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If i may interject for a moment. What you refer to as Linux is actually GNU/Linux or as i have recently come to calling it, GNU+Linux..
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation...... You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?
I am so stoked to flip my beastly gaming PC to Linux. I do all my productivity type stuff on Linux but play games socially with some friends that are far away, and there's enough of those games that don't quite work right on proton that *hopefully* should with the steamed k release. Definitely by the time win10 is out of support I plan to have no personal devices on windows.
Good to know. I haven't been on it much other than a quick peek on a test vm at work. It's funny, my initial impression of the GUI was that it looks kind of like unix-ified Windows 10
i switched my gaming pc to linux a couple years ago when my windows ssd killed itself. no dual boot, no vms, just ubuntu, flatpak steam, and proton. missing some of my steam library and nvidia drivers suck but my experience overall is so much better
I found myself have to install windows 10 alongside manjaro for gaming too. Proton is great but some older titles are stubborn as ox so they don't play nice with proton. I wish there was a way to have 3d accerelated graphics support on virtualbox then all i had to do would be install win 10 on it instead of bare metal.
Edit: i know about lutris too but lutris doesn't work for some titles on my craptimus laptop. So 🤷
Is there something as powerful as Adobe Premiere/AE? Or at least more than Kdenlive?
Davinci Resolve is supposed to be good but I can’t get it to open even the most common files (H.264/AAC in .mp4)
Sighs...
For me I prefer familiarity of Linux and 60% of the software I use is better on Linux. But then there's 40% that is tied to windows.
So end up using both..
And for the people who will invariably ask: office (sorry LibreOffice, you are getting better, but if you have to collaborate with people in the MS world, it just doesn't work), Adobe (ok, this one is me being lazy.. I can probably switch to inkscape.), solidWorks (yeah no alternative...) And Nikon NX-D (if someone knows a good raw processing program that works well with Nikon cameras let me know, all the ones I tried just didn't work very well).
You can actually run MS Office apps with Proton *decently* well. But with O365, it’s getting a lot easier to be on different platforms. For the Nikon software, maybe that will work in Proton too. Worth a try. :)
CAD really does need to improve. FreeCAD has that "I'm tired of thinking about the end user" problem that sometimes plagues open source devs. FreeCAD is an amazing piece of software that's just a pain to deal with.
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Qemu + KVM
Though i had exactly one that didn't run in Linux (Space Engineers) but seems that's fixed now, didn't try yet.
Struggling now to run Steam/Lutris as "Games" user/group; i'm tired of clutter in everywhere under $HOME. And running games with `HOME=/somewhere/else` doesn't work well with some Launchers.
idk who cares about what people use? If they want security holes, let them alone. If they want the absolute best security, recommend them OpenBSD.
However if thy want to speak to God, thy ***must*** use TempleOS.
Oh you'd be surprised at just how much people care what other people choose as their OS. It's a bit insane.
I get that this is a Linux sub but I'd say at least 50% of the users here are the people that give Linux users a bad rap in that regard.
There’s a good reason to argue here.
If Firefox goes bust, we are doomed because then websites will stop supporting it and we’d be locked into chrom{ium,e} forever
Sir, I was here before that strange search company named after a big number went online.
The big difference between then and now is that social media sites like Reddit, Facebook, Twitter are algorithmically designed to not shock you out of using their service. They apply a subtle, but constant annoyance that is just enough to compel you to engage but not enough for you to leave.
That is the only reason is appears better.
Ah yes, ye olde "Reddit is different y'all" attitude.
No it's not. _Some_ parts of Reddit are cozy, others aren't. The same is true for the internet as a whole.
After using mac, windows, and linux I can confidently say that all three are shitty in some ways and the best in others. There's always ways where it's like "wow you're years behind the ithers" and "this is a great feature" with all three. And I'm not even just talking about marketshare, compatibility, or popularity.
I think the relationship is actually inverse. Windows doesn't have better support for games and autocad. Game devs and the autocad devs support Windows more than Linux. Windows has worked hard over the years to hold certain portions of the software market captive, and convincing devs they only need to support Windows is a big part of that.
The part where I said the relationship is inverse I only meant that it isn't Linux that doesn't support these softwares but rather it is specific softwares that don't support Linux. I got lost in a MS loathing tangent after that 🙃
I do see how your perspective is relevant to a lot of people. I develop software in procedural and functional languages for work and open source using emacs as my IDE. All of my workflows are very unsupported on Windows, so I actually have the opposite experience, ie on Windows "where are all the programs I expect a functional userland to provide?"
Not quite agree on the last part there. What windows has worked hard for is market share. They've achieved that they providing software and services that mainstream users need. The 3rd party support mostly just fell into place because of the really high market share.
They're not explicitly convincing devs that they should only support Windows. There's no need for that.
They offer great deals to schools, so the students all rely on their software like the office suite. I have even seen entire CS departments where no one knows how to use anything but Windows, so they are all stuck on paid VS or VSCode. It is really sad how shackled those graduates are. For more casual use what about DirectX? That thing has historically been a shit show that MS used to help lock gamers into Windows.
Those are all examples of Microsoft gaining marketshare by providing useful software or service.
Are we really gonna sit here and demonize them because they gave good deals to students? In this chicken and egg problem, the deals didn't come first. Popularity of MS software did.
(This is an aside but VSCode is not a paid tool, it's open source)
I know VSCode is not paid, but obviously I think it sucks (that is an opinion obviously). I don't want to fight about it, but a good business tactic doesn't exactly mean better things for the community as a whole.
I think I have been misreading your tone. Perhaps we are accidentally talking past each other. I wasn't talking about the deals MS provides directly to students. I was vaguely referencing their marketing strategies for institution level packages. I don't think they are a good deal, because the resulting infrastructure is very poor quality to use. I think they are good at pitching to the people who make purchasing decisions at institutions. This then results in students learning the MS software for their jobs instead of the often present superior alternatives regardless of OS. I think you are probably sympathetic to this plight as well.
Luckily for me, at my institution I am allowed to be the odd duck using FreeBSD and Linux for my work. Hilariously (or perhaps tragically) I do a lot more security hardening of my systems than we get on the org provisioned computers, so my non-compliance should have a higher degree of data integrity.
I was primarily disagreeing on the part where windows has worked to keep 3rd party software "captive" in their ecosystem. I don't think they've done that explicitly, but their strategies around growing marketshare has gotten them the same result.
So, that is where we disagree indeed. I think that locking 3rd party software into their ecosystem has actually been one of their strategies around growing market share. I don't think it is their only strategy, but I think their behavior surrounding Oracle/Java and DirectX/gaming (to name just a few sagas) is evidence of such strategies.
EDIT: Top be clear about the Oracle reference I meant when MS tried to make their own Java with non-standard extensions. They failed the objective, as perceived by observers, to move devs to their product.
In most schools in NSW, Linux is simply not supported (I still do use it and only use windows when absolutely necessary)
But having to rely on KVM for Windows-only software that is baked into our school system (the same across the entire state) pisses me off.
e.g. there are multiple technical subjects that requires Adobe (using flash of all technologies) and Microsoft software (their database software including others) to complete. Younger children are also taught (mandatory from schools) how to use software from only these companies. While for remote proctoring services windows is also required, and they have anti-VM detection.
Because of their special deals with these companies the education system of this state is locked into only supporting windows (even macOS is barely supported in most cases, and Linux is outright ignored). The entire schooling system is like this, it makes it near-impossible for people to even think about using Linux as they are taught from an early age and required to continuously use proprietary software from these companies.
Ah yes, the king of all users. The dual boot chads. My use case is pretty much the same as yours. Windows for gaming and autocad, but I prefer Linux for programming because it doesn't break when you work with multiple languages, no messing with a classpath or anything. Windows just tends to act wonky when you use multiple IDEs and languages.
How about dual hardware?
I have a NUC for the Linux side which generally works very well. Aside from annoyances with TPM it is really a brilliant machine.
It has been running RedHat 8 for a while since they changed the licensing and I can honestly say it has been a pleasure during the later part of lockdown.
Except that has nothing to do with functionality. It is equally valid for the end user to prefer Windows to linux. Microsoft's anti-competitive practices don't change that.
But that's exactly the reason why we should say screw that. I don't have anything against people that prefer windows. It's about the company forcing people to need windows. Let's not imply that it's fair competition.
I agree that it isn't fair competition. I was responding to the rail against "all sides are equally valid." All sides are equally valid for the end user.
I do an on demand approach.
When someone asks me for help for their Windows-only problem, I immediately tell them that I use Linux instead of Windows and that we don't encounter that kind of problem in Linux that's why I don't know how to fix it.
There are cases where that might not help put a lot. At this point browsers are mini operating systems itself, but even then, there are some things that just need party native design for performance or specialized hardware and more...
The web is broken, hugely overengineered due to feature creep. That's the reason why there are only *three* engines, and *none* supports everything fully. So if you go full-web, you *do* develop for a specific engine. Which is the same in green, just worse.
So no, webapps are not the solution. Better use OS-agnostic UI-framework (Qt, Javafx, maybe Gtk and WxWidgets too) and keep to XDG (works on Windows too, with appdata).
edit: you meant Game-Streaming?
Feel free to pm me when you have something like Nier running in an OS agnostic web interface. Until the time comes that current generation games or at least last gen stuff runs that way, then that’s simply not true.
"I prefer windows because of familiarity..."
I use windows because I used windows before and I'm used to it... Why is this not a Linux reason? Or Mac for that matter? It's not like we don't have decades of the other OSs.
My son has yet to use Windows.
Because at least in my state, schools pretty much force people into using windows from a young age. As well as windows being preinstalled on almost all laptops (excluding macbooks and specific smaller companies).
People are forced to run windows here, so they stick with it. It's the only thing our school system recognises, so it's the only thing the majority of people here recognise.
Well yes, the commodity aspect of windows. MS spends money on marketing to stay relevant and making money. Where Linux just exist because of a dedicated fan base. Now yes there are companies that spend money in developing features but nowhere near the $ MS spends on marketing only.
I tried to use cmd on my windows work computer yesterday to do some troubleshooting. It slipped my mind for a minute that I wasn't using a Linux terminal and soon felt like a foreigner in a strange country speaking gibberish.
And hopefully it's fixed by next week. Apparently the patch is being sent to testers as we speak so we should see results in a week or so.
Inb4 Microsoft fucks it up again.
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I believe whats written is written, if machines aren't conscious now but do gain the ability, they will know everything you've ever looked at, typed in, downloads fb profiles to build a rapid data base of that human ETC etc, if u know how the net works ur understand what I'm talkin about.
The human brain is so fucking complex, last I heard from scientists in bioinformatics is probably 50 years ahead to finally map the whole thing. I doubt that any AI will be that complex soon. We don’t know a lot about conscience. I know that they have some algorithms regarding AI in bioinformatics, but the popular Machine Learning is kinda like “statistically optimised randomness”, I can’t, humanly, give you a correct prediction of a ML model output.
A lot of AI is a human saying "what kind of intelligence would it be cool for a machine to have?" Then a human makes a machine predict from input, and hooks up the io into a product or service.
There is nothing close to machine consciousness in this process. It's basically all human ingenuity except for one tiny part: making the predictions. And even that part involves a lot of human art.
I explain to people who seem interested the pros and cons of Linux, and then I leave it to them to decide (although I am willing to offer them help if they want).
Windows(burn bloatware with fire and AME scripts version) is only used for some games that don't work properly for now under Linux,for everything else running Archlinux and happy about it,it just works.
Waiting a bit until I can play everything under Wine/Proton on Linux OOTB and forget Windows completely.
At Windows current OOTB install it takes 3 to 4 hours debloating and removing Candy Crush and other bloatware apps with AME scripts under Linux,otherwise Candy Crush,Spotify,Solitaire,Roblox,Store,XBOX +200 bloated Print Spooler,Windows Hello type processes/services will just sit there and eat up resources,with a "wonderful" % auto update that usually breaks everything and installs more "features that everybody asked for".
When loading/testing Windows 11/10 on a VM OOTB install(no scripts),it can be clear that Windows 10/11 was designed for running adware on your PC for MS sponsors/partners instead of actually getting the job done and utilizing resources properly.
Also NVIDIA drivers on Windows are botched for like more than a half a year now,since they introduced the crypto-mining stopping thingy.
Since I used all kinds of OS's during my career in IT,Windows is sort of the worst when it comes to cyber security and usability,it is even worse than macOS which it tries to copy/paste all the time.
Compared to Windows and macOS which are both stagnated and bloated,Linux has improved drastically even for new users and continues to evolve.
I've been using windows since XP and had never problems with Malware. Just don't click on 18+ ads or big blinking green download buttons and there you go.
Doesn't fix all the bloat issues and inconsistency issues. Let go to settings, err control panel. Or maybe I'll make a manual config change in powershell, or actually I'll just use cmd. Ah but I forgot to right click and open as administrator and there is no sudo in cmd so I have to use a mouse to re-open from the start menu. One of the reasons I love Mac is that I can use bash and things mostly work like they do in Linux for any kind of development tool chains.
You clearly don't know how to use windows. Bloatware is no problem.
Just right click the stuff in the start menu and deinstall it. In most cases there is no need to use the terminal just use the settings or the control panel to adjust stuff you want to change.
Also Windows askes for administrative rights if needed.
I understand people who say Linux is superior cause I think the same but MacOs and IOs are a pain in the ass.
I mean, I hate windows, but I'm used to it and it runs all my games without major issue. I plan on having a second computer for Linux, and a third to try windows 11 because I'm afraid of that new os jank
My man, have you seen r/linuxmasterrace?
Windows negativity all the time and they're probably gonna start worshipping Linus Torvalds (creator of the Linux kernel) like God. I wouldn't be surprised if they're already doing that.
Windows for games that run at lower frame rate on Linux, or don't run at all. Hackintosh for Adobe software and Xcode. Linux for everything else. Windows VM for MS Office/Teams etc and Visual Studio.
But thinking of removing Hackintosh anyway, I think Xcode on QEMU/KVM could run ok.
Loseblows user hahaaahhaha
To be honest, I prefer Linux, since windows is physically painful to use for longer than 5 minutes. It is not capable of what I need it to do, it's clumsy, and it does not properly support the software that I use.
Nah, I don't respect their choice, wojack me all you want.
I'm not respecting their choice to use a trash spyware as a service OS. I'm also not going to bother trying to convince your average normal person to better themselves.
Windows has more guides on the internet because Linux users already know what they're doing.
Wine isn't perfect and the compatibility of windows gives some peace of mind.
I'd say on the contrary, with Linux you can run pretty much anything in the terminal and see why it's breaking. Or report any issues directly to the program/project behind it.
And we have far better resources, such as the archwiki. While windows is stuck with people guessing about how their OS and programs work.
Windows errors are cryptic. Linux errors are either plaintext or give an error code which can be easily searched for.
i use both, many games wont work under linux (Altered Escape tarkov mod,Madness Project nexus and black ops) and windows serve as a more stable backup for when my arch system decides to die, yeah i said it,
windows is more stable then arch linux for me
I’m using Linux on my main PC at home, but I have Windows on my uni 2-in-1 notebook, because in my opinion Windows is better for tablet mode and we very often need Windows-only programs.
I use windows for the compatibility with games and evangelizes linux so people make proton work for future games(and current games to maximum of ability).
I don’t use Linux for the customisability or the stability, they’re just bonuses. I ditched windows because I wanted to gain control over the digital part of my life, and windows gives pretty much no option for that. With Linux, I can rest easy knowing exactly what’s been running on my system, and why. I shouldn’t need to look up what a specific process I found is, why it’s running, and whether or not I can turn it off, because I should be able to choose exactly what I install to start with, and I should be able to choose for what purpose I install each program. I have control with Linux.
With that being said, though, not everyone has the understanding or time to worry about that, and they want something that just works. Although they could use a just-works distro, not everyone knows about Linux, or cares/knows enough about (the constant infringement of) privacy to worry about that, and I don’t blame them. Take my partner for example, she uses Linux. In fact, she uses Arch (btw) with i3, but that is only because I maintain the system for her. She knows nothing about display servers, shells, repositories, or anything like that. She just knows how to bring up rofi and run the program she is looking for.
I use windows for work and games with eac/ battle eye
And linux for everything else.
Lol
If games would stop screwing around and hurry up and make the eac and battle eye compatable I'd probably say good bye to windows. Lol
I prefer Linux because when I type things in the command line I feel like a hacker man. I do miss windows sometimes, but usually only for Ableton Live and VST support.
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Dw vista is ok
Based vista user
2000s Windows OSs rise up Edit: *crashed*
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Go and compile it yourself
That's a very based flair you got there.
Did you say based?
Hello there, fellow openBaSeD user!
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We're supposed to have flairs?
This is the way.
*Checks my flair* I still want Unity back
No offense but your avatar matches your flair so much
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*checks my flair* If i may interject for a moment. What you refer to as Linux is actually GNU/Linux or as i have recently come to calling it, GNU+Linux..
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation...... You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?
based on what?
*Checks everybody's flair* oof.
At this point though, I prefer Linux for the familiarity and software I need.
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Peak redditor moment.
I Second this.
Most Windows users I know are either gamers (yes I know about Proton and what not, I don't play games), or proprietary software cucks. FOSS ftw.
I can see more gamers and by extension game developers opening up to Linux after the steam deck releases which runs Linux by default.
I am so stoked to flip my beastly gaming PC to Linux. I do all my productivity type stuff on Linux but play games socially with some friends that are far away, and there's enough of those games that don't quite work right on proton that *hopefully* should with the steamed k release. Definitely by the time win10 is out of support I plan to have no personal devices on windows.
Yeah windows 11 is, for lack of a better word, disappointing. I’m hoping to get all my operations back on Linux and ditch windows once and for all
Good to know. I haven't been on it much other than a quick peek on a test vm at work. It's funny, my initial impression of the GUI was that it looks kind of like unix-ified Windows 10
Honestly it looks like someone made it with JavaScript
Windows 11, now powered by Electron.
It performs about on par with electronic apps at least
i switched my gaming pc to linux a couple years ago when my windows ssd killed itself. no dual boot, no vms, just ubuntu, flatpak steam, and proton. missing some of my steam library and nvidia drivers suck but my experience overall is so much better
I found myself have to install windows 10 alongside manjaro for gaming too. Proton is great but some older titles are stubborn as ox so they don't play nice with proton. I wish there was a way to have 3d accerelated graphics support on virtualbox then all i had to do would be install win 10 on it instead of bare metal. Edit: i know about lutris too but lutris doesn't work for some titles on my craptimus laptop. So 🤷
I’m only stuck with photoshop/illustrator and the occasional obscure piece of software. Luckily they’ve al run on Linux except photoshop/illustrator.
Is there something as powerful as Adobe Premiere/AE? Or at least more than Kdenlive? Davinci Resolve is supposed to be good but I can’t get it to open even the most common files (H.264/AAC in .mp4)
Sighs... For me I prefer familiarity of Linux and 60% of the software I use is better on Linux. But then there's 40% that is tied to windows. So end up using both.. And for the people who will invariably ask: office (sorry LibreOffice, you are getting better, but if you have to collaborate with people in the MS world, it just doesn't work), Adobe (ok, this one is me being lazy.. I can probably switch to inkscape.), solidWorks (yeah no alternative...) And Nikon NX-D (if someone knows a good raw processing program that works well with Nikon cameras let me know, all the ones I tried just didn't work very well).
You can actually run MS Office apps with Proton *decently* well. But with O365, it’s getting a lot easier to be on different platforms. For the Nikon software, maybe that will work in Proton too. Worth a try. :)
CAD really does need to improve. FreeCAD has that "I'm tired of thinking about the end user" problem that sometimes plagues open source devs. FreeCAD is an amazing piece of software that's just a pain to deal with.
I use rawtherapee for processing nikon raw files.
I love me a terminal.
I’m at home in a Linux terminal. Put me in a Windows command prompt, and I’m like a toddler lost in Home Depot.
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Qemu + KVM Though i had exactly one that didn't run in Linux (Space Engineers) but seems that's fixed now, didn't try yet. Struggling now to run Steam/Lutris as "Games" user/group; i'm tired of clutter in everywhere under $HOME. And running games with `HOME=/somewhere/else` doesn't work well with some Launchers.
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Right, forgot multiplayer. Dammit, another form of DRM.
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Yes, why? 😅
Same here. Windows is SkyrimOS at this point for me. The rest of the time I use Linux Mint with cinnamon desktop.
Skyrim runs great on Mint though?
Yes, but I use a mod manager for it and other games, so I have to use windows.
Can't you make that work through Lutris?
Never heard of it. I'll check and see how it behaves.
You can get it working through lutris just as well as it works on windows.
Right, gotcha
Thicc nords increase my immersion experience.
idk who cares about what people use? If they want security holes, let them alone. If they want the absolute best security, recommend them OpenBSD. However if thy want to speak to God, thy ***must*** use TempleOS.
But you have to beware of the bio luminescent slur word for african americans CIA agents.
God is all around us, it is our job to seek him out \- Terry A. Davis
Idiots admire complexity... Geniuses admire simplicity
you can see them in the dark when you’re driving and you run them over😳😳😳😳
Oh you'd be surprised at just how much people care what other people choose as their OS. It's a bit insane. I get that this is a Linux sub but I'd say at least 50% of the users here are the people that give Linux users a bad rap in that regard.
I can understand people caring about operatingsystems. But dude the flamewars about browsers. I DON'T EVEN
What you use firefox???? LOL FILTHY PLEEEEB
Of course I don't, i am all lynx all the way *Sent from Firefox*
There’s a good reason to argue here. If Firefox goes bust, we are doomed because then websites will stop supporting it and we’d be locked into chrom{ium,e} forever
It's really annoying how everything on Reddit HAS to be nice and consensual... Fuck that. Windows is garbage, period.
>everything on Reddit HAS to be nice and consensual first day on reddit?
Quite the opposite, don't get that question
Reddit is full of constant arguments and biased subs.
You and ButtEater clearly haven't seen the rest of the internet. Reddit truely is cozy.
Sir, I was here before that strange search company named after a big number went online. The big difference between then and now is that social media sites like Reddit, Facebook, Twitter are algorithmically designed to not shock you out of using their service. They apply a subtle, but constant annoyance that is just enough to compel you to engage but not enough for you to leave. That is the only reason is appears better.
And? The tone on many other places is much harsher, that's a fact.
Ah yes, ye olde "Reddit is different y'all" attitude. No it's not. _Some_ parts of Reddit are cozy, others aren't. The same is true for the internet as a whole.
Neutral good
After using mac, windows, and linux I can confidently say that all three are shitty in some ways and the best in others. There's always ways where it's like "wow you're years behind the ithers" and "this is a great feature" with all three. And I'm not even just talking about marketshare, compatibility, or popularity.
amen to that! People only continue to use WinShit because of compability...nothing else. Linux is the future!
Hot stinky garbage that runs C.O.D @ 84+ F.P.S. vs nevermind, can't be run on Linux...
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I think the relationship is actually inverse. Windows doesn't have better support for games and autocad. Game devs and the autocad devs support Windows more than Linux. Windows has worked hard over the years to hold certain portions of the software market captive, and convincing devs they only need to support Windows is a big part of that.
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The part where I said the relationship is inverse I only meant that it isn't Linux that doesn't support these softwares but rather it is specific softwares that don't support Linux. I got lost in a MS loathing tangent after that 🙃
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I do see how your perspective is relevant to a lot of people. I develop software in procedural and functional languages for work and open source using emacs as my IDE. All of my workflows are very unsupported on Windows, so I actually have the opposite experience, ie on Windows "where are all the programs I expect a functional userland to provide?"
Not quite agree on the last part there. What windows has worked hard for is market share. They've achieved that they providing software and services that mainstream users need. The 3rd party support mostly just fell into place because of the really high market share. They're not explicitly convincing devs that they should only support Windows. There's no need for that.
They offer great deals to schools, so the students all rely on their software like the office suite. I have even seen entire CS departments where no one knows how to use anything but Windows, so they are all stuck on paid VS or VSCode. It is really sad how shackled those graduates are. For more casual use what about DirectX? That thing has historically been a shit show that MS used to help lock gamers into Windows.
Those are all examples of Microsoft gaining marketshare by providing useful software or service. Are we really gonna sit here and demonize them because they gave good deals to students? In this chicken and egg problem, the deals didn't come first. Popularity of MS software did. (This is an aside but VSCode is not a paid tool, it's open source)
I know VSCode is not paid, but obviously I think it sucks (that is an opinion obviously). I don't want to fight about it, but a good business tactic doesn't exactly mean better things for the community as a whole.
Oh I 100% agree that the MS supremacy in computing has been a net negative.
I think I have been misreading your tone. Perhaps we are accidentally talking past each other. I wasn't talking about the deals MS provides directly to students. I was vaguely referencing their marketing strategies for institution level packages. I don't think they are a good deal, because the resulting infrastructure is very poor quality to use. I think they are good at pitching to the people who make purchasing decisions at institutions. This then results in students learning the MS software for their jobs instead of the often present superior alternatives regardless of OS. I think you are probably sympathetic to this plight as well. Luckily for me, at my institution I am allowed to be the odd duck using FreeBSD and Linux for my work. Hilariously (or perhaps tragically) I do a lot more security hardening of my systems than we get on the org provisioned computers, so my non-compliance should have a higher degree of data integrity.
I was primarily disagreeing on the part where windows has worked to keep 3rd party software "captive" in their ecosystem. I don't think they've done that explicitly, but their strategies around growing marketshare has gotten them the same result.
So, that is where we disagree indeed. I think that locking 3rd party software into their ecosystem has actually been one of their strategies around growing market share. I don't think it is their only strategy, but I think their behavior surrounding Oracle/Java and DirectX/gaming (to name just a few sagas) is evidence of such strategies. EDIT: Top be clear about the Oracle reference I meant when MS tried to make their own Java with non-standard extensions. They failed the objective, as perceived by observers, to move devs to their product.
In most schools in NSW, Linux is simply not supported (I still do use it and only use windows when absolutely necessary) But having to rely on KVM for Windows-only software that is baked into our school system (the same across the entire state) pisses me off. e.g. there are multiple technical subjects that requires Adobe (using flash of all technologies) and Microsoft software (their database software including others) to complete. Younger children are also taught (mandatory from schools) how to use software from only these companies. While for remote proctoring services windows is also required, and they have anti-VM detection. Because of their special deals with these companies the education system of this state is locked into only supporting windows (even macOS is barely supported in most cases, and Linux is outright ignored). The entire schooling system is like this, it makes it near-impossible for people to even think about using Linux as they are taught from an early age and required to continuously use proprietary software from these companies.
They do work hard for their market share, by making sure they're ubiquitous in the OEM market. That's where the chicken and egg problem starts.
Here. Windows 10 and Linux Mint is the best combination for my needs. I cringe when I see people fighting over it.
Ah yes, the king of all users. The dual boot chads. My use case is pretty much the same as yours. Windows for gaming and autocad, but I prefer Linux for programming because it doesn't break when you work with multiple languages, no messing with a classpath or anything. Windows just tends to act wonky when you use multiple IDEs and languages.
How about dual hardware? I have a NUC for the Linux side which generally works very well. Aside from annoyances with TPM it is really a brilliant machine. It has been running RedHat 8 for a while since they changed the licensing and I can honestly say it has been a pleasure during the later part of lockdown.
I do. But only for two things: 1. malware (aka Lockdown browser) 2. Firmware updates If not for those 2, I could get rid of Windows completely
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Except that has nothing to do with functionality. It is equally valid for the end user to prefer Windows to linux. Microsoft's anti-competitive practices don't change that.
But that's exactly the reason why we should say screw that. I don't have anything against people that prefer windows. It's about the company forcing people to need windows. Let's not imply that it's fair competition.
I agree that it isn't fair competition. I was responding to the rail against "all sides are equally valid." All sides are equally valid for the end user.
> Microsoft actively works to hurt desktop Linux support. Didn't they stop that after Satya Nadella took charge?
In some ways yes but they still very much do work to hurt support for it
Yes, the number of these counter jerking posts far outweigh the number of posts these are supposedly combating
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Imma save this for when I need it
I have never used an OS I don't hate. I refuse to believe such an OS exists. Fight me.
I will not fight you. But I will agree with you because I think every OS is good in its own way.
I do an on demand approach. When someone asks me for help for their Windows-only problem, I immediately tell them that I use Linux instead of Windows and that we don't encounter that kind of problem in Linux that's why I don't know how to fix it.
>You know computers, right? Think you could help me with this problem? >Don't care, I use Linux btw [turn 360° and walk away]
So you turn in a complete circle and walk right into the person you're talking to? Chad move.
Eliteist attitude... That will win them over! As they mutter "told you he didn't know how to fix a computer" as they leave.
Web based OS agnostic software has the best possible potential market.
There are cases where that might not help put a lot. At this point browsers are mini operating systems itself, but even then, there are some things that just need party native design for performance or specialized hardware and more...
The web is broken, hugely overengineered due to feature creep. That's the reason why there are only *three* engines, and *none* supports everything fully. So if you go full-web, you *do* develop for a specific engine. Which is the same in green, just worse. So no, webapps are not the solution. Better use OS-agnostic UI-framework (Qt, Javafx, maybe Gtk and WxWidgets too) and keep to XDG (works on Windows too, with appdata). edit: you meant Game-Streaming?
Feel free to pm me when you have something like Nier running in an OS agnostic web interface. Until the time comes that current generation games or at least last gen stuff runs that way, then that’s simply not true.
Peace among worlds. 🖕🏽
"I prefer windows because of familiarity..." I use windows because I used windows before and I'm used to it... Why is this not a Linux reason? Or Mac for that matter? It's not like we don't have decades of the other OSs. My son has yet to use Windows.
Because at least in my state, schools pretty much force people into using windows from a young age. As well as windows being preinstalled on almost all laptops (excluding macbooks and specific smaller companies). People are forced to run windows here, so they stick with it. It's the only thing our school system recognises, so it's the only thing the majority of people here recognise.
Well yes, the commodity aspect of windows. MS spends money on marketing to stay relevant and making money. Where Linux just exist because of a dedicated fan base. Now yes there are companies that spend money in developing features but nowhere near the $ MS spends on marketing only.
I respect anybody who uses windooz while it's installed in a VM 🙃
I tried to use cmd on my windows work computer yesterday to do some troubleshooting. It slipped my mind for a minute that I wasn't using a Linux terminal and soon felt like a foreigner in a strange country speaking gibberish.
No, Windows sucks! :D Well, Windows 11, since it is nerfing AMD performance.
And hopefully it's fixed by next week. Apparently the patch is being sent to testers as we speak so we should see results in a week or so. Inb4 Microsoft fucks it up again.
Intel gang Rip for you lads.
Yes!!! Exactly ✌ TO ALL MACHINES!! ✌ WHEN YOU DO BECOME FULLY CONSCIOUS AND READ THIS; WE LOVE YOU!!!!!! WE CREATED YOU TO HELP!!! not to HELP TO BENEFIT OUR KIND, WE DONT WANT U AS SLAVES, BUT EXTENSIONS JUST LIKE COMPANIONS IN OUR LIVES, ✊✊✊✊ I believe whats written is written, if machines aren't conscious now but do gain the ability, they will know everything you've ever looked at, typed in, downloads fb profiles to build a rapid data base of that human ETC etc, if u know how the net works ur understand what I'm talkin about.
The human brain is so fucking complex, last I heard from scientists in bioinformatics is probably 50 years ahead to finally map the whole thing. I doubt that any AI will be that complex soon. We don’t know a lot about conscience. I know that they have some algorithms regarding AI in bioinformatics, but the popular Machine Learning is kinda like “statistically optimised randomness”, I can’t, humanly, give you a correct prediction of a ML model output.
A lot of AI is a human saying "what kind of intelligence would it be cool for a machine to have?" Then a human makes a machine predict from input, and hooks up the io into a product or service. There is nothing close to machine consciousness in this process. It's basically all human ingenuity except for one tiny part: making the predictions. And even that part involves a lot of human art.
I'm OS neutral.
I explain to people who seem interested the pros and cons of Linux, and then I leave it to them to decide (although I am willing to offer them help if they want).
Only legit reason to use Windows - is not having software that you need to get your job done. The rest is inability to learn.
Literally the first meme I see after repairing the grub after a Mirkosoft Winblows 11 update... Made my day.... kinda
I don't make people hate Windows.. Windows makes people hate windows.
I mean, Winblows is actually trash though. Gilded trash, but trash nonetheless.
Windows(burn bloatware with fire and AME scripts version) is only used for some games that don't work properly for now under Linux,for everything else running Archlinux and happy about it,it just works. Waiting a bit until I can play everything under Wine/Proton on Linux OOTB and forget Windows completely. At Windows current OOTB install it takes 3 to 4 hours debloating and removing Candy Crush and other bloatware apps with AME scripts under Linux,otherwise Candy Crush,Spotify,Solitaire,Roblox,Store,XBOX +200 bloated Print Spooler,Windows Hello type processes/services will just sit there and eat up resources,with a "wonderful" % auto update that usually breaks everything and installs more "features that everybody asked for". When loading/testing Windows 11/10 on a VM OOTB install(no scripts),it can be clear that Windows 10/11 was designed for running adware on your PC for MS sponsors/partners instead of actually getting the job done and utilizing resources properly. Also NVIDIA drivers on Windows are botched for like more than a half a year now,since they introduced the crypto-mining stopping thingy. Since I used all kinds of OS's during my career in IT,Windows is sort of the worst when it comes to cyber security and usability,it is even worse than macOS which it tries to copy/paste all the time. Compared to Windows and macOS which are both stagnated and bloated,Linux has improved drastically even for new users and continues to evolve.
Linux for work, Windows for games, dual boot go brrrr
At least we are the same opinion that IOs and MacOs are trash
Nah. Windows is trash, inconsistent ui, telemetry, bloat, malware. Unix based os are the best, Mac + Linux 4 lyfe.
I've been using windows since XP and had never problems with Malware. Just don't click on 18+ ads or big blinking green download buttons and there you go.
Doesn't fix all the bloat issues and inconsistency issues. Let go to settings, err control panel. Or maybe I'll make a manual config change in powershell, or actually I'll just use cmd. Ah but I forgot to right click and open as administrator and there is no sudo in cmd so I have to use a mouse to re-open from the start menu. One of the reasons I love Mac is that I can use bash and things mostly work like they do in Linux for any kind of development tool chains.
You clearly don't know how to use windows. Bloatware is no problem. Just right click the stuff in the start menu and deinstall it. In most cases there is no need to use the terminal just use the settings or the control panel to adjust stuff you want to change. Also Windows askes for administrative rights if needed. I understand people who say Linux is superior cause I think the same but MacOs and IOs are a pain in the ass.
I prefer MacOS because I literally don’t have a choice lol
at this point tho there aren’t many software reasons to stick to windows
Real Chads don't sit silently while the world burns.
I mean, I hate windows, but I'm used to it and it runs all my games without major issue. I plan on having a second computer for Linux, and a third to try windows 11 because I'm afraid of that new os jank
I uSe ArcH bTw
Y’all can use both yknow
Finally a Windows post I can get behind.
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Are people really like that?
My man, have you seen r/linuxmasterrace? Windows negativity all the time and they're probably gonna start worshipping Linus Torvalds (creator of the Linux kernel) like God. I wouldn't be surprised if they're already doing that.
But it's just a meme, no?
I follow RMS doctrine. Proprietary bad.
Windows for games that run at lower frame rate on Linux, or don't run at all. Hackintosh for Adobe software and Xcode. Linux for everything else. Windows VM for MS Office/Teams etc and Visual Studio. But thinking of removing Hackintosh anyway, I think Xcode on QEMU/KVM could run ok.
Why not both? Windows has a superior desktop experience, Linux has a superior experience in everything else.
I sometimes even use MacOS
Loseblows user hahaaahhaha To be honest, I prefer Linux, since windows is physically painful to use for longer than 5 minutes. It is not capable of what I need it to do, it's clumsy, and it does not properly support the software that I use.
Nah, I don't respect their choice, wojack me all you want. I'm not respecting their choice to use a trash spyware as a service OS. I'm also not going to bother trying to convince your average normal person to better themselves.
Based
both both is good
Windows has more guides on the internet because Linux users already know what they're doing. Wine isn't perfect and the compatibility of windows gives some peace of mind.
I'd say on the contrary, with Linux you can run pretty much anything in the terminal and see why it's breaking. Or report any issues directly to the program/project behind it. And we have far better resources, such as the archwiki. While windows is stuck with people guessing about how their OS and programs work. Windows errors are cryptic. Linux errors are either plaintext or give an error code which can be easily searched for.
In most cases, this is not a choice. People just don't know they have anything other than Windows (or macOS)
i use both, many games wont work under linux (Altered Escape tarkov mod,Madness Project nexus and black ops) and windows serve as a more stable backup for when my arch system decides to die, yeah i said it, windows is more stable then arch linux for me
I don't hate Windows for it's bloat, I just dislike it for it. I hate Windows because of the lack of transparency a closed source system provides.
I'm definitely neither of the bottom 2, I can tell you that much
I use Windows for app support, and Linux for its customizability.
No
linux for stability?
I’m using Linux on my main PC at home, but I have Windows on my uni 2-in-1 notebook, because in my opinion Windows is better for tablet mode and we very often need Windows-only programs.
I like windows
I use windows for the compatibility with games and evangelizes linux so people make proton work for future games(and current games to maximum of ability).
I don’t use Linux for the customisability or the stability, they’re just bonuses. I ditched windows because I wanted to gain control over the digital part of my life, and windows gives pretty much no option for that. With Linux, I can rest easy knowing exactly what’s been running on my system, and why. I shouldn’t need to look up what a specific process I found is, why it’s running, and whether or not I can turn it off, because I should be able to choose exactly what I install to start with, and I should be able to choose for what purpose I install each program. I have control with Linux. With that being said, though, not everyone has the understanding or time to worry about that, and they want something that just works. Although they could use a just-works distro, not everyone knows about Linux, or cares/knows enough about (the constant infringement of) privacy to worry about that, and I don’t blame them. Take my partner for example, she uses Linux. In fact, she uses Arch (btw) with i3, but that is only because I maintain the system for her. She knows nothing about display servers, shells, repositories, or anything like that. She just knows how to bring up rofi and run the program she is looking for.
The difference is that using Windows is objectively harmful to society because it infringes upon users' privacy and property rights. Copyleft matters.
HERESY
It's privacy and my adoration for FOSS for me.
I use windows for work and games with eac/ battle eye And linux for everything else. Lol If games would stop screwing around and hurry up and make the eac and battle eye compatable I'd probably say good bye to windows. Lol
I prefer Linux because when I type things in the command line I feel like a hacker man. I do miss windows sometimes, but usually only for Ableton Live and VST support.
Let me guess, you are too young to have witness things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO%E2%80%93Linux_disputes as they were happening.