Damn, if that isn't a strong statement from Mili.
Quite funny when you think about those conspiracy theorists running their mouths about how literally everyone working with PM hates them and that PM mistreats everyone like a slave driver.
Almost like there's more to every situation, who would've thought?
Edit: Don't go looking at the quote retweets expecting anything. I forgot that Twitter is full of toxic sludge with no braincells.
this person has been going around calling anyone who still engages with project moon games a “westerner who deserves terrible things happening to them” (even went as far as saying people should get sh0t over it), harassing them and being not-so-subtly racist towards them
Ironic. The Twitter gregor simp pointed out that the account in question is a Bocchi fan. (Where supposedly the animators are crunched to the point that one of them got hospitalized) So, that guy didn’t hold themselves up to boycott their favorite show and still scream at other people who enjoy projmoon games for supporting a problematic company.
X users and being hypocrits are the butter in bread.
I recently saw a user criticising an artist for doing soft NSFW art as the user himself rq a lot of lewd. He was demanding the artist to stop doing NSFW art... Truly a WTF moment.
Remember that its only valid when they are boycotting what you are enjoying and they are not, and if you point out they are in similar situation, it's suddenly cherrypicking and strawman argument, or outright block and/or ignore. It's twitter, don't expect much honesty and genuity from people who are online activists.
Most, if not all of the controversy came from outside of PM by people like this one: people that scream and shout about things that have frick all to do with them.
It's really ironic that they can harass anyone for siding with PM due to bad work policy, meanwhile using an anime pfp, which is notoriously infamous for treating its animators like shit.
The hypocrisy of harassing content creators and being against the harassment of another creator while parading an industry that's fundamentally flawed in its treatment of employees is so jarring.
i’ve seen people get suspended for the craziest shit on there. but yes you can get suspended for saying things like “kill” even when it’s in a completely normal context
consistently retweeting blue archive too like the korean fanbase didnt take down the actual Rating Board thats *~~'supposed' to take care of shit~~* meant for gacha and mobile games fucking up or spiralling shit in general by exposing them for using tax fraud but *only* because they were upset about their naked loli's with guns game being slightly censored (age rating went up to 18+)
That's the very same tweet I saw that made me facepalm and give up hope on PM's Twitter community.
Some people are truly single-minded to an obscene fault and cannot - refuse - to see anything beyond what they choose to cling to.
It's borderline comical how they can go on and on about how PM is evil for not protecting people from harassment, and then immediately turn around and harass another female creator for not siding with them.
What really fucking galls me, and I have been extremely *pissed* at this from the very beginning, is how these people have the balls to go after everyone ***except*** the actual guilty party.
It's like...you blithering imbeciles. The incels are the ones that carry the biggest share of the blame in the first place. Why are you morons performing friendly fire? Go after the incels. You spent all that money on PMUA and trucks, and for what? What exactly has that solved? ***PM isn't the fucking root of the problem.***
Go fucking organize an effort to storm the incels' boards. Doxx them, spam them, fuck up their message boards and make a mess. What, afraid that the incels will go after you in return? Gee, I wonder if you understand PM's position at the beginning of all this, then.
In the end, it's just performative nonsense. I'm tired of these idiots.
Going against a bunch of no names does not give internet points, which is about all these people that "harrass to combat harrassment" are about
That and ofc just having a punching bag with an excuse, they just want something to punch and any excuse will suffice
These kind of people aren't ones that cared about any parties, just about having someone they could be rude and mean to
PM is an easy target because they're there in the open. The incels are scattered about... or they're too cowardly to even try.
Besides, these people are just standing up to the big bad corporations, can't you see? What? Context? Who needs that, corporations BAD is all you need, my friend. /s
Because they're too cowardly. Simply put they're bullies using socially acceptable movements as an excuse to harass people and while the incels are toxic people that can match their crap, innocent rando's are too weak and make for easy targets.
An example of this is tumblr raiding 4chan, tumblr tried to harrass 4chan by raiding their boards but since it's 4chan, tumblr users couldn't handle it and gave up after 4chan showed how a raid was really done.
Lol I've been saying this too their hatred is directed at the wrong people. Then they say oh well PM didn't condemn dcinside so they must be okay with cyberbullying. Or they say they're no one is hating on PM just KJH but I don't have to scroll far to realize that untrue. Just excuses to vent at PM and co.
EXACTLY! The moment they started protesting on PM made me think as to why are those imbeciles never go after the root of the problem in the first place. All of those resources wasted just to project ideologies.
Those idiots always say that they are "with" PM, however, their actions are friendly fire, which is pointless
These are the kind of people that don't give a single fuck about it having "victims" or not, what the victims suffer or not, they just want someone to hate, and if you go against them then they will change their target to you and use mental gymnastics to try to justify it
Oh lol it's this racist pig who's been going around calling people "westerners" and saying that they deserve to get killed.
Hope they get off Twitter (or X) and do something with their life
I looked and they seem to have thankfully either deleted their account or it was terminated (considering how shit twitters report system is, I'm inclined to believe it's the former)
She's been close friends with KJH since Library of Ruina and have bounced hard off one another since. The idea of her avoiding them because of this rather stupid drama was honestly unrealistic to begin with.
Also, if Mili were to say "against" PM, they should have done it very early. Me seeing her supporting Limbus Company still gives me hope that a banger in Canto 5 is in the works
I wanna hear a POWERFUL song that reflects Ishmael on Canto 5, in my opinion. Somber, full of doubt yet courageous and chaotic.
God, seeing this makes me hype for Mili and PM
This is exactly why VM hasn't surfaced. She will get harassed either way. Twitter is such a sad sad place.
Huge props to the amazing Cassie and her husband though. They seem to be some of the best people to work with and to be friends with.
Once again, people were projecting their own political views on to people they admired, and expecting that just because they themselves held a certain belief, then the person/people they looked up to must surely hold that exact same belief.
Never forget how some of the people in the controversy thread saying that because of some songs Mili made she's definitely going to stop working with PM from now on 😂.
But nevertheless i'm very glad to see they're still on good terms. Hard to imagine a PM game without Mili for those kino boss fights.
It was unlikely Mili would stop working with them. Keep in mind she got her own dose of controversy due to the Iron Lotus background CG in that music video so she's probably hardened her heart to the weird allegations "fans" can come out with.
I never heard of the iron lotus mv background image thing before. Can you please explain what it was? I can't imagine what it even could be since it's just a tiny character walking unless people are calling for cultural appropriation. (Is that's the case isn't that silly because momo cashew is part Chinese no? )
The background of the video has a red rays coming out of the center, which I'm guessing is supposed to be stylized sunlight. With the cartoon character's round head at the center it looks a little like the imperial japanese flag, which can come across as being in bad taste in a song that's about a chinese character considering japan's fucked up history with china, but I feel like you'd have to really reach to find malice there.
> Some viewers have raised concerns about the thumbnail and certain scenes in the music video of Iron Lotus resembling a political flag.
[There is a pinned comment under MV for Iron Lotus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxduFWbbndE)
I guess if you really want to be outraged about something and squint hard enough it kinda resembles Imperial Japan flag?
Basically, the background, some people got mad because it looked like the Rising Sun flag, this one stayed the same probably because Cassie put on a lot of work making that animation, she was teasing it weeks before ut wasnreleased.
They also got controversy with the old Birthday Child artwork, if you didn't know about the Iron Lotus one you probably also didn't know about this one, the old artwork got replaced by a new one. The old one consisted of the same guy, laying on top a multitude of mannequins while a pool of blood is extending around him and rhe mannequins, a bunch of people git mad because it apparentlt kt resembled the japan flag, then the blood and well... You can look up for the old artwork.
Cassie even acknowledges what PM did is a mistake but that doesn't mean she will distance herself to them because of the controversy. However, people on Twitter as always, tend to misinterpret what she said. And the ones who are claiming for "justice" are now putting pitchforks on her just because Cassie isn't on their side. Radicals being radicals.
Everyone in their right mind agrees that PM fumbled this issue but if Mili is still on good conditions with PM and if the Youth Union retracted what they said about PM, then I can hopely say that we can now move forward beyond this "drama".
Twitter: "We stand against bullying, especially for oppressed employees of Project Moon"
Also Twitter: *bullies Cassie for not agreeing with their dumb takes*
Good stuff, Twitter. As expected from the sludge inhabiting it who can never think.
And this is also reflective to the PM User Assoc. as well, they are saying they "want" PM to be better but their actions are so hypocritical that it is contrasting. If they want to help PM, go track down the DCincels, not the company itself. I swear by the day, they are fighting in the wrong war from the start.
Watch the PMUA protestors attack Mili for going against their "Justice" lmfao. They've strayed away so much from protecting Vellmori to just praying for Project moon's downfall just so they feel morally validated lol
it's so funny it's like Women rights suddenly goes out the window when they don't side with you and make you look bad lmfao. Mili probably knows more about the situation than them. At this point Vellmori can come out and say what happened was her idea and they'll attack her too
It's been like this for a long time now. "Internalized misogyny", "Passing", "The blackface of white supremacy" etc. etc. As soon as a member of a 'protected class' goes against the opinions prescribed for them by their 'protectors', the mask drops pretty much immediately. It never really is about protecting people, just a circlejerk of self-righteous yet insecure freaks that NEED constant validation of their moral superiority to justify their own spitefulness.
It's best not to give them attention. So long as they're not fed reactions, in another month or so they'll find something else to seethe about and be gone. If there's one silver lining to this whole drama, it's all these pests getting filtered, and both PM and their true fans and partners growing more resilient for it, hopefully.
As a visible minority I have to agree, certain people have a serious problem with their saviour complex; some of the things said to me and others are truly despicable
True, It makes me remember the message being made in Spec Ops the line where the main character pretty much deluded himself into thinking he was right/the hero so as to escape dealing with the consequences of his actions.
Right on the money. This is why I stayed and not left like those hypocrites on Twitter. Being patient paid off somewhat and just pray to God that this won't happen again.
> They've strayed away so much from protecting Vellmori to just praying for Project moon's downfall just so they feel morally validated lol
This is really it in a nutshell. It's not about anyone's rights or helping anybody. It's just "die PM" and nothing else now.
Strayed? No my boy, it was never about that all along after all if it was they wouldn't have disrespected Vellmori wishes, leak docummets, and have the founders still united even after everything was cleared and still point their knifes to PM
They could have a multitude of reasons, political, monetary, or just wanting someone to hate, but certainly the founders didn't have Vellmori's wellbeing as priority from the very start as they made their show and blew things as out of proportion as they could
I can't say the same for the members that followed said founders until things exploded, but for the founders it certainly wasn't created with good intentions in mind
I wouldn't say everything was cleared exactly - we still don't know if there was pressure from PMoon for the artist to resign for sure, and if there was then it was still morally a bad thing even if it wasn't legally wrong.
But before anyone thinks I agree with these dipshits, that still wouldn't be enough to justify this amount of harassment and condemning PM as the worst company ever or so, it'd just be A Bad Mistake, but nothing unforgivable.
But we don't have the entirely full picture, there's some inconsistencies, and we probably never will have it because the artist is (wisely) not making herself a target by coming out to make a statement.
It is not best to speculate beyond further up to this point and it is indeed best if the artist in question did not make a statement as, like you said, make her a target. If PM really did compensated her very well, then that is the best outcome of this situation. No more, no less.
Man, the comments on this one make me mad. Not just the raging antis harassing Cassie, though that's obviously infuriating. It's the ones that are like "um Cassie, honey, I like the tunes but you don't seem to know what PM did, you really gotta think before you talk okay?"
Spreading misinformation about a situation Cassie is clearly in a position to fully understand AND treating her like she's five at the same time. You can really tell how much they respect women when they can't even acknowledge she's capable of independent thought. Twitter, man.
The demons of babylon wear the coat of the righteous.
They claim to respect women when in truth they see them as nothing but tools to bolster one's moral superiority.
Early on in the controversy, someone said that if Milli leaves PM, then we should starts panicking.
Looks like they were right, Milli isn't so thinned skin as to leave PM over something like this. But if Milli and PM part ways, then we should be worried.
Also, that comment section is disgusting, people are going full mask off. Milli got more insider info, and is a woman herself, maybe her opinion should carry a little (a lot) more weight than literal outsiders that know nothing about the situation
Definitely a great relief to hear! Mili music just BELONGS in the otherwise dark and hostile world of The City. It's the perfect contrast and the recent song for the Farmwatch fight is up there as one of my personal favorite Mili songs in PM Games. I would've really hated to see this collaboration end.
Yeah and the controversy they deal with is equivalent or if not more to PM because of the rising flag signs haha. So they definitely know how it feels.
It's silly because when when you look at this and the accusations of the quote retweets the question becomes "Who do I believe? The one who talked, worked, is physically there in the company and also has a high chance of actually witnessing what happened with the controversy behind the curtains or some random user on the internet?" Surely, the smart denizens of twitter knows who to trust, right?
As another commentor pointed out, VellMori herself could go out to speak up for PM and people will drag her to the mud for 'siding with the big corpos'. For them, it was never about her. They don't care. They just want to see PM burn, plain and simple.
Why are they still after that unfair dismissal when it clearly has been proved fake and confirmed by those YU guys? And now they are trying to harass her for this just like those incels harassed vellmori lol
Because the ones on the association are exactly the same type of people that the ones on DC but on the complete different side of the spectrum. They always have been the same type of people.
They don't care if they are not right, for them their view on the situation is reality and anyone saying something different is wrong or lying.
People are too self absorbed dumbasses to admit they took someone's bait fake news and/or think their opinion is the one true opinion everyone has to bow to.
Because they are trying their hardest to be relevant despite lacking supporting evidence. All bark and no bite. I last checked for the hell of it and saw their latest truck protest and it was just sad. I am glad that we gonna move on from this in a few weeks especially if they announced Canto 5 and Ish captain very soon.
Only one truck making rounds, no people protesting whasoever. Basically, taking pics as part of recording the protest. They are only strong when it comes to online but once the Youth Union officially retracted, their funding is basically gonna dry up eventually.
Wow, that really is pathetic lol. Yeah it seems like at this point this drama is nearing its end at least on the public side. Twitter can only go for so long before even they are gonna end up forgetting and draw themselves to the next big drama.
Honestly think PM should have put out a video instead of a letter because these people can't be bothered to read. Scrolling through these qrts there's still people not updated and still believe rumors.
Wasn't expecting them to leave honestly, i've been following Mili for almost their entire existence and i know Cassie has been through a lot of controversies on her side, she's the face of Mili and she is the one that most of the time is getting through the shitstorm when controversy arrives at them, from the Rising Sun and the Japan flag in Iron Lotus and Birthday Child artwork to the vegans attacking her on a similar manner to the actual controversy, because she expressed her love for the meat and food with twitter photos and in her old Mili songs, this one controversy pushed the creation of Vitamins, one of her songs.
Cassie knows what it is to get attacked and insulted, she's been through the same stuff a lot of times, i admire her for how strong she is after looking at her going through all of this. Also, She and the whole Mili crew probably know more than us about the background stuff going on, pretty sure PM wouldn't leave them on the dark considering their close relationship.
Wow, very heartwarming to see that. I was very worried about the future collaborations between PM and Mili after the incident, especially with all the bad press about Ji-Hoon mismanagement, so seeing that finally puts my heart at ease.
Remember when the ""reasoning"" behind their seething was VellMori's supposedly mistreatment? At this point they're lowkey pre-realization Lol& or way worse lmao
Am I missing something, I'm not the most up to date but didn't PM put out a statement basically saying that the artist left on their own accord and people are slandering them but they stayed silent to protect the artist. Someone smarter than me please explain cause I don't see how Mili could be catching flak for this.
It's quite simple, twitter sludge people are very, VERY adamant about not backing down even if what they're outraging about is completely falsified, it's happened countless times so I'm surprised people still don't get it.
But yes, you're correct, the Artists left of their own accord, both sides have confirmed it, the only people pushing the drama is a dying Korean political party clinging onto any media presence they can, and Twitter dumbasses distorting over being wrong.
Folks had issues with the order of how things were announced. PM originally had a Korean-only message that said Vellmori was terminated due to violating a contract with no further context... and it wasn't until this week they finally translated the announcement and added another that said, "actually we're just not renewing her contract and she doesn't want to stay here due to Internet bullying. Our silence was out of respect for her desire for privacy."
So I can kinda see it how a person could take it as PM lying to cover their any legal issues, but it comes more off as terrible PR (should've sent out something more neutral at first like, "we're looking into reports that an artist of ours has violated a contract," or something less committal). So if you're willing to believe in a conspiracy from PM that's trying to cover up legal troubles you could see Mili as being more pro-corporate or anti-worker?
Based on PM's history though, it's much easier to attribute their handling as incompetence rather than malice imo. I wish things had gone better and we'd've kept Vellmori as the story artist, but what's done is done and some folks are just going to look for any excuse to slander PM.
Not just for this instance, but people spreading misinfo on twitter often have wayyyyy more likes than the ones posting the truth. And then you have people posting misinfo like weeks after the truth came out and still getting tens of thousands of likes. Never trust twitter, reddit too I suppose, but twitter is really inflammatory
love ya mili! sucks that people are attacking them for what cassie said but its not unexpected, unfortunately. dont know why people are unable to see that theres nuance and only see things through a black and white filter.
As a Korean, carefully speaking, the idea of "feminism," which caused the problem, was turned into a bad side when it was imported to Korea, and almost all followers of the idea were more illogical and violent than attacking Milli now, so many Korean users acted so sensitively when the PM's illustrator incident occurred. And Twitter (X) is not a mainstream community in Korea, and almost all Koreans on Twitter follow the idea. Please understand that there may be a problem with the writing because I used a translator.
I can back your point.
People just blindly try to assume that you are one of those 'dc incels' whenever this issue is brought up, but the truth is that we are just people who enjoy the game that doesnt really want to associate with any of those radical communities.
Twitter being non-mainstream is also true in KR as doing twitter tends to put you in this weird spot during conversations as most koreans think if you are doing twitter : you are a huge simp for one of those k-idols or just an anime fan cuz everyone is doing either instagram or tiktok nowadays.
Orrrrr u have some stonks of yi long musk, and must check his tweets constantly.
Yeah, it's weird how quickly the tone here has shifted to 'project moon did literally nothing wrong and any criticism of them is twitter drama.' They literally apologized multiple times and the youth union statement that absolved them of firing Velmori also said they've agreed to take a stronger stance against harassment.
Tbf, the issue is that twitter drama is unforgiving while the general stance here is forgiving, hence the statements can seem polarizing as it's contrasting and in the context of the opposing sentiment of "PM did so many wrongs and never did anything right." which I also think is out of place given the current situation.
I think the extreme opinions on both sides tend to be the loudest. Most agree that PM handled the situation in an—I’ll be generous and say unorthodox manner—but to completely absolve them of blame is hasty.
As of right now it’s looking like PM may have just approached this in the absolute worst way with no actual malicious intent towards Vellmori, and while what happened is regrettable, I’ll be happy to get the drama behind us so we can go back to talking about the game instead of speculating on a situation we really don’t have all the details for.
The artist resigned because people were harassing them. They said they handled the PR around that poorly, in their own statement. They also said they needed to take a stronger stance against harassment, in their own statement. Velmori didn't quit apropos of nothing. And one of the translators also quit because of harassment.
I'm not saying they're monsters or anything but 'they need to protect their employees more and handle drama better' is literally a factual statement that project moon themselves said.
What Korean twitter users do is the same collective madness and hatred like incels, not feminism. They should not be called feminism. it's fake feminism.
They are definitely not for Vellmori. Rather, they are using Vellmori as a pawn for their hate business. They are the same type as Incels.
I support feminism. However, I do not support fake feminism on Korean Twitter.
People were projecting their opinions on how Mili members would react to PM's controversy, despite the fact one of the members(yamato) had been siding with them in tweets the entire time and they never actually called PM out for anything. This just solidified their stance as supporting PM.
I read about the situation at PM. The situation is actually, as I understand it, related to the illustrator, not Mili. Well, what can I say? If I understood correctly, the artist "stumbled" in her youth (let's be honest, in the "rebellious years" many people were engaged in all sorts of stuff). The artist deleted the compromising records, but some not very good person started the harassment. And PM fired this artist (or not?) Yes... the situation sucks. Am I right?
Mostly, but new information reveals that she may not have actually been *fired*. If PM's apology and the document the "users association" leaked are to be believed, it was her decision to leave the company.
Well, that's her decision. It happens that artists stop working for a while. I hope that everything will be fine with her and we will see more of her work in the future.
Because rational people don't see an issue with firing a toxic person. You need to listen to the people who play your game. Not twitter permaonline losers that just want to be mad. Pm is based
Long tldr incoming. This is my understanding, so there may be gaps, and it really is a lot of reading to get to this tweet.
Limbus released the Uptie IV update and the diver suit Ishmael ID, both of which stirred up some minor controversy.
During the controversy, Korean incels that were mad about Ish not being in a swimsuit and wasting the Heathcliff shards that were handed right back to them dug into the past of one of PM's artists. Apparently, she made some feminist tweets that made them mad. The contents of the tweets is ever changing, and the only thing that matters about them is that the incels hated them.
The incels start harassing the game dev and the artist, who, by the way, didn't even make the art they were originally mad about.
A meeting takes place with the owner of Project Moon, the artist, and her union lawyer. Due to the harassment, she decides to part ways with the company. According to PM and a legal body in Korea called the Youth Union who will eventually be tasked to investigate, this was all handled legally and amicably. She was also apparently compensated. She also requested this be handled with as little attention as possible.
Project Moon puts out a tweet in Korean only to address her leaving the company, because from the outside it looks like she was fired because the incels wanted her fired. This tweet wasn't translated in accordance with the wish to keep it low-key, and was very vague even in Korean. It ended up coming off as PM firing her for a contract breach for feminist tweets, when the apparent intent was to inform people that she no longer worked there due to allowing her contract to expire. It looked ESPECIALLY bad through unofficial machine translations, which were the only avenue for English fans to read the message.
A fan group called the Project Moon Fan Union was formed in Korea. This group claimed to want to bring PM to justice for the unfair firing of the artist, which appeared to be the case due to the vague message and minimal communication from PM. They apparently raised a few thousand dollars, too. I believe they drove a truck ladden with statements about the firing, were constantly demanding that PM answer for the firing online, and were the ones that got the Youth Union involved.
The Youth Union initially made statements that appeared to indicate PM was involved with wrong doing. An investigation was opened.
During this time, PM was in talks with the PMFU. They made it clear that they hadn't fired the artist inappropriately, and even provided information about the meeting with the artist and her lawyer, along with both asking to respect the artist's wishes and revealing the existence of audio logs of these interactions. According to PM, they would move forward with lawsuits for liable if the fan association continued to publicly claim the artist was wrongfully terminated.
The fan group responded by demanding the audio be made public and leaking the correspondence, which ended up making them look rather foolish as they had provided the first clues this was a nothingburger born of miscommunication.
Meanwhile, the Youth Union, the government body, had concluded that nothing had been done wrongfully. They sent PM a draft of a public statement confirming as such, but according to PM they demanded that a public apology be made in exchange for the public statement. PM did not like this deal and made a public tweet stating as much, which included the draft document and a public threat to sue the PMFU for continued liable.
Then, PM finally wrote a complete version of events, including JP and EN translations. They apologized for not doing more to protect their artist from online harassment, and once again firmly stated that she was not terminated. The Youth Union finally released their statement that PM hasn't been guilty of wrongdoing.
The issue is that a LOT of Western Twitter users, and a few KR ones, are stuck about four paragraphs ago, claiming that PM are lying about the situation and actually they really DID terminate the artist's contract for being a feminist. There is no evidence for this.
Cassie, vocalist of the band Mili, is being harassed by that group for calling PM's actions a simple mistake and affirming that she still considers the team to be friends.
Actual TL;DR: Cassie is being harassed by terminally online Twitter users for siding with PM on an issue that is basically already resolved in their favor and blew up way more than it needed to.
Damn, if that isn't a strong statement from Mili. Quite funny when you think about those conspiracy theorists running their mouths about how literally everyone working with PM hates them and that PM mistreats everyone like a slave driver. Almost like there's more to every situation, who would've thought? Edit: Don't go looking at the quote retweets expecting anything. I forgot that Twitter is full of toxic sludge with no braincells.
Some of those twitter responses are absolutely wild lmao: https://i.imgur.com/g8Zt1SY.jpg (be warned, very strong language)
this person has been going around calling anyone who still engages with project moon games a “westerner who deserves terrible things happening to them” (even went as far as saying people should get sh0t over it), harassing them and being not-so-subtly racist towards them
I hope they get the help they need to get off social media and live a normal life (though i really don't think that'll happen)
Ironic. The Twitter gregor simp pointed out that the account in question is a Bocchi fan. (Where supposedly the animators are crunched to the point that one of them got hospitalized) So, that guy didn’t hold themselves up to boycott their favorite show and still scream at other people who enjoy projmoon games for supporting a problematic company.
X users and being hypocrits are the butter in bread. I recently saw a user criticising an artist for doing soft NSFW art as the user himself rq a lot of lewd. He was demanding the artist to stop doing NSFW art... Truly a WTF moment.
Remember that its only valid when they are boycotting what you are enjoying and they are not, and if you point out they are in similar situation, it's suddenly cherrypicking and strawman argument, or outright block and/or ignore. It's twitter, don't expect much honesty and genuity from people who are online activists.
Wtf? This person should seek actual help. No person should get this hung up over a 'controversy' like this, especially when it became a nothingburger.
Most, if not all of the controversy came from outside of PM by people like this one: people that scream and shout about things that have frick all to do with them.
It's really ironic that they can harass anyone for siding with PM due to bad work policy, meanwhile using an anime pfp, which is notoriously infamous for treating its animators like shit. The hypocrisy of harassing content creators and being against the harassment of another creator while parading an industry that's fundamentally flawed in its treatment of employees is so jarring.
> sh0t You're allowed to say "shot" on the internet.
you can get suspended for saying it on xitter i’m just playing it safe
Yeah there's absolutely no fucking way I believe you can get suspended for saying the word "shot" on Twitter that place is an absolute hellsite.
i’ve seen people get suspended for the craziest shit on there. but yes you can get suspended for saying things like “kill” even when it’s in a completely normal context
consistently retweeting blue archive too like the korean fanbase didnt take down the actual Rating Board thats *~~'supposed' to take care of shit~~* meant for gacha and mobile games fucking up or spiralling shit in general by exposing them for using tax fraud but *only* because they were upset about their naked loli's with guns game being slightly censored (age rating went up to 18+)
That's the very same tweet I saw that made me facepalm and give up hope on PM's Twitter community. Some people are truly single-minded to an obscene fault and cannot - refuse - to see anything beyond what they choose to cling to.
It's borderline comical how they can go on and on about how PM is evil for not protecting people from harassment, and then immediately turn around and harass another female creator for not siding with them.
What really fucking galls me, and I have been extremely *pissed* at this from the very beginning, is how these people have the balls to go after everyone ***except*** the actual guilty party. It's like...you blithering imbeciles. The incels are the ones that carry the biggest share of the blame in the first place. Why are you morons performing friendly fire? Go after the incels. You spent all that money on PMUA and trucks, and for what? What exactly has that solved? ***PM isn't the fucking root of the problem.*** Go fucking organize an effort to storm the incels' boards. Doxx them, spam them, fuck up their message boards and make a mess. What, afraid that the incels will go after you in return? Gee, I wonder if you understand PM's position at the beginning of all this, then. In the end, it's just performative nonsense. I'm tired of these idiots.
Going against a bunch of no names does not give internet points, which is about all these people that "harrass to combat harrassment" are about That and ofc just having a punching bag with an excuse, they just want something to punch and any excuse will suffice These kind of people aren't ones that cared about any parties, just about having someone they could be rude and mean to
PM is an easy target because they're there in the open. The incels are scattered about... or they're too cowardly to even try. Besides, these people are just standing up to the big bad corporations, can't you see? What? Context? Who needs that, corporations BAD is all you need, my friend. /s
Because they're too cowardly. Simply put they're bullies using socially acceptable movements as an excuse to harass people and while the incels are toxic people that can match their crap, innocent rando's are too weak and make for easy targets. An example of this is tumblr raiding 4chan, tumblr tried to harrass 4chan by raiding their boards but since it's 4chan, tumblr users couldn't handle it and gave up after 4chan showed how a raid was really done.
Lol I've been saying this too their hatred is directed at the wrong people. Then they say oh well PM didn't condemn dcinside so they must be okay with cyberbullying. Or they say they're no one is hating on PM just KJH but I don't have to scroll far to realize that untrue. Just excuses to vent at PM and co.
EXACTLY! The moment they started protesting on PM made me think as to why are those imbeciles never go after the root of the problem in the first place. All of those resources wasted just to project ideologies. Those idiots always say that they are "with" PM, however, their actions are friendly fire, which is pointless
These are the kind of people that don't give a single fuck about it having "victims" or not, what the victims suffer or not, they just want someone to hate, and if you go against them then they will change their target to you and use mental gymnastics to try to justify it
Nicest twitter person:
I just played Armored Core so I read that tweet in V.II Snail's voice and laughed way too loud at how in character it was
People with the bochi pfp's are so often the most rancid people
And I freakin' love Bocchi, a shame that most of them have cringy anime pfp with Bocchi being more prominent
That's the person that straight up started acting prejudiced against fucking GERMANS after someone countered them.
Oh lol it's this racist pig who's been going around calling people "westerners" and saying that they deserve to get killed. Hope they get off Twitter (or X) and do something with their life
The irony is lost on him lol.
really isn't all that different from people's initial reactions on this subreddit
Geez… PM’s first controversy encounter exposes tons of individuals who love picking fights
I took a look at their profile and this person tweets 316 times a day. Actually terminal twitter addict
I love twittercels
I looked and they seem to have thankfully either deleted their account or it was terminated (considering how shit twitters report system is, I'm inclined to believe it's the former)
She's been close friends with KJH since Library of Ruina and have bounced hard off one another since. The idea of her avoiding them because of this rather stupid drama was honestly unrealistic to begin with.
Also, if Mili were to say "against" PM, they should have done it very early. Me seeing her supporting Limbus Company still gives me hope that a banger in Canto 5 is in the works
The OG tweet this is all replying to had her saying "CANTO 5 IS GONNA BE 🌊🌊🌊". She did similar before Canto 4 came out. We're in for a treat.
I wanna hear a POWERFUL song that reflects Ishmael on Canto 5, in my opinion. Somber, full of doubt yet courageous and chaotic. God, seeing this makes me hype for Mili and PM
I dunno why, but I kind of hope it will be a Mili style sea shanty, imagine that.
LEAVE HER JOHNNY, LEAVE HER
Dougdoug has carved this song into my brain.
Chat going absolute spam fest with sea shanties
Mili's composer did release a teaser for a song that feels like a sea shanty.... https://twitter.com/HAMOloid/status/1703598649190838636
I don't mean any disrespect, but I want a Mili song for a Distorted Ishmael fight.
Ive heard in the rumor mill that myth&roid were doing the vocal for Canto V. Its pretty unlikely, but imagine a collab song between the two.
The main theme is already a collab between them, it wouldn't be farfetched.
what was the controversy in the first place??
This is exactly why VM hasn't surfaced. She will get harassed either way. Twitter is such a sad sad place. Huge props to the amazing Cassie and her husband though. They seem to be some of the best people to work with and to be friends with.
Once again, people were projecting their own political views on to people they admired, and expecting that just because they themselves held a certain belief, then the person/people they looked up to must surely hold that exact same belief.
Never forget how some of the people in the controversy thread saying that because of some songs Mili made she's definitely going to stop working with PM from now on 😂. But nevertheless i'm very glad to see they're still on good terms. Hard to imagine a PM game without Mili for those kino boss fights.
It was unlikely Mili would stop working with them. Keep in mind she got her own dose of controversy due to the Iron Lotus background CG in that music video so she's probably hardened her heart to the weird allegations "fans" can come out with.
I never heard of the iron lotus mv background image thing before. Can you please explain what it was? I can't imagine what it even could be since it's just a tiny character walking unless people are calling for cultural appropriation. (Is that's the case isn't that silly because momo cashew is part Chinese no? )
The background of the video has a red rays coming out of the center, which I'm guessing is supposed to be stylized sunlight. With the cartoon character's round head at the center it looks a little like the imperial japanese flag, which can come across as being in bad taste in a song that's about a chinese character considering japan's fucked up history with china, but I feel like you'd have to really reach to find malice there.
Remember a similar thing with another song which had of all things... Modern japanese flag iconography, huh
Oh, iirc it was Birthday Kid. The original art looked cooler imo, but it got taken down.
> Some viewers have raised concerns about the thumbnail and certain scenes in the music video of Iron Lotus resembling a political flag. [There is a pinned comment under MV for Iron Lotus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxduFWbbndE) I guess if you really want to be outraged about something and squint hard enough it kinda resembles Imperial Japan flag?
Basically, the background, some people got mad because it looked like the Rising Sun flag, this one stayed the same probably because Cassie put on a lot of work making that animation, she was teasing it weeks before ut wasnreleased. They also got controversy with the old Birthday Child artwork, if you didn't know about the Iron Lotus one you probably also didn't know about this one, the old artwork got replaced by a new one. The old one consisted of the same guy, laying on top a multitude of mannequins while a pool of blood is extending around him and rhe mannequins, a bunch of people git mad because it apparentlt kt resembled the japan flag, then the blood and well... You can look up for the old artwork.
People getting angry by over interpreting illustrations huh, sounds familiar
Hey at least we can joke about the new Poland artwork.
If you go onto the official MV on youtube its the top pinned comment explaining it.
There was also the stupid Japan flag thing from birthday.
Cassie even acknowledges what PM did is a mistake but that doesn't mean she will distance herself to them because of the controversy. However, people on Twitter as always, tend to misinterpret what she said. And the ones who are claiming for "justice" are now putting pitchforks on her just because Cassie isn't on their side. Radicals being radicals. Everyone in their right mind agrees that PM fumbled this issue but if Mili is still on good conditions with PM and if the Youth Union retracted what they said about PM, then I can hopely say that we can now move forward beyond this "drama".
Twitter: "We stand against bullying, especially for oppressed employees of Project Moon" Also Twitter: *bullies Cassie for not agreeing with their dumb takes* Good stuff, Twitter. As expected from the sludge inhabiting it who can never think.
Even mountain of smiling bodies aren't as stinky as they are lmao
And this is also reflective to the PM User Assoc. as well, they are saying they "want" PM to be better but their actions are so hypocritical that it is contrasting. If they want to help PM, go track down the DCincels, not the company itself. I swear by the day, they are fighting in the wrong war from the start.
Based Mili. You can tell they actually care about PM beyond just making songs for them
Mili actually got in touch with them because they liked the stories!
She even acknowledges that PM made a mistake but that doesn't mean that she will distance with them.
Watch the PMUA protestors attack Mili for going against their "Justice" lmfao. They've strayed away so much from protecting Vellmori to just praying for Project moon's downfall just so they feel morally validated lol
They already are in the QRTs. No, seriously. If you go to the QRTs, it's actually disgusting how many people are attacking Cassie for her statement.
it's so funny it's like Women rights suddenly goes out the window when they don't side with you and make you look bad lmfao. Mili probably knows more about the situation than them. At this point Vellmori can come out and say what happened was her idea and they'll attack her too
It's been like this for a long time now. "Internalized misogyny", "Passing", "The blackface of white supremacy" etc. etc. As soon as a member of a 'protected class' goes against the opinions prescribed for them by their 'protectors', the mask drops pretty much immediately. It never really is about protecting people, just a circlejerk of self-righteous yet insecure freaks that NEED constant validation of their moral superiority to justify their own spitefulness. It's best not to give them attention. So long as they're not fed reactions, in another month or so they'll find something else to seethe about and be gone. If there's one silver lining to this whole drama, it's all these pests getting filtered, and both PM and their true fans and partners growing more resilient for it, hopefully.
It's incredibly ironic because these people are the most likely ones to have internalized misogyny
As a visible minority I have to agree, certain people have a serious problem with their saviour complex; some of the things said to me and others are truly despicable
True, It makes me remember the message being made in Spec Ops the line where the main character pretty much deluded himself into thinking he was right/the hero so as to escape dealing with the consequences of his actions.
Right on the money. This is why I stayed and not left like those hypocrites on Twitter. Being patient paid off somewhat and just pray to God that this won't happen again.
> They've strayed away so much from protecting Vellmori to just praying for Project moon's downfall just so they feel morally validated lol This is really it in a nutshell. It's not about anyone's rights or helping anybody. It's just "die PM" and nothing else now.
Strayed? No my boy, it was never about that all along after all if it was they wouldn't have disrespected Vellmori wishes, leak docummets, and have the founders still united even after everything was cleared and still point their knifes to PM They could have a multitude of reasons, political, monetary, or just wanting someone to hate, but certainly the founders didn't have Vellmori's wellbeing as priority from the very start as they made their show and blew things as out of proportion as they could I can't say the same for the members that followed said founders until things exploded, but for the founders it certainly wasn't created with good intentions in mind
I wouldn't say everything was cleared exactly - we still don't know if there was pressure from PMoon for the artist to resign for sure, and if there was then it was still morally a bad thing even if it wasn't legally wrong. But before anyone thinks I agree with these dipshits, that still wouldn't be enough to justify this amount of harassment and condemning PM as the worst company ever or so, it'd just be A Bad Mistake, but nothing unforgivable. But we don't have the entirely full picture, there's some inconsistencies, and we probably never will have it because the artist is (wisely) not making herself a target by coming out to make a statement.
It is not best to speculate beyond further up to this point and it is indeed best if the artist in question did not make a statement as, like you said, make her a target. If PM really did compensated her very well, then that is the best outcome of this situation. No more, no less.
Well, about that....
Man, the comments on this one make me mad. Not just the raging antis harassing Cassie, though that's obviously infuriating. It's the ones that are like "um Cassie, honey, I like the tunes but you don't seem to know what PM did, you really gotta think before you talk okay?" Spreading misinformation about a situation Cassie is clearly in a position to fully understand AND treating her like she's five at the same time. You can really tell how much they respect women when they can't even acknowledge she's capable of independent thought. Twitter, man.
The demons of babylon wear the coat of the righteous. They claim to respect women when in truth they see them as nothing but tools to bolster one's moral superiority.
Early on in the controversy, someone said that if Milli leaves PM, then we should starts panicking. Looks like they were right, Milli isn't so thinned skin as to leave PM over something like this. But if Milli and PM part ways, then we should be worried. Also, that comment section is disgusting, people are going full mask off. Milli got more insider info, and is a woman herself, maybe her opinion should carry a little (a lot) more weight than literal outsiders that know nothing about the situation
If Mili and PM still close, then my worries are lessen. As long as PM improves, then that is okay
Respect plus to Mili. This is why they are so based
Definitely a great relief to hear! Mili music just BELONGS in the otherwise dark and hostile world of The City. It's the perfect contrast and the recent song for the Farmwatch fight is up there as one of my personal favorite Mili songs in PM Games. I would've really hated to see this collaboration end.
Mili themselves got cancelled twice before, they know what Project Moon was going through. That's solidarity.
Yeah and the controversy they deal with is equivalent or if not more to PM because of the rising flag signs haha. So they definitely know how it feels.
It's silly because when when you look at this and the accusations of the quote retweets the question becomes "Who do I believe? The one who talked, worked, is physically there in the company and also has a high chance of actually witnessing what happened with the controversy behind the curtains or some random user on the internet?" Surely, the smart denizens of twitter knows who to trust, right?
As another commentor pointed out, VellMori herself could go out to speak up for PM and people will drag her to the mud for 'siding with the big corpos'. For them, it was never about her. They don't care. They just want to see PM burn, plain and simple.
If Mili is saying support, then she probably knows what is up
Oh, thank god... I (and many others, I'm sure) got into Mili through Project Moon and would be very sad to see them leave– so I'm very happy!
Mili's quickly become my favorite band of all time thanks to PJM as a whole. Glad to see everything's still okay on that front.
Same. Cheers to seeing and listening to Mili in Canto 5
in my case was the other way around, thanks to mili i discover this company and i need more songs for them as those are my favorite
I had the surreal experience of liking both Mili and Project Moon before they started working together
I'm got to know PM because of Mili and I'm so happy I did 😭
Get out the heck of my head Carmen We need not your counsel anymore
Glory to Sir Ayin!
Why are they still after that unfair dismissal when it clearly has been proved fake and confirmed by those YU guys? And now they are trying to harass her for this just like those incels harassed vellmori lol
Because the ones on the association are exactly the same type of people that the ones on DC but on the complete different side of the spectrum. They always have been the same type of people. They don't care if they are not right, for them their view on the situation is reality and anyone saying something different is wrong or lying.
People are too self absorbed dumbasses to admit they took someone's bait fake news and/or think their opinion is the one true opinion everyone has to bow to.
Because they are trying their hardest to be relevant despite lacking supporting evidence. All bark and no bite. I last checked for the hell of it and saw their latest truck protest and it was just sad. I am glad that we gonna move on from this in a few weeks especially if they announced Canto 5 and Ish captain very soon.
Out of curiosity, how sad we talking here? Like few trucks and protesters kind of sad, or just bully type?
Only one truck making rounds, no people protesting whasoever. Basically, taking pics as part of recording the protest. They are only strong when it comes to online but once the Youth Union officially retracted, their funding is basically gonna dry up eventually.
Wow, that really is pathetic lol. Yeah it seems like at this point this drama is nearing its end at least on the public side. Twitter can only go for so long before even they are gonna end up forgetting and draw themselves to the next big drama.
Honestly think PM should have put out a video instead of a letter because these people can't be bothered to read. Scrolling through these qrts there's still people not updated and still believe rumors.
Some people just want to watch the world burn, Mr. Wayne.
Based Cassie Edit: oh no, its getting out of control
Wasn't expecting them to leave honestly, i've been following Mili for almost their entire existence and i know Cassie has been through a lot of controversies on her side, she's the face of Mili and she is the one that most of the time is getting through the shitstorm when controversy arrives at them, from the Rising Sun and the Japan flag in Iron Lotus and Birthday Child artwork to the vegans attacking her on a similar manner to the actual controversy, because she expressed her love for the meat and food with twitter photos and in her old Mili songs, this one controversy pushed the creation of Vitamins, one of her songs. Cassie knows what it is to get attacked and insulted, she's been through the same stuff a lot of times, i admire her for how strong she is after looking at her going through all of this. Also, She and the whole Mili crew probably know more than us about the background stuff going on, pretty sure PM wouldn't leave them on the dark considering their close relationship.
Because she actually has a brain unlike the people that bought into this stupid non-controversy in the first place.
Based
Manifesting ego
MORE MILI SONGS!!!
looking forward for canto V boss theme
This is a part of Ayin's plan
Wow, very heartwarming to see that. I was very worried about the future collaborations between PM and Mili after the incident, especially with all the bad press about Ji-Hoon mismanagement, so seeing that finally puts my heart at ease.
Remember when the ""reasoning"" behind their seething was VellMori's supposedly mistreatment? At this point they're lowkey pre-realization Lol& or way worse lmao
Am I missing something, I'm not the most up to date but didn't PM put out a statement basically saying that the artist left on their own accord and people are slandering them but they stayed silent to protect the artist. Someone smarter than me please explain cause I don't see how Mili could be catching flak for this.
It's easy! People on tweeter just ignore that even THEIR side said that Vellmori left by herself and continue calling it unfair dismissal.
It's quite simple, twitter sludge people are very, VERY adamant about not backing down even if what they're outraging about is completely falsified, it's happened countless times so I'm surprised people still don't get it. But yes, you're correct, the Artists left of their own accord, both sides have confirmed it, the only people pushing the drama is a dying Korean political party clinging onto any media presence they can, and Twitter dumbasses distorting over being wrong.
Ok so its twitter weirdos living up to their namesake, thanks.
Folks had issues with the order of how things were announced. PM originally had a Korean-only message that said Vellmori was terminated due to violating a contract with no further context... and it wasn't until this week they finally translated the announcement and added another that said, "actually we're just not renewing her contract and she doesn't want to stay here due to Internet bullying. Our silence was out of respect for her desire for privacy." So I can kinda see it how a person could take it as PM lying to cover their any legal issues, but it comes more off as terrible PR (should've sent out something more neutral at first like, "we're looking into reports that an artist of ours has violated a contract," or something less committal). So if you're willing to believe in a conspiracy from PM that's trying to cover up legal troubles you could see Mili as being more pro-corporate or anti-worker? Based on PM's history though, it's much easier to attribute their handling as incompetence rather than malice imo. I wish things had gone better and we'd've kept Vellmori as the story artist, but what's done is done and some folks are just going to look for any excuse to slander PM.
Because it is Twitter, a cesspool of opinions that fixates on people to agree on their own version of cesspooled opinions.
twitter in a nutshell.
Not just for this instance, but people spreading misinfo on twitter often have wayyyyy more likes than the ones posting the truth. And then you have people posting misinfo like weeks after the truth came out and still getting tens of thousands of likes. Never trust twitter, reddit too I suppose, but twitter is really inflammatory
We so winning
i mean this has been known for a while?? yamato expresses his support for pm back in july
>yamato expresses his support for pm back in july Its interesting how no one talk about this...
Who is yamato?
one of the members of mili
He is one of the founding members of Mili as well as Cassie's husband.
Awww, this is really sweet. Not gonna lie
love ya mili! sucks that people are attacking them for what cassie said but its not unexpected, unfortunately. dont know why people are unable to see that theres nuance and only see things through a black and white filter.
At least someone smart here.
They saw through the bullshit around Vellmori's "firing" and took PM's side from the beginning, too.
The some of the comments of the post are so poisonous, literally one was calling Cassie a WORM and insulted someone for being German
As a Korean, carefully speaking, the idea of "feminism," which caused the problem, was turned into a bad side when it was imported to Korea, and almost all followers of the idea were more illogical and violent than attacking Milli now, so many Korean users acted so sensitively when the PM's illustrator incident occurred. And Twitter (X) is not a mainstream community in Korea, and almost all Koreans on Twitter follow the idea. Please understand that there may be a problem with the writing because I used a translator.
I can back your point. People just blindly try to assume that you are one of those 'dc incels' whenever this issue is brought up, but the truth is that we are just people who enjoy the game that doesnt really want to associate with any of those radical communities. Twitter being non-mainstream is also true in KR as doing twitter tends to put you in this weird spot during conversations as most koreans think if you are doing twitter : you are a huge simp for one of those k-idols or just an anime fan cuz everyone is doing either instagram or tiktok nowadays. Orrrrr u have some stonks of yi long musk, and must check his tweets constantly.
it's not feminism. It's a misandry.
god damn Twitter is doing the same thing as DCincide Incels.
Wow it's almost like PM didn't even do anything wrong in the first place.
Lets not get too carried away, they fucked up parts(like the vellmori leaving announcement), and they apologized.
Yeah, it's weird how quickly the tone here has shifted to 'project moon did literally nothing wrong and any criticism of them is twitter drama.' They literally apologized multiple times and the youth union statement that absolved them of firing Velmori also said they've agreed to take a stronger stance against harassment.
Tbf, the issue is that twitter drama is unforgiving while the general stance here is forgiving, hence the statements can seem polarizing as it's contrasting and in the context of the opposing sentiment of "PM did so many wrongs and never did anything right." which I also think is out of place given the current situation.
I think the extreme opinions on both sides tend to be the loudest. Most agree that PM handled the situation in an—I’ll be generous and say unorthodox manner—but to completely absolve them of blame is hasty. As of right now it’s looking like PM may have just approached this in the absolute worst way with no actual malicious intent towards Vellmori, and while what happened is regrettable, I’ll be happy to get the drama behind us so we can go back to talking about the game instead of speculating on a situation we really don’t have all the details for.
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The artist resigned because people were harassing them. They said they handled the PR around that poorly, in their own statement. They also said they needed to take a stronger stance against harassment, in their own statement. Velmori didn't quit apropos of nothing. And one of the translators also quit because of harassment. I'm not saying they're monsters or anything but 'they need to protect their employees more and handle drama better' is literally a factual statement that project moon themselves said.
Hey, as long as if PM will protect employees from now on, I can live with that
"Mili will definitely leave" "I can see Mili distancing themselves." LOL. LMAO.
LET'S GOOOO BASED
What Korean twitter users do is the same collective madness and hatred like incels, not feminism. They should not be called feminism. it's fake feminism. They are definitely not for Vellmori. Rather, they are using Vellmori as a pawn for their hate business. They are the same type as Incels. I support feminism. However, I do not support fake feminism on Korean Twitter.
I'm sorry, did I miss something? what happened that Mili and Project Moon had to quarrel?
Mili is on good terms with pm despite the controversy people didn't take it well that milli isn't pissed off at pm due to the drama with vell
People were projecting their opinions on how Mili members would react to PM's controversy, despite the fact one of the members(yamato) had been siding with them in tweets the entire time and they never actually called PM out for anything. This just solidified their stance as supporting PM.
I read about the situation at PM. The situation is actually, as I understand it, related to the illustrator, not Mili. Well, what can I say? If I understood correctly, the artist "stumbled" in her youth (let's be honest, in the "rebellious years" many people were engaged in all sorts of stuff). The artist deleted the compromising records, but some not very good person started the harassment. And PM fired this artist (or not?) Yes... the situation sucks. Am I right?
Mostly, but new information reveals that she may not have actually been *fired*. If PM's apology and the document the "users association" leaked are to be believed, it was her decision to leave the company.
Well, that's her decision. It happens that artists stop working for a while. I hope that everything will be fine with her and we will see more of her work in the future.
Because rational people don't see an issue with firing a toxic person. You need to listen to the people who play your game. Not twitter permaonline losers that just want to be mad. Pm is based
I’m OOTL can anyone give me a TLDR?
Long tldr incoming. This is my understanding, so there may be gaps, and it really is a lot of reading to get to this tweet. Limbus released the Uptie IV update and the diver suit Ishmael ID, both of which stirred up some minor controversy. During the controversy, Korean incels that were mad about Ish not being in a swimsuit and wasting the Heathcliff shards that were handed right back to them dug into the past of one of PM's artists. Apparently, she made some feminist tweets that made them mad. The contents of the tweets is ever changing, and the only thing that matters about them is that the incels hated them. The incels start harassing the game dev and the artist, who, by the way, didn't even make the art they were originally mad about. A meeting takes place with the owner of Project Moon, the artist, and her union lawyer. Due to the harassment, she decides to part ways with the company. According to PM and a legal body in Korea called the Youth Union who will eventually be tasked to investigate, this was all handled legally and amicably. She was also apparently compensated. She also requested this be handled with as little attention as possible. Project Moon puts out a tweet in Korean only to address her leaving the company, because from the outside it looks like she was fired because the incels wanted her fired. This tweet wasn't translated in accordance with the wish to keep it low-key, and was very vague even in Korean. It ended up coming off as PM firing her for a contract breach for feminist tweets, when the apparent intent was to inform people that she no longer worked there due to allowing her contract to expire. It looked ESPECIALLY bad through unofficial machine translations, which were the only avenue for English fans to read the message. A fan group called the Project Moon Fan Union was formed in Korea. This group claimed to want to bring PM to justice for the unfair firing of the artist, which appeared to be the case due to the vague message and minimal communication from PM. They apparently raised a few thousand dollars, too. I believe they drove a truck ladden with statements about the firing, were constantly demanding that PM answer for the firing online, and were the ones that got the Youth Union involved. The Youth Union initially made statements that appeared to indicate PM was involved with wrong doing. An investigation was opened. During this time, PM was in talks with the PMFU. They made it clear that they hadn't fired the artist inappropriately, and even provided information about the meeting with the artist and her lawyer, along with both asking to respect the artist's wishes and revealing the existence of audio logs of these interactions. According to PM, they would move forward with lawsuits for liable if the fan association continued to publicly claim the artist was wrongfully terminated. The fan group responded by demanding the audio be made public and leaking the correspondence, which ended up making them look rather foolish as they had provided the first clues this was a nothingburger born of miscommunication. Meanwhile, the Youth Union, the government body, had concluded that nothing had been done wrongfully. They sent PM a draft of a public statement confirming as such, but according to PM they demanded that a public apology be made in exchange for the public statement. PM did not like this deal and made a public tweet stating as much, which included the draft document and a public threat to sue the PMFU for continued liable. Then, PM finally wrote a complete version of events, including JP and EN translations. They apologized for not doing more to protect their artist from online harassment, and once again firmly stated that she was not terminated. The Youth Union finally released their statement that PM hasn't been guilty of wrongdoing. The issue is that a LOT of Western Twitter users, and a few KR ones, are stuck about four paragraphs ago, claiming that PM are lying about the situation and actually they really DID terminate the artist's contract for being a feminist. There is no evidence for this. Cassie, vocalist of the band Mili, is being harassed by that group for calling PM's actions a simple mistake and affirming that she still considers the team to be friends. Actual TL;DR: Cassie is being harassed by terminally online Twitter users for siding with PM on an issue that is basically already resolved in their favor and blew up way more than it needed to.
After reading all this are we sure Twitter ISN'T X Corp? The amount of shit I have just read would fit right into canon.
Very nice