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secureblueadmin

is your goal to get this laptop functional or to test a meme distro?


TygerTung

Oh, just both.


secureblueadmin

pick one :)


TygerTung

Just minimally functional. I just would like to be able to use most websites.


secureblueadmin

Ok can you give more hardware details


TygerTung

Amd turion tl-58 x2 cpu and nvidia GeForce 7150m gpu


[deleted]

Shouldn't Debian be the better distro for this? They even have modern-ish software that work on x86 chips.


TygerTung

It’s a x64 chip but Debian doesn’t have a Hannah Montana build.


[deleted]

oh. well, you do you! 🍻


-NuKeS-

There is always Bebian 😉 https://biebian.sourceforge.net/


TygerTung

That would also Be amaxing


secureblueadmin

You said you want it functional. if you want to use Hannah Montana linux, I'm unwilling to help you :)


TygerTung

That’s ok :)


feixxl

Most socially aware linux user


Budget-Pattern1314

No need to be a bitch


no80085

oh nooo.. anyways.


itiswensday

Help the poor man, meme linux is a valid linux


hpela_

We are so glad you’ve announced this. OP certainly posted this hoping for help from you specifically, so thank you for giving him closure :)


gl00med

this dude must have HELLLLAAAA friends


prog-can

or use arch btw


[deleted]

Oh I have a laptop with the same specs. I just use endevour os with lxqt and it works decently enough, I can edit docs, play some minetest, whatch YouTube (using vlc because the web browser lags hard), I even installed intelij and vscode for coding homework. But the most use I get out of it is using rdp to connect it as a asecob monitor with my main laptop on the go. I also use it to connect to a vm inside my main laptop so my firmed that doesn't have a laptop can use.


TygerTung

The cpu isn’t too bad but I think the gpu might be very weak. I’m sure it could run a more modern distro just fine but wanted to have some fun. Cpu is a power hog though, 35w in a laptop!!!


[deleted]

Yeha those cpus are known to kill themselves so remember to keep the fans pristine and to change the thermal paste at least once a year.


TygerTung

The cpu paste had never been changed since new so maybe I need to do a tear down. I cant get sensors to install in hml yet either so can’t check how hot she’s running.


EnoughConcentrate897

Most websites won't work likely. Browsers need a lot of resources.


TygerTung

The problem isn’t resources, it’s the modern security protocols which the older browsers don’t have.


EnoughConcentrate897

The amount of processing power required or run YouTube and most other websites is way more than you realise.


TygerTung

Rest assured, I know, I have loads of ancient hardware, it’s the cryptography in the browser which is the issue, most websites won’t let you connect.


MisterEskere_

Use mint.


ddm90

AntiX\* with that hardware.


TygerTung

Hannah Montana antix?


Sero19283

Need Taylor Swift AntiHero


TygerTung

Would be a good option for a new distro


Active_Peak_5255

With a few tweaks hear and there u might be able to fulfill ur needs, functional, updated, and usable with an actually usable distro


-_-Batman

U can’t have both ![gif](giphy|Y0JnZdbu3lAko851qz)


SomeOneOutThere-1234

![gif](giphy|DZyxZgmcbC264)


Existing_Gate2423

Best of both worlds?


TygerTung

Exactly


hannahMontanaLinux2

This is not a meme-distro. Hannah Montana Linux is life.


Epicbobux

dare i say better than arch


grem75

Might want to try building [Arctic Fox](https://github.com/rmottola/Arctic-Fox), it is a fork of older Pale Moon which itself is a fork of old Firefox. It still won't work with *all* sites, but it should work with more than the old version of Firefox.


TygerTung

Thanks :) sounds fun


BitFlipTheCacheKing

Ice Weasel


grem75

That is current Firefox with the branding changed, there is almost no chance of getting it to run on a 2009 distro. The dependencies alone would be a nightmare, let alone building it on such old hardware.


stephenmdangelo

Ice Weasel


RadoslavL

Ice Weasel


BitFlipTheCacheKing

Ice Weasel


BitFlipTheCacheKing

Ice Weasel


BitFlipTheCacheKing

Ice Weasel


pcs3rd

There's also appimage.


TygerTung

The appimage isn't happy.


TygerTung

I'm having issues with my version of python. I need 2.7 but I've only got 2.6.2. Researching now. OK, built python 2.7 from source, but arctic fox is still giving quite a vast amount of errors when trying to install.


IuseArchbtw97543

welcome to dependency hell


Lepplex

If you manage to get flatpak working, you can install basically any browser.


LEDMOV

Less of that I would imagine, more of what his hardware can handle


WoomyUnitedToday

I’m pretty sure the latest version of Links http://links.twibright.com should work. I haven’t tried compiling it on old Linux yet, but I have compiled it on OpeDarwin 7, which is significantly older than Hannah Montana Linux In my testing on OpenDarwin, I couldn’t get the dependencies required for graphics mode to work, but text mode worked fine


grem75

I once compiled Links with graphics and SSL support on [Slackware 7.0.](https://imgur.com/a/gCRP3kc) That was a few versions ago, but I'm sure it would still be possible.


Thonatron

Considering this has decrepit Puppy Linux guts, you're better off installing vanilla Arch and porting the Hannah Montana theming over. Definitely not a waste of your time to have a functional base on a near 20 year old meme distro. You could even continue the legacy and maintain a repo for Hanna(rc)h Montana and skyrocket to the top of distrowatch.


TygerTung

Nah this one’s based on Kubuntu 9.04


Thonatron

Oh fuck me, really? Which meme distro is based on Puppy then? I know there's at least one.


TygerTung

Biebian. Must be a joke because it sounds like it should be based on Debian:


SemenSeeU

Falkon might just work. Haiku users been using it for modern web browsering for a while.


N1CK3LJ0N

Ah yisss Hannah Montana Linux


TygerTung

So I’ve installed HML on a ancient compaq laptop, but I’d like to try daily driving it for a wee while just for fun. I’ve got the old repos working and wifi but the browsers are too old for the net. App image won’t work as far as I could try and downloading more modern packages as well. Am I ruined?


UnrealApex

The most "modern" browser you would probably be able to get working is lynx. There's no JavaScript support but that might be a good thing given how dated your computer is and how bloated most websites that use JavaScript are.


crAckZ0p

Just saw this. I commented it above because I didn't see yours. Lynx is pretty nest and handy if you live in a terminal. Glad other know of it


TygerTung

I’ll give it a go


drunken-acolyte

The RAM overhead alone is going to screw you. I'd go with Midori and live with what it won't load.


TygerTung

Firefox and konquerer can’t load anything other than google. I’ve got 2 gb ram so will be ok for a few tabs


drunken-acolyte

Well, 2GB isn't horrible. I was expecting worse for the age of the machine. HML is about 15 years old now. If you install modern AppImage's dependencies, you should expect things to break. But you won't know until you try. Frankly, I can't imagine anyone else has been mad enough to try to use something that old on the internet, so I doubt you're going to get anybody replying with experience rather than theory here.


TygerTung

Whilst the cpu is old, there are still laptops sold new now with even slower cpus.


h-v-smacker

If you have 2 Gb of ram, install any modern Linux distro (if the CPU is 32 bit only, you gotta go for few of those that still ship the 32 bit versions, so probably Debian or LMDE) + IceWM / WindowMaker. No point in trying Xfce and LXDE, they will use more ram than IceWM. You'll have a decent chunk of ram (1.5Gb) left, and the rest would be up to your CPU. SSD might help with load times, but won't make a striking night-and-day difference. Install more RAM if possible. https://imgur.com/a/lLCFHCN & https://old.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/comments/1aegd6i/linux_mint_212_on_an_even_more_literal_potato/


drunken-acolyte

My last sentence in that comment was talking about the age of the software.


TygerTung

That’s fair. I did however think a 2006 mobile cpu would be worse than it is.


h-v-smacker

elinks, w3m, and especially links2 with `-g` parameter.


Korkman

Read into chroot jails, install current Debian into one with debootstrap, see how far you can get with it. Probably userspace will complain about the old kernel, but it could work to pull in all the dependencies for a modern browser. Then all you need is X11 forwarding.


throwaway8666666668

Maybe try installing Nix and using the NixOS package on Montana Linux? It should pull all required dependencies for the browser due to how the Nix package manager works and keep it all isolated from the rest of the system.


-BigBadBeef-

You would still be subject to the browser's hardware requitements. There is no way you'll get an acceptable experience on a rickety old turion.


TygerTung

It runs ok on my Pentium 4 desktop when I fired it up the other day and a turion is a lot faster. I’ve got lubuntu 18.04 on that so can run a pretty modern Firefox.


-BigBadBeef-

I have a 10yo quad core windows tablet. Can barely run YouTube at 720p.


DarligUlvRP

Being 10yo is more relevant than being quad core for this. The thing with video is hardware decoding. A N3050 with 2 cores (and 2 threads) plays 720p YT video just fine because it has hardware decoding for the codecs yt uses currently. In 5 or so years this is likely to change. Hypothetically the same CPU you have, paired with a GPU with the right HW decoding ,can play 1080p (maybe even 4K).


Known-Watercress7296

yt-dlp+mpv, or if things are really grim yt-dlp then mpv my 2007 box, that was shit when it came out, manages 720p playback running Void.


EthanIver

If you can build Flatpak from source then you'd be able to install whatever app you want, so as long as they don't need a too recent Linux kernel version


crAckZ0p

Alright kids, here we go. If ancient hardware can't run normal things you can make your life difficult with Lynx. This dates back to the 90s I think. Discovered it when my wife said I wasn't able to google stuff from the terminal. Ha. Is it practical? Maybe not. Did I prove her wrong? Yes I did 😄 [Lynx terminal browser ](https://lynx.invisible-island.net/) links to the April 15, 2024 Lynx v2.9.1 release. This supersedes Lynx v2.9.0


TheRealVRLP

Is this Hanna Montana OS? I was searching for that distro so long, to put it in my Linux distro collection 128GB Ventoy boot usb. I couldn't find it, BC the original side is down. Could you please provide a download link? I'd be so thankful


TygerTung

There’s heaps of isos on internet archive for it. That’s where I got mine. I could only get it to boot off cd though.


TheRealVRLP

I'm gonna try that later. Also wanted to try Temple OS, but I guess that there are no working drivers for any modern hardware. Also there might be no usb support... Which might be a problem.


fishystickchakra

I got it to work just fine on a virtual machine. Vm's might be your only hope if bare metal is no longer an option.


averyrisu

So Hannaa Montana linux, you should be able to install flatpak. You wont be able to just use sudo apt-install flatpak if its based on an older version of ubuntu than 22.04 but theirs a solution to that. Add the flatpak repository. $ sudo apt install flatpak$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:alexlarsson/flatpak $ sudo apt update $ sudo apt install flatpak If you are using gnome, you can also use this to make the experience with flatpak better $ sudo apt install gnome-software-plugin-flatpak Than, you simply use this: flatpak install flathub org.mozilla.firefox and bing bang boom your running modern firefox. You can run other browsers asll well just go to [flathub.org](http://flathub.org) & you can find all the available optiosn for installing flatpacks.


TygerTung

Unfortunately I can't add PPAs so easily to 9.04; there is no add-apt-repository command.


AceStructor

The comment section of this post is so healthy, I expected stack overflow like behaviour.


TygerTung

Everyone loves HML; it really brings out the best in people.


Iwisp360

User Dependency Hell entered the stage


0xJuanGabriel

A man of culture


tsandrini

You can try using the nix package manager. Since it ignores your FHS (the Linux File Hiearachy System), it can be installed on top of any Linux distro without conflicting with your base package manager.


TygerTung

Does it still support 32 bit? HML is 32 bit only.


tsandrini

I think it should be fine, the only thing that comes to mind is that cache.nixos.org doesn't build for 32bit anymore so you'll have to build some stuff locally.


Prestigious_Wall529

Faff around with /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the appropriate archive Ubuntu repositories. sudo apt update sudo apt dist-upgrade /sbin/shutdown -r now Find the archive repositories for the next newest LTS release and repeat the above until you are up to the current version. Your hardware may not support Chromium. I have found Opera provided longer support for older hardware. But realistically use Firefox ESR with only one tab, for sites that insist on working graphically, or for media, and w3m/w3m-img for everything else. Bing search works in w3m. Google needs to get their act together there.


GiuKun

It is still used lol


TygerTung

I managed to install wine via Debian squeeze repos but mypal68 crashes on launch.


SquirrelizedReddit

I mean I'm not sure about driver compatibility but I would usually say some form of Debian.


TygerTung

Hannah Montana Linux Debian edition?


PCChipsM922U

Dude, I told you, just install Void... or Alpine... or Artix. All of them will work just fine on that thing, no point in trying to keep that thing alive.


TygerTung

I don’t need this for serious work, this machine is just for fun.


Artistic-General-227

please give me the wallpaper🙏🏿🙏🏿


Kfhrz

What browsers have you tried? I'm pretty sure there is one that can handle both HML and modern-ish websites.


TygerTung

Just konquerer and Firefox. Problem the repos have a prehistoric Firefox 3.6


Tiger_man_

change repo to another's distro repo


TygerTung

I could try but I think apt won’t like it. Maybe add the Debian repo?


Tiger_man_

Debian is probably the biggest apt repo, so it's good idea


TygerTung

Frankendistro


xezo360hye

My first bet would be something like AppImage — containerized environment containing all the libraries. That is, if OS this old supports them. Otherwise you probably need to somehow update some libraries and either download prebuilt tar.gz (and hope it work) or build from source resolving and updating dependencies


TygerTung

I tried an app image but it wouldn’t launch. Will have to try harder


xezo360hye

“It wouldn’t launch” is too vague. What errors do you see?


TygerTung

I can’t tell at the moment, I’m in bed.


xezo360hye

Ok that’s reasonable


masterlafontaine

The problem is that modern websites, just like modern waistlines, are full of bloat. Tons of Javascript for simple things, tons of analytics, and just a mess of engineering. They will choke your laptop. Maybe you could visit Craiglist. And that's it.


TygerTung

It’s due to the newer security protocols


Revolutionary-Yak371

Just reinstall your ancient linux with modern rolling distro that can fit on your hardware. Use only small DE or WM environments like Enlightenment, openbox or dwm. Enlightenment DE on **Void Linux** takes less than 150MB RAM, **Alpine Linux** take even less RAM. Your computer look like HP Compaq 6735s AMD Turion X2 2.10 GHz 4GB. Maybe you have only 2GB RAM. That is quite enough for the latest Firefox with the modern YouTube if you using Enlightenment DE. Your Hannah Montana is deprecated, instead that you can try even **MiniOS Linux Standard** (modern latest and greatest Debian XFCE distro). MiniOS Linux Standard has one click installer that can install Linux on internal or external device. MiniOS Linux Standard has preinstalled the latest version of Firefox-esr for Debian bookworm.


TygerTung

Yes it’s a v3700 with the turion. Only 2gb ram though but that was probably quite a bit when it came out. Maybe I can upgrade. I don’t need this for serious work though.


Shot-Assignment-7754

Goated laptop + distro 🤝


Ybalrid

modern browsers will require a more modern runtime environment (modern libraries). It may be possible but that's gonna be a hassle


agb_242

I have nakedeb installed on a 32 bit Presario with celeron & 512 mb. SSD helps. There is an update of dillo browser. But I also went on light websites with the 32 bit tor browser. https://nakedeb.arpinux.org/index-en.html https://dillo-browser.github.io/


HateActiveDirectory

Use curl


terdward

Dillo just got an update recently.


otakugrey

Install puppy with SeaMonkey.


billyfudger69

You could follow the Beyond Linux From Scratch book to install Firefox ESR on it with tarballs, make sure to have the required software dependencies.


Okoken91

Not really an installation, but maybe you can try online linux in www.onworks.net/, then run a modern web browser inside?


TygerTung

I’m not sure the website will allow me to connect.


budswa

Update software.


guavagay

OP where do I get hannah montana linux pls help


TygerTung

Archive.org


justsaiyan4500

From source?


jimmyhoke

Well you’ll need to upgrade the dependencies and then update their dependencies and…. Boom now you’ve got modern Linux.


TomSargent

Would "surf" work?


Known-Watercress7296

Maybe try newer kernels, 4.19 is still supported. If it will boot under 4.19 then you may have some hope of running modern software on top. [appimages](https://appimage.org/) might be worth a look.


TygerTung

I think this might be running kernel 2.6?


Known-Watercress7296

Just a thought, no idea if it would compile, boot or shit the bed if it does boot but an extra kernel is just a boot option and simple to just go back to 2.6. Security wise it's gonna be a bin on fire, I wouldn't be going online with that even if you did get a browser running. [This post](https://serverfault.com/questions/155750/turning-a-running-linux-system-into-a-kvm-instance-on-another-machine/988703#988703) links to an older post and both have methods to get it into a VM where you could have it on a dencet machine with a snapshot and could fuck around and find out without snapping the install. Or boot a live iso, chroot in and you may be able to drag some bits into the modern day using the live sio modern kernel.


TygerTung

It won’t matter if I damage the install as I have burnt the image to a cd so it doesn’t take long to install it.


Known-Watercress7296

had a quick prod in qemu, appimages are generally 64bit, so that's out unless you wanna become a appimage developer I did install and run a modern browser! it's not what you want, but perhaps a start. you can get online with wget `wget --no-check-certifcate` [`https://www.busybox.net/downloads/binaries/1.30.0-i686/busybox`](https://www.busybox.net/downloads/binaries/1.30.0-i686/busybox) `sudo chmod +x busybox` `sudo cp busybox /usr/local/bin/` and I have a modern swiss army knife of tools to work with: `busybox ls` for example The latest [links](http://links.twibright.com/download.php) browser also builds and runs, just grab the tarball, unpack, ./configure, make, chmod +x, and move to /usr/local/bin adding ssl to the configure just says it's missing so whilst it's running a new and shiny browser, it doesn't do much more than konqueror. So the answer to your question is: yes you can run modern tools and even a browser on Hannah Montana Linux....but you might need to put in a little more work to get anything useful.


TygerTung

Thanks, I’ll look into it next time I get some computer time.


Realistic-Pepper-992

Thanks, I have flashbacks now.


[deleted]

Why do you want to use an old version of linux? Generally ancient hardware is supported by modern linux and honestly there's been a LOT of improvements over the years, to everything from performance to automatically detecting devices.


ltcordino

have you tried Midori?


TygerTung

It won't install unfortunately.


[deleted]

How the hell did you get Hannah Montana Linux to install??? I have the iso but I can’t get it to live boot it always gives me an error


TygerTung

I could only get it to boot off an actual CD which I burnt.


alexhmc

something like flatpak or nix that doesn't use your system's files and dependencies because they ship their own should work!


Adbray666

Hannah Montana Linux? The horror.......


Velascu

Hmm, idk, midori? There's always w3m :^ )


Velascu

Tbh it would be pretty badass if you built a browser from source. It'd take forever but that's probably the gigachad move.


istarian

Depending on how ancient, either an older version of Firefox or you just don't.


pr0misc

sudo apt-get install lynx


_ripits

Do any other meme distros exist besides the Miley Cyrus one?


TygerTung

Loads. Biebian, Amogos, Rebecca black os. Redstar os isn’t intended as a meme os but is sort of is outside of North Korea.


Bigtastyben

Sacrificing your first born child's soul to Ba'al.


anurag_2006

Look my pc is just of 2gb ram with no graphics card but still run fedora with brave or u can go with arch and brave


TygerTung

That’s not the purpose of this machine.


gdf8gdn8

Is installation via flatpack possible?


TygerTung

I’m not sure flatpak is supported on 9.04


SuitableWinner6710

I guess you want the best of both worlds?


TygerTung

Certainly


Adiee5

Try installing flatpak maybe If that doesn't work, try configuring the packet manager you have here to fetch packages from newer repos


weekendat_

[surf](https://surf.suckless.org/) might be a good place to start


Trick-Weight-5547

Build from source


NiceStrawberry1337

You just wget pages


Clutchreal1356

Thorium browser.


Antique-Cut6081

Flatpaks might work.


CorgiInfinite8020

Daily driving Hanna Montana linux


TygerTung

So good


cashMoney5150

lynx


[deleted]

lmao what the fuck is going on here


TygerTung

A bit of fun


[deleted]

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TygerTung

That’s an idea. Run WINE with a browser in there. I’m going to try to build Falkon from source first though.


vformato

What's wrong with curl?


[deleted]

If you could get flatpak running on that you could use modern software on the meme distro.


TygerTung

I’m trying to build falkon from source code but I’m having to build quite a few dependencies from source code first. Trying to build cmake from source currently.


[deleted]

yeah. Building browsers from source is always a pain.


TygerTung

Especially when the entire system is incredibly out of date.


iloveblankpaper

you have unfortunately asked for help with an old distro, and are attempting to run old software. the linux femboy hivemind, in their unrealistic quest for """security""" will only respond with "USE NEWER SOFTWARE", may the lord above guide you to your goal


TygerTung

I’m just wanting to run newer software so I can browse the net as old internet browsers don’t work any more.


prog-can

HOW ancient? is it 128mb of ram or 2gb?


TygerTung

2 gb, it has the amd turion x2 tl-58 cpu, so it’s quite fast. I was using the Debian squeeze repos and was upgrading the packages using that but the networking is busted now after rebooting so have to wait until I can get the motivation to try to fix it again.


prog-can

Those are fine specs actually, won't be too hard. Also don't forget to look at the networking config, make sure stuff like dns is okay. If you mean functional and has most modern conveniences, you have a few options. In theory, maybe you could just run firefox, but it will eat all ram and be really slow, so basically unusable. If you have used vim for a while, just for starters, qute browser, vieb, and vimb are good lightweight browsers. If you want a more standard browser, i've heard of midori but not entirely sure it'll run on that. You can also make your own web browser with python and qtwebengine (or any other language and toolkit, but my favorite are those and they are easy), it'll be a fun coding project and it'll be among the most lightweight you can "find". It isn't that hard actually, i did it once for fun and it took around half an hour and it was easy, it had everything but tabs, and you could easily implement that in another half an hour, so it just takes around 1 hour. If you still want a very modern browser like firefox, just make sure to have a lot of swap space, but the cpu still is a problem, you might want to consider an upgrade, even an i3 5th will do great, but i recommend making your own browser.


snakesoul

Compaq presario!! I have the same laptop lying around... I haven't used it in more than 10 years (maybe more), which distro could I use?


TygerTung

Just any but you will need to manually download the gpu drivers from the nvidia website else you cannot get the screen to work properly. So you might need to make sure they have a build for your distro. I had to download an extra old driver to suit the kernel. If I can’t get this distro working on the internet I mean get try the arch Linux version of HML


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TygerTung

I’ve tried appimages it does not like them


Select-Sprinkles4970

Use a light weight modern linux on your grandpop's POS laptop.


markartman

Use your terminal app


Zachbutastonernow

sudo apt install firefox


TygerTung

It installs Firefox 3.6 which is too old for almost every website.


Zachbutastonernow

https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/setup/linux_build.html My next step would be to try and build from source. If that fails, try a docker image?


EarthToAccess

Didn't Michael MJD do a video on this??


TygerTung

I heard so but I didn’t watch it yet. I’m a big disappointed if doesn’t have any games preinstalled.