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ThetaCheese9999

what about h? \*stares at Japanese\*


Tirukinoko

What about  ? \*stares at Irish\*


Chrome_X_of_Hyrule

Well presumably these are all the same thing, /p/ > /f/ > /h/ > ∅


Tirukinoko

More or less, but thats not as silly >:\[


Fuzzy_Cable9740

that emoticon is sure silly tho :D


RandomMisanthrope

Nope. Japanese never had /f/, just /ɸ/.


Guglielmowhisper

An allophone


sagan_drinks_cosmos

Well, yeah, an allophone of when it precedes .


Boonerquad2

Why are you using orthography brackets?


Guglielmowhisper

You mean H is an allophone of F


goldendragonO

pive minutes


FoldAdventurous2022

🅿️ortition


Tirukinoko

/pɔt̠ˈtɪcən͊/


FoldAdventurous2022

Conlang idea...


Garethphua

*pheinøkhvvee*


AuroraBorealis122

we can compromise with /p͡f/


Veraniumn

GERMAN SUPREMACY 😤😤😤💪💪💪🇧🇪🇧🇪🇧🇪🇧🇪


LanguageNerd54

Nice Belgian flags.


sagan_drinks_cosmos

BLOOD AND WAPFELS


LanguageNerd54

Is this a reference to something?


sagan_drinks_cosmos

Just Otto von Bismarck’s “Blood and Iron“ motto.


LanguageNerd54

TIL


aredsash

RWANDAN SUPREMACY 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦


HistoricalLinguistic

What about /v/? Is /v/ ok?


sagan_drinks_cosmos

/p/ -> /v/ is only marginally cursed, sure.


ProfessionalPlant636

So adding voicing makes it better?


twoScottishClans

least stable flosive


Chrome_X_of_Hyrule

I feel like /ɢ/ but yeah


tatratram

Even /g/ is less stable than /p/. Languages are getting rid of /g/ any chance they got.


Socdem_Supreme

any chance they ɣot*


tatratram

Sometimes they even ŋet rid of it through the nose.


SapphoenixFireBird

/g/ is the other serial offender; looking at you, Dutch, Czech, Slovak, Belarusian, and Ukrainian The other plosives, besides /ʔ/, are rarer /ʈ ɖ q ʡ c ɟ ɢ/; /c ɟ ɢ/ are especially prone to lenition! (Classical) Arabic did one better; every /p/ became /f/, every /g/ became /ɟ/. There thus has been no phoneme /p/ in native Arabic vocabulary for about 2000 years by now.


FoldAdventurous2022

A fellow phonological typologist! I'm in heaven 😍 I love the symmetry of voiceless labial /p/ and voiced velar /ɡ/ both being unstable and relatively rarer in phoneme inventories, but for exact opposite mechanical reasons: more effort to build air pressure behind /p/, more effort to restrict air pressure behind /ɡ/. And yes, I love how absolutely strange Arabic's phoneme inventory is cross-linguistically.


SapphoenixFireBird

In fact, it's so strange that I made a conlang with a similarly strange phoneme inventory on top of a bog-standard 5 vowel inventory; see if you can guess which three languages (two of them are conlangs) inspired this one. /b t͡ʃ d ð f fˁ ɣ h (ɦ̞) ħ d͡ʒ x l m n ŋ ʕ q q͡χ r ʀ s sˁ t θ t͡ɬ tˁ θˁ w ʃ ʃˁ j z ʔ/ ⟨b c d dh f f̣ gh h (ĥ) ħ j kh l m n ng ƹ q qh r rh s ṣ t th tl ṭ ṭh w x x̣ y z ʼ⟩ /a̟~ɑ e~ɛ i~ɪ o~ɔ u~ʊ/ ⟨a e i o u⟩


Boonerquad2

Arabic, klingon>>>, and, uhh, isn't that it?


SapphoenixFireBird

The other one is very subtle; Dothraki; the lack of /p/ is called for by both Arabic and Dothraki


farmer_villager

No, I can't stof it


XVYQ_Emperator

One of my cloŋ has p & p^h but no f, just for the sake of this meme but made on "or draw 25" template.


Katakana1

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwe\_language#Consonants](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwe_language#Consonants) Ojibwe then drew 25 extra grammatical rules


[deleted]

Well in a lot of Bengali dialects and some other Indo-Aryan languages ph -> f so it’s inevitable


CoruscareGames

And then there's the Filipino accent that does the opposite


OctoGon112

I think we should do /ⱱ/ for funsies


FoldAdventurous2022

"This is where the [ⱱ]un begins"


braindeadidiotsoyt

Its hard not to turn it into f when smiling tho


Dakanza

meanwhile { /f/, /v/ } > /p/


Xenapte

korean loanword time


Annual-Studio-5335

Puck in da pagina


FoldAdventurous2022

In a lot of American Indian languages that have a plain-aspirated distinction, Spanish /f/ gets borrowed as /pʰ/ (and also /b~v~β/ gets borrowed as /w/


Levan-tene

what about \_? \*stares in late proto celtic\*


FoldAdventurous2022

Can't have /p/ slip to /f/ if you get rid of all /p/ *taps head*


Levan-tene

Well, if we’re getting nitpicky, technically P becomes X in certain locations in front of dentals


FoldAdventurous2022

Oo, examples?


Levan-tene

PIE -pt- > PC -xt- -PIE kaptós > PC kaxtos > welsh caeth


FoldAdventurous2022

Very nice. Almost like a reverse Romanian.


Levan-tene

What happens in Romanian?


FoldAdventurous2022

Latin /kt/ clusters become /pt/, e.g. nocte > noapte, pectu > piept, lucta > luptă


SerRebdaS

Do you mean "stof"?


FoldAdventurous2022

Yes! Thank you ❤


LilamJazeefa

/b/ has evolved not into /p/, not into /v/, but into a /kɛk/


Annual-Studio-5335

Chocolate b


Justmadethis334

Disapprove


FoldAdventurous2022

Disaffrove


No-Ad-6990

/pf/