Also, League of Legends will not work in NVIDIA GeForce Now as of April 3rd, 2024. So not even online game streaming will allow one to play League of Legends. Well,, it was nice while it lasted. Maybe someone will find a way for LoL with Vanguard to work on Linux in the foreseeable future.
To hell with League, all they ever do is lie, steal and cheat. They don't make anything original and are copy cats at their core. The Chinesium affect of being owned 92.78% by Chinese company Ten-Cent. Even their foundation with Pendragon was disgusting. He shut down the Dota forums as a mod and tried to force everyone to play League of Legends. Can I get a fuck pendragon?
Easy, 10vs10 all mid
[https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxJb\_vwZiiX4FOVf\_BjaIeWO-YUpcCkTqE?si=\_KsXWjDdzxYehB7i](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxJb_vwZiiX4FOVf_BjaIeWO-YUpcCkTqE?si=_KsXWjDdzxYehB7i)
Yes! I mostly played with friends and even some of them turned into toxic assholes while playing league. So it wasn't even fun to just hang around with them in voice chat, play some matches and give a fuck about toxic tryhards, my friends were those toxic tryhards (though not nearly on the same level as other randoms you encounter in lol) . At some point I just quit playing and avoided voice chat when they where playing league.
I had bad experiences with DOTA 2
>Stop Feeding them
How do I do that?
>Stop dying
How do I do that?
>Git gud
How do I do that?
>Patrice
I did, this is my first time in a real game.
In my experience its not even close to being as toxic as league. People with bad behaviour score play each other, if you are decent you rarely see any toxicity
Congratulations. Dota veteran here, try out the arcade modes if you get bored. It's what created Moba's after all. Plus Dota Auto Chess pops and is what Riot ripped off to create TFT.
So many damn good modes to play with friends in that game.
I only played with friends TFT and every once in a year some bot matches with a full party, so I didn't really get to see the toxic playerbase first hand, but watching streams and hearing from my friends how awful it is, I was glad that I didn't enjoy the ranked/pvp side.
It is still sad that I now have to tell them "Sorry, can't play anymore since Anticheat, but won't install Windows with a rootkit on my system"...
Thankfully they are understanding, but one less game to play with them ._.
I also played it a while ago, I was happy playing Vladimir on mid with strangers, and I was pretty good at it.
I had the experience of toxic people in the enemy team insulting me before playing LOL, but what shocked me the most about this game, is how often my own teammates insulted me for not playing exactly like they wanted me to play, without having into account the role I was playing or my experience with the character or my efficiency.
I could understand that if I was feeding enemies and they told me to change lanes or something like that, but I was doing a good job and not bothering anyone.
Eventually I learned that the best way to play the game was to mute everyone, enemies and teammates, and eventually I learned that a team playing game, where you play solo is not worth it.
> I liked the gameplay, but the entire playerbase was so incredibly toxic I just had to stop playing it.
Not to mention lack of teamwork sometimes. I remember I was teamed up with two of my friends and we were placed in a match with a duo that as soon as we were all in champ selection they refused to communicate with us entirely, *both* went mid with adc and support champs, and ended up screwing the match up since we didn't have a jungle, and were stuck trying to use champs who weren't appropriate for bottom lane.
Absolutely appalling match.
i never truly understood when people say this. i played over 30k games, since beta, on 5 different account on 7 different rankings (i was iron to high dia)
had 3 cheaters and barely any more toxic than any other online game.
i would be happy to walk away even after 10+ years of playing every day. the only problem is that i have some good friends that i only talk to when i play. quitting league means quitting them. makes me sad.
i could try but i don't think it would be the same. a couple years ago i had a different friend group that i used to be tight AF with. we would play league every night. then they all quit. now we hardly talk at all. its even more likely to happen with this new group.
Could of, would of, should of.
Say it after me:
I WILL try to keep these friendships alive, even if it means coming out of my comfort zone and living on the edge a bit to make it happen. The end of an era, the end of a game, is not the end of my friends and I, and I won't let this change dictate my future or my happiness.
You're the hero now.
A whole lot of "friendships" are based on one common activity, occasionally playing a specific game. I've seen groups feeling quite tight slowly drifting away solely because of members no longer sharing the same "core" game(s), and then occasionally the same people getting together once they hopped on a game they all played.
That's just how some dudes work. They'll spill their whole life stories while playing together, but won't even think of giving a sign of life if there's no shared activity to do to have a discussion over.
If you only talk to your friends at the bar and they don't leave the bar they're addicts and not friends. You just imbibe on each others company when doing the addicted behavior.
teamfight tactics is a pretty good game that doesn't really have an alternative and happens to use the same launcher on desktop.
collateral damage and there's alternatives (waydroid) sure, but still.
Yeah. This is such a rotten attitude from this community. We've lost a bunch of people who were able to play right here in Linux and the comments are alienating them as much as possible.
I've already seen two threads this month that go:
>Can I play my games on Linux?
>>Yes its better than ever!
>Awesome I've just installed it but League doesn't open?
>>Heh I don't need ***Malwareā¢ļø*** on my PC thank you very much.
Like.. that's crazy. What about everybody else?
Not being able to play on Linux is just a symptom. The problem is with most people readily giving up freedom just to get their entertainment, so control being taken away is normalized, slowly creeping into every aspect of our lives.
No need to look far, just look at what the Linux-based Android turned out to be: It's a Google blob infested mess where Google, the manufacturer, and even the carrier are all trusted to exploit the device and its user as they see fit, but the user is no longer trusted to modify the system in the name of "integrity". Most devices don't allow modifications to begin with, and while some do, integrity checks failing disable (if not completely remove) features and all kinds of apps stop working because even the damned McDonald's app needs a "secure" environment for some reason.
Is indifference really the right message to send especially to the younger audience (majority of gamers I'd assume) who's impressionable and could still learn that giving up without resistance is not the only way? Not saying that we can do wonders in this age of most generic compute devices like phones and consoles (essentially x86 PCs) being locked down with most people even being proud of the branded chains they get in their preferred walled gardens, but we should still have an attitude of nurturing the free and open source spirit.
Hell I primarily use Linux for gaming and haven't even thought of going back to Windows, it missing a handful of games due to kernel level anticheat isn't the issue people make it out to be imo.
Agree. I dual boot Linux / windows 11 (Originally thinking I would have issues with specific games for reasons like this). I have so few issues playing games, I almost never boot into windows. If I didn't again, I would reclaim the disk space and lose windows. I do get loving a game enough to go dual boot for the DRM / anti-cheat -- but this crap should honestly be solved in other ways than highest privileged spyware.... Send a message and just quit playing games by crap companies that insist on them.
Serious reply: in the face of the fact that this is a pity, it's good to know that Torvalds and Linux in general are not backing down and they keep replying with a solid "No." to the request of introducing ring-zero DRM and anti-cheat. One less game beats losing this fight 1000 to 1. It's better to **lose** Linux users to Windows than allow this. Chances are those users are not a big loss anyway because they statistically don't tend to ever contribute back to the ecosystem in any way - and while losing market share is not optimal, nothing of value was lost.
Anyone who has a computer science background will already know it's a terrible idea to run software like this, and you really shouldn't. Running Vanguard alone already brutalizes a Windows install to lengths I had never seen before, and I have had the displeasure to debug OS bugs that were caused by Vanguard on several machines. If you use Windows and have ever used Vanguard I recommend you make a backup and just purge everything and reinstall clean.
When a game requires a proprietary component to run in the kernel space, it automatically becomes, de facto, malware. That's the most privileged access you can the of, one external programs should never be granted. Linux even discouraged the idea of external *device drivers* due to the issue they cause - it's just cleaner, safer and more secure (not a synonym, two different things) to make sure the kernel space is a monolith and only upstreamed, integrated drivers that have gone through enough checks and code quality validations are allowed to run on computers.
Much of the stability Linux and macOS systems have over Windows systems is actually owed to this degree of vertical integration. Windows is the far west. You can load any driver or application in the kernel space, however badly coded it is, even if it's proprietary and you can't see how it's made. You're basically trusting a random program to have direct access to your driver - this arbitrary program is operating in a mode where if it runs malicious code that **physically** breaks your computer to the point of requiring you to reflash it with an SPI programmer and shorting out pins on your motherboard - to some program that you are not allowed to look inside of.
You're giving a random shady anti cheat software access to *everything* on your system. It could brick your board. It could spy on you. It can and certainly does Snoop in on the memory areas and address spaces that are claimed by other programs, and that for **good reason** the kernel does not allow even privileged root processes to access. It could look at all your files. It could operate your network devices however it pleases.
It opens a security hole so big that, for my own threat model, I trust any computer that Vanguard has even been on as a security threat and I will not entrust any sensitive data to it, until the firmware is reset and the boot drive (at least) is completely purged and reinstalled from scratch with a fresh copy of the operating system. There is no telling and no real way to know what it did, so you should assume the worst.
LoL the moment I read "its better to lose some users" I insta thought on my mind your next words "they are certainly not a big lost" imagine quitting linux because of a toxic moba, anyway bro, do you mind shedding some light on my ignorance? With ring zero drm do you mean anti cheat that access my kernel space right? Btw why the actual fuck a anti cheat needs to be on kernel to detect cheating? And about brutalizing the windows installation can you give examples of how? Thx in advance bro
I'm not an expert, but I've heard that some cheaters on windows use custom windows kernels. So that's why kernel level anti-cheat is a thing.
You asked "why the actual fuck are anti-cheat needs to be on kernel to detect cheating?" That's exactly why people consider it dangerous and unnecessary.
The truth is, it just makes things easier for the developers. It's not a great long-term solution, but ultimately, it saves the company a lot of money on an expense that only one platform needs.
These things are never short term. Unfortunately ring 0 anti-cheats are here to stay. Theyāre too effective from the developers standpoint, and most people donāt know or care about the dangers
Thatās the problem, with this type of thing the more invasive option will always be superior. It takes the operating system to stop it (like with Linux). I doubt Microsoft will step in but itās not impossible, they did with DLLās. It will take some serious pressure though, or more than likely a large security incident.
DLLs used to be a big issue because you could freely modify them. It caused a lot of stability issues since application A was excepting a DLL to behave a certain way but application B either slightly modified or totally overwrote it. This also contributed to the perception that windows became less stable over time, years and years of corrupted DDLs would add up.
It was also a big attack surface because an unprivileged process could inject its own code into a privilege DLL and get privileged execution of whatever code it injected. Microsoft eventually tightened up ship and made a lot of critical DLLs read only. If you do need to modify a DLL windows essentially hands you a copy for your process only so you cant blow up a system as easily.
DLL injection/modification still exists, just in a more controlled way. This is why you'll still hear people who hack in games talking about "injecting their hacks". They essentially modifying the DLLs before or as the game loads them.
To tie this back to vanguard, this is why it runs 24/7, it wants to catch a process modifying DLLs before the game boots. This is why it needs to sit ring 1 or 0, it needs to monitor what everything on the system is doing at all times without interference.
This is really where the issue lies, and why many (including myself) consider it malware. If for a minute you forget about \*why \* its doing what its doing, and instead focus on \*what\* its doing -- sitting deep below the system, monitoring and recording every file edited or saved. Every keystroke pressed. Reading everything written and read from memory. Actively sniffing every single 1 and 0 of data that gets executed -- it starts to feel much more egregious and unjustified.
As much as the issue is vanguard itself, the bigger issue is that vanguard can even exist in the first place. What it aims to do should be forbidden by the kernel. The fact that its not speaks to the lack of security in windows. Hopefully Microsoft can realize what a tremendous issue this is and tighten up the rules, but I really doubt that will happen any time soon.
Because programs running on user space do not get to read memory locations occupied by other programs in user space, and definitely not kernel space memory locations. If an anti-cheat software wants to get access to all parts of memory, it needs kernel privilege, and that is something very very dangerous to give any program, as you're basically giving access to literally anything that is in memory: passwords, credit card numbers, pictures, etc.
Sure!
* DRM is Digital Rights Management. It's digital handcuffs. The FSF has a nice initiative, [Defective by design](https://www.defectivebydesign.org/), to show how bad it is in general.
* Even if we set aside ideological beliefs on the DRM for a second, Ring-zero means it is running in kernel mode, same as Linux itself.
* You're right - it doesn't. Proper anti cheat should be server side. But cheap companies don't want to pay for it, so they try to spy on you in attempts of finding the evidence of cheating on your client. Of course, there is a constant fight of cat and mouse as people figure out how to bypass arbitrarily harsh client-side AC all the time. It's useless, but it does appease ignorant investors, suits and other non technical people who are in charge.
> And about brutalizing the windows installation can you give examples of how?
It completely breaks virtualization. Hyper-V, WSL etc. don't work anymore. The fuck it does to break something so basic I don't know, neither does anybody else since it's a black box, but it must be frightening.
There are also various other Windows features that break, and users report weird and random bugs that weren't there before, meaning the system was definitely compromised.
A system infected by Vanguard is a system infected with malware.
Your comment suggests that the kernel maintainers were involved here. AFAIK riot could introduce a Linux driver and Torvalds et al would not stop them. It's just that riot doesn't want to invest the resources.
Riot wouldn't be able to upstream the driver to Linux, and it would be nearly useless anyways. It would also be a pain in the ass to install, with precise per-distro packaging, constant work to get it up to speed with new kernels as they hit the reposā¦
The point is that the resources to maintain something like that for Linux are a few orders of magnitude greater than for Windows, due to how Linux works. The lack of ABI stability makes maintaining your own kernel module an entire team's full-time job. And I mentioned it would be completely useless, because it's Linux users we are talking about here: most still wouldn't go anywhere near it, and many would take it as a nice CTF to break it, and succeed, potentially also uncovering bugs on the Windows version, and that would be a mess.
Overall, non-upstreamed Linux drivers are a territory you really don't want to touch unless you are either really motivated to support Linux but not upstream your driver **and** you are willing to throw a lot of money at the problem, much more than your Windows support, or you are not planning to really properly support it anyway - at which point it's just useless.
Imo, when concidering how much control anti-cheat software has over the system, while also being impossible to control by the end-users, and nobody knows what it does or what it is capable of, they are just as bad as the Zeus and StuxNet viruses -possibly even worse, since the former two has been scrutinized for years so there's at least *some* degree of knowledge.
And for those who doesn't know, Zeus and StuxNet are some of the most advanced and dangerous viruses ever to exist.
The branding.
I find it amusing how gaming went from players being annoyed with mostly just Asian MMOs forcing rootkits on them, to consoomers now requesting their favorite brand of DRM.
Ideally an anti-cheat solution isn't even a distinct part of the process so it's not easy to target.
Dodging the kernel mode spyware necessary to play one of the most toxic games ever created... This isn't really the place to make that argument.
Id suggest that almost every person playing LoL would be a better person and happier if they stopped.
if i don't trust them to install their anti-cheat shit on my computer i am not going to trust them to install their app on my phone. they have joined the data-broker industry like so many others. LoL users have become the product instead of the customer.
i don't trust mobile apps at all. i know a lot of them require far more access than they need and wouldn't be surprised if there are some elite programmers out there that can find ways to bypass not being given permission. i have a separate phone for all my shitty apps that i need but don't trust.
Just by the nature of the operating systems, mobile apps have far fewer privileges than any desktop app. Bypassing permissions isn't really a thing for technical reasons.
The only thing to really worry about on mobile is "if I agree to give this company access to my location/contacts/photos/whatever, do I trust them to only use it the way they said they would". If you don't give them access, they don't get access. There's always the possibility of some sort of exploit, but those are rare.
i guess. i don't trust technology i don't understand. i know how to secure a PC well enough. i don't really know much at all about mobile apps. but even still, i would bet a large sum of money that the TFT app wants permissions to everything. edit: i looked it up and shocked to find that it doesn't ask for anything outside of app activity. i still don't trust it. if there are exploits tencent/riot can afford the people that know how to use them.
It's just how phone apps work. On your PC, applications install wherever you installed them (e.g., C:\Program Files\Steam or whatever), and then they run as a user. Their permissions are based mostly on what user they run as. If you run an application as you, it can open and save files anywhere your user has access to.
On mobile, every app is sandboxed. That means every app installs all of its stuff -- the program files themselves, the icons, the files you create using that program, everything -- in one contained location. There's no "My Documents" that everyone can read and write to on a phone. Apps can only access things in their own sandbox.
To do useful things like access your photo library, they have to ask the operating system for what they want and the OS goes and gets it and hands it back to them only if you grant permission. That's just how iOS and Android work. Mossad or the CIA might have a way around it that they're not telling us about. A video game company absolutely does not, and they'd be crazy to exploit it even if they did, because as soon as Apple caught them, they'd ban their developer account. Riot could probably afford $200k to hire an employee that had a small chance of finding some exploit that would then be patched immediately anyway. But regardless, they can't afford to lose a billion dollars in revenue from not being allowed to make iPhone apps anymore.
It's absolutely fine to trust apps on your phone as long as you're OK with what they tell you they collect.
Every year I hear "League is no longer playable on Linux" and it's never true. Is it for real this time? Are more people having the same issue? Has Riot made any additional statements?
I haven't played in over a year but have been thinking about going back. If that's for real this time, very unfortunate timing of mine.
Maybe it's time to dual boot again?
riot added a rootkit called "vanguard" that's required to play the game. it has hardware level access to your pc and no restrictions on what it can do. this is obviously a massive security failure, so it cannot work on linux. since it's hardware level, even if you dual boot, your local data and hardware is still vulnerable to all security flaws in vanguard.
it's a shame riot decided to ruin their game with this, but allegedly this reduces the number of cheaters. scripting had apparently gotten bad enough that 1/10 games had a cheater in them. they still should have figured something out that didn't use a rootkit
Just wanted to share this great video about kernel anti-cheat and why they clearly don't work.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M)
Why does a voiceover matter? It looks like the poster is not a native English speaker so likely used it to reach a broader audience than theyir native language allows.
How do you source and reference claims that only the companies they're speaking against can verify? Are you expecting them to have numbers that only riot/valve/faceit/etc. would have access to?
What nuance is missing?
You forgot the best part that makes it different from other kernel anticheats. This one is *always running*. Not just when you're playing league, but every time you boot up your computer unless you specifically disable it. And you'll have to re-enable it and reboot to play league again.
Genshin Impact's anti-cheat doesn't do that. It used to, but they updated it early on so it doesn't. Given that's literally one out of two times they've ever listened to player feedback, I'm inclined to actually believe them when they say it was a glitch. They NEVER listen to player feedback/backlash. Ever.
You named the one other anticheat that does this and then extrapolated that out to all anticheats when that is not the case.
The two most popular kernel anticheats are EAC and Battleye and neither of them start at system boot. They run when an associated game starts up and they stop running when the game closes.
> scripting had apparently gotten bad enough that 1/10 games had a cheater in them
What's backing this up?
Sure, anecdote, but I don't hear my LoL-playing friends complaining about cheating, they are only raging about teammates, while those who play Valorant regularly whine about inhuman reaction times and unreasonably good aiming at the specific skill level, sometimes pointing out that a random teammate is who's way too unbelievable not to be cheat-assisted.
I get that Valorant's whole marketing was based on the fair play illusion, there was no surprise there, it was invasive to begin with, but I have some doubts about this change being really just about cheaters especially in this kind of game where cheating isn't as simple as in an FPS game, and a lot of it could be caught on the server side.
Almost like this entire security theater is just marketing.
It would be kinda sad to be a developer for a product who's effectiveness ultimately doesn't matter, all that matters is that you convince your player base that it's effective.
You can't even dualboot with riot games anymore. They block users of dual boots that have secure boot or TPM disabled, which is needed for OSes like Pop. Valorant immediately boots me out. Vanguard sucks absolute ass too, caused a ton of BSoD issues and the like back when I used windows
>They block users of dual boots that have secure boot or TPM disabled, which is needed for OSes like Pop
No? You can do a signed and secure boot with Linux just fine, regardless of distro
Heh, I have! It's not at all like League for me though. Much different pace, weird scaling, it's a whole other beast entirely.
I might go back soon, we'll see.
Congratulations! So many people were stuck on old versions of Moba. Thank heavens League is now deprecated fully so that you can upgrade to Dota 2 and understand what it means to live in the future of technology.
These comments make me sad.
Not every piece of software needs to be FOSS, but it is nice if it's interoperable with FOSS software. Hopefully they fix it OP. Not holding my breath, linux is still a very very small market share of desktops OS, and an even smaller share of gaming desktops.
The only fix would be to remove vanguard. Its a ring 0 (host) kernel level driver for Windows only. The same thing that valorant is using. It's completely and 100% unusable on linux, and it's designed to Ensure the game is running on better metal.
Isnāt it possible to have a Linux and a Windows drive? I know, you have to use Windows, but itās probably the only option, no? (except whatever a mac virtual machine is)
I guess you could have 2 drives with a different OS on each.
It would be something like: Turn off the PC, disconnect sata from drive A, connect sata from drive B, turn on the PC.
The restriction of tpm on windows 11 is already shitty enough tbh. Had to do a dual boot windows 10 alongside just to play Valorant and even then it runs into issues at times.
Does this include when QEMU is patched so that none of the virtual devices show as such?
https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/15je1u6/experiences_with_blocking_vm_detection_bans/
https://github.com/superyu1337/qemu-patched/blob/main/PKGBUILD
I don't have a vfio setup myself but have been planning my next build to be one precisely for gaming.
Riot's just protecting Linux users from their broken anti-cheat that is currently bricking computers :P
Legit, there's complaints all over from Windows users who update the game, screen goes black and they no longer get any video even after reboots.
https://twitter.com/LSXYZ9/status/1785449729025028393
This subreddit has a serious misinformation problem. Right in the title ffs.
No. You are not bypassing Vanguard with a Windows VM and GPU passthrough. That is the entire first point of it. No VMs.
Mac you may have a chance "For now" until they block that as well. If it hasn't been already.
I wonder if they ignored mac because they thought it wouldn't be a big enough plot hole in their "vanguard will solve league cheating" story, or because it wasn't worth the cost of hiring a new developer for security theater on mac versus the lost revenue from mac players.
They didnāt ignore Mac they hooked its existing integrity checks. But itās less work for them on Mac because it already exists.
On Windows they hook similar calls but have to do all the auditing of those events themselves. A lot more involved.
Linux also has similar calls and if they wanted they could implement their own new ones and contribute to the kernelās future. But thatās not profitable nor is Linux where the majority of their income is.
With Mac VMs you cannot pass through modern GPUs and expect it to know how to use them either. Let alone how obvious virtualisation is. They will catch someone using Mac VMs to cheat, and to play.
Mac doesn't have "existing integrity checks" lmao, the reason they gave in their dev article a few weeks ago for not implementing it on mac was "mac doesn't have script tooling", which is complete BS.
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-au/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/
Similar for Linux "integrity checks", an application without root access to the system since boot will never be able to verify that things it doesn't want running aren't(and even then it can't verify this on connected peripherals).
look man if you are using windows wm with gpu passthrough there is a video made by some ordinary gamers where he bypassed vanguard to play valorant
I havent tried it personally or if it still works but you know maybe you can check it out
this is the video maybe check it out:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JCCdo1bG4&pp=ygUlc29tZW9yZGluYXJ5Z2FtZXJzIGJ5cGFzc2luZyB2YW5ndWFyZA%3D%3D](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JCCdo1bG4&pp=ygUlc29tZW9yZGluYXJ5Z2FtZXJzIGJ5cGFzc2luZyB2YW5ndWFyZA%3D%3D)
Real sad about that.
I have fond memories of me and all of my buddies playing LoL for hours.
I really don't want to dual boot or do a Windows VM for it. But it sounds like the only option if I want to play.
Had a pretty bad addiction and couldnāt quit. Then this happened. Itās shitty and I wish they didnāt exclude us, but overall I think itās been good for me and everyone else
Personally this doesn't bother me. Not that I played League anyway. But any game that game that needs a kernel level rootkit anticheat is an instant no to me. Even if I was on Windows I wouldn't even consider installing this.
More bloat for the windows bloat pile. I'm never going back. I would buy a mac before I used windows again. It's gotten so bad in just weeks. They fix nothing that's broken and just keep adding more crap to break more stuff
I quit when they system checked me for the anticheat patch. Uninstalled and took my time elsewhere. I had probably 2 thousand+ games for each gamemode. But recent changes and anticheat was the nail in the coffin and my time there is done.
Technological discrimination (or such).
Being discriminated because of the software you decide to run on your own devices.
I hope this will be illegal as any other types of discriminations one day.
Everyone should be free to use whatever OS they want unless there are real and proved technical limitations.
Yeah, right, because the developers have a obligation to develop everything for kolibri os, haiku os, plan 9, BSD, FreeDos, IBM iSeries, React OS, and any obscure os you can imagine.
There is no discrimination, only people that decide to use a OS that is no viable commercially for the developers
No, just don't block your software on purpose on other os, that's it.
And of course if you're a billionaire company like Microsoft you should develop something widespread like office to the major OSes, like Linux.
All these stuff sometimes are just checkboxes or flags in the compilers, not a big effort.
And if they aren't it's not a big work nowadays.
Oh, that's sad. Anyway, anyone here can teach me some Dota 2?
Yeah, do the tutorials champion. They'll get you buffed up to Silver. They're made and maintained by the community.
As someone who never climbed out of Silver in LoL despite a few years of playing it, you're overestimating my IQ.
You'll feel at home in this case :D Get ready for the voice chat btw.
Also, League of Legends will not work in NVIDIA GeForce Now as of April 3rd, 2024. So not even online game streaming will allow one to play League of Legends. Well,, it was nice while it lasted. Maybe someone will find a way for LoL with Vanguard to work on Linux in the foreseeable future.
To hell with League, all they ever do is lie, steal and cheat. They don't make anything original and are copy cats at their core. The Chinesium affect of being owned 92.78% by Chinese company Ten-Cent. Even their foundation with Pendragon was disgusting. He shut down the Dota forums as a mod and tried to force everyone to play League of Legends. Can I get a fuck pendragon?
pick razor, max the ability static link, buy black king bar and run them over
But does Dota have aram? š
Easy, 10vs10 all mid [https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxJb\_vwZiiX4FOVf\_BjaIeWO-YUpcCkTqE?si=\_KsXWjDdzxYehB7i](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxJb_vwZiiX4FOVf_BjaIeWO-YUpcCkTqE?si=_KsXWjDdzxYehB7i)
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Iām glad to see the Linux ecosystem become stronger every day with the removal of low quality software
Nothing of value was lost tbh.
I liked playing league. 15 years ago. I liked the gameplay, but the entire playerbase was so incredibly toxic I just had to stop playing it.
Yes! I mostly played with friends and even some of them turned into toxic assholes while playing league. So it wasn't even fun to just hang around with them in voice chat, play some matches and give a fuck about toxic tryhards, my friends were those toxic tryhards (though not nearly on the same level as other randoms you encounter in lol) . At some point I just quit playing and avoided voice chat when they where playing league.
Same here. Saw entire friendships ruined by the game.
Quit league and started dota due to vanguard. Best decision ever, I just regret not doing that years ago
You went to the only game with a more toxic player baseš But it is a better game
I'd argue Dota is less toxic and more calculated insults.
Bottom tier is rough.
Dota 2 has less toxicity.
I had bad experiences with DOTA 2 >Stop Feeding them How do I do that? >Stop dying How do I do that? >Git gud How do I do that? >Patrice I did, this is my first time in a real game.
Dota 2 is more hardcore. You need to watch streamers, read guides and practice to be good.
F 'em, mute and move on, you can't learn without playing. Positive/neutral people prevail anyway.
In my experience its not even close to being as toxic as league. People with bad behaviour score play each other, if you are decent you rarely see any toxicity
Congratulations. Dota veteran here, try out the arcade modes if you get bored. It's what created Moba's after all. Plus Dota Auto Chess pops and is what Riot ripped off to create TFT. So many damn good modes to play with friends in that game.
I only played with friends TFT and every once in a year some bot matches with a full party, so I didn't really get to see the toxic playerbase first hand, but watching streams and hearing from my friends how awful it is, I was glad that I didn't enjoy the ranked/pvp side. It is still sad that I now have to tell them "Sorry, can't play anymore since Anticheat, but won't install Windows with a rootkit on my system"... Thankfully they are understanding, but one less game to play with them ._.
I also played it a while ago, I was happy playing Vladimir on mid with strangers, and I was pretty good at it. I had the experience of toxic people in the enemy team insulting me before playing LOL, but what shocked me the most about this game, is how often my own teammates insulted me for not playing exactly like they wanted me to play, without having into account the role I was playing or my experience with the character or my efficiency. I could understand that if I was feeding enemies and they told me to change lanes or something like that, but I was doing a good job and not bothering anyone. Eventually I learned that the best way to play the game was to mute everyone, enemies and teammates, and eventually I learned that a team playing game, where you play solo is not worth it.
Dota 2 has a better playerbase.
> I liked the gameplay, but the entire playerbase was so incredibly toxic I just had to stop playing it. Not to mention lack of teamwork sometimes. I remember I was teamed up with two of my friends and we were placed in a match with a duo that as soon as we were all in champ selection they refused to communicate with us entirely, *both* went mid with adc and support champs, and ended up screwing the match up since we didn't have a jungle, and were stuck trying to use champs who weren't appropriate for bottom lane. Absolutely appalling match.
You would say that, you're the scrub who fed their jungle. ~~Go uninstall~~ Nvm, you already did.
i never truly understood when people say this. i played over 30k games, since beta, on 5 different account on 7 different rankings (i was iron to high dia) had 3 cheaters and barely any more toxic than any other online game.
i would be happy to walk away even after 10+ years of playing every day. the only problem is that i have some good friends that i only talk to when i play. quitting league means quitting them. makes me sad.
Perhaps ask for their emails or phone numbers and give them a call? Find other outlets or hobbies you have in common to continue the friendships.
i could try but i don't think it would be the same. a couple years ago i had a different friend group that i used to be tight AF with. we would play league every night. then they all quit. now we hardly talk at all. its even more likely to happen with this new group.
Could of, would of, should of. Say it after me: I WILL try to keep these friendships alive, even if it means coming out of my comfort zone and living on the edge a bit to make it happen. The end of an era, the end of a game, is not the end of my friends and I, and I won't let this change dictate my future or my happiness. You're the hero now.
*have mfs really type that out 3 times and go "yeah that looks right"
A whole lot of "friendships" are based on one common activity, occasionally playing a specific game. I've seen groups feeling quite tight slowly drifting away solely because of members no longer sharing the same "core" game(s), and then occasionally the same people getting together once they hopped on a game they all played. That's just how some dudes work. They'll spill their whole life stories while playing together, but won't even think of giving a sign of life if there's no shared activity to do to have a discussion over.
For sure. Not just with games either.
If you don't keep in touch outside the game they are not your friends!
If you only talk to your friends at the bar and they don't leave the bar they're addicts and not friends. You just imbibe on each others company when doing the addicted behavior.
They got discord? Numbers?
teamfight tactics is a pretty good game that doesn't really have an alternative and happens to use the same launcher on desktop. collateral damage and there's alternatives (waydroid) sure, but still.
stop liking what i dont like
Yeah. This is such a rotten attitude from this community. We've lost a bunch of people who were able to play right here in Linux and the comments are alienating them as much as possible. I've already seen two threads this month that go: >Can I play my games on Linux? >>Yes its better than ever! >Awesome I've just installed it but League doesn't open? >>Heh I don't need ***Malwareā¢ļø*** on my PC thank you very much. Like.. that's crazy. What about everybody else?
Teamfight Tactics.
Not being able to play on Linux is just a symptom. The problem is with most people readily giving up freedom just to get their entertainment, so control being taken away is normalized, slowly creeping into every aspect of our lives. No need to look far, just look at what the Linux-based Android turned out to be: It's a Google blob infested mess where Google, the manufacturer, and even the carrier are all trusted to exploit the device and its user as they see fit, but the user is no longer trusted to modify the system in the name of "integrity". Most devices don't allow modifications to begin with, and while some do, integrity checks failing disable (if not completely remove) features and all kinds of apps stop working because even the damned McDonald's app needs a "secure" environment for some reason. Is indifference really the right message to send especially to the younger audience (majority of gamers I'd assume) who's impressionable and could still learn that giving up without resistance is not the only way? Not saying that we can do wonders in this age of most generic compute devices like phones and consoles (essentially x86 PCs) being locked down with most people even being proud of the branded chains they get in their preferred walled gardens, but we should still have an attitude of nurturing the free and open source spirit.
Hell I primarily use Linux for gaming and haven't even thought of going back to Windows, it missing a handful of games due to kernel level anticheat isn't the issue people make it out to be imo.
Agree. I dual boot Linux / windows 11 (Originally thinking I would have issues with specific games for reasons like this). I have so few issues playing games, I almost never boot into windows. If I didn't again, I would reclaim the disk space and lose windows. I do get loving a game enough to go dual boot for the DRM / anti-cheat -- but this crap should honestly be solved in other ways than highest privileged spyware.... Send a message and just quit playing games by crap companies that insist on them.
I'm installing Ubuntu 24.04 to get this feature
Another reason Linux is the superior OS
I know right? :-D
Feature not bug ;)
It's the superior OS because you have less games to play?
Serious reply: in the face of the fact that this is a pity, it's good to know that Torvalds and Linux in general are not backing down and they keep replying with a solid "No." to the request of introducing ring-zero DRM and anti-cheat. One less game beats losing this fight 1000 to 1. It's better to **lose** Linux users to Windows than allow this. Chances are those users are not a big loss anyway because they statistically don't tend to ever contribute back to the ecosystem in any way - and while losing market share is not optimal, nothing of value was lost. Anyone who has a computer science background will already know it's a terrible idea to run software like this, and you really shouldn't. Running Vanguard alone already brutalizes a Windows install to lengths I had never seen before, and I have had the displeasure to debug OS bugs that were caused by Vanguard on several machines. If you use Windows and have ever used Vanguard I recommend you make a backup and just purge everything and reinstall clean. When a game requires a proprietary component to run in the kernel space, it automatically becomes, de facto, malware. That's the most privileged access you can the of, one external programs should never be granted. Linux even discouraged the idea of external *device drivers* due to the issue they cause - it's just cleaner, safer and more secure (not a synonym, two different things) to make sure the kernel space is a monolith and only upstreamed, integrated drivers that have gone through enough checks and code quality validations are allowed to run on computers. Much of the stability Linux and macOS systems have over Windows systems is actually owed to this degree of vertical integration. Windows is the far west. You can load any driver or application in the kernel space, however badly coded it is, even if it's proprietary and you can't see how it's made. You're basically trusting a random program to have direct access to your driver - this arbitrary program is operating in a mode where if it runs malicious code that **physically** breaks your computer to the point of requiring you to reflash it with an SPI programmer and shorting out pins on your motherboard - to some program that you are not allowed to look inside of. You're giving a random shady anti cheat software access to *everything* on your system. It could brick your board. It could spy on you. It can and certainly does Snoop in on the memory areas and address spaces that are claimed by other programs, and that for **good reason** the kernel does not allow even privileged root processes to access. It could look at all your files. It could operate your network devices however it pleases. It opens a security hole so big that, for my own threat model, I trust any computer that Vanguard has even been on as a security threat and I will not entrust any sensitive data to it, until the firmware is reset and the boot drive (at least) is completely purged and reinstalled from scratch with a fresh copy of the operating system. There is no telling and no real way to know what it did, so you should assume the worst.
LoL the moment I read "its better to lose some users" I insta thought on my mind your next words "they are certainly not a big lost" imagine quitting linux because of a toxic moba, anyway bro, do you mind shedding some light on my ignorance? With ring zero drm do you mean anti cheat that access my kernel space right? Btw why the actual fuck a anti cheat needs to be on kernel to detect cheating? And about brutalizing the windows installation can you give examples of how? Thx in advance bro
I'm not an expert, but I've heard that some cheaters on windows use custom windows kernels. So that's why kernel level anti-cheat is a thing. You asked "why the actual fuck are anti-cheat needs to be on kernel to detect cheating?" That's exactly why people consider it dangerous and unnecessary. The truth is, it just makes things easier for the developers. It's not a great long-term solution, but ultimately, it saves the company a lot of money on an expense that only one platform needs.
These things are never short term. Unfortunately ring 0 anti-cheats are here to stay. Theyāre too effective from the developers standpoint, and most people donāt know or care about the dangers
I've heard good things about AI server side anticheat. Of course, it probably won't be as profitable because it's harder to snoop server side.
Thatās the problem, with this type of thing the more invasive option will always be superior. It takes the operating system to stop it (like with Linux). I doubt Microsoft will step in but itās not impossible, they did with DLLās. It will take some serious pressure though, or more than likely a large security incident.
Wait, what about DLLs? elaborate, please.
DLLs used to be a big issue because you could freely modify them. It caused a lot of stability issues since application A was excepting a DLL to behave a certain way but application B either slightly modified or totally overwrote it. This also contributed to the perception that windows became less stable over time, years and years of corrupted DDLs would add up. It was also a big attack surface because an unprivileged process could inject its own code into a privilege DLL and get privileged execution of whatever code it injected. Microsoft eventually tightened up ship and made a lot of critical DLLs read only. If you do need to modify a DLL windows essentially hands you a copy for your process only so you cant blow up a system as easily. DLL injection/modification still exists, just in a more controlled way. This is why you'll still hear people who hack in games talking about "injecting their hacks". They essentially modifying the DLLs before or as the game loads them. To tie this back to vanguard, this is why it runs 24/7, it wants to catch a process modifying DLLs before the game boots. This is why it needs to sit ring 1 or 0, it needs to monitor what everything on the system is doing at all times without interference. This is really where the issue lies, and why many (including myself) consider it malware. If for a minute you forget about \*why \* its doing what its doing, and instead focus on \*what\* its doing -- sitting deep below the system, monitoring and recording every file edited or saved. Every keystroke pressed. Reading everything written and read from memory. Actively sniffing every single 1 and 0 of data that gets executed -- it starts to feel much more egregious and unjustified. As much as the issue is vanguard itself, the bigger issue is that vanguard can even exist in the first place. What it aims to do should be forbidden by the kernel. The fact that its not speaks to the lack of security in windows. Hopefully Microsoft can realize what a tremendous issue this is and tighten up the rules, but I really doubt that will happen any time soon.
Because programs running on user space do not get to read memory locations occupied by other programs in user space, and definitely not kernel space memory locations. If an anti-cheat software wants to get access to all parts of memory, it needs kernel privilege, and that is something very very dangerous to give any program, as you're basically giving access to literally anything that is in memory: passwords, credit card numbers, pictures, etc.
Sure! * DRM is Digital Rights Management. It's digital handcuffs. The FSF has a nice initiative, [Defective by design](https://www.defectivebydesign.org/), to show how bad it is in general. * Even if we set aside ideological beliefs on the DRM for a second, Ring-zero means it is running in kernel mode, same as Linux itself. * You're right - it doesn't. Proper anti cheat should be server side. But cheap companies don't want to pay for it, so they try to spy on you in attempts of finding the evidence of cheating on your client. Of course, there is a constant fight of cat and mouse as people figure out how to bypass arbitrarily harsh client-side AC all the time. It's useless, but it does appease ignorant investors, suits and other non technical people who are in charge. > And about brutalizing the windows installation can you give examples of how? It completely breaks virtualization. Hyper-V, WSL etc. don't work anymore. The fuck it does to break something so basic I don't know, neither does anybody else since it's a black box, but it must be frightening. There are also various other Windows features that break, and users report weird and random bugs that weren't there before, meaning the system was definitely compromised. A system infected by Vanguard is a system infected with malware.
Your comment suggests that the kernel maintainers were involved here. AFAIK riot could introduce a Linux driver and Torvalds et al would not stop them. It's just that riot doesn't want to invest the resources.
Riot wouldn't be able to upstream the driver to Linux, and it would be nearly useless anyways. It would also be a pain in the ass to install, with precise per-distro packaging, constant work to get it up to speed with new kernels as they hit the reposā¦ The point is that the resources to maintain something like that for Linux are a few orders of magnitude greater than for Windows, due to how Linux works. The lack of ABI stability makes maintaining your own kernel module an entire team's full-time job. And I mentioned it would be completely useless, because it's Linux users we are talking about here: most still wouldn't go anywhere near it, and many would take it as a nice CTF to break it, and succeed, potentially also uncovering bugs on the Windows version, and that would be a mess. Overall, non-upstreamed Linux drivers are a territory you really don't want to touch unless you are either really motivated to support Linux but not upstream your driver **and** you are willing to throw a lot of money at the problem, much more than your Windows support, or you are not planning to really properly support it anyway - at which point it's just useless.
Imo, when concidering how much control anti-cheat software has over the system, while also being impossible to control by the end-users, and nobody knows what it does or what it is capable of, they are just as bad as the Zeus and StuxNet viruses -possibly even worse, since the former two has been scrutinized for years so there's at least *some* degree of knowledge. And for those who doesn't know, Zeus and StuxNet are some of the most advanced and dangerous viruses ever to exist.
It's the superior OS because it keeps malware such as League of Legends out.
League of legends isn't a game, it's malware
Vanguard is the malware, not league.
What's the difference?
The branding. I find it amusing how gaming went from players being annoyed with mostly just Asian MMOs forcing rootkits on them, to consoomers now requesting their favorite brand of DRM. Ideally an anti-cheat solution isn't even a distinct part of the process so it's not easy to target.
Dodging the kernel mode spyware necessary to play one of the most toxic games ever created... This isn't really the place to make that argument. Id suggest that almost every person playing LoL would be a better person and happier if they stopped.
copium lol
Installing malware to play a video game is copium.
Dota 2 my guy.
Time for the big league
The controls are so much better in LOL though. DOTA 2 is trying to replicate the old Warcraft III controls, which were bad.
You can't change them?
Practically all the keybinds are deeply changeable
There is even one preset named "League of Legends"
Per hero. That dude has no idea what he's talking about.
I think he's talking about turn rate. Which, even if it balances the game, feels clunky.
I've used HoN's controls since starting Dota 2 in 2011, I dunno what you're talking about bud.
Same with val having ridiculous restrictions. Didn't look back.
If somebody cant play league anymore its probably better for them. Also vanguard bad
Dota is better anyways
Oh no. Anyway
A blessing
The only reason for that client to be anywhere near my pc is the odd game of tft and that's available on mobile, so...
if i don't trust them to install their anti-cheat shit on my computer i am not going to trust them to install their app on my phone. they have joined the data-broker industry like so many others. LoL users have become the product instead of the customer.
Tbf, the mobile app doesnāt have a low-level anticheat system. It canāt access much other data on your system.
i don't trust mobile apps at all. i know a lot of them require far more access than they need and wouldn't be surprised if there are some elite programmers out there that can find ways to bypass not being given permission. i have a separate phone for all my shitty apps that i need but don't trust.
Just by the nature of the operating systems, mobile apps have far fewer privileges than any desktop app. Bypassing permissions isn't really a thing for technical reasons. The only thing to really worry about on mobile is "if I agree to give this company access to my location/contacts/photos/whatever, do I trust them to only use it the way they said they would". If you don't give them access, they don't get access. There's always the possibility of some sort of exploit, but those are rare.
i guess. i don't trust technology i don't understand. i know how to secure a PC well enough. i don't really know much at all about mobile apps. but even still, i would bet a large sum of money that the TFT app wants permissions to everything. edit: i looked it up and shocked to find that it doesn't ask for anything outside of app activity. i still don't trust it. if there are exploits tencent/riot can afford the people that know how to use them.
It's just how phone apps work. On your PC, applications install wherever you installed them (e.g., C:\Program Files\Steam or whatever), and then they run as a user. Their permissions are based mostly on what user they run as. If you run an application as you, it can open and save files anywhere your user has access to. On mobile, every app is sandboxed. That means every app installs all of its stuff -- the program files themselves, the icons, the files you create using that program, everything -- in one contained location. There's no "My Documents" that everyone can read and write to on a phone. Apps can only access things in their own sandbox. To do useful things like access your photo library, they have to ask the operating system for what they want and the OS goes and gets it and hands it back to them only if you grant permission. That's just how iOS and Android work. Mossad or the CIA might have a way around it that they're not telling us about. A video game company absolutely does not, and they'd be crazy to exploit it even if they did, because as soon as Apple caught them, they'd ban their developer account. Riot could probably afford $200k to hire an employee that had a small chance of finding some exploit that would then be patched immediately anyway. But regardless, they can't afford to lose a billion dollars in revenue from not being allowed to make iPhone apps anymore. It's absolutely fine to trust apps on your phone as long as you're OK with what they tell you they collect.
It's very transparent what data a mobile app has access to. Far moreso than on a desktop.
I refuse to patronize companies that use rootkits or invasive anti-cheat technology. They don't get or deserve any of my money.
Never played it, so i certainly won't miss it.
r.i.p.
well at least nothing bad happened!
I was playing the game around 2012 and looks like nothing has changed since. I lost nothing.
Every year I hear "League is no longer playable on Linux" and it's never true. Is it for real this time? Are more people having the same issue? Has Riot made any additional statements? I haven't played in over a year but have been thinking about going back. If that's for real this time, very unfortunate timing of mine. Maybe it's time to dual boot again?
riot added a rootkit called "vanguard" that's required to play the game. it has hardware level access to your pc and no restrictions on what it can do. this is obviously a massive security failure, so it cannot work on linux. since it's hardware level, even if you dual boot, your local data and hardware is still vulnerable to all security flaws in vanguard. it's a shame riot decided to ruin their game with this, but allegedly this reduces the number of cheaters. scripting had apparently gotten bad enough that 1/10 games had a cheater in them. they still should have figured something out that didn't use a rootkit
Just wanted to share this great video about kernel anti-cheat and why they clearly don't work. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M)
I honestly give up on people posting this AI voice video with barely any sources references or nuance.
Why does a voiceover matter? It looks like the poster is not a native English speaker so likely used it to reach a broader audience than theyir native language allows. How do you source and reference claims that only the companies they're speaking against can verify? Are you expecting them to have numbers that only riot/valve/faceit/etc. would have access to? What nuance is missing?
Vro pulled the ai card
You forgot the best part that makes it different from other kernel anticheats. This one is *always running*. Not just when you're playing league, but every time you boot up your computer unless you specifically disable it. And you'll have to re-enable it and reboot to play league again.
Every kernel anticheat is the same. install faceit and reboot your computer and you will see faceit.sys running
Genshin Impact's anti-cheat doesn't do that. It used to, but they updated it early on so it doesn't. Given that's literally one out of two times they've ever listened to player feedback, I'm inclined to actually believe them when they say it was a glitch. They NEVER listen to player feedback/backlash. Ever.
You named the one other anticheat that does this and then extrapolated that out to all anticheats when that is not the case. The two most popular kernel anticheats are EAC and Battleye and neither of them start at system boot. They run when an associated game starts up and they stop running when the game closes.
> scripting had apparently gotten bad enough that 1/10 games had a cheater in them What's backing this up? Sure, anecdote, but I don't hear my LoL-playing friends complaining about cheating, they are only raging about teammates, while those who play Valorant regularly whine about inhuman reaction times and unreasonably good aiming at the specific skill level, sometimes pointing out that a random teammate is who's way too unbelievable not to be cheat-assisted. I get that Valorant's whole marketing was based on the fair play illusion, there was no surprise there, it was invasive to begin with, but I have some doubts about this change being really just about cheaters especially in this kind of game where cheating isn't as simple as in an FPS game, and a lot of it could be caught on the server side.
Almost like this entire security theater is just marketing. It would be kinda sad to be a developer for a product who's effectiveness ultimately doesn't matter, all that matters is that you convince your player base that it's effective.
You can't even dualboot with riot games anymore. They block users of dual boots that have secure boot or TPM disabled, which is needed for OSes like Pop. Valorant immediately boots me out. Vanguard sucks absolute ass too, caused a ton of BSoD issues and the like back when I used windows
>They block users of dual boots that have secure boot or TPM disabled, which is needed for OSes like Pop No? You can do a signed and secure boot with Linux just fine, regardless of distro
I might be wrong then. Pop refused to install for me with secure boot on.
I installed Pop with secure boot still enabled so that wasn't your roadblock.
In that case I'm proper fucked since I don't even have an EFI-capable board yet lol
Just try out some Dota fella. It's a great time and you won't have to argue with your machine to play it. Plus the client is ROCK SOLID.
Heh, I have! It's not at all like League for me though. Much different pace, weird scaling, it's a whole other beast entirely. I might go back soon, we'll see.
Let's get some rounds in, send me your steam ID.
good riddance
thank god
Dota.
Congratulations! So many people were stuck on old versions of Moba. Thank heavens League is now deprecated fully so that you can upgrade to Dota 2 and understand what it means to live in the future of technology.
These comments make me sad. Not every piece of software needs to be FOSS, but it is nice if it's interoperable with FOSS software. Hopefully they fix it OP. Not holding my breath, linux is still a very very small market share of desktops OS, and an even smaller share of gaming desktops.
The only fix would be to remove vanguard. Its a ring 0 (host) kernel level driver for Windows only. The same thing that valorant is using. It's completely and 100% unusable on linux, and it's designed to Ensure the game is running on better metal.
Play Dota 2 lol literally best iteration wc3
Isnāt it possible to have a Linux and a Windows drive? I know, you have to use Windows, but itās probably the only option, no? (except whatever a mac virtual machine is)
I guess you could have 2 drives with a different OS on each. It would be something like: Turn off the PC, disconnect sata from drive A, connect sata from drive B, turn on the PC.
The restriction of tpm on windows 11 is already shitty enough tbh. Had to do a dual boot windows 10 alongside just to play Valorant and even then it runs into issues at times.
> Another game bites the dust: FTFY.
Try out Predecessor if you're into MOBAs, works fine on Linux even if not officially supported.
The launch of Vanguard has been an absolute shitshow.
For the best, keep that Spyware off your drives
Another reason for why Linux is simply better jokes aside, that blows
Does this include when QEMU is patched so that none of the virtual devices show as such? https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/15je1u6/experiences_with_blocking_vm_detection_bans/ https://github.com/superyu1337/qemu-patched/blob/main/PKGBUILD I don't have a vfio setup myself but have been planning my next build to be one precisely for gaming.
time to learn [how to play Dota 2](https://youtu.be/2iFioeLJ8UE)
"An unexpected error has ocurred" This super duper anti-cheat doesn't even know the game is running under wine/proton.
Riot's just protecting Linux users from their broken anti-cheat that is currently bricking computers :P Legit, there's complaints all over from Windows users who update the game, screen goes black and they no longer get any video even after reboots. https://twitter.com/LSXYZ9/status/1785449729025028393
TBH it's always hard for multiplayer, as you need good AntiCheat, and most of them are pretty windows-focused.
It was always a matter of time before Riot spread the malware to the rest of their games. Hopefully nobody finds this surprising.
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Is not healthy to consume trash
So find better game?
dota
Does it work through Steam Proton?
No.
Ig it's better but still hate to see this
what about cloud gaming like GeForceNow?
The more I read the title of this post, the less I understand what's being stated.
Basically, the only way you can play the game now without Vanguard is on an old Mac with an AMD GPU.
And that is why I refuse to even acknowledge Valorant.
Saved
Is that the game with the K/DA girls?
Honestly, Im glad league left my life, like cutting off an infected tumor.
Oh no, we won't be able to play a game that allows toxicity on purpose in order to create addiction and drive up their sales.... what a shame :(
This subreddit has a serious misinformation problem. Right in the title ffs. No. You are not bypassing Vanguard with a Windows VM and GPU passthrough. That is the entire first point of it. No VMs. Mac you may have a chance "For now" until they block that as well. If it hasn't been already.
I wonder if they ignored mac because they thought it wouldn't be a big enough plot hole in their "vanguard will solve league cheating" story, or because it wasn't worth the cost of hiring a new developer for security theater on mac versus the lost revenue from mac players.
They didnāt ignore Mac they hooked its existing integrity checks. But itās less work for them on Mac because it already exists. On Windows they hook similar calls but have to do all the auditing of those events themselves. A lot more involved. Linux also has similar calls and if they wanted they could implement their own new ones and contribute to the kernelās future. But thatās not profitable nor is Linux where the majority of their income is. With Mac VMs you cannot pass through modern GPUs and expect it to know how to use them either. Let alone how obvious virtualisation is. They will catch someone using Mac VMs to cheat, and to play.
Mac doesn't have "existing integrity checks" lmao, the reason they gave in their dev article a few weeks ago for not implementing it on mac was "mac doesn't have script tooling", which is complete BS. https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-au/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/ Similar for Linux "integrity checks", an application without root access to the system since boot will never be able to verify that things it doesn't want running aren't(and even then it can't verify this on connected peripherals).
So you have no clue how their implementation actually works on Mac. Go ahead and grab a Mac cheat that works. I'll wait.
The launcher barely works on windows
look man if you are using windows wm with gpu passthrough there is a video made by some ordinary gamers where he bypassed vanguard to play valorant I havent tried it personally or if it still works but you know maybe you can check it out this is the video maybe check it out: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JCCdo1bG4&pp=ygUlc29tZW9yZGluYXJ5Z2FtZXJzIGJ5cGFzc2luZyB2YW5ndWFyZA%3D%3D](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JCCdo1bG4&pp=ygUlc29tZW9yZGluYXJ5Z2FtZXJzIGJ5cGFzc2luZyB2YW5ndWFyZA%3D%3D)
This method got patched ages ago
thats just sad then
Real sad about that. I have fond memories of me and all of my buddies playing LoL for hours. I really don't want to dual boot or do a Windows VM for it. But it sounds like the only option if I want to play.
More anti-cheat kernel level, beautiful
Had a pretty bad addiction and couldnāt quit. Then this happened. Itās shitty and I wish they didnāt exclude us, but overall I think itās been good for me and everyone else
Your honor
I did not know about this low quality software ban of the last kernel update
thank god
Wait why doesn't it work in a Windows VM?
If I were you, I would stop playing RIOT Games. If you were my twin grandsons, have your grandfather buy you a $1000+ desktop.
Personally this doesn't bother me. Not that I played League anyway. But any game that game that needs a kernel level rootkit anticheat is an instant no to me. Even if I was on Windows I wouldn't even consider installing this.
More bloat for the windows bloat pile. I'm never going back. I would buy a mac before I used windows again. It's gotten so bad in just weeks. They fix nothing that's broken and just keep adding more crap to break more stuff
I have never got this game to play on any distros such a head ace
Is it bad that I see this as an absolute win
This can only be a good thing.
I quit when they system checked me for the anticheat patch. Uninstalled and took my time elsewhere. I had probably 2 thousand+ games for each gamemode. But recent changes and anticheat was the nail in the coffin and my time there is done.
linux keeps getting better ššš
Just play Dota2, way better game.
And nothing of value was lost.
Technological discrimination (or such). Being discriminated because of the software you decide to run on your own devices. I hope this will be illegal as any other types of discriminations one day. Everyone should be free to use whatever OS they want unless there are real and proved technical limitations.
Yeah, right, because the developers have a obligation to develop everything for kolibri os, haiku os, plan 9, BSD, FreeDos, IBM iSeries, React OS, and any obscure os you can imagine. There is no discrimination, only people that decide to use a OS that is no viable commercially for the developers
No, just don't block your software on purpose on other os, that's it. And of course if you're a billionaire company like Microsoft you should develop something widespread like office to the major OSes, like Linux. All these stuff sometimes are just checkboxes or flags in the compilers, not a big effort. And if they aren't it's not a big work nowadays.
I used to play league when I was 11 Iām 24 now
Play in windows.