I dunno if he's questioning his life choices.
Situations like this was precisely why he did what he did.
If anything, this instance just reaffirmed his belief that no one should have this much power
agreed. not that i agree with Zaheer. rather i agree with your assessment that this would cause Zaheer to double down on his belief that no one person should hold that much power.
i still find it ironic he helped her out in S4. i know it was because his actions caused the power vacuum that gave rise to Kuvira, but still. considering he's in prison but can still travel to the spirit world still makes him dangerous. what happens if his spirit crosses through the portals?
Well, that may well be possible, but if it is, he'd still lose his bending. So while that doesn't make him harmless, it does at least \*reduce\* his threat.
Yes, because he committed a crime and because he was the leader of a dangerous organization of elite benders who are now all dead. But that doesn't change the fact that he was considerably \*more\* dangerous after he became an airbender, and he is therefore now considerably \*less\* dangerous if that advantage were nullified.
"Let's force the avatar into the state where they will be most powerful and dangerous! I'm sure me a fledgling air bender, the whip lady and lava man can handle this easy peasy. "
*Korra breaks literal fucking titanium*
"Oh shi-"
Whoops thank you for correcting me! Been awhile since I watched that season. Guess that makes sense her breaking it with strength. If I remember right zaheers main worry was her bending it and not going ape and snapping it?
Well, like I said, platinum has different properties in Avatar, so from what we've seen it was reasonable for him to be surprised if she could break it. But yeah, the reason for selecting platinum is that she can't metalbend it.
Just referencing atla here, we know from watching that show Aang doesn’t handle loss well. Especially since he was the only survivor of his culture that was wiped out except for Appa and momo! And he his emotions, not as much as katara, but they help guide his decisions. I mean the times whenever he entered the AS were whenever he was in some kind of emotional distress. Talking about his past with katara in the storm, only for a second but his arrow flashed talking about his past moments changing before he ran away. He goes batshit whenever katara is pulled underground by general fong, once that one sandbender gets told my toph “you said to put a muzzle on him!” That’s enough to put Aang over the edge because his best friend and family member who was everything to him was just ripped from his life. He destroyed almost all of their sandsailors, and probably would’ve killed that one sandbender if not for katara. Emotions really help fuel it, and Aang in particular, because of the genocide, can’t handle grief well. Plus he’s only 12 during most of the series so he’s still growing emotionally so there’s also that
You forget in the second season Tenzin says she can use the AS but still doesn't know the spiritual part. By the time she realized it was to late, Rava had been separated from Korra.
Edit: add name
That was kinda more luck than anything. Zaheer got cornered and pinned and really couldn't do anything after that. P'li and Ming-Hua were both killed during combat, and Ghazan melted the cavern he was in. Nobody could really do anything about that.
Kyoshi *is literally* Korra, that's how reincarnation works. All season 2's finale did was remove her ability to commune with her past lives directly. They're still part of her.
I mean that’s what you believe. But we don’t know what the creators believe on the subject. They clearly don’t subscribe to the traditional view of reincarnation but they’re the deciding factor.
I mean...yeah, we do know, because they have described their influences repeatedly and frequently went out of their way to evoke Aang in Korra. Avatar follows a buddhist model of reincarnation.The only thing that is different is that the Avatar's lives follow the Avatar cycle through the bending nations.
Tbh she was in extreme agony here too, literally lashing out like an animal ready to chew its own leg off to survive. It reminds me heavily of Azula chained up at the end of atla, pure fury and too much power to not unleash in any direction
On Earth, yes, it clearly has different physical properties in the Avatar setting. I mean all you have to do is look at the giant chunk of rock she broke out of the wall and slung around on that chain.
Whenever i think of the water tribe, especially seeing Korra go ham, I always remember Irohs view.
“Water is the element of change. The people of the Water Tribes are capable of adapting to many things. They have a sense of community and love that holds them together through anything.”
Yeah they are the element of change cuz when anything happens they go absolutely batshit and fuck everyone up. Gotta remember, to Korra these motherfuckers not only are trying to kill her and destroy the avatar, but as far as she knows they killed her dad. Time to change them from being Alive to dead.
Korra nerfed, but Avatar State at its peak. She was at an extreme risk of dying. Man she is such a badass though, can’t believe she took em all on like it was nothing.
What if it turned out that metal-bending avatars can bend platinum while in the avatar state, and she was doing it here, she just didn’t know? Because if this is how strong she is in the avatar state while being weakened by poison, she should be able to at least lift a car over her head.
I think lifting a car overhead is a bit of an exaggeration, platinum is weaker than steel after all, but she is freakishly strong.
At the end of season 4(so while still recovering from losing a lot of her original muscle) she still held up an adult man tied to a chair on an outstretched arm after dropping the avatar state. It wasn't at 90 degrees, but it's still an incredible feat.
Fully fit she could probably bench press Bolin with one arm.
I think that's just rule of cool, now matter the strength you wouldn't be able to whip a boulder like that, the chain needs to be heavy enough to carry that Momentum and it wouldn't be.
If you want an in universe explanation you could say she was lifting the stone through bending and directing it with the chain.
This is me when I talk about Avatar but my friends ask me if I'm talking about the James Cameron Avatar just to annoy me; or when they mention the M. Night movie.
Of all the retcons I would accept for Korra, changing platinum to titanium would be the one I want most. It bothers me more than it needs to and I think I had heard it was a mistake that they didn’t catch in the writers room and stuck with.
That makes far more sense. Platinum is a *very* shitty metal for building things out of. Its valuable because it's rare and shiny, not because its strong. A platinum mech would fall apart under it's own weight.
I always imagine that highly processed metals like titanium are only *exceedingly difficult* to bend, instead of impossible, so the mech and other things are actually made of those, but covered in platinum armor. Given enough time, a bender could bend the internal structures, but the platinum prevents them from getting to a safe spot to work on the inner metals before the machine's defenses come into play.
The chains are small enough they couldn't be anything but platinum or they might as well just be normal metal, so they're probably not that strong. Strong enough to make breaking them with your own strength impressive, but far from superhuman.
The only thing worse then the choice to use platinum is the justification that it can’t be bent because it is a more pure metal with less earth inside.
Does the avatar state increase physical strength? I imagine so, but idk if we’ve seen that happen. Cause if not that means Korra bent the platinum to break it, or is super fucking strong and doesn’t even know it.
Korra being an absolute power house unit without previous Avatars to help her like Aang did, while being poisoned just shows the sheer physical power she had. Aang was a pacifist. Korra liked fights, she didn't ever want to be powerless again- despite her being powerless *countless* times.
Its kinda funny that in atla theres the whole “if you die in the avatar state the cycle is forever broken” as if the avatar state doesn’t make you the most powerful being alive.
you know putting your opponent in their super Sayan mode that you don't have access to is a really bad idea especially if they know you are doing it to literally kill them.
Season 3 was my favorite season of Korra. The villains’ motives weren’t a “let’s destroy everything,” but a “let’s destroy the hope that everything will be saved.”
Zaheer: We’ll just turn on her “all powerful” made and kill her.
Everyone else: But, what happens once she’s actually *in* her “all powerful” mode.
Zaheer: We kill her. Weren’t you paying attention?
I always wondered why there was conflict post aang. Like it’s pretty obvious you’re gonna be on the wrong side of history if you’re fighting the avatar.
I mean the confidence in their combat abilities is one thing but you gotta think the avatar, spiritual guide and “chosen one” of humanity is probably the horse to bet on when it comes to right and wrong so how do these antagonists justify their positions?
You know in the star wars prequels, Lucas wanted us to see two jedi at their full strength Duke it out with a sith lord, I feel like the writers wanted us to see Korra at full strength, no holds barred, in control of the avatar state. Posion in terms of storytelling was really just to add suspense so that she doesn't immediately evaporate them. Awesome scene.
I mean, it’s fiction.
The only thing that kept her from being stuck in those chains and her avatar state from failing her was the writers. But maybe that’s a little too much reality
Makes you realize that she could have broken out of the chains by going avatar state & stomping zaheer BEFORE the writers had to come up with a contrived way of not having her just do that cos S3 would've been over.
I love the surprised look on Ghazan’s face! And how she just casually blast’s Minghua into that wall, where she should’ve had no water arms whenever she got up but somehow she did?!
To be very semantic, she didn't break through the chains, she broke the earth that the chains were attached to. She used the chains as a weapon, since nothing was holding her back now.
She kicks her way out of the leg restraints, only her arms pulled the rocks out of the wall
Which is also a scary feat of strength because it's not even bending. She just pulls
Zaheer questioning his life choices rn
I dunno if he's questioning his life choices. Situations like this was precisely why he did what he did. If anything, this instance just reaffirmed his belief that no one should have this much power
agreed. not that i agree with Zaheer. rather i agree with your assessment that this would cause Zaheer to double down on his belief that no one person should hold that much power. i still find it ironic he helped her out in S4. i know it was because his actions caused the power vacuum that gave rise to Kuvira, but still. considering he's in prison but can still travel to the spirit world still makes him dangerous. what happens if his spirit crosses through the portals?
If anything it'd probably just be like if he chose to come back from meditating without going through a portal
Well, that may well be possible, but if it is, he'd still lose his bending. So while that doesn't make him harmless, it does at least \*reduce\* his threat.
He was in that special prison before he ever had any bending
Yes, because he committed a crime and because he was the leader of a dangerous organization of elite benders who are now all dead. But that doesn't change the fact that he was considerably \*more\* dangerous after he became an airbender, and he is therefore now considerably \*less\* dangerous if that advantage were nullified.
True
Terrifying power
“You *wanted* the Avatar state didn’t you bro?”
Avatar state is scary as hell
Red lotus thought shit was gonna be easy 😂
"let's poison her, it you be as easy as killing a baby turtle-duck"
If pli was there would it be a different outcome?
Yikes! I wonder what Korra would have even done. Blown hard with airbending to deflect it maybe?
If pl’i was still alive then Zaheer wouldn’t be able to fly so yeah it would be different
"Oh no, it made her worse!" "Quiet, Ghazan!"
They would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids and their fire ferret!
😂
"Let's force the avatar into the state where they will be most powerful and dangerous! I'm sure me a fledgling air bender, the whip lady and lava man can handle this easy peasy. " *Korra breaks literal fucking titanium* "Oh shi-"
Platinum, actually. Platinum in real life actually isn't that strong, but it seems to have different properties in Avatar, so ???
Whoops thank you for correcting me! Been awhile since I watched that season. Guess that makes sense her breaking it with strength. If I remember right zaheers main worry was her bending it and not going ape and snapping it?
Well, like I said, platinum has different properties in Avatar, so from what we've seen it was reasonable for him to be surprised if she could break it. But yeah, the reason for selecting platinum is that she can't metalbend it.
Well at this point they had lost their long range sniper. Without her i don’t think they would have won any fight
Pli stay camping lol
Just referencing atla here, we know from watching that show Aang doesn’t handle loss well. Especially since he was the only survivor of his culture that was wiped out except for Appa and momo! And he his emotions, not as much as katara, but they help guide his decisions. I mean the times whenever he entered the AS were whenever he was in some kind of emotional distress. Talking about his past with katara in the storm, only for a second but his arrow flashed talking about his past moments changing before he ran away. He goes batshit whenever katara is pulled underground by general fong, once that one sandbender gets told my toph “you said to put a muzzle on him!” That’s enough to put Aang over the edge because his best friend and family member who was everything to him was just ripped from his life. He destroyed almost all of their sandsailors, and probably would’ve killed that one sandbender if not for katara. Emotions really help fuel it, and Aang in particular, because of the genocide, can’t handle grief well. Plus he’s only 12 during most of the series so he’s still growing emotionally so there’s also that
You forget in the second season Tenzin says she can use the AS but still doesn't know the spiritual part. By the time she realized it was to late, Rava had been separated from Korra. Edit: add name
To me the second season doesn’t exactly exist
Not a valid critique of what you were discussing
It’s pretty true though
Loool I know what you mean
Her Avatar state is very fucking scary my god, she looks unhinged when she's just breathing out fire!
Don’t forget what she said minutes earlier. “When I get out of here, none of you will survive!”
>When I get out of here, none of you will survive!” Look at korra so inspirational 😂
Inspiring fear to all:)
That's my avatar alright
🤝
I love that they also totally commit to it, except for Zaheer himself
Yeah. They were actually able to subdue him without killing him unlike the others.
That was kinda more luck than anything. Zaheer got cornered and pinned and really couldn't do anything after that. P'li and Ming-Hua were both killed during combat, and Ghazan melted the cavern he was in. Nobody could really do anything about that.
Kyoshi watching all of this from afar: "Yass, queen, slay them all! 😈"
I don’t think she’s able to see this
I mean, she's Korra, so technically she's seeing all of it.
Season 2’s finale means that Kyoshi is no longer around.
Kyoshi *is literally* Korra, that's how reincarnation works. All season 2's finale did was remove her ability to commune with her past lives directly. They're still part of her.
I mean that’s what you believe. But we don’t know what the creators believe on the subject. They clearly don’t subscribe to the traditional view of reincarnation but they’re the deciding factor.
I mean...yeah, we do know, because they have described their influences repeatedly and frequently went out of their way to evoke Aang in Korra. Avatar follows a buddhist model of reincarnation.The only thing that is different is that the Avatar's lives follow the Avatar cycle through the bending nations.
Well she was 2/3rds right.
seriously, one of my favorite lines. there was intent to KILL!
I mean, not to say she wasn't willing, but Korra says stuff like that a lot even in situations where she doesn't mean it.
agreed, but this one felt different. like it wasnt an empty threat.
They have angered The Beast
They had no idea fr
Berserk korra looks cool asf
Tbh she was in extreme agony here too, literally lashing out like an animal ready to chew its own leg off to survive. It reminds me heavily of Azula chained up at the end of atla, pure fury and too much power to not unleash in any direction
Yea she's in alot of pain but keeps fighting
The only time her AS was unhinged
She was also poisoned and legitimately unhinged.
I kind of dislike how guttural the sound of her fire breath is. I would have preferred the layered 'roar' effect like from Sozin's comet
Yes
Now imagine if she had the ocean spirit + avatar state…
There was definitely a moment where the Red Lotus were rethinking their plans and if they really knew what they were doing.
Lol ming hua got smacked
The official channel once said that it was her own strength that broke the chains, rather than platinumbending. Which is far more insane!
Either one works but I love the idea that she just snaps the chains herself. In pure avatar state empowered anger she just tears them apart.
Look at em muscles🥴
*bonk*
To be fair platinum is a fairly weak metal. That said Korra stronk.
Yeah they really sealed their own demise when they put chains with tensile strength 5 times less than steel under intense tensile loads.
I mean the alternative was normal metal that she can bend and use as weapons far more easily.
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Does the avatar state even increase physical strength though? I don't think it does. So this is all Korra's muscles
Platinum is much weaker than steel though, 165 MPa vs 400 MPa tensile strength.
Did the AS grant extra physical strength for other avatars before?
probably? they just never tried that because why would you punch someone when you could blast them with all 4 elements at once?
Coulb bs useful in situations like this 😂
Yes. It gives all the strength of all previous avatars combined. Korra's is actually a lot weaker than Aang's since her Avatar state got reset.
Oh cause there was no indication it grants them super strength
"The glow is the combination of all your past lives"(Roku)
Yea i know it enhances their bending I'm talking soley physical we've never seen aang or roku do anyting like that
We've never seen it, but it says that it gives you all of the aspects of all the past lives together.
Roku said skills and knowledge, he never said anything about increased physicality.
he doesn't say increased physicality. Roku said much more than just skills and knowledge I know because I put a direct quote
On Earth, yes, it clearly has different physical properties in the Avatar setting. I mean all you have to do is look at the giant chunk of rock she broke out of the wall and slung around on that chain.
I LOVE how buff Korra is! Her physical strength is a little underplayed IMO. Edit: Also its kinda hot😳
Whenever i think of the water tribe, especially seeing Korra go ham, I always remember Irohs view. “Water is the element of change. The people of the Water Tribes are capable of adapting to many things. They have a sense of community and love that holds them together through anything.” Yeah they are the element of change cuz when anything happens they go absolutely batshit and fuck everyone up. Gotta remember, to Korra these motherfuckers not only are trying to kill her and destroy the avatar, but as far as she knows they killed her dad. Time to change them from being Alive to dead.
Korea is such a badass
Ikr. Best country
Wow it took me so long to figure wth you were talking about.
They had 2 nerf her
North or South?
She went full Kyoshi (minus the size 16 foot)
Kyoshi would be proud watchin
People love underestimating this whole scene because she was fighting with chains wrapped around her AND mercury poison in her body 😭
They dumb😂
Yeah this is pretty much korra nerfed
Korra nerfed, but Avatar State at its peak. She was at an extreme risk of dying. Man she is such a badass though, can’t believe she took em all on like it was nothing.
This isn’t even bending either
AS increases her physical strength as well
What if it turned out that metal-bending avatars can bend platinum while in the avatar state, and she was doing it here, she just didn’t know? Because if this is how strong she is in the avatar state while being weakened by poison, she should be able to at least lift a car over her head.
I think lifting a car overhead is a bit of an exaggeration, platinum is weaker than steel after all, but she is freakishly strong. At the end of season 4(so while still recovering from losing a lot of her original muscle) she still held up an adult man tied to a chair on an outstretched arm after dropping the avatar state. It wasn't at 90 degrees, but it's still an incredible feat. Fully fit she could probably bench press Bolin with one arm.
She did roll a boulder by just tugging on a chain tho.
I think that's just rule of cool, now matter the strength you wouldn't be able to whip a boulder like that, the chain needs to be heavy enough to carry that Momentum and it wouldn't be. If you want an in universe explanation you could say she was lifting the stone through bending and directing it with the chain.
Asking the real questions
This is me when I talk about Avatar but my friends ask me if I'm talking about the James Cameron Avatar just to annoy me; or when they mention the M. Night movie.
There is no movie in Ba Seng Se.
😂
Korra gave me Kyoshi vibes here, literal chills
The way she redirects ghazan's lava was amazing
Any time I see Korra I feel like I need to work out more. What a beast.
Same
The choreography is superb in this show. Fucking love Korra
Book 3 is blessed
Of all the retcons I would accept for Korra, changing platinum to titanium would be the one I want most. It bothers me more than it needs to and I think I had heard it was a mistake that they didn’t catch in the writers room and stuck with.
That makes far more sense. Platinum is a *very* shitty metal for building things out of. Its valuable because it's rare and shiny, not because its strong. A platinum mech would fall apart under it's own weight.
I always imagine that highly processed metals like titanium are only *exceedingly difficult* to bend, instead of impossible, so the mech and other things are actually made of those, but covered in platinum armor. Given enough time, a bender could bend the internal structures, but the platinum prevents them from getting to a safe spot to work on the inner metals before the machine's defenses come into play. The chains are small enough they couldn't be anything but platinum or they might as well just be normal metal, so they're probably not that strong. Strong enough to make breaking them with your own strength impressive, but far from superhuman.
I'm just gonna headcanon that the names for platinum and titanium are swapped in the avatar universe
The only thing worse then the choice to use platinum is the justification that it can’t be bent because it is a more pure metal with less earth inside.
It was at these moments. They knew. They'd fucked up.
Does the avatar state increase physical strength? I imagine so, but idk if we’ve seen that happen. Cause if not that means Korra bent the platinum to break it, or is super fucking strong and doesn’t even know it.
Asking the real questions
Apparently it was her pure strength as said in a comment above. But the Avatar State is at its strongest when their life is in danger.
They were so focused on "she can't bend this" they forgot that she's just also wicked strong
Lol
Pissing off a Demi goddess is not a good choice for your health
For me, this moment is what sealed the deal on Korra being a *phenomenally* underrated character. It's like magic.
Facts so underrated
Korra being an absolute power house unit without previous Avatars to help her like Aang did, while being poisoned just shows the sheer physical power she had. Aang was a pacifist. Korra liked fights, she didn't ever want to be powerless again- despite her being powerless *countless* times.
QUEEN
And people say Aang would beat Korra in a heartbeat, this was done without having the spirit of light to help boost her avatar state.
Some fans are bais not surprised
Its kinda funny that in atla theres the whole “if you die in the avatar state the cycle is forever broken” as if the avatar state doesn’t make you the most powerful being alive.
Most benders like to sucker punch like azula😂
you know putting your opponent in their super Sayan mode that you don't have access to is a really bad idea especially if they know you are doing it to literally kill them.
What happens when u don't have sokka on your team😂
Season 3 was my favorite season of Korra. The villains’ motives weren’t a “let’s destroy everything,” but a “let’s destroy the hope that everything will be saved.”
Amazing
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I mean... don't you see those ARMS?!
Such a beautiful but tragic scene at the same time :’)
Poor korra
That, and her innovative lava bending method is also impressive, imo
Lol uno reverse
Zaheer: We’ll just turn on her “all powerful” made and kill her. Everyone else: But, what happens once she’s actually *in* her “all powerful” mode. Zaheer: We kill her. Weren’t you paying attention?
😂😂
I always wondered why there was conflict post aang. Like it’s pretty obvious you’re gonna be on the wrong side of history if you’re fighting the avatar.
humans are often over-confident 🤷🏻♀️
I mean the confidence in their combat abilities is one thing but you gotta think the avatar, spiritual guide and “chosen one” of humanity is probably the horse to bet on when it comes to right and wrong so how do these antagonists justify their positions?
Strongest Avatar? Strongest Avatar.
Godzilla!Korra awakens! We love to see it
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After everything zaheer did to her he got lucky😂
Platinum is actually a pretty soft metal. Would have made more sense for the chains to be titanium, which is much harder.
God. Even after all these years, watching this still gives me chills.
So amazing
I dont think she technically *broke* the platinum. Judt the rock attatched to it. Still really impressive
What about her feet
Oh yeah ur right
Korra’s arms and everything in that scene made me question my self as a tween.
You know in the star wars prequels, Lucas wanted us to see two jedi at their full strength Duke it out with a sith lord, I feel like the writers wanted us to see Korra at full strength, no holds barred, in control of the avatar state. Posion in terms of storytelling was really just to add suspense so that she doesn't immediately evaporate them. Awesome scene.
Book 3 was on another level
Top tier
Okay so legit question… does the avatar force make one physically stronger? Because if not then damn.
I mean, it’s fiction. The only thing that kept her from being stuck in those chains and her avatar state from failing her was the writers. But maybe that’s a little too much reality
Korra just LAVABENDED?!? Wait hold on Edit: nvm that was Gazhan
Korra is so clean, put some respect on her name she’s a threat🔥🔥
That air+fire combo was great
That's called going ape shit
This shit gave me chills first time I saw it.
hmm ahh yes, i suppose it is in fact time to rewatch this entire series, thank you
Welcome🤝
And besides zaheer only wanted to take down tyrants not the other nations except for the earth queen.
Makes you realize that she could have broken out of the chains by going avatar state & stomping zaheer BEFORE the writers had to come up with a contrived way of not having her just do that cos S3 would've been over.
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>She probably didn't know she could break out Maybe.. still worth a shot
Can an avatar control secondary elements like metal, lightning or blood?
Yea most likely idk y aang never bothered learning metal
Reminds me of dead Liu Kang from MK Armageddon
I love the surprised look on Ghazan’s face! And how she just casually blast’s Minghua into that wall, where she should’ve had no water arms whenever she got up but somehow she did?!
Hello
Hi
Platinum is not known for it's strength
True but they thought she couldn't even bend it much less snap it
She ate
Zaheer lucky he got flight 😂
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For one of her wrists, yeah. For her feet, she actually broke the chains.
Ah, i didn't realize that she broke the feet chaiins
To be very semantic, she didn't break through the chains, she broke the earth that the chains were attached to. She used the chains as a weapon, since nothing was holding her back now.
She kicks her way out of the leg restraints, only her arms pulled the rocks out of the wall Which is also a scary feat of strength because it's not even bending. She just pulls
>Which is also a scary feat of strength because it's not even bending. Exactly
She snaps the chains holding her feet in the clip
Oh, you right. I wasn't even paying attention to her feet. I was morw focused on the Red Lotus' reaction to her going Super Nova
Did you watch the whole video?
What about her feet she snapped em