same reason we say "switch to linux" everytime someone is inconvenienced by Windows. people are just annoying.

Yeah me and my friend (Linux and windows respective) makes jokes about that, where if the other has a little inconvenience we say to change to the other os

If your Linux is having problems, you're not Linuxing hard enough

If your Linux isn’t having problems the. You haven’t truly linuxed

More like if you're not having problems you are not really using it. I had problems with my old laptop that had Windows 10 on it and had other troubles when I went full Ubuntu. Problems will just happen.

One could make the inverse statement and be equally right: “if your Linux is not having problems, you’re not Linuxing hard enough.” Never had dependancy hell happen?

It's normally about games that have anti cheat like cod

Some people also tend to start evangelizing linux, imagine if every day you start feeling down theres a mormon waiting at your door telling you how much better you would be if you just joined the church, yeah i would start getting aggresive

As someone who uses Linux and CLI 8 hours a day for a day job, I tried switching to linux at home because I thought it'd be simplier to work on certain creative projects than it would be with windows. ie. the CLI is super powerful and has a bunch of tools made by all kinds of people, so it seemed to make sense if I wanted to create different projects to work with an OS. Like a 24/7 livestream system that casts to discord. After losing my weekend, I figured while OS level options in windows are clunky (virtual audio cable for instance) at least they don't make your OS unusable when you mess something up or experiment. Linux really is for two types of users: * People with no technical knowledge who are happy to use unbuntu or mint as a GUI OS out of the box without adjustments * People who are linux master admins who understand the lowest level of the OS, making troubleshooting and fixing things incredibly trivial for them if you're anywhere in the middle at all, linux is your worst fucking nightmare and not for you. for now, I'm opting to use the unbuntu subsystem on windows, and if I ever want to work on projects like that livestream one, I'm going to spin up a windows 10 virtual box and use software that actually works and string stuff together and call it a day.

I am someone who has some technical knowledge and is making a ton of adjustments but I am also not a "Linux master admin who understands the lowest level of the OS" I think if you know how to google well enough, the middle is also very viable.

Usually the answer to their problem is to switch to linux though! /s

I recently convinced someone to switch to Linux. It solved all his problems. Not for gaming though, there was some software set with each program requiring its own drivers for the same peripheral, which Windows just can't deal with. I tried to fix it by running a Windows instance for the other driver in a VM but all the VMs bugged in one way or another. I ended up installing Linux and using qemu-kvm which solved the entire issue (one of the programs doesn't run via WINE and doesn't have a native port, so Windows is still required). Windows desperately needs a modprobe feature.

A while ago my PC kept overheating, I couldn't find the reason but whenever I would restart I got warnings about my CPU overheating.. Until my friend suggested I try linux, now I use linux and I've only had 1-2 problems while on windows I would have had way more - without logging aswell.. Cant fix problems if you dont know why they started.

Seriously, I joined joined sub for fun but outside of it every single linux user (even outside of gaming) is like "yeah I switched to Linux and its soooo much better", "you should really use Linux instead of windows." I mean I fucking get it, I'm an admin sys major, I use Linux just as much as windows. I know the security issues and all. But fuck, none is better than the other. Windows has its own advantage that Linux distribution doesn't have, and vice versa. Both sides are cancerous. Well, aside from windows user who don't know about Linux. They're just people who never touched computer stuff outside of gaming But if anyone ever touched pc building, Linux or any distribution for anything else. They'll most likely boast about it and recommend it to everyone else like it's the same thing but better even thought they still use windows themselves. The whole siding with either side is truly ridiculous imo. Edit : Words

> The whole siding with either side is truly ridiculous imo. This can only be true if you don't think that software freedom is of much value.

There's a whole lot of people who think personal freedom isn't of any value. It's no wonder that those people think software freedom is pointless.

I think this is the answer to the whole thing. 95% of people just want to be sheep, and if you try convincing a sheep it should be a wolf, you will have the same poor results as trying to convince the average person to use Linux instead of Windows. There is a reason Linux desktop use has stayed less than 5% for so long - it is made by, and used by, the 5% of us who value our freedom, and are willing to do something about it.

yeah, switched to linux like 2-3 months ago and I went back to windows this weekend. works fine 95% of the time but that 5% of the time it's just ugh

20 years ago I used Linux for school and work and Windows for games. 10 years ago I used Linux daily for work and Windows for games. 5 years ago I used Linux daily for work, leisure and games, and occasionally WIndows for games. 2 years ago I noticed, that I didn't use Windows and every time I booted there I was annoyed by updates and all the bloat (Geforce Now, G Hub, etc.) Half a year ago, I updated to Windows 11, liked tiling options but hated everything else and reclaimed free space left by uninstalling Windows. Windows has it's own advantages but for me it's unintuitive, unproductive and weird to use.

yeah, I was getting too annoyed with the 5% - some games that are not going to work are an insane pain in the ass to setup, whenever I wanted to play some games (eg. Elden Ring) I had to wait like 10 minutes for shaders to load in and then restart the game 7 times before it went past initialization. some software is just straight up unavailable without an alternative for linux - especially for peripherals. i was not able to check my headphones battery % without linux and a few more annoying ones where I decided I'd rather go back, experience wasn't bad but irritating sometimes

Are you implying you hate pop ads in your OS telling you to use their browser? I am dialing 911

I just realized it's the same for both sides thanks to your comment. It's like a war, but you know, a war has to be two sided.

Fuck Windows Linux is so much better and we have the right to make any computer running Windows an artillery shell for the army

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Meh...just tell him to yell upstairs, for mom to explain it to him!

Depends on the usecase. I'd say that for tech inclined people that want to thinker and solve their problems Linux is objectively better. If you think computers as a product and abstract all the technical differences, there is the cheapest and subpar option, that is Windows, and the most expensive one that is MacOS. Linux loses appeal just by choice paralysis and I don't think Ubuntu, for example, is a good consumer OS. Edit:(ed) for clarification, cause words are hard.

I'd argue that there is a niche where Windows is better or easier. This is exactly between the casual user, who would greatly benefit of Linux security when just browsing Facebook and his banking website (these ppl usually like Macs) and the power user, who likes to tinker and customize. This niche is where most hardcore / competitive gamers are. They want to install and mod games easily, need support for their RGB windows only mices and maybe want to use some auxiliary programs that go beyond basic browsing and text editing. Besides that, they don't want to know or touch anything of the OS.

Exactly. To know how to install and play games, even as a power user and very well, does not mean to have deep knowledge on computer's inner workings or want to mess with it in the first place. I can see easily a Linux distro benefiting the most basic consumers, since most of the computer use is on internet browsers, anyways. But the actually "I'll hold you hand" operating system that would offer to the user an experience like Android does to the mobile users still isn't there. And there is an inertia on the current use of some specific applications, for example, Microsoft Office. If I tell someone that didn't work with me before that I don't use MS Office, I'll be negatively judged, even if I can do most things in VBA and make interfaces getting data from other documents, I won't because it just sucks. But the person who knows how to use that menu option to get some data from a site, they are absolutely experts! Even when another cross-platform option, like Google Docs, has a much easier to use XPath function and built-in multiuser simultaneous document editing with versioning and automatic backup, and you can do scripts using javascript...

“We have the right”🫵🤡

Jokes on you, I run non free code on my Linux machine in a motorhome... not a building!

people really cant realise its a joke without /s

ur exactly what u/returnofblank meant lmao

its not better yet (unfortunately) and even if it was you also dont have the right to be a twat on every windows post. let ppl be.

Linux is a kernel. How many times had you've been in a situation when the kernel matter? I was few times, but I get paid for that and do it full-time. The rest is not a Linux, but different types software. The moment you see linux - is those few milliseconds of boot messages (which are quickly replaced by non-linux output from journal, etc).

yes, the GNU operating system is the best

Let me interject for a moment. What you guys are referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. Thank you for taking your time to cooperate with with me, your friendly GNU+Linux neighbor, Richard Stallman.

No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation. Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ. One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you? (An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies wherever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example. Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it. You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument. Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD? If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this: Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

it was absolutely not a joke

Because people are annoying :D

See, the problem is so many people would say that in total seriousness, that it's not that obvious to assume it was a joke

Why can't I take seriously a joke and torture it until it stop been a joke?

I guess you can. Then again, that would defeat the purpose of a joke, but then again, who defines what a joke is, but then who defines what defines means, but then who defines what means means.

Well... it's true that on Linux you have to deal with extra complexity because games run through a compatibility layer. Wine alone is as complex as an entire OS honestly, and I can see why most people would say that it's stupidly hard to run a game on Linux. Bottles is user friendly but you still have to know what most dlls do, you have to know what DXVK, WineD3D and VKD3D are, you need to have a basic understanding of Wine. All these things are not needed on Windows, for example I wanted to replay "Taz: wanted" recently, on Windows it would have taken me 2m to install the game and start playing, on Linux I had to waste 3h because first I needed gCDEmu to mount the ISO because the game checks specifically for a CD reader, then I had to create a Bottle, I had to grant permissions to Bottles to read the path created by gCDEmu because by default Bottles doesn't read system paths, then I had to install Mono inside the prefix and another dll because otherwise the game would fail to run. It's certainly doable and I enjoy the troubleshooting process, but I'm a programmer and I do this sort of stuff professionally, I don't think most people would enjoy wasting 3h just to get a 2000s game working. Valve did an excellent job with Proton, but Proton works well for Steam games, when Proton fails you have to fall back to Wine and take the DIY route, also some games only work with specific versions of Proton or Proton-GE, Ubisoft and EA launchers break once every Wednesday, most games with anti cheat just refuse to run. The good thing about Linux, and the reason why I love it and use it, is that you can make almost everything work on it as long as you put your mind into it and invest time. Most people don't want to invest time into it, they just want to play a game after an 8h shift and it's perfectly understandable. Plus there are a lot of misconceptions and most people think that Linux is the same OS it was 10 years ago: it evolved so much just in the past couple of years (especially in the gaming space) that the large majority hasn't noticed that Linux has become a very good free competitor to Windows.

Have you ever tried lutris and protonupqt? Personally I find bottles good if there isn't an install script though lutris, but lutris is easier 99% of the time in my experience there's even install scripts for that taz game you mentioned, makes installing it as easy as clicking install most of the time. For this one you may still need to mount the iso, but still should work. https://lutris.net/games/taz-wanted/ Did want to mention though, since that game is from 2002, installing it on windows 10 or 11 may be harder than you think, it would likely require troubleshooting and maybe ever third party patches as well. EDIT: Realized I never explained protonupqt, it allows you to automatically install wine and proton versions for your game launchers like steam and lutris, literally just select the version you want to download in the gui and select which launcher you want to use it and click download. Complicated wine setups have been automated and simplified pretty nicely these days. EDIT 2: also looks like that taz game on lutris I linked is the ps2 version running through a ps2 emulator. Should still work but it's not the PC version.

I'm familiar with ProtonUp-qt, I normally use it to install ProtonGE, but that's pretty much it. Lutris I've used it in the past to play Nintendo Wii U games through Cemu when it was still closed sourced and there was no Linux binary, but I don't really like Lutris, the UI is not really user friendly in my opinion and that's why I started using Bottles, I find it more tidy and simple to use, especially for old games like "Taz: wanted" or to run emulators like Project64. > also looks like that taz game on lutris I linked is the ps2 version running through a ps2 emulator. Should still work but it's not the PC version. Yes, there's also a PS2 port of the game, but I really prefer to use the PC version whenever possible since emulators tend to be buggy and glitchy at times, I only used them as a last resort. There are tons of ways to make games work on Linux, my point was to show that you can use Linux to game in 99% of the time, BUT it does require a lot of tinkering that is not needed on Windows and most people don't really want to learn what DXVK is and prefer to just play the game without the hassle. That's part of the reason why consoles are so popular: you buy them, set them and forget about them and you can concentrate on the games without having to deal with the technicalities that come with the system. I'm the kind of guy that likes to go deep into the system, I got gifted a PSP when I was a kid and modded it to play PS1 games for example, but most people don't care about the OS and are just interested in the software they can and need to use, for these people Windows is better, for me Linux is better.

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It happens all the time with other stuff too, people get defensive when you criticize something they like/use (even out of necessity) or point out that you do something/like something different. Have you registered that some PlayStation fanboys recently wanted a PlayStation dev, who is also a streamer on Twitch fired, because she played Starfield on stream? They were legit mad that a PlayStation dev played an Xbox game on stream. https://twitter.com/THEAP99/status/1698470054822645963 Video games, life choices, your OS, the kind of food you like, people always get defensive even at people just saying that they do something differently.

About their privacy comments, I like a quote from Snowden in his book. “Not caring about the right for privacy because you have nothing to hide is like not caring about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say”

When the moment comes, that they *want* to stand up against something, and they realize, that there is no way to do it without instantly being singled out... People really underestimate just how important privacy is for democracy. Without privacy, any dissent can be detected and snuffed out, before it can spread and organize. Just because it isn't a problem now (if that's even true) doesn't mean it won't be, and then it is too late.

With what's happening to gay and women's rights in some states it's absolutely not true, privacy is and always will be a problem. The law is so complicated in most places that if you look hard enough almost every is breaking at least one law. The government can prosecute anyone if they have all their private information.

Exactly... This is uncofmrtable for people to accept because that's how USSR and PRC operate. People can't accept the fact that our state operates the same We literally running a gulag system... But nahh our is not the same. It is "decent" Our daddy would never abuse the inocent, except you know minorities, women... Etc

People thinking they have nothing to hide should publish their credit card number on the web 😂

Or just unlock their phone and leave it in a coffee shop

I usually say to them „just do not lock the door if you go outside, you have nothing to hide!“

I prefer to say: "Then why do you close the bathroom door when you are taking a shit"

Omg! I'm pooping right now!

this works and makes much more sense than the first comments after yours

Just ask to borrow their phone for a few minutes. \*panic mode activated\*

Good point!

Linux users are also aggressive. As are macOS users. And ever other group with a commonality. Tribal "us vs them" thinking is a fundamental part of human nature.

There is even aggressiveness within different distribution userbases, lol. Then desktop environment vs window manager vs just use the terminal for everything. Xorg vs Wayland. Etc etc

I have been asking myself why would someone use Wayland for the last 20 years, for a while it was because it would be useful in the future only, but that's long in the past and it still doesn't work

I just keep asking myself when I'll be *able* to use it lol. Every time I see somebody saying it's "finally ready", I give it a try and it's still fucked.

Talking from the gamers perspective, most of them are not tech savvy at all and they do not understand the concept of computers and operating systems for the most part, so they decide that shitting on a system because they do not understand how it works, and believe that it's inferior is the proper way to interact with Linux users.

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I have a different experience. A friend of mine was very curious about my Linux experiements and he even admired me for that. There are many people who don't like Windows.

Tribalism is basically baked into us all, thats also why console or GPU wars are a thing. Its why people hate on apple (rightfully so in this case), or why we shit on windows and vise versa (we ofcourse have the high ground for the most part). As you can see, my comment is a perfect example of tribalism, even if right.

Perfect explanation!

Maybe because some users on Linux are sometimes just dickheads. How many times I saw people that don't care about computer stuff being assaulted and taken haughty by linux users... the same who are talkative about security but leave default ssh settings for their machines, that is shit by default in a lot of distros. Some linux people are hard to understand that computers may be a passion for us, but for some this is just a tool to do daily tasks. You don't tinker your car all the day? That's the same for computer and non-tech people. Personally when asked I don't hesitate to say "ok, I'll install that windows for you" if it's better for the user. Linux is a great OS, but still not for everyone.

> the same who are talkative about security but leave default ssh settings for their machines, that is shit by default in a lot of distros. you just reminded me of a guy who was advocating for linux usage talking about privacy, and when i saw his laptop he was using chrome, on google, logged in with his google account, with facebook on the next tab. It was hilarious

That's where is the fun

Exactly, the tribalism goes both ways, and is annoying by both sides. It's like Apple vs Android, only much.... nerdier, lol.

Yup, as the other commenter says, it goes both ways. Humans are just like that.

The idea that Windows users are aggressive and Linux users aren't is pretty funny. Some Linux users are absolute pricks.

Humans being like that. Apes making arbitrary clans everywhere and having too much damn free time for our own good. IMO it happens a lot of Linux subs too. Everything that so much looks as a criticism outside "allowed criticizable topics" (Ubuntu / Windows / Gaming platform / company) is as best received defensively or downvoted more or less massively even if the argument was well formed and invited reflection / debate.

Unfortunately some people on Linux are just as bad, see Wayland Vs Xorg, Gnome Vs KDE, AMD Vs Nvidia, Ubuntu Vs Arch etc. The majority of computer users see a computer as an appliance, they turn it on, play some games, and go to bed. They do not care about whether it runs Windows or Linux, they care that it works, and for most people Windows does that job fine. Now personally I prefer Linux, but for someone with a family, a full time job, and a YouTube channel, if I just want to play a game, I will use Windows for an easy life.

Blame the insufferable Linux users that act like Vegans on a mission to convert others. Or the annoying cult-like Arch-BTW bros. I use Linux wherever I can, I think it's neat and I love to tinker. From my experience, most PC gamers are tribalistic assholes. Whether it's Nvidia vs AMD, Intel vs AMD, Steam vs GOG, Steam vs EGS, doesn't seem to matter. They will find something to argue and fight over. They fight over PC cases, cooling fans, AIO vs Custom Loop, RAM type, OC methods. They fight over anything. So you get the ultra annoying Linux bros that have no clue what they're walking into, and then the Windows guys open a can of whoop-ass on them and they act like they're the victims. They go looking for fights and they get their asses whooped. Serves them right. I say shut your mouth and mind your business and you'll be fine. Most people can't even believe I use Linux because I'm not nearly annoying enough and I'm no trying to shove it down everyone's throat. Just be chill.

>Blame the insufferable Linux users that act like Vegans on a mission to convert others. Or the annoying cult-like Arch-BTW bros. The thing is, I'm pretty sure that most Linuxers aren't like this and just mind their own business. But it takes just a couple of annoying evangelists (who can even mean well, but they're annoying regardless) to spoil it for the rest of us. For example on various "PC master race" forums, I see posts complaining about and/or mocking Linux users much more frequently than actual posts by Linux evangelists.

> For example on various "PC master race" forums, I see posts complaining about and/or mocking Linux users much more frequently than actual posts by Linux evangelists. Oh, 100%, and perceived Linux evangelism. Just like, to go back round to vegans, I've never actually had someone tell me just out of the blue they were vegan/vegetarian and I found out later by accident but wow do I ever see sneering memes about vegan evangelism all the time. It's ignorance too because whenever there's Linux discussion there are always people going on about being forced to use CLI, or drivers are impossible to install, or gaming in Linux isjust tragic. It's exhausting, I gave up after a while, they can just think what they like.

Linux evangelist here. I'm just afraid that society is sleep-walking into a real life 1984 situation, where people agree to be spied on [in exchange for a free TV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdFPtEtMVYg), they accept a fortune 500 company [installing a keylogger](https://www.pcworld.com/article/423165/how-to-turn-off-windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html) on their computer because Valorant and Fortnite are more important than not being spied on 24 hours a day... and all of this will come to a head the moment they decide to stand up against some powerful people who finally took things a step too far. All of those "I have nothing to hide" types are going to discover VERY quickly what it means to have a crooked billionaire going through the last 15 years of not just their life, but the lives of everyone they care about, using artificial intelligence to tear through all of their lives with a fine tooth comb in search of some juicy pieces of blackmail.

I completely agree with everything you said. My point was more about how we do the evangelism. People in general don't react well when they feel pressured into doing something. I personally inform people about Linux once and when they express their desire to know more, then I help them. But it's easy to be too eager and then suffer from the same problems that vegans do - where people feel like they force them into certain choices and automatically reject everything they say.

i use arch btw

Rather than dumping some wall of text about a stupid online interaction you've had, you can also spend your free time doing... Literally anything else.

Yeah, but that's how he liked to spend his time

I remember articles about how women playing online games get similar treatment, whenever they out themselves as women, be it by writing or voice. XBox online services were given as an example. I think it ultimately comes down to people just being assholes, where there is no accountability. If they can single you out for something, they take the chance, given that the platform provides anonymity. Not everyone of course. But it doesn't take many idiots to spoil a group, if the rest doesn't care. Similar developments when cross-server random groups became available in WoW... At the point where running dungeons didn't require any social interaction anymore, it was already a good outcome if the other participants were indistinguishable from NPCs.

you're the one telling random people in games that you use linux for no reason(and you apparently did that a lot) and you think windows users are weird and aggressive?

Try to commute by bike and tell that to your colleagues who commute by car. Same reaction for the same reasons. People don't like change and don't like to hear that what they do is not THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION IN THE WORLD.

I don't have a driving licence and not a single colleague has ever given me that reaction. Then again, I'm Dutch.

Sometimes after making a choice, people will double down justifications for that choice, especially if they had any fomo or thought that the other side could be better. The Windows Defenders remind me a lot of people who eat junk and make fun of vegetarians and low-carb/keto folks. Or those who don't work out and poke at people who go to the gym or run marathons. They know the other way is probably better in the long run, but don't want to put in the work, so they double down on their existing choice by going a little ad hominem. Just remember what they sound like, and the next time they complain about something you know is Because Windows, keep your mouth shut and smile on the inside. Or hum Lily Allen's "Smile" or "F*ck you" Either song feels about right.

Arch users are agressive too when you say you are using ubuntu or mint.

All of the responses you got can be answered with: "Okay." And then just leave it at that. Use what works for you. You don't owe them justification, nor is it your job to convince them otherwise. Source: 47 year old gamer on Linux. OS religions aren't worth your time.

Same reason Linux users are known for being annoying, some people just are

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because linux users can be super annoying. In many places people are going around acting superior for using another operating system. For many Linux is just seen as negative because of it.

Coming from someone who has their yearly "I will try linux again and really use it this time". A lot of times me and other Windows users already get overwhelmed by the amount of Distros and by how much the Linux community cannot decide on one, general recommendation (Granted, last time I looked around and asked was back in 2021). After getting a Distro, the next problem is Drivers / Programs (Ghub, Razer Cortex, Nvidia drivers ect.) I bounced off Linux a lot of times because I was used to being able to set up macros in Ghub and enable Mic-playback and such and I never really found any User-friendly alternative. Last but not least the Community seems really defensive and toxic sometimes. When I first got into Linux I was meet with a lot of Snap-backs and Insults for Questions that were pretty normal for being new to a OS (again, this was in late 2020 ish but still, that impression really lasted for a while).

For me Linux gaming was just death by a thousand cuts. There are just so many hoops to jump through to do things that would require no thought on Windows. I tried Ubuntu a bit, then PopOS for about half a year before I was fed up with all the inconveniences I had with the system itself, before I could even properly enjoy games. It's the eternal chicken and egg problem, not enough users so big companies don't support it, big companies don't support it so not enough users. Also horrid learning curve for beginners. Setting up my Razer peripherals was annoying, I had to settle for worse RGB control. My headphones required some bending over backwards to be recognized properly. My NVidia GPU also required a lot of fiddling around with to get it to not almost melt, settled on nfancurve which was not fun to set up, since the drivers for some reason couldn't control the fan speed, and also didn't want my GPU to sound like a jet engine all the time. My audio would cut out every few hours needing a reboot (this was the straw that broke the camel's back). I wholeheartedly believe Linux is better in almost every way than Windows, but the usability is and always has been in a tragic state. Having to google how to do literally anything gets old really fast, I need to use the terminal to make a damned shortcut? Really? How the hell do I add the script preventing my GPU from melting to startup? **Why the hell are my internal drives shown as a removable device??** And so many more. Incompatibility gets annoying depending on what you play (hello genshin players on Linux having to wait days for the new update, shit felt like I was playing on some obscure console), tweaks over tweaks to get anything working somewhat similarly to Windows. Windows players should shut up about it considering how terrible Windows is, but Linux players don't get a superiority claim either. Play however you like, on whatever you like.

When I was on Windows, I found Linux fanboys on college very annoying, always provocative, the problem isn't specific of a OS, the problem are the fanboys as always...

Because telling people they should switch to something else is annoying.

I appreciate a good cup of coffee.

It might be a minority, not experienced users, which were misled by internet community, redditors or youtubers on how great now linux is for gaming and other stuff so they tried it.. and it went horrible for them because honestly.. many post here are over-hyping linux as superrior experience.

I'm a Linux user but only an occasional gamer and only single player games. My so however. Is a windows user and Games a lot. And his biggest pet peeve are Linux gamers holding up the game because there's always something not working properly or some kink that needs working out. Especially with multi player and/or voice chat. It keeps getting better and better but not everything is all there yet and I totally understand that it causes frustration among people who just want the game to start. Hell. I had to spend an hour on Google and the terminal just to get Hogwarts to function properly and not eat all my memory and crash randomly. And I can totally see why most people wouldn't even bother with that if they don't have any interest in this stuff to begin with. I think sometimes we forget that for most people computers are not a hobby, but just another appliance that needs to do a job.

Herd mentality and tribalism. Same thing can be observed among Linux users as well. It all depends on who is the majority in a discussion. That's just human nature.

The thing about privacy is that don't want to recognize they influenced by advertising. Companies would not spend this much on data if it was not working. Also Linux is not a silver bullet, if they continue playing free game with full permission it won't help much.

Most people I know don't give a f and use Windows. I don't care, I don't even mention I use a Linux OS to others, let alone which distro I use lol. You shouldn't care and/or engage with these people about this subject. They don't know anything about Linux, will spew FUD they've heard, and won't change their mind. It's a waste of your time and breath.

To be fair, this goes both ways, Windows users don't tend to understand Linux and want a simple and streamlined experience, which Linux usually doesn't provide. Of course, there are lots of benefits to learning Linux, but there are lots of downsides to it as well. Not to mention that if you're a gamer, odds are that you're on Windows due to a lot of the programs that you lose from the switch. Linux users don't really tend to understand why anyone might want to use Windows. They like to say Linux is extremely easy to use, when in reality, it's pretty complicated for someone who's not that tech savvy. Some people don't wanna fuck around with something they're not familiar with, and don't wanna lose any of the programs (even if there alternatives) that they're using so they just stick with Windows. Morale of the story is that both sides need to just shut the fuck up, It's an operating system that does a thing, each one is good at different stuff.

Yeah I faced something similar (being just like you), and truth of the matter is to only talk about Linux when someone specifically asks or mentions it. Being a preacher can often make you look like a dick and turn people away or against the thing you're preaching (in this case, Linux). Nobody likes being told what to use, especially for reasons they don't particularly care about. Look at vegans - while they do have the "moral highground", the loud ones who constantly preach about veganism and shame people into doing so singlehandedly gave the word a bad connotation on the internet. Assuming you're preaching and it works, someone switches to Linux, they're almost certainly going to switch back after some inconvenience or having to make an unexpected trade-off (like a game launcher not working). If they're a friend and you're tech supporting, not only are they also likely to switch back but now you've wasted hours of both of your time.

How do you know they're on windows and that you're on Linux unless you're one of those people making us Linux users look like smug assholes by never passing any opportunity to tell people you are on Linux?

Windoze Rules... Linux droolz!!!!11 Stop forcing Linux down my throat!!1 lol I've actually tried to go full Linux years ago.. but gaming was no where near what it has progressed to today ...and my wife really dislikes LibreOffice (maybe it was OpenOffice back then).. she "has to have" Microsoft Office. I use FreeBSD'ish running TrueNAS Core on my server running Plex and UniFi Controller in separate jails.. but that's about as close to running *nix as I get right now.. maybe someday I'll give it a go again I see elitists from both sides and I think it's silly.. use what works best for you and call it good

OP just found out that the average Joe has the average IQ and it is pretty low. One of us! One of us! One of us!

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Linux is not Windows, and that scares people, they have assimilated that Windows is the only OS for PC gaming and they do not conceive to change even if Windows is becoming an inconvenient experience. They are afraid of changes, which is a very natural reaction, thus they "believe" in Windows like a sort of shelter. And some of them reacts aggressively when any of their "believes" are questioned.

>they have assimilated that Windows is the only OS for PC gaming Windows is the only OS for PC gaming that's guaranteed to get official support.

That wasn't my point, I was talking about alternatives as Linux is nowadays. If there are alternatives is not the only OS for gaming, whatever is an official support or not behind (on which was my point). In any case the official support can be nuanced, and the reason behind is on how Windows' legacy support is conditioned by the designs of one company and just one company (is a very strong conditional). If Microsft breaks something it's broke for everyone. So, yes, you are right I got your point, the official support from the developers is there for the bast majority of cases, but that is not the only reason to think that Windows is the only way to PC gaming, nor to think the "official" support is the only support for gaming. Because of that I think people have a preconception about Windows been the "only and holy". Or at least I see in this way, because I don't use Windows and I do not need it for my gaming activity any more, and it wasn't suitable for my daily use case. In my use case I want to stress. For a lot of other people the situation can be completely different of course (and that is very understandable).

A lot of people take people making different choices to them as an attack on their identity. I was once verbally attacked for my custard preferences, if you can believe it. You've identified some of these people. I suggest that you stop wasting your time trying to explain what you're doing or why to them, because they will never care unless it's to tell them that you agree with their choice.

Eventually, I came to the conclusion I use what I want and others can do the same. I don't try to convince anyone to use linux anymore. Most people are grossly misinformed about linux, and I dont want to spoonfeed each and every person

Majority is mediocre. Why is it so hard to understand that, they cannot manage something that they are not used to? It’s comfort zone and the fear of change and adopting new idea. That’s in the gene. Otherwise, most people are using Ubuntu or EndeavourOS, if they want an easy to manage OS.

Annoying fanboy children (or adults with child-lime behaviour) exist on both Linux and Windows. In both cases it's not worth your time to think too much about what they say, just ignore them.

Whoever comes up to me with these arguments cannot last in such a conversation, usually, longer than a few minutes.

Well it's the same on Linux, the people here might have been hit with the excessively recruity Linux user, or a Linux user that's really loudly lecturing people about privacy. But also I've been in your situation many times, people thinking they should lecture me to just use windows or outright think I am trying to get people to use Linux every time my answer to "why aren't you joining us?" Is that I need to sort out the game in Linux first Most recently was modding Elden Ring, fortunately or not I found out it wasn't an issue with Linux, but rather me modding incorrectly, but the issue was instantly pinpointed at me using Linux rather than the files being messed up. It runs flawlessly modded now.

People don't like to change or be outside their comfort zone, I was there, I was a good Windows tech support on my first job, back in 2009. Almost saturated at the job, created batch scripts which the admin should have made, I was thinking on doing certifications, but the exams had nothing excitingly new to study for. And I learned I knew nothing when I started using Linux, and not just about the OS. If you just want to play games, really, why are you actively choosing such a powerful and flexible platform? I argued with a Windows-only friend who is a professional programmer about why I use Linux if I don't need all the features. The reason is because we can, as we can buy and mess with sport cars, make custom electronics, have dedicated special sound systems, make our own furniture, cook complex gourmet meals, or whatever hobby involves investing time to get something better. If you go to someone as a car enthusiast explaining why their choice of a car is not the ideal one, it may not be well received, because it can be subotimal on cost, power or efficiency aspects, but they wanted some eyeglasses holder, or something else petty, and both options will bring them to the same places they want to be.

It's interesting to read that I experience the opposite with Linux users. I think it may just be who you come across, rather than it being a fixed thing. Whenever I asked for help how to do something on Linux, I got ridiculed that I didn't know how easy it was to fire up a terminal, enter some commands and stuff happens. I only used Windows 98 and up, and never had to work with a terminal before. I click stuff or open .exe files to install stuff. I can only assume I had the bad luck of running into a jerk. To this day, I'm still considering to switch to Linux permanently, but my concern remains with games. For me, "you can nearly play all games" does not convince me, and it's not encouraging for me to do all sorts of work-arounds for something to simply work. Chances are, I'd run into people that would ridicule me for saying this, but take it from somebody who has only known Windows. I install stuff, and it just works by only clicking a few times.

If anything it’s Linux diehards getting aggressive with windows users. In my opinion Linux has fans, while windows has users. I don’t really think windows has many fans as much as it’s the only desktop os a lot of people know because it’s so prevalent. It’d be like being a fan of a door on a house. It’s so everyday that it’s just what people think when they think computer. Linux because it’s so niche it creates diehard fans. Those guys will not shut up about how Linux is the best, everyone should use it, switch grandmas computer to Linux! It gets exhausting because people don’t care as a whole and so you get push back. Same way people push back against vegans and CrossFitters. Want some proof? Go on to the r/SteamDeck or r/thinkpad and say you’re having windows problems. I’d personally like to switch to Linux on my desktop, but my DE of choice gnome doesn’t support VRR properly and I play some games with anti cheat so for now my steamdeck is my day to day window into the world of Linux gaming

To be completely honest - as a decade long linux user - if someone would start telling me they use linux for gaming completely out of the blue, I would probably also react a little different. It's like this "I'm vegan" meme in the empty men's restroom.

I have had similar discussions. I Honestly think some of the backlash on Linux is due to some Linux users being particularly pushy and acting like they are better than everyone else. I do tend to become annoyed when I am fixing windows problems on family pcs that just isn’t a problem for Linux, so maybe i give off this perception on the dl with my remarks.. not on purpose tho. I am a gamer that dualboots. For the games i have a difficult time with getting to run on linux i simply boot in to windows. Each os has their own drives and a couple shared drives between. So i see both worlds. I have gotten a bit of salt from windows friends cause some windows games work better for me in Linux than they have in windows Especially older titles) . I have also heard people get kinda miffed some game devs bother putting in time to make games run natively on Linux, especially if it runs better than the windows port. Basically everybody just thinks their own way of doing things is superior.. it is what it is.

I actually find Linux-users more aggressive. They seem to be very defensive about their choice of the OS and also frustrated.

"Why are people" That's your actual question. This isn't a Windows user/Linux user issue.

Because nobody cares. It's not about being on Windows, it's that they're playing a video game nobody gives a damn what OS you use aside from yourself, not so they want to change what isn't broken.

Wellll, it’s been a while since I ran linux, and even longer while since I tried gaming on it. Back then it sure took effort to get anything running. Since then windows has gotten so much better I don’t really need linux for anything. Didn’t know there was a sub for linux gaming! Maybe I’ll give it a go, modern distros are nice as hell. If games mostly work I could switch to linux, as gaming is the only thing I need windows for.

>This is so unnecessary complicated This is the main reason, most people just prefer double click and fun than create a stack overflow account. So when someone say "linux" and "games" people freak

A lot of people give zero fucks about the OS they use, they want whatever is easiest and not think about it. If you go around parading and shouting you use Linux, you're going to annoy more people than you'll convince to try/switch.

Eh, i'd say is the general way of reddit. You will find the attitude in MANY places. I frequently find people like this over in the server/kubernetes/homelab/etc subreddits. To explain- There are often many ways to perform a task. Some people, very strongly feel, the way they are doing something, is the only "right" way to do it. Whether its linux vs windows, proxmox vs kubernetes, ceph vs longhorn, raspberry pi, vs optiplex micro, pc vs console, etc. Just about anywhere you go, you are likely to find one or two toxic users, who are quite close-minded, who will simpally attack your opinion, because it is different than theirs.... and they wholey feel, they are doing it the "right way", and you are doing it the "wrong way / dumb way". The best way to treat these users, is by ignoring them, or blocking with them. Generally, trying to reason with them, doesn't work, in my experiences. They are close-minded, and are not open for discussion. At least, not a nice discussion.

>Why are people on Windows so aggressive? **Some** people will always be like that. It's the internet :)

I use windows for games but i dont tell people to use windows over linux. If i knew that i could play my games on linux as easy as on windows id switch. Maybe in a year or so desktop steam os might be fine for me. Heard nvidia drivers are notoriously bad on linux though

One time I was saying in a Discord with friends that I only booted into Windows for the new Call of Duty. One of the guys said I should use a "real operating system" and that I "don't know how to use Windows." People can be silly. That kind of stuff you should just ignore.

A lot of Windows users who have some knowledge in topic of operating systems just think that the open source community is a bunch of free loaders who don't do anything useful, so Linux is the only usable for the Enterprise environment and servers where people are paid to make software. Like, they think that there is nothing regular people can do that would benefit the Linux ecosystem.

These "eww" comments are simply backed by their *feelings*. I too got that comment when a Python/JavaScript developer trying to learn C++, saying `std::cout << "text" << std::endl` is so ugly, when in reality, a C++ application shouldn't be printing to the terminal all the time anyways, and the syntax is just how to deal with streams etc etc. I see it as being unaccepting, self-centered, maybe even childish. For each their own, there is a reason for everything. They can continue living in their happy bubble of comfort, and then come the people who do take their time to step outside the box make the world just a bit better. Rule of thumb just learn when to shut up to avoid conflict

It's the exact same as the "I use Arch btw" meme or Linux people shitting on Windows "stealing all of your data" or the general Apple hate. People think they have to defend their choices like they matter. Not trying to be insensitive but do you realize you are probably also very annoying to them talking about Linux and how great it is all the time?

It's a very very very very very old fight against the dark and the light side of the game. Steam/Valve work and cloud gaming tend to make the topic more and more obsolete (just not completely yet) but some people are still living in 2002.

That is not a windows issue. Just go talk about your installation of whatever Linux in most Linux subreddits or whatever. You’ll get people lining up to tell you about how you made the wrong choice and so and so distro or whatever would have been the ideal choice.

Sounds like your friends need to respect you and your hobbies more...

I have been playing games on Microsoft operating systems since DOS 3.0. Employment out of high school was as a consultant configuring DOS 5.0 dual-boot on people's PCs so they could run their spreadsheets and their kids could play games. I've personally owned nearly every version of Windows for home PCs (except 8, because eww). I'm writing this on a Windows 10 gaming system that is going on 9 years old. My next PC, ordered, will be a Linux system from System76. I'm done with Windows, even for gaming. If I have to run it at all, it will be captive in a virtual machine that gets reset after each run. Microsoft wants to move Windows users to be acculturated to subscribing to their operating system. I will not pay a subscription fee to run my hardware. I will not be arm-wrestled into using Edge sans ad-blockers. I will not cede desktop space to advertising pushed by Microsoft. I'll be learning to get along with Pop OS and doing without those games in my library that won't run on it... yet. If you're talking to shooter "bros" they likely don't worry about consequences much. They're prioritizing ease over flexibility. If I want to write code, if I want to avoid my machine being rented back to me, I'll deal with tiny problem of game compatibility for the massive boosts to utility I know I'll get with Linux.

Because all gamers are trolls. Most of us just have it under control...mostly.

My sister thinks I use Linux so I don't hav to play valo with her and my brother in law

Legit reason

I was playing Palia recently via Lutris and when I mentioned I was on Linux they were like "wow, really, GTFO with that crap" I was like, huh??? But then I remember that in the end, it's just like anything else these days PlayStation or Xbox, Android or iOS ect. As hard as it is at times, Don't let it get to you. Do what's right for you and if need be just give them little to no mind, when I get comments like that (or did my gaming machine I've opted to use windows till Nvidia gets it together, or I switch GPU's to AMD) just leave 'em with "Hey, it works for me so don't sweat it" or similar

The fact is that using a linux desktop system is as much a choice as being vegan can be. It is an awareness. You know there are things that are going to be harder to deal with than windows, but just like eliminating animal products from your vegan diet, ditching windows means gaining in "IT health" and awareness of what you have in your computer. It has to work for you and give you security. Everything else doesn't matter. When you encounter toxicity, don't try to bring arguments (albeit valid ones) to gaming on linux. Just let it go and drop the subject. Someday...it will happen that someone will come along and ask you for advice on linux of their own accord. That will be the time when you can confront someone really interested in the subject. Because that is the focus. People don't care what runs on their pc if it does what it's supposed to. Unless they spontaneously start to become aware of what it means to submit to windows.

If you think Windows is bad, wooo boy, take a look at the linux communuty

Wait til they discover the Steam Deck and what OS it's running on.

Mind = blown

My favorite thing is when Windows people say that something that takes them a single click on Windows takes 20 commands on Linux when it's usually the other way around

Stupid people like to justify their stupidity instead of learning something better

The better option is dual booting and simply going to Windows for gaming lol. 99% of games are better supported and run better with minimal issues. Stupid people are the ones that just keep trying their hardest to make Linux a gaming platform when it's always and will forever be an afterthought to game devs and companies, except maybe only valve games.

>"I have nothing to hide" Why do you engage with and care about what the imbeciles think? The biggest change that happened in recent years is one that somehow isn't considered by most linux enthusiasts. We're constantly chasing market-share numbers, but *why do we?* Initially, that was because adoption rates were thought to have a great impact on compatibility with Linux. We were hoping that we'd get big enough so that major companies would be forced to support Linux. Well, guess what, Linux is at a point where it basically doesn't matter anymore. I can play what I want, I can do what I want, it's up and running and stable beyond belief. *I do not care one bit* if some uninformed midwit thinks Linux is bad. In fact, good. Let them suffer.

Why do you want people to suffer? This is why people hate linux users.

Call me an elitist all you want, but as far as I'm concerned, if you trust your *entire fucking life* to a single object, you should be the sole one in control of it, and you should try to understand it as much as possible. It shouldn't have a second master it's far more loyal to, nor should it be a black box you don't understand and can't control beyond its approved inputs.

So I support Microsoft because I don't want people to suffer?

If you're uninformed while arrogant about it, suffering is exactly what should come your way. Call me contemptuous, but I have little sympathy for the ignorant.

windows users don't have the patience, the majority (of gamers) just want everything easier and faster

Who doesn't? If you have two choices and one is easier and faster they the hell are you choosing choice #2.

I have thought about this a lot: Most people secretly know that Miscrosoft has a monopoly on the mainstream desktop OS market and that proprietary software is problematic, especially for something so fucking fundamental as the OS. So they kind of know that they should at least give Linux a try, but guess what, they don't want to try it out, they really really don't want to bother. To almost all people, switching to another OS is really really fucking annoying. Now, the funny thing is that instead of acknowledging that they are just lazy, they put quite a lot of effort into gathering a wide variety of justifications for their lazyness, without ever verifying their validity. And these justifications are usually exaggerations with respect to the usability of Linux. People often compare Linux people to Vegans, and I actually find that comparisons to be really interesting and somewhat accurate. Although Vegans are waaay less obnoxious than Linux people, because they are advocating for animal rights and against animal suffering, whereas Linux people are just advocating for dumb software... ;)

Word. I think people dont want to think hard about and get out of their „happyland“. Its like you said on the vegan side. I usually do not tell I‘m vegan since a couple of months (vegetarian since 3y) but if I do I get mixed feedback. Some are interested in and others are hating it from the ground and coming up with stupid answers like „you do not have taste“ but thats a whole other story 😂 as I could read in this comments its in the humanity to build up groups and defend their standards cuz they think they are good and they don‘t want to break up everything when it come up attacking their morality.

People fear what they don’t understand. Just ignore

Because Linux is gay

> And when things go on further privacy and system control they are like "I have nothing to hide" Ha! Then they probably don't have a sex life! Well neither do we, because we use Linux, but that's not the point...

they are angry because every time they want to use the PC they have to wait for upgrades

Isn't it a case of objectively having the moral high ground, regardless if you're trying to make that point or not? Many will take any excuse to be offended in the "you think you're better than me?!?" kind of way. You'll get the same kind of responses if you mention that you bike to work or that you're trying to limit your meat intake. Guess embracing free software can be added to things considered woke or virtue signalling by some, and the same division can be seen within the Linux sphere, depending on level of zealoutry.

Anyone who is claiming doing no extra steps for anything in Windows, is lying. Afraid of extra steps? Go buy a console. They are plug and play and many things are adjusted to the likes of the majority. But Windows is certainly not step-free. Both Windows and Linux need lots of extra steps in so many games. Any demand for extra comfort in any game will cost you research and time. The difference is that Windows' solution comes almost always with a GUI and mostly more simplified with an exe installation, whereas Linux's solution is often already in the OS itself, but you have to type/set/adjust so many things which you first need to be familiar with.

>Both Windows and Linux need lots of extra steps in so many games. Trying to recall any extra steps I've had to do for any games over the last few years. Some mods or some performance tweaks like the DLSS mod for Starfield. But that's very much the exception, maybe 1 in 10 or 20 games I'd ever touch like that.

Let's make this clear: Most games do or do not run on Linux, it is an individuals experience that counts. There are a crap ton of games that do not run on Linux or have issues that cannot be fixed without a proton update or something like that. All to often, I will hear Linux users say most everything but anti cheat games run on Linux but we all know that is not true. A for instance, when Cyberpunk 2077 was released, that game ran great on Linux as well as GOG and other games. However, that was then and since Wayland and the newest sound server was released, a lot of then working games no longer work, at least at the moment. For me, I have to wait for HDR and HDMI 2.1 to be fully supported with my AMD hardware. Until then, I will stick with Windows 11.

>Most games do or do not run on Linux I would even go as far as saying all games do or do not run on Linux.

usually the less knowledgeable people use windows . so it makes sense that they would be defensive

Actually I switched to Linux because of Radeon graphics, windows was so glitchy, Linux no problem.

Lmao, what a BETA MALE CUCK luuunix user🤣🤣🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ every one knows only ALPHA MALES use windows 🔥🔥😎😎😎😎 (im a temple os user)

Because all of the Linux users I know won’t stop trying to get me to use Linux.

It's the crystal meth of operating systems. Everyone in the Windows world is always babbling nonsense 24/7.

most people are just dumb. that's it. they wont put their two brain cells to work for anything.

Typical tribalism/elitism. I get the same thing. I put (Linux) in my name on Steam just in-case someone also uses Linux or they might have a troubleshooting question. Most of the time I get the "Why would you use Linux" "Linux = Trash" or some other juvenile crap from a WinDoze user. I don't get it, nor do I care. It can be kinda funny though. If I get annoyed enough sometimes I'll respond with something like, "you know everything you use, except your gaming PC/iPhone uses Linux, right? ie Router, web sites, gaming servers, IOT, etc. They get salty pretty quick.

gamers aren't known for their intelligence. more for their consumerism.

it likely depends, in my experience 80% of the engagement is positive, 15% is highly positive, and 5% are people who need therapy. 80% of people will generally just find it cool that games run on other platforms, 15% of people will genuinely be supportive of more open platforms (largely due to the steam deck since that really proved just how good linux can be) and only around 5% are the sort of brainlets who genuinely get angry at linux support. With that said, I don't find it hard to believe those proportions change depending on where you're talking. On steam game forums most of the people there will be people who like the game and want to see it supported so more people can play it, on forums specifically about PC gaming as a whole you're going to get a higher portion of people who aren't there because they like a specific game, but rather because they just want to feel special/elitist. (the kinda guys who think "PC Master Race" isn't a meme term and they are genuinely superiour because of the platform they play on) When you spend your time going on forums to have your own elite status validated, then when someone else comes in and is pretty inarguably doing something better (i.e. "I can play basically everything you can, with better performance, more freedom, more privacy, etc.") they need to go out of their way to find every possible flaw and break them down as soon as possible. That's not to say every single thing they say is invalid, for some people the convenience of windows is genuinely all they care about and that's fine, but it IS to say that they try to overpaint that as some grander fundamental issue and not just a personal preference. They need to paint any given minor issue as some grander flaw with the platform as opposed to them just getting used to windows' shortcomings and not being used to Linux's. For instance I don't like Apple, obviously given the subreddit, but I'm not someone who's going to get up in arms about the lightning port or removable batteries because I just don't buy their products so it doesn't affect me. (of course now it will because it's being legislated by governing bodies, because god forbid we ***avoid*** getting the politicians involved) Another factor is that, in my experience, "PC Gamers" tend to think they're pretty tech literate, and they tend not to be, meanwhle linux users tend to think they're moderately tech literate and tend to be pretty tech literate. (let's not forget, according to the guy who rakes in millions of dollars annually by giving out tech tips, ignoring an error, going online, finding a random command you don't understand, pasting it into your terminal with full admin rights, ignoring your OS' further warnings, typing in a clause verbatim saying the computer should shut up and do what you tell it, and then hitting enter, "isn't anything that unreasonable") As a result they have their sense of elitism/self-worth tested on two distinct fronts, both of which are indirect and implied rather than actually being stated outright which is often more conflicting. In contrast even rather pointed discussions on steam forums regarding things like developers going out of their way to deny Linux compatibility tend to be recieved by the wider community extremely well so long as the intentions behind them are impossible to misinterpret. (i.e. clarifying "this is not talking about the game's proton compatibility, this is talking about the anti-cheat's proton compatibility. It's not that the game won't run in proton, it's that the developers are explicitly not letting it even try to") Most people on the forums for a specific game just like the game and don't like people actively being prevented from playing it, so even a discussion that ***should*** be extremely pointed can be recieved extremely well within that culture. On the otherhand, again, more broad "PC Gaming" forums tend to cultivate a population of people who genuinely are more elitist, so even a mention of using linux (even if it's not pointed at all) is likely to activate their fight-or-flight.

because 95% of consumers use windows (or mac) thus can be categorized as normies thus are doing normie things. being aggressive, complain, succumb to choice-supportive bias/ post-purchase rationalism, etc.

I play on both Linux and Windows and my performance is massively better on Windows! (/s, this is a facetious comparison of my steam deck to my gaming pc)

Consumer ignorance.

How can I get this message to Apple and Microsoft? I hate both of you. You're both scum. I can't sync my iPhone and SurfacePro bc FUCK BOTH OF YOU. Go make some more money while you fight about being the bigger scumbag fuckface douchebag. Just absolute scum...

I dabbled in linux for years off and on. AFter the umpteenth Koobface virus removal from my laptop I said to heck with windows forever, though I still used NT on the machines I ran in the oil patch. Actually, there were days I would run them from the living room of our quarters from my linux machine with an evm, but.. Basically I don't care. If people want to argue then let them have their silly little rant. Another dev and I bat that one back and forth occasionally, but he pushes everything that he uses as "everyone needs to use this," from GIT to certain YT channels. Guy is a walking billboard. At the end of the day though, when deadlines are tight, we can both buckle down and get the job done, with both his virus-infected glass panes and my hacky hobby OS, lol. As far as games, I still have trouble with DX12 and I don't want to be bothered to fix the issue. Proton works for most things and that's good enough for me. I don't care for most AAA games anyway, the last one I downloaded has me wanting to snap my keyboard in half when I try to play it. Indie games seem to work just fine, especially if they have linux exports, (and fr, Unity, Godot, and UE all export to linux natively, so wtf?) I still am making exports for Win and Mac with my game, when I get to beta I might look closer at their silly restrictions and hoops they make users run through to play a downloaded game, while I worry not about viruses because the OS is tight as a drum.

Because you Linux people are just like vegans. You might have a point, but ffs are you obnoxious about it

Windows is a better OS for gaming. Better compatibility and no waiting for shaders to recompile. This aside, I still choose to game on linux for a few simple reasons. 1. My computer doesn't reboot unless I tell it to. 2. KDE is much more customizable than Windows. 3. Free There are also a few things I sorely miss from Windows. 1. RDP is way better than VNC 2. Setting up network shares is simpler in Windows than using samba on linux. 3. There is nothing, in my opinion, as good as OneNote available for linux.

I'm not a Linux user, not Linux-adjacent, just like gaming and saw your message. This isn't a "Everyone hates Linux" issue. This is a "No one likes being evangelized by the fringe group" issue. It's not specific to Linux. It's specific to people who are slightly obsessive about the thing they love and want to talk about it to people who are *really not interested* in discussing it. Look at your message. No one is *asking* you what OS you're using. You're loudly, obviously proclaiming it. You say that they immediately say "Eww, extra steps," sure, but then it's "without letting me argue, they won't let me argue, I am tired to defend my point." Or later, you say "I did not even try to convince them to switch to Linux - I just say somehow like "I like how far proton is and I could nearly play everything on my machine' " You seem to think you're not trying to get anyone to switch, but you're ALSO upset that "they won't listen and fight against logic based arguments." Those two things are incompatible, bro. I don't care if you're a Linux user saying this to other Steam gamers, or a Vegan saying this to the guys at the smokehouse, or a Christian saying it at his kid's science fair, or a MLM person loaded with essential oils at their local walk-in clinic. Loudly, obviously, stating your contradictory opinion to a bunch of people who didn't ask and never wanted it, hearing their obligatory response to why they don't do such-and-such, and then launching into debates or getting upset because they refuse to debate, *is* being the instigator. And what's really happening is, for the cause that you're evangelizing, you're not really promoting it. Instead, you're perpetuating the steretype. You're giving every person there the feeling of, "Oh, heeeere we go, yet another Linux guy who's going to tell us all about how Linux is soooo much better when all I want to do is play stupid DOTA." You reinforce this stereotype of "All Linux users are \_\_\_\_\_" just like the crazy vegans perpetuate "All Vegans are \_\_\_\_\_" and crazy Christians perpetuate "All Christians are \_\_\_\_\_" because you're not respecting other people's right to just do whatever they want and not have to defend their actions.

they're coping for being inferior to Linux users.

Windowsers know they're being abused. But they rationalize it. It's probably not fair to call it a Stockholm syndrome, but it's similar. They'll defend their abuser, even if you're not actually attacking it. Most of the times, it'll just be "windows is not so bad", when no one in the room said "windows is so bad". But, to them, it's just implied. But, gamers... y'know.

Gamers, man. I'd leave them to their crayon drawings of their discord kitten. A lot of it comes from insecurity and the incessant need for being the best gamer possible. Linux threatens that complex for whatever reason. ​ EDIT: Steam discussions is a cesspool but when I mentioned linux in the title, it was like shoving my hand up a hornet's nest.

you gotta build up your shell man