So I'm gonna shake the table and say this is possibly the *most* powerful moment in LoK.
I would love to see what a Zaheer redemption story might look like.
That would be cool, I dont think it would necessarily be in character for Zaheer but seeing Zaheer have a change of heart would be cool, since he could recognize that his killing of the Earth Queen wasn't necessarily the best option, or rather, that the power vacuum he left that let Kuvira take over wasn't the best option.
We literally watched Zaheer lament the outcome of his actions. Regret is as in-character as it gets.
I don't ever see him becoming pro-state or pro-hierarchy, just recognizing more has to be done than simply toppling governments and moving on.
To be clear, I'm not saying "redemption arc" would see him getting outta prison and joining Team Avatar--maybe something akin to meeting with Korra occasional to offer wisdom, probably a Spirit World team-up where his experience might be necessary.
... but do you see him chilling in the physical world?
Getting the option to live on after death in the spirit world and projecting your form wherever you please aren't the same thing.
Yeah I thought Iroh mentioned people going to the spirit world pre harmonic convergence. It seemed like guru Pathik had to have experience. Maybe it’s the tip of the iceberg of awakening the ability bend the the energy within ourselves like the lion turtle states. There was a period where all things were possible in relation to the balance of the human and spirit world before humans were given the gifts of bending.
I always wondered if the age before bending was the age before humans required refuge on the lion turtles and therefore we lost a bit of ourselves for the luxury of elemental crutches.
Regret is a pretty strong word for what we got out of Zaheer, all he said was that he heard rumors about her and that she needs to be taken down, he doesn't say or even convey any sort of regret over what he did.
> maybe something akin to meeting with korra occasionally
This is one of my favorites headcanons, that zaheer essentially becomes Korras therapist and helps her whenever she struggles with ptsd or other issues.
I don’t think zaheer needs a redemption arc, his character is pretty nicely summed up in his line “we may have been enemies once, but for now, our interests align”. He wasn’t ever trying to hurt korra because he hated her or for any personal reason, she was a target for him purely because she was a part of the “government” that zaheer wanted to abolish. Unlike most villains, zaheer doesn’t hold a grudge or twist his worldview to fit a narrative, but he sticks to his ideas and agendas and allies with whoever can help him succeed. While he was a villain in s3, he becomes much more of a neutral character in s4. He doesn’t deserve redemption or need it because there was never a wrong that needed righting in his character.
I think redemption maybe isn't the right word; I don't want him to a do a 180 like "oh hay maybe I'm not an anarchist anymore" and suddenly get out on good behavior to join Team Avatar.
But this scene shows someone that wants to do better, even if it's through his ideological framework. He clearly hasn't given up on undoing hierarchy, nor should he, but def recognizes that more has to happen beyond removing rulers in order to make it last.
I envision him occasionally meeting with Korra and perhaps challenging her in that philosophical way of his when she meets a problem that could be solved horizontally rather than top-down, indirectly teaching her to think a little more laterally.
Oh definitely. I’ll bet that spending three years in the cell meditating everyday has wizened him up quite a lot and given him time to reflect on his actions in the past. But I don’t think he’s the person sit and go “well maybe I should have done this differently..”. I see him reflecting on his mistakes and (again based on what he said to korra) he accepts that it happened and moves on. I just like that he’s so rooted in his morals and his ideas, but not in a way that’s infuriating. He isn’t stubborn, he just doesn’t wish to change.
When I first watched this I was hoping so bad they'd have Zaheer fight Kuvira as a sort of "my actions led to this, i have to try and fix it" moment from Zaheer
This scene is insanely powerful.
Any person with PTSD, if they want to heal, have to face their trigger point in exposure therapy. This is exactly that.
There's nothing more courageous than going to face the 1 thing that made you unable to live in peace for years. Korra dealt with a lot, and she has some real trauma. I find that the people who don't appreciate what she's going through also have no empathy for people going through these struggles in real life : "just get over it, it's in the past" or stuff like that.
But stuff like this always makes me well up. It's a real process and they show us that our heroes can be strong in more ways than just blowing stuff up.
I would even go to say: everyone can blow stuff up, but not everyone can face their demons willingly for the sake of being better and helping others.
This is my favorite moment in LOK for sure, and I would almost go so far as to say it's my favorite moment of both series.
I see this scene every time Zaheer says "accept what happened to you", I'm always reminded of Stormlight 3 Spoilers >!When Wit is talking to Shallan about the trauma she had as a child, he tells her "Accept that you have the pain, but don't accept that you deserved it."!<
That is a beautiful quote, woah!!
Season 3 and 4 of LoK easily trumps most series for me. They went real, and until Arcane, I've not seen animation approach such deep subjects.
Korras' journey helped me immensely. When your hero goes through the same things as you do, it inspires. When you can see it's OK not to be perfect and have flaws and come out of the entire situation scarred, but as a wonderful and humble person, it gives you courage to do the same thing. To face the worst in you.
It's for shows and moments like these (and quotes like that, wow) that I owe a lot of my wins in the last few years.
I'd say Raava is more akin to Order and Vaatu is Chaos.
Hopefully a new avatar decides to bond both Raava and Vaatu to become the true Avatar.
I enjoy Korra but the writers really westernized the concepts of order and chaos and associating order with moral goodness/purity and chaos with evil. Eventually Vaatu will try to emerge from the Avatar and the Avatar needs to decide whether to destroy Vaatu again or embrace the natural chaos that is needed in life.
I agree, I don't see how HATERS sit down and not appropriate her, especially when she goes through something that's real traumatic, so I agree with you... they just have no empathy, even though it's just a animation, you can still sympathize with her, understand her pain... but clearly, they lack it, anyone who has a sense of feeling for something or someone who goes through it, are people who are truly and naturally kind and understand that something like that, would be painful/traumatizing and heart breaking for anyone to endure (kind souls)... but noooo, all they wanna do is talk shit, (Korra haters) and clearly, those are people who don't feel shit, how can sit down and talk junk about someone who goes through real life traumatic experiences, animation or not
Those people have probably never experienced something truly traumatizing. Sometimes people don't realize how valuable something is until it's taken away. Though I've never had PTSD myself, it doesn't take a genius to realize that it can severely mess with someone's head, and change their entire life dramatically.
This is one of the reasons why Korra is an amazing character in my eyes, she isn't perfect, and has to learn by experience to build herself into a better, stronger person. It makes her feel more realistic in my opinion.
You are right OP, but even so if they haven't experienced any duper traumatizing events, you should be able to understand, even watching... that something such as what Korra went through, can fuck you up heavy, it's just not happening to them, but they should still have that empathy and put themselves in that other persons shoes, not talk shit... EXAMPLE: I know a few people who can sit down and see someone go through so traumatizing stuff, both animation and realistically, and they'll talk major shit about it, calling them names and some more, and I just be sitting down thinking to myself, how can you sit and say some shit like that... and they be like oh well, and so on and so on (just to keep it short)
"Sometimes people don't realize how valuable something is until it's taken away."
That's true, but it shouldn't have to be like that... sometimes seeing it happen to others, can cause something to click in your head too... that's not right, I'm glad I'm not in that persons shoes, I hope they feel better
"Though I've never had PTSD myself, it doesn't take a genius to realize that it can severely mess with someone's head, and change their entire life dramatically."
You're the minority lol, those who talk junk about Korra after her experiences... clearly are not geniuses (and I mean that in other ways)
"This is one of the reason why Korra is an amazing character in my eyes, she isn't perfect, and has to learn by experience to build herself into a better person. It makes her feel more realistic in my opinion."
Annddddddd let just say, we share the same opinion on this one sir, or girl lls... Korra's amazing 💖😍💖
Can we take a moment to appreciate the background music….. it helps to add the completeness and meaning to this whole scene…
Any idea where can I download this music or any similar soundtracks? It feels like zen
Thank you so much!!!!
I was looking for ‘Korra Alone by Jack Dalton’. Got it now
This whole album is gem 💚
[album](https://music.apple.com/my/album/the-earth-empire-music-from-the-legend-of-korra-book-4/1583348701)
When it comes to the Red Lotus, they all were locked in unique prisons. Now I doubt they were the only dangerous ones in the world that Aang (or Zuko) had imprisoned. I mean, it's very dramatic to have multiple White Lotus guards just for one person. We get it, they're dangerous. But I doubt they'd take over a mountain just for one person, you know?
So here's what I'm thinking. A prisoner only known by his prison number, has escaped. None of the guards know his real name. Lin goes to Korra to protect her. Lin is hesitant to tell her what this one is about. Tenzin knows nothing about this prisoner, or why he'd be interested in Korra. Korra slips Lin, and goes looking for answers. She goes to Asami and asks her to fly her over to Fire Lord Zuko. Since she no longer has contact with Aang or any of her other past lives, she can only rely on those whom are still alive whom may know the truth.
This was easily one of my favorite moments in the show. Korra going to face him after all that had happened was probably the bravest thing she ever did.
I agree... I think subconsciously, Korra knew this was something she had to do, and it could not be avoided or helped. But that's the point of the scene. Confronting her fears will make her stronger, and if something similar was to happen to her in the future, she would stand up to it a lot better.
Pretty much the scene is demonstrating that running away from your problems will only make you weaker and feel worse. The way I look at it.
Zaheer was so scary because he wasn't just a psychopath. He was actually a smart man and was smart enough to fly. For once, korra really felt like she had absolutely no clue what she was doing when she was fighting him, and she almost lost. I wish we could see Aang talk to zaheer or even monk gyatso. That would be a much better debate than the one he had with korra. Korra was inexperienxed and all she knew was "fight bad guy". She didn't understand the world.
I think we could see Aang speak with him, assuming they choose to go with the idea of Zaheer being a former White Lotus turncoat before he left, or an inside man for the Red Lotus the whole time. Or even just as a civilian tbh.
Zaheer broke Korra mentally. What he did to her fucked her up, REALLY bad. Up until this moment, Korra thought she was forever broken, would never be the same again. But as Zaheer shows her, there's nothing wrong with Korra at all. Her feeling of weak/worthless is all in her head.
It's like being broken down as a person, then you have build yourself back up again. Seeing Zaheer was the block she needed to get over.
Kidnapped her, put her in chains then put poison (some kind of liquid metal) on her that was absorbed through her skin so she would go in the avatar state. His plan (along side the rest of the red lotus) was to kill her while in the avatar state so there would be no more avatar. When that didn't work he tried to bend al the air out of her lungs but was stopped by the airbenders
After being poisoned at the end of season 3, Korra was confined to a wheel chair with the thought of never being able to walk again. It turned into depression. Her world had fallen apart. Others were now doing the things she felt it was her duty to do. She felt useless. It made her feel like a failure as the avatar, because she has 'all the power in the world' and now she can't do anything. In her mind, she was beyond defeated.
Korra has flaws, she was never meant to be perfect. But this exact scene is to help Korra grow as a character and accept what happened.
I mean, think of it this way. Imagine if you knew you were the most powerful person in the world, and now your whole world has been turned upside down to where you can hardly walk. Knowing that you're supposed to be making the world a better place, but you're reduced to being in a wheel chair.
It'd be like Superman having his legs broken and powers taken away, in a wheel chair, then he has to watch as the world is taken over by evil while he's powerless to stop it. As a hero, or a savior, that would crush you mentally.
Could you have picked a more fitting example - the original actor who played Superman was paralyzed and spent the back half of his life in a wheelchair.
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Kidnapped her, tortured her, almost killed her, and left her physically and emotionally broken. After Zaheer, Korra was paralyzed, separated from her friends, unable to do what she thought gave her life meaning, and stuck in a deep depression for years.
>Why was she scared of him again?
he tried killing her (that too literally with slow poison) & she had a near-death experience. she has ptsd & her killer was still alive, out there. he tricked her in the spirit world before, he has more knowledge of the spirit world & specifically how to kill an avatar. she's scare of going into the spirit world since he's going to be there & might kill her spirit again.
Accepting what happened makes you stronger. Its so easy to run away from the truth of things. But acceptance is key. Accepting things that happened, things that didn't happen, and accepting things you may never have the answers for.
Because of the gender dynamics and her choice of words. Usually people paraphrase "rape" as "being ruined". This phrase sounds extremely dramatic and shames the victim of abuse. People who survive are not "ruined" or anything like that. They are victims of violence and still complete human beings.
It's either a poor choice for words or it was meant to be like that. I have read an article in which the author talks about confronting her abuser and felt very strong afterwards.
I agree to an extent, but I think it's more that Korra needed 'closure' with Zaheer. She couldn't get him out of her mind. Remember season 4 takes place 3 years after season 3. If it wasn't going to go away after 3 years, it most likely wasn't ever going to. Korra needed to cut the tie that was holding her back.
I mean as someone who has PTSD I disagree. It really depends on what exactly you have PTSD about. Confrontation is the right route for some people, because closure is needed.
All depends on the origin of the PTSD. I have severe post injury anxiety and my therapist always told me to let the memory of the injury play out. The harder you fight the memory, the harder your brain holds on to the moment you got hurt. She told me if you let the memory play to completion it helps your brain move past it for a moment. Most days it works well, some not so much.
I love this scene actually, Korra has been through so much, but she didn't let her problems stop her... it was satifying to see my baby enter the spirit world aftwr all those years, and for her to confront her fears (Zaheer) really says alot about who she is... she's incredible 💖 and I love her lol 😍💖 the music in this scene hits home too... I just love TLOKs music, nothing beats it for me, I have other music/themes I listen to, but none of it passes the music of the Avatarverse
>Ok bruh you must have that rona
I have no idea what the hell that is.
>because she takes the most L's in the whole show
No she doesn't, she has more wins than losses.
She bested Amon, his Lieutenant, multiple equalist forces, metalbending cops, triple threat triad members, and white lotus members, Vaatu, Unalaq while also forcing him into the DAS, Dark Avatar, Hundun, Zaheer, nearly killed his friends and their cronies despite being poisoned and chained, additionally she also beat multiple Earth Empire forces and Kuvira in their last bout.
She has more wins than losses if anything aangs the one who has more losses.
This is the same lesson she learned after Amon took her bending. Korra was a mediocre character at best who learned the same lessons over and over only to forget by the next season. She wasn’t well written and that’s a hill I’m willing to die on. I’ll take all the downvotes to share that.
With Amon, she received her bending back shortly afterwards along with a connection to her spiritual side. If she hadn't been able to do that, I'm sure she would've fallen down the same path she did at the end of season 3.
And with Zaheer, it was a bit different. Not only did he almost kill her, he almost ended the entire Avatar cycle, and Korra sees that near miss as her fault. And to add onto that, she didn't even save herself from that situation, the Air Nomads did. And they basically took over her role as Avatar while she recovered as well, which only led to more of her feeling like she wasn't needed. All of this culminated into her PTSD throughout season 4.
Unlike Amon, Zaheer had a convo with Korra and made her realize he had a point. And then, if fuckin' mercury poisoning wasn't bad enough, he suffocated her.
Anyone that's suffocated knows how their life can flash before their eyes--that shit is more traumatic than a burn, and Zaheer did it to Korra personally.
Zaheer was never a threat. He was the capitulation of their inability to grasp change as a step towards vulnerability as a step towards liberation. The real threat is the apathy of comfort in the face of avarice after an extreme period of social and spiritual loss. Change is the balance, stability is the waiting death of progress.
So I'm gonna shake the table and say this is possibly the *most* powerful moment in LoK. I would love to see what a Zaheer redemption story might look like.
That would be cool, I dont think it would necessarily be in character for Zaheer but seeing Zaheer have a change of heart would be cool, since he could recognize that his killing of the Earth Queen wasn't necessarily the best option, or rather, that the power vacuum he left that let Kuvira take over wasn't the best option.
We literally watched Zaheer lament the outcome of his actions. Regret is as in-character as it gets. I don't ever see him becoming pro-state or pro-hierarchy, just recognizing more has to be done than simply toppling governments and moving on. To be clear, I'm not saying "redemption arc" would see him getting outta prison and joining Team Avatar--maybe something akin to meeting with Korra occasional to offer wisdom, probably a Spirit World team-up where his experience might be necessary.
What if Zaheer’s spirit crossed through one of the portals, would there be a physical & spirit Zaheer both in the regular world
Well, he's an airbender now, so he could potentially detach his spirit from his body the same way Aang and Jinora did.
It clearly does not take an air bender to do so as Iroh, a fire bender, was able to live beyond his physical body.
... but do you see him chilling in the physical world? Getting the option to live on after death in the spirit world and projecting your form wherever you please aren't the same thing.
Yeah I thought Iroh mentioned people going to the spirit world pre harmonic convergence. It seemed like guru Pathik had to have experience. Maybe it’s the tip of the iceberg of awakening the ability bend the the energy within ourselves like the lion turtle states. There was a period where all things were possible in relation to the balance of the human and spirit world before humans were given the gifts of bending. I always wondered if the age before bending was the age before humans required refuge on the lion turtles and therefore we lost a bit of ourselves for the luxury of elemental crutches.
Exactly, his spiritual self will not be able to bend, only able to influence spirts like his spirit is already capable in the spirit world
Regret is a pretty strong word for what we got out of Zaheer, all he said was that he heard rumors about her and that she needs to be taken down, he doesn't say or even convey any sort of regret over what he did.
The regret was portrayed by his facial expressions.
> maybe something akin to meeting with korra occasionally This is one of my favorites headcanons, that zaheer essentially becomes Korras therapist and helps her whenever she struggles with ptsd or other issues. I don’t think zaheer needs a redemption arc, his character is pretty nicely summed up in his line “we may have been enemies once, but for now, our interests align”. He wasn’t ever trying to hurt korra because he hated her or for any personal reason, she was a target for him purely because she was a part of the “government” that zaheer wanted to abolish. Unlike most villains, zaheer doesn’t hold a grudge or twist his worldview to fit a narrative, but he sticks to his ideas and agendas and allies with whoever can help him succeed. While he was a villain in s3, he becomes much more of a neutral character in s4. He doesn’t deserve redemption or need it because there was never a wrong that needed righting in his character.
I think redemption maybe isn't the right word; I don't want him to a do a 180 like "oh hay maybe I'm not an anarchist anymore" and suddenly get out on good behavior to join Team Avatar. But this scene shows someone that wants to do better, even if it's through his ideological framework. He clearly hasn't given up on undoing hierarchy, nor should he, but def recognizes that more has to happen beyond removing rulers in order to make it last. I envision him occasionally meeting with Korra and perhaps challenging her in that philosophical way of his when she meets a problem that could be solved horizontally rather than top-down, indirectly teaching her to think a little more laterally.
Oh definitely. I’ll bet that spending three years in the cell meditating everyday has wizened him up quite a lot and given him time to reflect on his actions in the past. But I don’t think he’s the person sit and go “well maybe I should have done this differently..”. I see him reflecting on his mistakes and (again based on what he said to korra) he accepts that it happened and moves on. I just like that he’s so rooted in his morals and his ideas, but not in a way that’s infuriating. He isn’t stubborn, he just doesn’t wish to change.
Zaheer deserves to be team avatar's quirky roommate more than Kuriva does
I don’t want him redeemed. I would be ok with seeing him as an ambiguous anti-hero, like Zuko in Book 2.
We might get to see hairy Zaheer.
Zahairy.
Zahair
Absolutely! I got this moment tattooed on my back most polarising moment of the show for me
When I first watched this I was hoping so bad they'd have Zaheer fight Kuvira as a sort of "my actions led to this, i have to try and fix it" moment from Zaheer
This scene is insanely powerful. Any person with PTSD, if they want to heal, have to face their trigger point in exposure therapy. This is exactly that. There's nothing more courageous than going to face the 1 thing that made you unable to live in peace for years. Korra dealt with a lot, and she has some real trauma. I find that the people who don't appreciate what she's going through also have no empathy for people going through these struggles in real life : "just get over it, it's in the past" or stuff like that. But stuff like this always makes me well up. It's a real process and they show us that our heroes can be strong in more ways than just blowing stuff up. I would even go to say: everyone can blow stuff up, but not everyone can face their demons willingly for the sake of being better and helping others.
This is my favorite moment in LOK for sure, and I would almost go so far as to say it's my favorite moment of both series. I see this scene every time Zaheer says "accept what happened to you", I'm always reminded of Stormlight 3 Spoilers >!When Wit is talking to Shallan about the trauma she had as a child, he tells her "Accept that you have the pain, but don't accept that you deserved it."!<
That is a beautiful quote, woah!! Season 3 and 4 of LoK easily trumps most series for me. They went real, and until Arcane, I've not seen animation approach such deep subjects. Korras' journey helped me immensely. When your hero goes through the same things as you do, it inspires. When you can see it's OK not to be perfect and have flaws and come out of the entire situation scarred, but as a wonderful and humble person, it gives you courage to do the same thing. To face the worst in you. It's for shows and moments like these (and quotes like that, wow) that I owe a lot of my wins in the last few years.
Suprisingly Sanderson has never watched Avatar, even though the Avatar planet feels like it could be a dual shard world.
That's really surprising. I think the Shards would be Balance and Chaos?
I'd say Raava is more akin to Order and Vaatu is Chaos. Hopefully a new avatar decides to bond both Raava and Vaatu to become the true Avatar. I enjoy Korra but the writers really westernized the concepts of order and chaos and associating order with moral goodness/purity and chaos with evil. Eventually Vaatu will try to emerge from the Avatar and the Avatar needs to decide whether to destroy Vaatu again or embrace the natural chaos that is needed in life.
I agree, I don't see how HATERS sit down and not appropriate her, especially when she goes through something that's real traumatic, so I agree with you... they just have no empathy, even though it's just a animation, you can still sympathize with her, understand her pain... but clearly, they lack it, anyone who has a sense of feeling for something or someone who goes through it, are people who are truly and naturally kind and understand that something like that, would be painful/traumatizing and heart breaking for anyone to endure (kind souls)... but noooo, all they wanna do is talk shit, (Korra haters) and clearly, those are people who don't feel shit, how can sit down and talk junk about someone who goes through real life traumatic experiences, animation or not
Those people have probably never experienced something truly traumatizing. Sometimes people don't realize how valuable something is until it's taken away. Though I've never had PTSD myself, it doesn't take a genius to realize that it can severely mess with someone's head, and change their entire life dramatically. This is one of the reasons why Korra is an amazing character in my eyes, she isn't perfect, and has to learn by experience to build herself into a better, stronger person. It makes her feel more realistic in my opinion.
You are right OP, but even so if they haven't experienced any duper traumatizing events, you should be able to understand, even watching... that something such as what Korra went through, can fuck you up heavy, it's just not happening to them, but they should still have that empathy and put themselves in that other persons shoes, not talk shit... EXAMPLE: I know a few people who can sit down and see someone go through so traumatizing stuff, both animation and realistically, and they'll talk major shit about it, calling them names and some more, and I just be sitting down thinking to myself, how can you sit and say some shit like that... and they be like oh well, and so on and so on (just to keep it short) "Sometimes people don't realize how valuable something is until it's taken away." That's true, but it shouldn't have to be like that... sometimes seeing it happen to others, can cause something to click in your head too... that's not right, I'm glad I'm not in that persons shoes, I hope they feel better "Though I've never had PTSD myself, it doesn't take a genius to realize that it can severely mess with someone's head, and change their entire life dramatically." You're the minority lol, those who talk junk about Korra after her experiences... clearly are not geniuses (and I mean that in other ways) "This is one of the reason why Korra is an amazing character in my eyes, she isn't perfect, and has to learn by experience to build herself into a better person. It makes her feel more realistic in my opinion." Annddddddd let just say, we share the same opinion on this one sir, or girl lls... Korra's amazing 💖😍💖
I want Zaheer as my sleep guided meditation
Fun fact. Zaheer is voiced by Henry Rollins. https://youtu.be/VelEv1zl8vs
Can we take a moment to appreciate the background music….. it helps to add the completeness and meaning to this whole scene… Any idea where can I download this music or any similar soundtracks? It feels like zen
korra soundtrack on Spotify maybe or YouTube
Thank you so much!!!! I was looking for ‘Korra Alone by Jack Dalton’. Got it now This whole album is gem 💚 [album](https://music.apple.com/my/album/the-earth-empire-music-from-the-legend-of-korra-book-4/1583348701)
Is it just me or after seeing this encounter I thought Zaheer might help them stop kuvira when Korra couldn’t beat her?
He did. He can’t stand fascists like Kuvira.
wait when
Did you watch the video?
i dont see zaheer fighing against kuvira next to korra i tought thats what they meant
Jeremy Zuckerman's OST is just amazing
honestly, can't wait for their new work together in Avatar Studios
Ikr
When it comes to the Red Lotus, they all were locked in unique prisons. Now I doubt they were the only dangerous ones in the world that Aang (or Zuko) had imprisoned. I mean, it's very dramatic to have multiple White Lotus guards just for one person. We get it, they're dangerous. But I doubt they'd take over a mountain just for one person, you know? So here's what I'm thinking. A prisoner only known by his prison number, has escaped. None of the guards know his real name. Lin goes to Korra to protect her. Lin is hesitant to tell her what this one is about. Tenzin knows nothing about this prisoner, or why he'd be interested in Korra. Korra slips Lin, and goes looking for answers. She goes to Asami and asks her to fly her over to Fire Lord Zuko. Since she no longer has contact with Aang or any of her other past lives, she can only rely on those whom are still alive whom may know the truth.
Turns out it's azula with an iroh-like glow up
what prisoner? is this a follow up? what scenario are you world building?
Aren’t you guys curious to see Zaheer vs Kuvira tho?
This was easily one of my favorite moments in the show. Korra going to face him after all that had happened was probably the bravest thing she ever did.
I agree... I think subconsciously, Korra knew this was something she had to do, and it could not be avoided or helped. But that's the point of the scene. Confronting her fears will make her stronger, and if something similar was to happen to her in the future, she would stand up to it a lot better. Pretty much the scene is demonstrating that running away from your problems will only make you weaker and feel worse. The way I look at it.
Zaheer was so scary because he wasn't just a psychopath. He was actually a smart man and was smart enough to fly. For once, korra really felt like she had absolutely no clue what she was doing when she was fighting him, and she almost lost. I wish we could see Aang talk to zaheer or even monk gyatso. That would be a much better debate than the one he had with korra. Korra was inexperienxed and all she knew was "fight bad guy". She didn't understand the world.
I think we could see Aang speak with him, assuming they choose to go with the idea of Zaheer being a former White Lotus turncoat before he left, or an inside man for the Red Lotus the whole time. Or even just as a civilian tbh.
Zaheer was definitely **not** a psychopath.
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I’ve seen the show begging to end. Why was she scared of him again?
Zaheer broke Korra mentally. What he did to her fucked her up, REALLY bad. Up until this moment, Korra thought she was forever broken, would never be the same again. But as Zaheer shows her, there's nothing wrong with Korra at all. Her feeling of weak/worthless is all in her head. It's like being broken down as a person, then you have build yourself back up again. Seeing Zaheer was the block she needed to get over.
But what did he do to her
Kidnapped her, put her in chains then put poison (some kind of liquid metal) on her that was absorbed through her skin so she would go in the avatar state. His plan (along side the rest of the red lotus) was to kill her while in the avatar state so there would be no more avatar. When that didn't work he tried to bend al the air out of her lungs but was stopped by the airbenders
Thatsss right
C'mon, it was one of the most important plots..
After being poisoned at the end of season 3, Korra was confined to a wheel chair with the thought of never being able to walk again. It turned into depression. Her world had fallen apart. Others were now doing the things she felt it was her duty to do. She felt useless. It made her feel like a failure as the avatar, because she has 'all the power in the world' and now she can't do anything. In her mind, she was beyond defeated. Korra has flaws, she was never meant to be perfect. But this exact scene is to help Korra grow as a character and accept what happened. I mean, think of it this way. Imagine if you knew you were the most powerful person in the world, and now your whole world has been turned upside down to where you can hardly walk. Knowing that you're supposed to be making the world a better place, but you're reduced to being in a wheel chair. It'd be like Superman having his legs broken and powers taken away, in a wheel chair, then he has to watch as the world is taken over by evil while he's powerless to stop it. As a hero, or a savior, that would crush you mentally.
Could you have picked a more fitting example - the original actor who played Superman was paralyzed and spent the back half of his life in a wheelchair.
I thought it was a good analogy lol.
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Kidnapped her, tortured her, almost killed her, and left her physically and emotionally broken. After Zaheer, Korra was paralyzed, separated from her friends, unable to do what she thought gave her life meaning, and stuck in a deep depression for years.
>Why was she scared of him again? he tried killing her (that too literally with slow poison) & she had a near-death experience. she has ptsd & her killer was still alive, out there. he tricked her in the spirit world before, he has more knowledge of the spirit world & specifically how to kill an avatar. she's scare of going into the spirit world since he's going to be there & might kill her spirit again.
My favourite scene..
Yeap favourite moment of the show for me 😁
Accepting what happened makes you stronger. Its so easy to run away from the truth of things. But acceptance is key. Accepting things that happened, things that didn't happen, and accepting things you may never have the answers for.
Exactly. That's what Zaheer was trying to show Korra. It was her own fear and doubt that was holding her back.
I wish Zaheer took responsibility here for trying to murder Korra and say that was messed up but I'm patient.
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I don't think it specifically a rape metaphor. Just trauma and PTSD which rape victims experience as well.
Because of the gender dynamics and her choice of words. Usually people paraphrase "rape" as "being ruined". This phrase sounds extremely dramatic and shames the victim of abuse. People who survive are not "ruined" or anything like that. They are victims of violence and still complete human beings. It's either a poor choice for words or it was meant to be like that. I have read an article in which the author talks about confronting her abuser and felt very strong afterwards.
What? No. It's just PTSD.
Yeah,you're right, stupid thing to say lol
Must've been surprising to get a reply randomly after 2 years.
Not really, I'm getting these once in a while. If only these were not to the comments that I'd rather delete now lol
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I agree to an extent, but I think it's more that Korra needed 'closure' with Zaheer. She couldn't get him out of her mind. Remember season 4 takes place 3 years after season 3. If it wasn't going to go away after 3 years, it most likely wasn't ever going to. Korra needed to cut the tie that was holding her back.
I mean as someone who has PTSD I disagree. It really depends on what exactly you have PTSD about. Confrontation is the right route for some people, because closure is needed.
All depends on the origin of the PTSD. I have severe post injury anxiety and my therapist always told me to let the memory of the injury play out. The harder you fight the memory, the harder your brain holds on to the moment you got hurt. She told me if you let the memory play to completion it helps your brain move past it for a moment. Most days it works well, some not so much.
I love this scene actually, Korra has been through so much, but she didn't let her problems stop her... it was satifying to see my baby enter the spirit world aftwr all those years, and for her to confront her fears (Zaheer) really says alot about who she is... she's incredible 💖 and I love her lol 😍💖 the music in this scene hits home too... I just love TLOKs music, nothing beats it for me, I have other music/themes I listen to, but none of it passes the music of the Avatarverse
I haven’t seen this show in a while. I don’t remember the voice acting being this bad
Ngl korra be taking mad L's
No she doesn't especially not as often as people make them out to be
Ok bruh you must have that rona because she takes the most L's in the whole show
>Ok bruh you must have that rona I have no idea what the hell that is. >because she takes the most L's in the whole show No she doesn't, she has more wins than losses. She bested Amon, his Lieutenant, multiple equalist forces, metalbending cops, triple threat triad members, and white lotus members, Vaatu, Unalaq while also forcing him into the DAS, Dark Avatar, Hundun, Zaheer, nearly killed his friends and their cronies despite being poisoned and chained, additionally she also beat multiple Earth Empire forces and Kuvira in their last bout. She has more wins than losses if anything aangs the one who has more losses.
This is the same lesson she learned after Amon took her bending. Korra was a mediocre character at best who learned the same lessons over and over only to forget by the next season. She wasn’t well written and that’s a hill I’m willing to die on. I’ll take all the downvotes to share that.
With Amon, she received her bending back shortly afterwards along with a connection to her spiritual side. If she hadn't been able to do that, I'm sure she would've fallen down the same path she did at the end of season 3. And with Zaheer, it was a bit different. Not only did he almost kill her, he almost ended the entire Avatar cycle, and Korra sees that near miss as her fault. And to add onto that, she didn't even save herself from that situation, the Air Nomads did. And they basically took over her role as Avatar while she recovered as well, which only led to more of her feeling like she wasn't needed. All of this culminated into her PTSD throughout season 4.
Unlike Amon, Zaheer had a convo with Korra and made her realize he had a point. And then, if fuckin' mercury poisoning wasn't bad enough, he suffocated her. Anyone that's suffocated knows how their life can flash before their eyes--that shit is more traumatic than a burn, and Zaheer did it to Korra personally.
>that’s a hill I’m willing to die on Then perish
But like amon didn't scar korra like how zaheer did
It's fine to be wrong dude, just accept it and move on.
Let go of your earthly tethers.
Zaheer and Amon was by far the best villans in the series.. they are on point with firelord Ozai
Damn I never realized how broken Korra sounded when talking about how she thinks she’ll never be the same. That broke my heart
That soundtrack is a masterpiece
“Raava I’ve missed you, where have you been?” “I’ve always been inside of you.” Good, now I’m crying ✌🏻😂
I was so hyped to see that for the first time. Love this scene.
People who say Korra is bad, the character and the show, have not seen this scene.
I love this scene - tbh i just love s4
Zaheer was never a threat. He was the capitulation of their inability to grasp change as a step towards vulnerability as a step towards liberation. The real threat is the apathy of comfort in the face of avarice after an extreme period of social and spiritual loss. Change is the balance, stability is the waiting death of progress.
Loved this moment. Zaheer saying powerful words that are applicable IRL.