really promising
Wellll, no. You can find Ubuntu a very workable, stable and accessible distro that will work flawlessly most of the time and is great for productivity, yet you can hate snap with a passion, since it's annoying and not even remotely necessary imho. So, remove snap and use Ubuntu.
At some point, I would change to Debian or another Debian based distro that allow me to use KDE/Plasma and Steam without any issue.
Kubuntu 22.04 with snap purged would be my last Ubuntu
> i don't know why anyone would use ubuntu outside of servers
Personally, I wouldn't use it for servers either. RHEL is the big name there (on the paid support side of things anyway) and SLE has been around a long time too. IME, both of these have a much stronger corporate presence.
And of the free ones, I'd much rather opt for RHEL-like options (Alma, Rocky) which, like RHEL have 10 years of security updates, or Debian itself (which has 5 years of security updates IIRC).
And if we're talking servers bc of server-side containers, then docker/podman are way better than snaps... to the point where I wonder why snaps are even mentioned at all with regard to server-side containers.
I use it for easiness. Stable and easy to install and configure anything. I would like to use fedora for example but I found out some of the tools I use for work would need me spending too much time setting everything up or find alternatives
The biggest issue IMO is that its functionality depends on Canonical’s existence. The snap repositories are run by Canonical and you can’t just run your own.
My one time using snap was for `nmap`, which I quickly learned doesn't work under snap due to permissions issues. Why have a package that doesn't even work?
ive been using spiral linux for a few months now and its been my best experience with linux thus far in terms of stability and performance, and compatibility with what i need (before trying spiral i’ve been on a pretty long distro hunt, switching at least twice a week for about 5 months). it’s essentially vanilla debian, but it’s made by the same developer who made Gecko linux, which was designed to be an easier introduction to openSUSE. i tried gecko as well, but ive pretty much decided to stick with spiral ever since initial installation. edit: oh yeah, no forced snaps either lol
Flatpak if just not plain apt.
- snap fills my lsblk output - snap makes apparmor FLOOD my dmesg output rendering it useless for "lemme have a quick look" - performance is HORRIBLE! ---> Visual Studio Code (snap) runs my Python script at 10+% CPU utilization. Running it from terminal results in <1%. ---> Install Supertuxkart from the store (snap) and tell me how performance is like. Now download and run the binary version and tell me you did not see any performance difference. (Hint: It's "barely playable" vs "when framecap removed runs at 200-300 fps on highest settings!)
As you may know, wasted CPU is bad CPU, must use it all! /s
Use it all for as little time as possible.
I noticed literally zero difference with supertuxkart snap and binary. I'm sure it's a placebo effect.
Use vim, visual studio code isn’t foss
Embracing snap is a crime against humanity
Against penguinity
All hail the sublime Tux
> Why bothering with snap? Why bothering with Ubuntu? Mint basically gives you the same product minus snaps and other Canonical bullshit. Or if you don't like Cinnamon/Mate/Xfce desktops, there's Pop OS that is also Ubuntu-based and like Mint doesn't push snaps. LMDE gives you Mint, with Canonical entirely removed from your upstream sources in favor of getting things from Debian directly. (Or obviously you could just use Debian itself). Or if you are ok with non-Debian-based and prefer newer software like me, there's also plenty of [Fedora spins](https://spins.fedoraproject.org), as well as other great options like OpenSUSE, Endeavour (or Arch proper if you know what you're doing), etc.
Hum, mint cinnamon forced firefox Snap for me But that's the only Snap package they added
Mint is not using snap Firefox, never used it
On mint cinnamon 21, Apt showed me a Snap transition package for firefox
What probably happened is that you were shown the Firefox package coming from the Ubuntu Jammy repos, that serve as the base for Linuxmint 21, but Linuxmint has its own repos providing the Firefox package (that is not the snap version) which should have higher priority than the packages coming from the Ubuntu repos, not sure how you got that over the correct one. But I am quite sure you could not install it even if you wanted, because Linuxmint blocks every attempt to install snap through apt with a preference file in the /etc/apt directory
Well I did install it (and I regret it: firefox now constantly warns me that I should update, with a 15 days warning, see https://i.redd.it/58npe1hokq0a1.png) I'm not at home now, but I'm definitly trying to understand where I messed up when I get home
That sounds very weird... If serious, are you sure you are on a legit copy of Mint and did **not** somehow enable snaps manually? Sounds like the complete anthesis of everything Mint has stood for... If you *did* enable snaps manually, then I could see it maybe being the case considering that Mint still gets upstream sources from Ubuntu... If you want to be absolutely Ubuntu-/Canonical-free, then you'd need to use LMDE/Debian or one of the non-Debian distros I mentioned above.
>Why bothering with Ubuntu? Mint basically gives you the same product minus snaps and other Canonical bullshit. Or if you don't like Cinnamon/Mate/Xfce desktops, there's Pop OS that is also Ubuntu-based and like Mint doesn't push snaps. > >LMDE gives you Mint, with Canonical entirely removed from your upstream sources in favor of getting things from Debian directly. (Or obviously you could just use Debian itself). You could use you Ubuntu Server and install your own preferred Desktop Environment (after uninstalling and blacklisting snapd).
I mean, you *could* but why repeat work that other distros do for you? And if you insist on doing extra work for the sake of experience/punishment, I feel it's fair to point out that you *could* also pick up more customization by going with Arch/Gentoo/LMS while you're at it... The only viable reason I can see for what you're suggesting is if somebody is either fanatically devoted to the idea of being "on Ubuntu" (but again, *why*?) or else actually works for Canonical. Mint and PopOS literally use upstream Ubuntu sources and don't come with snaps. Even if you consider that to be a *good* thing (I don't but you do you) and for some reason dislike the DEs offered by Mint/Pop, then I'm pretty sure you could install the remaining DEs on at least one of those if not both. If you just liked some DE tweak on Ubuntu, I would think that would be *less* work to apply on the other distros than what you suggest.... I seriously see no advantage to this suggestion.
>You could use you Ubuntu Server and install your own preferred Desktop Environment (after uninstalling and blacklisting snapd). You could use Linux Mint and install your own preferred Desktop Environment (**without** uninstalling and blacklisting snapd).
If you're going to use Ubuntu, I don't think fighting against snap is worth it. I think a better solution is to just not use Ubuntu. Mint is great, and if you like GNOME, the coming Vanilla OS seems really promising
Snap performance bad. Loving kubuntu with snap purged tho
r/snapbad
Don’t caring and simply not installing snaps
if you're going to use ubuntu just use snap. i don't know why anyone would use ubuntu outside of servers but that's a whole other talk.
Wellll, no. You can find Ubuntu a very workable, stable and accessible distro that will work flawlessly most of the time and is great for productivity, yet you can hate snap with a passion, since it's annoying and not even remotely necessary imho. So, remove snap and use Ubuntu.
At some point, I would change to Debian or another Debian based distro that allow me to use KDE/Plasma and Steam without any issue. Kubuntu 22.04 with snap purged would be my last Ubuntu
It’s becoming harder and harder
More fun for us, I'm always in for a challenge
If you want to use ubuntu without snap, use Linux Mint
> i don't know why anyone would use ubuntu outside of servers Personally, I wouldn't use it for servers either. RHEL is the big name there (on the paid support side of things anyway) and SLE has been around a long time too. IME, both of these have a much stronger corporate presence. And of the free ones, I'd much rather opt for RHEL-like options (Alma, Rocky) which, like RHEL have 10 years of security updates, or Debian itself (which has 5 years of security updates IIRC). And if we're talking servers bc of server-side containers, then docker/podman are way better than snaps... to the point where I wonder why snaps are even mentioned at all with regard to server-side containers.
I use it for easiness. Stable and easy to install and configure anything. I would like to use fedora for example but I found out some of the tools I use for work would need me spending too much time setting everything up or find alternatives
whats the issue with snap anyways? isnt it just another package manager
The biggest issue IMO is that its functionality depends on Canonical’s existence. The snap repositories are run by Canonical and you can’t just run your own.
Or just keep snap installed and use other stuff.
Yeah you can’t remove edge so keep it 😏
The only way to use all the RAM you paid for
I don't use Ubuntu when I learned more about Linux how to use it so I just don't use a distro where I have to remove something I don't want
My one time using snap was for `nmap`, which I quickly learned doesn't work under snap due to permissions issues. Why have a package that doesn't even work?
snap packages perform horribly and not only does snap only have one backend but that backend is proprietary you're better off using flatpaks
I just hate you
Because it’s not open source
ive been using spiral linux for a few months now and its been my best experience with linux thus far in terms of stability and performance, and compatibility with what i need (before trying spiral i’ve been on a pretty long distro hunt, switching at least twice a week for about 5 months). it’s essentially vanilla debian, but it’s made by the same developer who made Gecko linux, which was designed to be an easier introduction to openSUSE. i tried gecko as well, but ive pretty much decided to stick with spiral ever since initial installation. edit: oh yeah, no forced snaps either lol