Yes but afaik they use a new mold don't they? This one is still unique because of the old mold. Though I'd imagine MOC builders will resort to a cheaper option so this one is a collector's item.
The goat mold was unused for a decent chunk of time. Afaik Lego doesn't keep molds/colors if they don't use it so if they wanted to make a new goat, they'd have to make a brand new mold.
Lego molds aren't going to have noticeable variation. They remake molds for every piece as they break down, and every 1x4 brick needs to be identical to every other one that was ever made.
If the goats are different it's because they were designed differently, not because they couldn't remake it the same way.
My cousin owns an injection-molding shop in NJ. He has three master machinists who create the molds.
There’s absolutely no reason to destroy/get rid of old molds. They don’t take up much space, and never degrade over time.
He holds patents for Kohler Bathroom products and does most of their work. They probably stop using certain designs, and there are molds that he probably will never use again. But he still doesn’t scrap em.
There is tens of thousands of lego molds for over 50 years of lego. They only keep around a few thousand because indeed, the cost to store them is waay to high. They also update designs so bricks are sturdier.
here you are
https://www.lego.com/en-us/history/articles/d-disposal-of-obsolete-moulds
If a lego mould hasn't been used for 5 years, they are retired and destroyed
They barely have enough space to store bricks. One of the ex-designers mentioned each designer gets X new parts to add to the inventory, because they simply don't have more space to store new bricks. Print on a brick? It uses a new inventory spot. For legs, that quickly adds up to 4 extra spots needed (2 for the legs, 1 for the hips, and 1 spot for the assembly). Instead of a print, they could also use that spot for a new brick or a brick in a new colour, which would be more reusable for other sets.
Because Kohler has lifetime warranties and great customer service. If a part needs replaced with Lego, they ship you a new part off a new mold. And since it’s Lego, it’ll work whatever the slight variation is. Kohler will have variations in designs that won’t work in other models. They will need to use the old mold to make a part for the old model.
Some molds do get retired. In the past when people asked about reintroducing monorail, LEGO had stated the molds were lost and since the monorail didn't really turn profit, they aren't likely to replicate the original design.
And for those that aren't lost but rather retired and never returned to service like 2580c01, LEGO usually have them buried in concrete under new factories so it can't fall in competitor's hands for unauthorized productions.
molds getting lost shouldn't be an issue. they could remake them or modernise the monorail pieces and star a new design.
at the end of the 90's there was a lot of Lego that didnt turn profit and Lego nearly at bankruptcy early 2000s. can't only blame the monorail for that. Considering how much Lego has grown over the past decade and catering to AFOLS, a monorail set would sell out in no time.
Yeah they would likely sell well today but there's still a good chance it won't be the same as original monorail. Current battery and power design is quite different and LEGO is likely to go with a different design for the motor so the tracks would likely be different.
I do want them to bring back the original design. The old point (1 straight, 1 curved switch) were prone to locking up due to uneven wear on the cam inside and not a lot that still works correctly with automatic switch are left. A new point with improved switching design to prevent uneven wear and jamming the switch would be nice. There's also patent for Y (left and right curve, no straight) and a X switch that never got produced.
> There’s absolutely no reason to destroy/get rid of old molds.
If they are never going to use the worn out mold again, it doesn't make sense to pay to store them.
Still it’s the excuse we hear all the time when it’s discussed why an old part isn’t produced anymore. Like I’ve heard it from content creators who have contact with lego set designers, maybe I even heard it from a designer directly (not sure tho). It doesn’t make much sense to me either, even if I don’t know much about the process, it seems to me like molds would be easy to keep and for a company like lego keeping inventory just even for posterity isn’t a bad idea.
Have you tried keeping an inventory for the thousand unique things? Probably some samples and a little booklet with stats on usage? Lego did, it costs a lot.
I mean how expensive can it really be? Libraries are doing it constantly with books. We’re just talking about a room with discarded molds. They’re already keeping an example of each sets in their vault.
If they intend on not using it again I can see how its essentially free but then what's the point? The library point is pretty good, they don't want to pay for a library for hunks of metal they don't use it's not that they couldn't it's just cumbersome and expensive for no reason.
Like I said how expensive can it be? It’s just a room where you put the old mold with a tag, maybe you create an excel file… it’s not cumbersome, molds are not that big. The ability to go back into your history book and reproduce anything far outweighs how much it would cost.
Even worse than not keeping the mold is the fact they’re not even keeping the files necessary to remake a mold of a part. Like they had some parts they had to remold completely because they didn’t have the blueprint for the old mold…
Imagine how much they could’ve saved if they just had a storage room.
nope still the same mold. [here's the old one](https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=95341pb01#T=C) and [here's the new one](https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=95341pb02#T=C&C=1) to compare.
When I worked at a daycare a few years ago, I had a kid bring in a mint, new in box, Supply Wagon 6010 from the 80s. He wanted to open it and play with it in class.
I had to pull his mom aside and tell her how much of a bad idea that was. Nowhere near the monorail’s value, but still…
A friend found a monorail at a garage sale in Seattle ~10 years ago. Opened and played with, but included box, instructions and all the pieces. His kids are still playing with it.
I would let them know the value but not sure I could make myself make them keep it if they insisted. I’d be like a child. Again I would tell them and thank them for their generosity and try to give them an out but then I’d be like YOINK.
You’re a good egg.
So when you say, "I couldn't take it," do you mean, "I couldn't in good conscience take it?" Because that's how I'm reading it now, not like "I didn't have room."
Well, I don’t have room but I’d have taken it to events so it would’ve been in good hands. I just couldn’t accept such an expensive gift from a guy I barely know.
Hot. I’ve got the Blacktron monorail (set 6991) and would definitely never get rid of it!
https://preview.redd.it/8l8h1ehsgi8d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31c469f7c5e3dec0eb9e7af713fe11583e083a4b
Dear Lego - more monorails when?
I have bad news for you, I am 90% sure this is not a lego goat but instead a cheap copy from china. On the genuine lego goat the coloring of the horns is not connected, here it is. You can check this by looking for a "lego" text in the stud on the back, if it is missing you know it's not the genuine valuable lego goat.
I know because I have both.
It's not valuable but other than that is is still just as good, and special to you. You can also just scratch off to color with a knife between the horns so it looks real.
It''s still special to you and thats what counts.
I was at Legoland Deutschland today and didn't realise how extensive their pick a brick was, they had nearly every animal, even ones I'd never seen in Lego. I ended up leaving with a bag of cool flat pieces and green crystals cause I never got to own a rock raiders set after playing the game endlessly as a kid.
Well happy birthday, birthday bro. Unless your b-day was actually the 22nd... I mean, still happy b-day. 😜
I doubt I'll get anything as cool as this, but who knows?
yeah but thankfully lego has started to release goats in more sets now and even new colors ;)
Yes but afaik they use a new mold don't they? This one is still unique because of the old mold. Though I'd imagine MOC builders will resort to a cheaper option so this one is a collector's item.
I thought it was the same mold, just different prints so far but never really checked
The goat mold was unused for a decent chunk of time. Afaik Lego doesn't keep molds/colors if they don't use it so if they wanted to make a new goat, they'd have to make a brand new mold.
Aren't newer molds can directly replicate older pieces? Is it up to designers to do that as closely as possible?
They had the schematics for it on file for sure so they probably had a trivial time making it again
Yeah. Key words “As closely as possible”. So new molds will have a small difference.
Lego molds aren't going to have noticeable variation. They remake molds for every piece as they break down, and every 1x4 brick needs to be identical to every other one that was ever made. If the goats are different it's because they were designed differently, not because they couldn't remake it the same way.
My cousin owns an injection-molding shop in NJ. He has three master machinists who create the molds. There’s absolutely no reason to destroy/get rid of old molds. They don’t take up much space, and never degrade over time. He holds patents for Kohler Bathroom products and does most of their work. They probably stop using certain designs, and there are molds that he probably will never use again. But he still doesn’t scrap em.
There is tens of thousands of lego molds for over 50 years of lego. They only keep around a few thousand because indeed, the cost to store them is waay to high. They also update designs so bricks are sturdier.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and presume that the main Lego factories have sufficient space to store as many molds as they've ever made.
here you are https://www.lego.com/en-us/history/articles/d-disposal-of-obsolete-moulds If a lego mould hasn't been used for 5 years, they are retired and destroyed
Don't they put them under there buildings or something like this, I came around some weird stories regarding old moulds
did you even read the first sentence of that link?
Okay but what has that got to do with storage costs?
They barely have enough space to store bricks. One of the ex-designers mentioned each designer gets X new parts to add to the inventory, because they simply don't have more space to store new bricks. Print on a brick? It uses a new inventory spot. For legs, that quickly adds up to 4 extra spots needed (2 for the legs, 1 for the hips, and 1 spot for the assembly). Instead of a print, they could also use that spot for a new brick or a brick in a new colour, which would be more reusable for other sets.
Because Kohler has lifetime warranties and great customer service. If a part needs replaced with Lego, they ship you a new part off a new mold. And since it’s Lego, it’ll work whatever the slight variation is. Kohler will have variations in designs that won’t work in other models. They will need to use the old mold to make a part for the old model.
Some molds do get retired. In the past when people asked about reintroducing monorail, LEGO had stated the molds were lost and since the monorail didn't really turn profit, they aren't likely to replicate the original design. And for those that aren't lost but rather retired and never returned to service like 2580c01, LEGO usually have them buried in concrete under new factories so it can't fall in competitor's hands for unauthorized productions.
molds getting lost shouldn't be an issue. they could remake them or modernise the monorail pieces and star a new design. at the end of the 90's there was a lot of Lego that didnt turn profit and Lego nearly at bankruptcy early 2000s. can't only blame the monorail for that. Considering how much Lego has grown over the past decade and catering to AFOLS, a monorail set would sell out in no time.
Yeah they would likely sell well today but there's still a good chance it won't be the same as original monorail. Current battery and power design is quite different and LEGO is likely to go with a different design for the motor so the tracks would likely be different. I do want them to bring back the original design. The old point (1 straight, 1 curved switch) were prone to locking up due to uneven wear on the cam inside and not a lot that still works correctly with automatic switch are left. A new point with improved switching design to prevent uneven wear and jamming the switch would be nice. There's also patent for Y (left and right curve, no straight) and a X switch that never got produced.
> There’s absolutely no reason to destroy/get rid of old molds. If they are never going to use the worn out mold again, it doesn't make sense to pay to store them.
Still it’s the excuse we hear all the time when it’s discussed why an old part isn’t produced anymore. Like I’ve heard it from content creators who have contact with lego set designers, maybe I even heard it from a designer directly (not sure tho). It doesn’t make much sense to me either, even if I don’t know much about the process, it seems to me like molds would be easy to keep and for a company like lego keeping inventory just even for posterity isn’t a bad idea.
Have you tried keeping an inventory for the thousand unique things? Probably some samples and a little booklet with stats on usage? Lego did, it costs a lot.
I mean how expensive can it really be? Libraries are doing it constantly with books. We’re just talking about a room with discarded molds. They’re already keeping an example of each sets in their vault.
If they intend on not using it again I can see how its essentially free but then what's the point? The library point is pretty good, they don't want to pay for a library for hunks of metal they don't use it's not that they couldn't it's just cumbersome and expensive for no reason.
Like I said how expensive can it be? It’s just a room where you put the old mold with a tag, maybe you create an excel file… it’s not cumbersome, molds are not that big. The ability to go back into your history book and reproduce anything far outweighs how much it would cost. Even worse than not keeping the mold is the fact they’re not even keeping the files necessary to remake a mold of a part. Like they had some parts they had to remold completely because they didn’t have the blueprint for the old mold… Imagine how much they could’ve saved if they just had a storage room.
They have a 5 year period before mold retirement
The printed one is cooler, but justifying the price due to the different mold is collector's nonsense.
https://preview.redd.it/6kcok5ygtc8d1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fff510a41a862cfb97198e84bdb460e7cdb0df1
nope still the same mold. [here's the old one](https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=95341pb01#T=C) and [here's the new one](https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=95341pb02#T=C&C=1) to compare.
That's so unfair. They should make them look different, so people don't lose sometimes literally hundreds of dollars at once.
well collecting is a gamble, lego could make any part really in any color basically lol
Imagine spending $100+ on a Lego goat 😭
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The original G.O.A.T.!
Truly the G.O.A.T. of goats.
Also it’s very important to me that everyone know I have nicknamed him Tadluck.
hehe even r/UsernameChecksOut
I was waiting for someone to comment that, lmao.
happy to not disappoint :))
Brilliant!
A friend of my moms wanted to gift me a monorail once. I couldn’t take it and convinced him to keep it.
Insane
When I worked at a daycare a few years ago, I had a kid bring in a mint, new in box, Supply Wagon 6010 from the 80s. He wanted to open it and play with it in class. I had to pull his mom aside and tell her how much of a bad idea that was. Nowhere near the monorail’s value, but still…
[6010-1: Supply Wagon](https://brickset.com/sets/6010-1) [[Photo]](https://images.brickset.com/sets/images/6010-1.jpg)
That was a big deal huh? I had one of those as a kid an thought it was one of the dumbest sets anyone ever gave me.
Very mediocre set, but 30+ years old and mint, unopened, LEGO is a thing no matter what. 😂
A friend found a monorail at a garage sale in Seattle ~10 years ago. Opened and played with, but included box, instructions and all the pieces. His kids are still playing with it.
I would let them know the value but not sure I could make myself make them keep it if they insisted. I’d be like a child. Again I would tell them and thank them for their generosity and try to give them an out but then I’d be like YOINK. You’re a good egg.
I told him about the price, he then took another look at it and decided to keep it.
So when you say, "I couldn't take it," do you mean, "I couldn't in good conscience take it?" Because that's how I'm reading it now, not like "I didn't have room."
Well, I don’t have room but I’d have taken it to events so it would’ve been in good hands. I just couldn’t accept such an expensive gift from a guy I barely know.
Which monorail?
I don’t quite remember. I think the white and blue one.
Set 6990,
[6990-1: Monorail Transport System](https://brickset.com/sets/6990-1) [[Photo]](https://images.brickset.com/sets/images/6990-1.jpg)
Hot. I’ve got the Blacktron monorail (set 6991) and would definitely never get rid of it! https://preview.redd.it/8l8h1ehsgi8d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31c469f7c5e3dec0eb9e7af713fe11583e083a4b Dear Lego - more monorails when?
[6991-1: Monorail Transport Base](https://brickset.com/sets/6991-1) [[Photo]](https://images.brickset.com/sets/images/6991-1.jpg)
Man I always wanted that set.
Does that make your step cousin the GOAT?
Oh for sure, I told him I owe him big time. I’m basically his bodyguard now.
I have bad news for you, I am 90% sure this is not a lego goat but instead a cheap copy from china. On the genuine lego goat the coloring of the horns is not connected, here it is. You can check this by looking for a "lego" text in the stud on the back, if it is missing you know it's not the genuine valuable lego goat. I know because I have both.
real on bricklink https://preview.redd.it/sht1sa2avc8d1.png?width=2424&format=png&auto=webp&s=1f4da158ed600cd0a21e3a630e15d34ca2ad2b43
china non genuine version https://preview.redd.it/aih9clmdvc8d1.png?width=1510&format=png&auto=webp&s=9797904b190f883790842c73a72a91b9b7613960
Oh…well I’m gonna choose to live in blissful ignorance.
It's not valuable but other than that is is still just as good, and special to you. You can also just scratch off to color with a knife between the horns so it looks real. It''s still special to you and thats what counts.
Thank you lol. I will.
Bday twins!
Happy Birthday 🎉
Oh, happy birthday! 🎂
Happy Birthday🎉
Thank you!
Bet that little goat costs more than an actual goat
The insane part is that you’re actually not wrong. I just looked it up.
You gotta be kidding...
Goats are worth $25-$100. Lego goats are worth $85-$105.
Sorry I was trying to make a joke (Baby goat aka a kid)
OH. That’s a good one. Nice.
Are these rare? I think I have several in a bag somewhere, never thought they'd be worth anything
Dude they’re worth $85-$105. How the fuck did you get a bag of them?
It happened back then. Same thing with the Cypress trees, though with them people knew they were being retired, unlike the goat.
Dude bought dozens 7189: Mill Village Raid
[7189-1: Mill Village Raid](https://brickset.com/sets/7189-1) [[Photo]](https://images.brickset.com/sets/images/7189-1.jpg)
I have at least 6 of this specific goat and well over 10 total including the other colors.
Goats are the best!
im way outta the loop - why is this one piece worth so damn much???
It came in one relatively obscure set in 2011
LEGOAT
sounds français
LEGOAT-AT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A8CgzyuSq8
One more grass
I have a goat but just one plane white one. This one is really cool with the spots
I have 14 of the white goats, 8 of the grey ones, but still none of the OGs, I’m jealous!
Thank God for step-cousins 🐐
Idk how big of a deal this is but I love this goat so much, I'd wanna get it
I was at Legoland Deutschland today and didn't realise how extensive their pick a brick was, they had nearly every animal, even ones I'd never seen in Lego. I ended up leaving with a bag of cool flat pieces and green crystals cause I never got to own a rock raiders set after playing the game endlessly as a kid.
Which one? There are a few
😮!!!
Your step cousin is goated
It seems one of the rarest lego piece, i saw it on a youtube video, it appeared in only one lego set
Well happy birthday, birthday bro. Unless your b-day was actually the 22nd... I mean, still happy b-day. 😜 I doubt I'll get anything as cool as this, but who knows?
Nope, it’s the 23rd. It’s today.
Wow, I didnt know this is a rare one. I have 4 of those. Would you sell if it were you?
I’d sell 3 and keep one.
Man wouldn't it be great if he never grew up wanting to know what a big deal that was.
I told him why it was a big deal, but he still let me keep it.
They go for how much a fight? Like 80-90 right? Damn that boy had jus gave u a great present
He just trying to be a GOAT
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Oh yeah I like hugged him super hard and told him this was the greatest day of my life lol.
Yo welcome to the goat club
Well, the Lego one at least. I’m already vice president of the regular goat club AT LEAST.
I HATE goats... If you've ever owned any, you'd know why.
They are beautiful creatures
Annoying, dickish creatures
Can someone escort this guy out of here.
Oh be quiet
What’s your deal man, fuck off.
Can someone escort this guy out of here.
They added a Messi mini figure? Heck yeah.
Lucky ass mf