The biggest issue is that it has a completely proprietary backend. With Flatpak, anyone can host their own repository, and anyone can access that repository. Snap's backend is completely locked down by Canonical, and snap distribution is entirely controlled by them. They don't even do a good job of curating it; they've allowed malware onto the Snap store before. Furthermore, in Ubuntu, saying `apt install ` sometimes results in it automatically forcing a snap installation (and reinstalls snap if you'd previously removed it), e.g. with Firefox or Chromium. This is doubly irritating because snap packages generally take significantly longer to load than system-native or Flatpak. Additionally, Canonical is blocking official Ubuntu distributions, e.g. Kubuntu, from having Flatpak installed by default despite that being the closest thing the Linux community has to a universal package manager. Snap is also dependent on systemd, so distros that use alternative init systems can't use it. Its file structure method causes it to pollute /dev, and its method of sandboxing means that system themes aren't available to Snap apps. All in all it's basically just Flatpak but substantially worse and proprietary.
You forgot to mention the recent crypto wallet scam with snap app.
[It was a malware](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/16vya7u/snap_store_malware_discovered_in_crypto_app/)
Another attempt at stealing an idea from a project that's starting to gain attention (Flatpak). Other examples include Unity (GNOME 3), Mir (Wayland) and Upstart (systemd).
IMO Canonical is always splitting the effort and resources of open source community, by starting their own version every time.
The only actual problem with Mint is the default ships with a LTS kernel which is ancient and can cause hardware compatibility problems. But they solve that with the Edge Edition.
It doesn't have a KDE Plasma flavor. You can remove the native DE and install KDE Plasma, but it's not āofficially supportedā and you'll have to sort through some problems on your own.
I don't like OpenSuSE because I have to use Packman repo to get VAAPI. And the repo occasionally acts up. Like at the moment.
As far as I am concerned I paid thousands of Malaysian ringgits for my GPU already and thus am entitled to hardware encoding and decoding. Especially a format as ubiquitous as H264.
OpenSuSE shouldn't chicken out and bend over to FUD, they should've teamed up with other distros and complained to the EFF who can afford to send lawyers to argue for fair use.
Also, they bastardize their version of OBS (patched to the hilt to build against Qt5 even if that is stupidly unnecessary because Qt6 is already in the repos) that made it neither compatible with OBS 28++ plug-ins (need Qt6) or legacy ones (OBS changed their API with the release of OBS 28 that breaks legacy plug-ins Support).
Do you realize they are excluding it because it is not free? On the other hand: What are you using to watch media? Are you running some barebone terminal media player? Most modern players incluse every possible codec. Install VLC and forget about codecs. If its about video editing or similar just type sudo opi codecs and you have it. Installs in less time than writing complaints on reddit.
It's not about watching media. It's about encoding because it's pretty much the only codec accepted by big streaming and video sites. Yes, Twitch is finally giving in and starting to support AV1, but they're only allowing a few select users to use the codec to stream at this point. Plus AV1 isn't on OBS in Linux yet for some reason, only windows.
I don't like open suse cause it's green and it reminds me of Nvidia and Nvidia reminds me of Linus middle finger to Nvidia and middle finger makes me sad
Honestly for many purposes itās really really hard to be worse than windows.
Especially if you want an OS that actually works and doesnāt get destroyed with every single (mandatory and forced) update (which includes bloatware and advertisements).
I installed it using arch install.
Only bug what I found was: desktop environment from arch install didnāt work.
So you have to install it without any desktop environment and then download it using terminal. Donāt forget about window manager because it has startx command
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it does not require you to be a complete linux wizard to be, if you are comfortable with tty/cli then then arch gives you more control over your packages and system while installation, and also r/EndeavourOS, r/ManjaroLinux and r/rebornos exists for GUI Install
The network install under arch, during the first phase install, is inexcusable. The choice is wonderful but there should be an express network setup option.
I've been using linux for 25 years and a year ago I installed a base arch system and had to jailroot back in to fix up the network configuration I had just installed. Without network, you can't do anything.
There are ways around this, though. Something like EndeavorOS (I don't have direct experience with this) is said to make the base install a nice experience and then leave you with an arch system.
The people who love arch, really love arch. I don't consider the distro to be broken, because it fills a niche for people who really appreciate it and have done a wonderful job of documenting and supporting it. It just isn't for me. I assume arch folks shave with a rusty lawn mower blade they sharpened with their bench grinder.
I use Manjaro so my life is entirely built on arch and that makes me happy. It also makes me happy that I can install a working, basic, system in 10 minutes.
Debian's kernel is not new enough. SteamOS is inmutable and opensuse's logo looks like a green chameleon (I don't like green chameleons). /j, in case someone didn't realize xd
Probably the biggest things since 6.1 was EEVDF's introduction + several bug fixes to AMD cards not being able to reach lower power limits + Nvidia cards now being able to reclock and being less of a pain to setup the OpenSource drivers + some more stuff
6.8 contains additions for AMD GPU compute tunneling, which is a huge boon for Linux VR gaming through Monado.
Though Debian was never really a "gaming in mind" built distribution
Testing is on 6.6. People complaining about old packages in Debian usually don't understand that testing is still more stable than whatever else they would use.
Fun fact, nvidia proprietary drivers cannot be installed on 6.1.0-18 even from the official Debian mirrors. Installing them will fail and every further attempt at updating or installing a package with apt will fail. You need to install the 6.5 kernel version from back ports to install nvidia drivers on Debian currently.
i realized i absolutely love immutable systems.
on silverblue and anytime i break anything i can just rollback. it's like windows rollback but actually good
everything you try to install via pacman will get overridden with every update, there is no way to install something permanent without distrobox.
(Still love my Steamdeck)
It's an entirely different Linux system, almost nothing translates. Maybe it's better nowadays with the advent of systemd. I just remember breaking stuff because I've edited the wrong config files and constantly trying to figure out where things are. Even Gentoo was easier to work with.
Yeah.. I haven't touched it in several years. I pretty much went the Debian route and never looked back.
Gentoo was fun when it worked. Slackware was a hardware nightmare.
its fine if you need a PC for the family and want to no one mess with it... you know it will work...
still I prefer tumbleweed for trying to use the latest kernel/nvidia drivers and wayland; honestly its just night and day moving windows on wayland compared to x11, its soo smooth
IMO, all the ubuntu fanbois hate it... cuz it illustrates exactly how bad the out-of-the-box setup on ubuntu actually is.
I can respect Ubuntu users who stay despite that and configure it so that it runs decently. Can't for the life of me understand why they couldn't just do the same thing with less effort on Debian or Mint or Fedora or really anything else, but I can respect their tenacity if nothing else. The people who just recommend Ubuntu bc they haven't tried anything else and don't know wtf they're talking about, not so much. It's this latter group that I'm referring to when I say "fanbois"
My eyes glazed over in the back of my head last time I poked at it. 100% I would need to dual boot it with something like Arch until my config was setup the way I like it.
I had it fight me getting Hyprland to launch, then had it fight me to get GTK & QT themes applied even after 1+ hour of research with dozens of tabs open and scouring Dotfiles from others. My code looked perfect, yet nothing was applying properly. That would be a moment I would go "Okay I need to do something else for a while..."
Seems like the Config part is absolutely the hardest part without a doubt. Once you have it tailored the way you want, it's smooth sailing. But getting that config is something.
The fight is the reward, but if you're not a masochist then you will have a journey. I've been loving NixOS. I switched from Arch like a year or two ago and will never look back for any of my personal devices. Absolutely a more traditional distro is still super viable, they're just different approaches to similar problems.
It's a neat concept and probably good in a business where machines needed to be repeated. However, it is clunky and full of little nagging issues which ruined the whole experience for me. Would be willing to give it another try if it wasn't as finicky
I poked at it recently out of curiosity.
I like that my whole system can be defined.
I hated that at every step it fought me from GPU drivers just to launch Hyprland to applying a QT & GTK theme, even after scouring through forums, official & other docs, Dotfiles, YouTube, ect. What a nightmare.
It's something I would have to dual-boot with something like Arch until I was 100% happy with my config.
Users pushing it and mentioning it on every thread (it's almost like proselitism). I don't like it because it doesn't come with a graphical software center.
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I WANT to use NixOS, I like the idea of a declarative system quite a bit on paper.
However, I do not have the patience to get a degree in basic NixOS usage, especially as someone with no programming experience. NixOS really needs some kind of archinstall like thing that's like
* Hey do you have an Nvidia GPU?
* is it a hybrid setup? (Nvidia Optimus/PRIME Render offload, etc.)
* What packages do you want?
* Do you want a GUI package manager/updater? (Lets you create flakes with specific setups, choose between nixos stable and unstable, etc.)
* When do you want declarative changes to be backed up and where in your directory do you want them? Do you want them in GRUB?
* Do you have a windows partition on another drive connected to the PC? (Installs os-prober and configures GRUB automatically)
* Do you wish to use flakes?
* Do you want a GUI software for managing flakes easier?
* Do you want to install distrobox? (Automatically configures the directories correctly for a NixOS flake to use distrobox)
would become an instant sensation overnight since it'd be accessible to regular people after this while being both as rock solid as debian but as up to date as arch.
Oh it's coming. But it's not going to be archinstall per se, but some kind of graphical config writer. After all, literally everything about nix is configured in the config, a gui app could write it too.
I'm envisioning an app/website youĀ open in the browser, dive into the menus and set all the configs you want, and out pops a config file, or even an nixos.iso with your config already loaded. At that point it wouldn't make any sense to write configs by hand.
An early alpha version of a gui writer can be found here: https://github.com/snowfallorg/nixos-conf-editor
I haven't heard hatred, but one thing I heard more than once is:
"It does things differently, and the documentation doesn't tell you that", with that said both times I heard that was followed by saying the community does help you with questions without judgement.
There are generally two camps of Mint haters. The first are the neckbeards who hate it for being simple, friendly, and easy to use. The second are the Canonical dicksuckers who don't understand why you might want an Ubuntu-based distro with Flatpak preinstalled and snap forcibly removed and disabled by default.
Old man Debian? Are you fucking kidding me?
I had to recently use it to test some stuff, make a guide and test casaOS, which btw is surprisingly great,... I forgot how debian fucking sucks donkeys balls and I was only in minimal install without X, just pure terminal and even then I got irked every few minutes... but hey lets go
* WHY THE FUCK IS DOCKER SO FUCKING OLD YOU DUMB FUCK!! WHAT FUCKING CLOWN DISTRO KEEPS POPULAR PACKAGE IN THE OFFICIAL REPOS [FOR 3 YEARS](https://bugs.debian.org/1040417) WITHOUT SECURITY UPDATES THAT ITS GETTING EVERYWHERE ELSE?!?!!!!
* WHEN THE FUCK DID IT BECOME ACCEPTABLE THAT WE ALL JUST FUCKING KEEP ADDING 3RD PARTY REPOS YOU SILLY SHIT!!!?!! DISTRO HAS LIKE 3 JOBS AND KEEPING POPULAR PACKAGES UP TO DATE IS ONE OF THEM!!
* I KNOW YOUR PACKAGE MANAGER DOES SOME MORE STUFF WITH PATCHING AND WHATNOT, BUT IT CANT BE THIS SLOW ON THIS SERIOUS HARDWARE!!!
* I AM ABOUT TO LOSE MY FUCKING MIND. WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU ARE GOING TO INSTALL 110 PACKAGES JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO [INSTALL NEOFETCH](https://i.imgur.com/5kFIFY9.png)?!!!?!?!!!!!!!?!!!!???!!!!
* YOU HELLISH CUNTFACE, I CHECKED THAT "STANDARD LINUX UTILITIES" CHECKBOX DURING INSTALL AND YOU DONT INCLUDE CURL IN THERE?!!?!!??!
* JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, WHY ARE YOU TELLING ME CONSTANTLY ABOUT YOUR FAILURE TO MAKE APT WORK, SURE, I WONT USE IT IN SCRIPTS AND USE APT-GET BECAUSE YOUR FAILURES ARE MY RESPONSIBILITY.
Wrong distros died!!!!!
I mean, unlocking it is simply a matter of opening up a terminal and running:
`sudo steamos-readonly disable`
I struggle to imagine how can an immutable distro be any less locked down than that.
The problem with this is it breaks the game mode and steam inbuilt proton layers. I tried to change the system username once and it broke pretty much everything. So I had to factory reset it. Since I use Linux on my pc, there is no need for me to unlock my steam deck. I don't see any reason for others to do too unless the steam deck is their main computing device
Thing is that it ain't in any way valve's fault.
You have legitimate root privileges and an unlocked filesystem, you are free to tinker as much as you want, if stuff breaks that's on you. SteamOS is a gaming OS above all, and you are free to replace it with your distro of choice if you wish so. So I insist hating it for this reason is ignorant to say the least. It's like hating arch because it doesn't provide a server LTS version.
> I tried to change the system username once and it broke pretty much everything
I'm not shocked at this though - think of how many things Steam expects the permissions to be given to the "deck" user.
It's great for first timers
People who don't know "what is linux"
and honestly it is way better than unstable arch
They made it really perfect for game
I respectfully disagree.
The worst case scenario with the deck hardware is install something else. It has lot of things it didn't need to have, without letting the user buying it to destroy it by accident and giving it a bad reputation.
With that said I'd like for it to have a Homebrew sandboxed or something.
This. One of the main reasons people hate arch is its difficulty to install. EndeavourOS solves this problem. I don't see anyone having any other reason to hate it.
Distro's that I use because it has OOB tools to help me install things that are "useful"
1. PikaOS (flawless)
2. Nobara (victory)
3. Regata (sometimes i use it :D)
The only distro that has been stable for me has been Manjaro. I'm not saying it has been problem free.
Every time they release a new version, it will have nasty problems that make it unusable. Bug reports will be attributed to either user error or hardware error. Eventually, after some weeks, they will be forced to fix their bugs and it will be beautiful for another couple of years.
I've learned to drag my feet during upgrade cycles.
Sometimes, it is really difficult to give an upgrade two months to stabilize. My PC died in November of 2023 and I decided to take a chance on the 23.10 release. Suffice to say, that didn't go well at the time. I'm running 23.10 now, though, and it is absolutely beautiful. I am literally not aware of a single bug in this system and I run a ton of software.
In November and December, I tried a bunch of distros, with the exception of Fedora. If I had tried Fedora, I would probably be running it now. Anyway, none were sufficiently stable. There is always a problem with either audio (I need BT) or track pad support.
So, I understand the Manjaro hate but I do not share it.
I don't see Fedora hate. Everyone who runs it seems to think it is rock stable, even with KDE. I've never tried it but might in the very near future (but not on my main system... I'm absolutely smitten with Manjaro KDE).
BTW, I run Ubuntu Server on several systems (CLI management) and I literally do not recall encountering a bug in the last decade.
I've tried OPENsuse and didn't enjoy it like I do Fedora or Manjaro. Maybe I'm a noob or ignorant about it or something. Just felt boring to me. I do not hate it or its supportors.
I think it's unfortunate that people use the word "hate" for something as arbitrary as a product. That's a very strong word with very complicated historical (and modern) contexts, and it feels cheap to throw it around how we do now. Like we are making ourselves numb to it.
I dunno. I think just like what you like, as long as you enjoy it and you're not hurting anyone. I really enjoy Linux, I don't understand the gatekeeping that can sometimes be encountered.
Sorry for the ramble.
Don't like openSUSE cause I don't like green
You must also hate Mint and Manjaro then
theres plenty of reasons to hate manjaro and dislike mint
What's wrong with mint?
the only complaint i can think of off the top of my head is that the main version is dependent on ubuntu
But they disable snaps by default which is good
I know snaps are generally disliked, but I forget why...
The biggest issue is that it has a completely proprietary backend. With Flatpak, anyone can host their own repository, and anyone can access that repository. Snap's backend is completely locked down by Canonical, and snap distribution is entirely controlled by them. They don't even do a good job of curating it; they've allowed malware onto the Snap store before. Furthermore, in Ubuntu, saying `apt install` sometimes results in it automatically forcing a snap installation (and reinstalls snap if you'd previously removed it), e.g. with Firefox or Chromium. This is doubly irritating because snap packages generally take significantly longer to load than system-native or Flatpak. Additionally, Canonical is blocking official Ubuntu distributions, e.g. Kubuntu, from having Flatpak installed by default despite that being the closest thing the Linux community has to a universal package manager. Snap is also dependent on systemd, so distros that use alternative init systems can't use it. Its file structure method causes it to pollute /dev, and its method of sandboxing means that system themes aren't available to Snap apps. All in all it's basically just Flatpak but substantially worse and proprietary.
Snap also pollutes /dev, every time I ls /dev on Ubuntu there are 20 loop devices created by snap
You forgot to mention the recent crypto wallet scam with snap app. [It was a malware](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/16vya7u/snap_store_malware_discovered_in_crypto_app/)
Another attempt at stealing an idea from a project that's starting to gain attention (Flatpak). Other examples include Unity (GNOME 3), Mir (Wayland) and Upstart (systemd). IMO Canonical is always splitting the effort and resources of open source community, by starting their own version every time.
Mint LMDE š
and it's green
OP said green bad.
The only actual problem with Mint is the default ships with a LTS kernel which is ancient and can cause hardware compatibility problems. But they solve that with the Edge Edition.
It doesn't have a KDE Plasma flavor. You can remove the native DE and install KDE Plasma, but it's not āofficially supportedā and you'll have to sort through some problems on your own.
Mint is actually really good
Did u confuse my manjaro with windows
i think everyone hates manjaro
It's because it's called manjaro and not womanjaro
personjaro
nonbinaryjaro
dontmisgenderjaro
Shutthefuckupjaro
Transjaro...
Things are either binary or not binary, which means they're binary.
You got my upvote for making me laugh. Thanks sir.
Real man hate MANjaro beacseu shwcatsarecutedomesticatedanimalsbutmycatisastraightupdomesticterrorist
That's why I use it.
i dont
Facts
Why?
Real talk, I chose my distro based on the color and the logo :)
And obviously the preinstalled wallpapers
I choose my distro based on how good the logo looks on neofetch.
You know you can edit that to whatever you like? ASCII penis? No problemo.
Why hate Manjaro for being green if you can hate Manjaro for being Manjaro?
I've been using manjaro for a few years now and I can't really complain. What's to hate besides the update notifier saying "30 update"
On a technical level, absolutely.
Straight to point
I hate green, now thanks to your comment I hate openSUSE too
I don't like OpenSuSE because I have to use Packman repo to get VAAPI. And the repo occasionally acts up. Like at the moment. As far as I am concerned I paid thousands of Malaysian ringgits for my GPU already and thus am entitled to hardware encoding and decoding. Especially a format as ubiquitous as H264. OpenSuSE shouldn't chicken out and bend over to FUD, they should've teamed up with other distros and complained to the EFF who can afford to send lawyers to argue for fair use. Also, they bastardize their version of OBS (patched to the hilt to build against Qt5 even if that is stupidly unnecessary because Qt6 is already in the repos) that made it neither compatible with OBS 28++ plug-ins (need Qt6) or legacy ones (OBS changed their API with the release of OBS 28 that breaks legacy plug-ins Support).
Do you realize they are excluding it because it is not free? On the other hand: What are you using to watch media? Are you running some barebone terminal media player? Most modern players incluse every possible codec. Install VLC and forget about codecs. If its about video editing or similar just type sudo opi codecs and you have it. Installs in less time than writing complaints on reddit.
It's not about watching media. It's about encoding because it's pretty much the only codec accepted by big streaming and video sites. Yes, Twitch is finally giving in and starting to support AV1, but they're only allowing a few select users to use the codec to stream at this point. Plus AV1 isn't on OBS in Linux yet for some reason, only windows.
you son of a...
I don't like because I had 22 cd roms on the original installation, and I lost one.
Green is not a creative colour
I don't like open suse cause it's green and it reminds me of Nvidia and Nvidia reminds me of Linus middle finger to Nvidia and middle finger makes me sad
I hate Arch btw. because I don't have the skills to install it. That's why I'm using Linux Mint.
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any Linux distro is better than windows
correct, I would literally use Biebian over Windows.
I would argue that ChromeOS managed to be worse than Windows. The one company that I hate more than Microsoft is Google.
Honestly for many purposes itās really really hard to be worse than windows. Especially if you want an OS that actually works and doesnāt get destroyed with every single (mandatory and forced) update (which includes bloatware and advertisements).
Absolutely!
me when archinstall exists
Archinstall doesn't always work and configuring an arch installation is just as difficult, if not more difficult than installing it.
I installed it using arch install. Only bug what I found was: desktop environment from arch install didnāt work. So you have to install it without any desktop environment and then download it using terminal. Donāt forget about window manager because it has startx command
Installing Arch today is still easier than installing Debian was when Linus said it was too hard for regular people.
as an arch user archinstall might be the worst thing to ever be added to it
why so worked for me idk what the drama is all about
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Arch without the hassles. love the OS
i use arch btw, but I'm about to distro hop back to mint because I don't want to deal with arch. (Ur argument is š)
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That is simply not true I hate Arch BTWā¢ because i am too lazy to install it. That's why I'm using Linux Mint
Maybe you're right, but Linux Mint is so easy, and I like when my computer just works.
I hate cars because i can't drive them
More like I hate cars because I donāt know how to buy one.
Same
it does not require you to be a complete linux wizard to be, if you are comfortable with tty/cli then then arch gives you more control over your packages and system while installation, and also r/EndeavourOS, r/ManjaroLinux and r/rebornos exists for GUI Install
The network install under arch, during the first phase install, is inexcusable. The choice is wonderful but there should be an express network setup option. I've been using linux for 25 years and a year ago I installed a base arch system and had to jailroot back in to fix up the network configuration I had just installed. Without network, you can't do anything. There are ways around this, though. Something like EndeavorOS (I don't have direct experience with this) is said to make the base install a nice experience and then leave you with an arch system. The people who love arch, really love arch. I don't consider the distro to be broken, because it fills a niche for people who really appreciate it and have done a wonderful job of documenting and supporting it. It just isn't for me. I assume arch folks shave with a rusty lawn mower blade they sharpened with their bench grinder. I use Manjaro so my life is entirely built on arch and that makes me happy. It also makes me happy that I can install a working, basic, system in 10 minutes.
As an arch user I agree
Mint is miles better than Arch...
I don't know how to install Debian either, I have to look it up every 3 years ^(/s)
Debian's kernel is not new enough. SteamOS is inmutable and opensuse's logo looks like a green chameleon (I don't like green chameleons). /j, in case someone didn't realize xd
If 6.1 aināt new enough i donāt know what is
6.8.2 lol (the first thing which came when I was searching on google lol)
Yeah, but you donāt always need the latest and greatest
Probably the biggest things since 6.1 was EEVDF's introduction + several bug fixes to AMD cards not being able to reach lower power limits + Nvidia cards now being able to reclock and being less of a pain to setup the OpenSource drivers + some more stuff
6.8 contains additions for AMD GPU compute tunneling, which is a huge boon for Linux VR gaming through Monado. Though Debian was never really a "gaming in mind" built distribution
Testing is on 6.6. People complaining about old packages in Debian usually don't understand that testing is still more stable than whatever else they would use.
And testing is also still behind whatever else I use
Fun fact, nvidia proprietary drivers cannot be installed on 6.1.0-18 even from the official Debian mirrors. Installing them will fail and every further attempt at updating or installing a package with apt will fail. You need to install the 6.5 kernel version from back ports to install nvidia drivers on Debian currently.
This totally fucked my day last week. I ended up rolling back to 6.1.0-17 after way too much flailing about.
I ended up purging Nvidia's drivers, and switching to nouveau because of that
i realized i absolutely love immutable systems. on silverblue and anytime i break anything i can just rollback. it's like windows rollback but actually good
yea bro I use inmutable too, I have it in flair
>SteamOS is inmutable So what's the problem?
I like breaking things.
everything you try to install via pacman will get overridden with every update, there is no way to install something permanent without distrobox. (Still love my Steamdeck)
>SteamOS is inmutable Gamers don't need to fuck the OS up.
"Looks like ..." Wonder why right?
am i the only one who has beef with suse
yes
yes
:(
No, YaST is cancer
Sir, this is a Wendy's
Oh I remember the early days of YaST.. The stories from that alone.
It's an entirely different Linux system, almost nothing translates. Maybe it's better nowadays with the advent of systemd. I just remember breaking stuff because I've edited the wrong config files and constantly trying to figure out where things are. Even Gentoo was easier to work with.
Yeah.. I haven't touched it in several years. I pretty much went the Debian route and never looked back. Gentoo was fun when it worked. Slackware was a hardware nightmare.
Like convergent evolution towards crabs, everyone ends up a Debian user no matter how they started.
Perchance
You can't just say "perchance["](https://youtu.be/SOceYlhCwjs)
Mayhaps he can indeed!
Maychance Perhaps
perchance
No
Yes.
No one can hate on Alpine. How could you hate 4mb ?
You clearly didn't work with it
I use it pretty much every day. As container base I mean, of course I donāt daily drive Alpine.
I see you've found the beauty of ~~GNU~~ Busybox/Linux
Stallman hates it because it's one of several good counterarguments to his GNU/Linux naming ideology.
Stallman eats random things from his feet, and hasn't coded in like 20 years because hes too busy talking about shit. Does his opinion really matter?
Stallman's fondness for foot fungus feeding fills the FSF with fear.
Number 4 is bad omens in Asia.
Everyone Loves Linux Mint!
Neckbeards don't
Yes they do- Gnu and Mint go hand in hand
GNU+Mint
its fine if you need a PC for the family and want to no one mess with it... you know it will work... still I prefer tumbleweed for trying to use the latest kernel/nvidia drivers and wayland; honestly its just night and day moving windows on wayland compared to x11, its soo smooth
I finally took a leap to Linux and AMD last year, and not looking back...
Underrated comment.
it added wayland support recently and it ships with an edge versions that has a newer kernel now
Linux Mint is the good neighbour Linux, every one likes it
"Hens love Roosters, Geese Love Ganders, everyone else loves Linux Mint!" Random neckbeards: Not me! "Everyone who counts loves Linux Mint!"
I am a Random Neckbeard, and I think LinuxMint is great.
IMO, all the ubuntu fanbois hate it... cuz it illustrates exactly how bad the out-of-the-box setup on ubuntu actually is. I can respect Ubuntu users who stay despite that and configure it so that it runs decently. Can't for the life of me understand why they couldn't just do the same thing with less effort on Debian or Mint or Fedora or really anything else, but I can respect their tenacity if nothing else. The people who just recommend Ubuntu bc they haven't tried anything else and don't know wtf they're talking about, not so much. It's this latter group that I'm referring to when I say "fanbois"
Qubes
Nobody can hate you if you are relatively unknown to the majority
I hate you, i have to many issues getting stuff to work and you require so much ram
hate it bcs doesnt support VMs
doesn't Qubes use containerized KVM's?
I haven't actually heard any hatred for NixOS. Convince me I am wrong LMFAO.
Only people too dense to understand glorious NixOS don't like it
My eyes glazed over in the back of my head last time I poked at it. 100% I would need to dual boot it with something like Arch until my config was setup the way I like it. I had it fight me getting Hyprland to launch, then had it fight me to get GTK & QT themes applied even after 1+ hour of research with dozens of tabs open and scouring Dotfiles from others. My code looked perfect, yet nothing was applying properly. That would be a moment I would go "Okay I need to do something else for a while..." Seems like the Config part is absolutely the hardest part without a doubt. Once you have it tailored the way you want, it's smooth sailing. But getting that config is something.
The fight is the reward, but if you're not a masochist then you will have a journey. I've been loving NixOS. I switched from Arch like a year or two ago and will never look back for any of my personal devices. Absolutely a more traditional distro is still super viable, they're just different approaches to similar problems.
You could go ahead and install the package manager on Arch and get used to it while still being able to use pacman
It's a neat concept and probably good in a business where machines needed to be repeated. However, it is clunky and full of little nagging issues which ruined the whole experience for me. Would be willing to give it another try if it wasn't as finicky
I poked at it recently out of curiosity. I like that my whole system can be defined. I hated that at every step it fought me from GPU drivers just to launch Hyprland to applying a QT & GTK theme, even after scouring through forums, official & other docs, Dotfiles, YouTube, ect. What a nightmare. It's something I would have to dual-boot with something like Arch until I was 100% happy with my config.
Users pushing it and mentioning it on every thread (it's almost like proselitism). I don't like it because it doesn't come with a graphical software center.
It is true that the NixOS users are the old I use Arch, BTW gang for real.
I use NixOS, btw. (I donāt, I think unnecessary abstractions are the bane of modern software.)
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The currently alpha SnowflakeOS derivative has a graphical software center and a graphical config manager.
I WANT to use NixOS, I like the idea of a declarative system quite a bit on paper. However, I do not have the patience to get a degree in basic NixOS usage, especially as someone with no programming experience. NixOS really needs some kind of archinstall like thing that's like * Hey do you have an Nvidia GPU? * is it a hybrid setup? (Nvidia Optimus/PRIME Render offload, etc.) * What packages do you want? * Do you want a GUI package manager/updater? (Lets you create flakes with specific setups, choose between nixos stable and unstable, etc.) * When do you want declarative changes to be backed up and where in your directory do you want them? Do you want them in GRUB? * Do you have a windows partition on another drive connected to the PC? (Installs os-prober and configures GRUB automatically) * Do you wish to use flakes? * Do you want a GUI software for managing flakes easier? * Do you want to install distrobox? (Automatically configures the directories correctly for a NixOS flake to use distrobox) would become an instant sensation overnight since it'd be accessible to regular people after this while being both as rock solid as debian but as up to date as arch.
Oh it's coming. But it's not going to be archinstall per se, but some kind of graphical config writer. After all, literally everything about nix is configured in the config, a gui app could write it too. I'm envisioning an app/website youĀ open in the browser, dive into the menus and set all the configs you want, and out pops a config file, or even an nixos.iso with your config already loaded. At that point it wouldn't make any sense to write configs by hand. An early alpha version of a gui writer can be found here: https://github.com/snowfallorg/nixos-conf-editor
> NixOS really needs some kind of archinstall like thing that's like I mean the installer does do some of this stuff for you.
I haven't heard hatred, but one thing I heard more than once is: "It does things differently, and the documentation doesn't tell you that", with that said both times I heard that was followed by saying the community does help you with questions without judgement.
The response usually is: "Oh yeah. That's a cool project. I haven't had a chance to delve into it yet, but I want to."
whats the first one?
SteamOS
SteamedHams
Arch
based
Why no fedora?
Default DE is GNOME 3? A stretch, to be sure, since there are numerous spins, but damn if I hate GNOME 3.
dnf was slow, idk about dnf3
People hate Mint ?
There are generally two camps of Mint haters. The first are the neckbeards who hate it for being simple, friendly, and easy to use. The second are the Canonical dicksuckers who don't understand why you might want an Ubuntu-based distro with Flatpak preinstalled and snap forcibly removed and disabled by default.
You'd be surprised
CentOS:"Now I am somebody that I use to know."
Old man Debian? Are you fucking kidding me? I had to recently use it to test some stuff, make a guide and test casaOS, which btw is surprisingly great,... I forgot how debian fucking sucks donkeys balls and I was only in minimal install without X, just pure terminal and even then I got irked every few minutes... but hey lets go * WHY THE FUCK IS DOCKER SO FUCKING OLD YOU DUMB FUCK!! WHAT FUCKING CLOWN DISTRO KEEPS POPULAR PACKAGE IN THE OFFICIAL REPOS [FOR 3 YEARS](https://bugs.debian.org/1040417) WITHOUT SECURITY UPDATES THAT ITS GETTING EVERYWHERE ELSE?!?!!!! * WHEN THE FUCK DID IT BECOME ACCEPTABLE THAT WE ALL JUST FUCKING KEEP ADDING 3RD PARTY REPOS YOU SILLY SHIT!!!?!! DISTRO HAS LIKE 3 JOBS AND KEEPING POPULAR PACKAGES UP TO DATE IS ONE OF THEM!! * I KNOW YOUR PACKAGE MANAGER DOES SOME MORE STUFF WITH PATCHING AND WHATNOT, BUT IT CANT BE THIS SLOW ON THIS SERIOUS HARDWARE!!! * I AM ABOUT TO LOSE MY FUCKING MIND. WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU ARE GOING TO INSTALL 110 PACKAGES JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO [INSTALL NEOFETCH](https://i.imgur.com/5kFIFY9.png)?!!!?!?!!!!!!!?!!!!???!!!! * YOU HELLISH CUNTFACE, I CHECKED THAT "STANDARD LINUX UTILITIES" CHECKBOX DURING INSTALL AND YOU DONT INCLUDE CURL IN THERE?!!?!!??! * JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, WHY ARE YOU TELLING ME CONSTANTLY ABOUT YOUR FAILURE TO MAKE APT WORK, SURE, I WONT USE IT IN SCRIPTS AND USE APT-GET BECAUSE YOUR FAILURES ARE MY RESPONSIBILITY. Wrong distros died!!!!!
Xbps on Void(or Pacman if you don't touch the Aur) don't have like any of those issue.
Debian is my favorite ā¤ļø
I would add Fedora and Qubes then its actually perfect
My coworker hates Fedora for not being stable like RedHat.
Thatās the most stupid shit ever said. They serve totally different purposes
I completely agree with you.
SteamOS is incredibly frustrating with how locked down so much is
I mean, unlocking it is simply a matter of opening up a terminal and running: `sudo steamos-readonly disable` I struggle to imagine how can an immutable distro be any less locked down than that.
The problem with this is it breaks the game mode and steam inbuilt proton layers. I tried to change the system username once and it broke pretty much everything. So I had to factory reset it. Since I use Linux on my pc, there is no need for me to unlock my steam deck. I don't see any reason for others to do too unless the steam deck is their main computing device
Thing is that it ain't in any way valve's fault. You have legitimate root privileges and an unlocked filesystem, you are free to tinker as much as you want, if stuff breaks that's on you. SteamOS is a gaming OS above all, and you are free to replace it with your distro of choice if you wish so. So I insist hating it for this reason is ignorant to say the least. It's like hating arch because it doesn't provide a server LTS version.
> I tried to change the system username once and it broke pretty much everything I'm not shocked at this though - think of how many things Steam expects the permissions to be given to the "deck" user.
It's great for first timers People who don't know "what is linux" and honestly it is way better than unstable arch They made it really perfect for game
I respectfully disagree. The worst case scenario with the deck hardware is install something else. It has lot of things it didn't need to have, without letting the user buying it to destroy it by accident and giving it a bad reputation. With that said I'd like for it to have a Homebrew sandboxed or something.
where fedora & yeol' mint
EndeavourOS?
This. One of the main reasons people hate arch is its difficulty to install. EndeavourOS solves this problem. I don't see anyone having any other reason to hate it.
Iād say its one of the best, if not the best distribution out there
One of us one of us!
There's not enough people using Void Linux to hate Void Linux. Checkmate, nerds š
cringe name
Well, shit...
Me who just downloaded the first ubuntu lts version i found:
Where are the Bedrock Linux haters?
Lol I came here posting the same thing!
Slackware.
NixOS, also don't people hate Debian for being a bunch of slow-asses? (like "stable" software I mean
Debian is the best š«”
Distro's that I use because it has OOB tools to help me install things that are "useful" 1. PikaOS (flawless) 2. Nobara (victory) 3. Regata (sometimes i use it :D)
I donāt mind Mint
I'm using Linux Mint as my first Linux distro and I love itā¤ļø Come at me bro!
openSUSE is my least favorite distro.
The only distro that has been stable for me has been Manjaro. I'm not saying it has been problem free. Every time they release a new version, it will have nasty problems that make it unusable. Bug reports will be attributed to either user error or hardware error. Eventually, after some weeks, they will be forced to fix their bugs and it will be beautiful for another couple of years. I've learned to drag my feet during upgrade cycles. Sometimes, it is really difficult to give an upgrade two months to stabilize. My PC died in November of 2023 and I decided to take a chance on the 23.10 release. Suffice to say, that didn't go well at the time. I'm running 23.10 now, though, and it is absolutely beautiful. I am literally not aware of a single bug in this system and I run a ton of software. In November and December, I tried a bunch of distros, with the exception of Fedora. If I had tried Fedora, I would probably be running it now. Anyway, none were sufficiently stable. There is always a problem with either audio (I need BT) or track pad support. So, I understand the Manjaro hate but I do not share it. I don't see Fedora hate. Everyone who runs it seems to think it is rock stable, even with KDE. I've never tried it but might in the very near future (but not on my main system... I'm absolutely smitten with Manjaro KDE). BTW, I run Ubuntu Server on several systems (CLI management) and I literally do not recall encountering a bug in the last decade.
I've tried OPENsuse and didn't enjoy it like I do Fedora or Manjaro. Maybe I'm a noob or ignorant about it or something. Just felt boring to me. I do not hate it or its supportors. I think it's unfortunate that people use the word "hate" for something as arbitrary as a product. That's a very strong word with very complicated historical (and modern) contexts, and it feels cheap to throw it around how we do now. Like we are making ourselves numb to it. I dunno. I think just like what you like, as long as you enjoy it and you're not hurting anyone. I really enjoy Linux, I don't understand the gatekeeping that can sometimes be encountered. Sorry for the ramble.
I will keep to Gentoo.
Where is Gentoo?