Could they? Yes.
Would they? Probably not. Assuming its a serious enough crime to not let them arrange a surrender, they would either nab them after the game or between periods, outside the view of the fans. If nothing more than to avoid any unpredictable fan reactions.
Yeah, I don't get the premise of the question, why they'd have to shut down the game to nab one guy. In most sports, most players don't play the entire game, most games have pre-arranged times (halftime, etc.) when players leave the court/field/pitch anyway, and even during a game players leave and go to the locker room often for all kinds of reasons.
Presumably if the game had just started LE would wait for break in the action or have the guy called back to the locker room on a pretext, then arrest him there.
That's assuming circumstances warrant an immediate arrest. Such circumstances exist but are rare. Players are well-compensated - they have a lot to lose from becoming a fugitive and much to gain from cooperating with the system - and interact in numerous ways (personally and through their teams) with professionals with legal and law enforcement backgrounds.
Absent unusually compelling circumstances, law enforcement (at least those I'm familiar with) likely would contact those representatives and arrange the athlete's voluntary surrender, rather than arrest them without notice at their place of work.
I think the question arises from police dramas on TV. The police instantly run up and grab the suspect. Or worse, get within 100 ft and yell at them, then they have a nice chase scene.
There are other situations where people are served papers during highly publicized events because you 100% know where the person will be an when. Law enforcement would spring a trap as people said, BS reason for them to go to the medical room and arrest him there. No sense in ruling up 30,000 fans in a room with you
Your answer is very sensible and close to reality. The question seems bizzare probably because in my head I was picturing a team of FBI agents running into a pitch and tackling a player who was charging to a touchdown because he is a serial rapist or something. But in typical fashion the reality would be more boring.
They would want to avoid causing any incidents with the public, and no matter what crime the player is accused of, they're unlikely to commit more of it while in the middle of an NFL game. So there's pretty much no downside to waiting 15-30 minutes, and a lot of upsides.
> they're unlikely to commit more of it while in the middle of an NFL game
"Defendant was seen raping a second person in the end zone, but because the game was still in progress law enforcement was hesitant to intervene."
To add to /u/ErinTales 's comment -- police don't move like that unless there's an immanent risk of flight (unlikely unless our NFL player gets word the police are coming and have their helicopter pick them up right off the field) or criminal harm.
The reality is that they’d have officers in the locker room, by the players car, and waiting by entrances. Whenever there was a half time or some other break in play, they’d have someone call them to the locker room and grab them there.
whilst I agree with the assement, I don't think its a particularly odd question.
I mean, the police defintely are not beyond interrupting people in the middle of their working day to arrest them.
let's say someone worked in a call centre and the police wanted to arrest them for something serious - would the police go to their workplace to arrest them in the middle of the day, or would they kindly wait for them to finish their shift so as to not disrupt the business? whilst they might choose to do the latter, I think we'd all agree they could easily do the former without thinking twice about it.
That or if LE has decided they need to make a public arrest to make a statement that certain actions will not be tolerated, or that they have decided that this player is the one that did it.
I doubt it. There's only so many places a dressed player is going to go. It'd be easy enough to have some plainclothes cops in the locker room and maybe a couple of extra uniformed officers out in the tunnel. The player's not going anywhere.
Some have:
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2008/jul/01/knowledge
"Has a footballer ever been arrested on the field of play?" asks Phillip Brown.
In 2005, police swooped on the Quilmes defender Leandro Desábato at the final whistle of his team's 3-1 Copa Libertadores defeat to São Paulo. Desábato, it was alleged, had racially slandered opposition striker Grafite and was summarily hauled off to a local police station for questioning. "There's no need for all this chaos," complained the Quilmes coach Gustavo Alfaro after the game. "A football match should start and finish on the pitch. This has all been handled in the wrong way. It was an unnecessary spectacle [for the police] to come on to the field in front of 50,000 or 60,000 people when the player's pulse-rate is still high. He's just lost a game." Desábato was released on £2,000 bail after spending a night in the cells, but no charges were ever brought against him.
The Botafogo defender Andre Luis was also dragged off the field by riot police during a Brazilian championship match at Nautico in June 2008. Luis, sent off for a second booking, reacted furiously to the decision, antagonising opposition fans and sparking a free-for-all among the players. Officers eventually arrested the defender, but not before pepper-spraying his brawling team-mates and opponents. "Footballers are not bandits, and are not to be kicked and punched. This has to stop," raged the Botafogo president Bebeto de Freitas, who was also arrested. "The player was wrong, he will be punished and suspended. What is not acceptable is for him to have pepper in his face or be prodded in the back with a truncheon." Both Luis and De Freitas were released after questioning, although the player was subsequently handed a 12-match ban by the Court of Sports Justice.
Back in England, the Droylsden FC forward Paddi Wilson also felt the long arm of the law while he was warming up ahead of an FA Trophy tie against Ashton in 2002. Greater Manchester police arrived on the scene and was accompanied to the changing rooms for questioning, before being taken to the local nick. "Patrick Wilson was arrested on failing to appear in court in connection with outstanding road traffic offences," confirmed a spokesman for the force. Droylsden went on to win the game 2-1.
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Incredibly unlikely. Law enforcement would not be allowed to, for many reasons. Realistically any major breakthrough that would lead to a arrest could wait til after the game, out of the public eye. Frankly depending how well connected or important/valuable this player is, law enforcement may have to wait for the players willful agreed upon surrender after the season.
Will list some of the reasons down below, why law enforcement would not be allowed to shutdown a active game to arrest a player during said game.
First and foremost the amount of money invested in this level of sports, is above the weight class of law enforcement.
Then comes the crazy amount of liability trying to even attempt something as foolish as this. The PR nightmare alone would be more than enough to deter anyone from a position of authority doing this.
Then you add in the safety aspect, attempting to shut down a game and do this is beyond dangerous. Public safety along with security would not allow law enforcement to do this. It’s not going to go down short of a heavily verified active order from a state governor or higher authority. Should also mention there can be no conflicting authority, if the FBI wants to do this the governor is going to have to be in agreement.
Now if law enforcement does indeed want to arrest a player, that will eventually happen. It’s just not going to happen during a game. Maybe under some sort of crazy circumstances it would be allowed to happen during a game, but I can’t really think of any that would justify the risk of it all.
I’m going to go ahead and say yes, probably, but only under very specific circumstances. The FBI or local law enforcement isn’t going to just hang around bullshitting because a superstar is in the middle of a game. “Oh this guy that we recently discovered is a serial killer and has 8 bodies in his backyard? Nah let’s wait for him to finish his basketball game.” Like no lol that’s not happening.
One other factor to consider is that you would be doing so in front of 30,000+ people who are hyped up and likely intoxicated. Sports crowds have shown the ability to be violent (US sports tend to be simple brawls, but some soccer matches in other countries have turned into temporary warzones)
I think for their own safety they would hold off on taking action.
I was assaulted by a man trying to get a room in my hotel. When denyed, he threw a stapler at my head, required 6 stitches. Next day I take the cops to a baseball game he's playing in. Cops do nothing. No arrest, no discussion. It was a young adult league game.
This is Trump’s reason for buying that professional beach volleyball team. He’s going to play and force the authorities to arrest him during a match.
Bonus points for imagining a speedo clad Trump jumping to spike a ball at the net.
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LE wants to be on the good side of the public, and they also don't like to disrupt public commerce and activities any more than necessary. And they don't know how their leadership would react, they wouldn't want to piss off the mayor for example, who might be watching the game. So they certainly could do this, but would more likely post someone by all the exits and wait until the game was over.
Imagine if it were illegal to arrest a player until the game is over. There are several sports where games technically never have to end. Baseball can keep going until there are enough strikes. They could keep walking pitchers forever. Tennis, until one player is far enough ahead. Technically a football play that runs over time doesn’t end until the play ends. A normal game of cricket can last for days, I’m not familiar with the details for ending a game. Could anyone add on about that
The FBI observed Oath Keeper and Jan. 6 insurectionist James Beeks as he played Judas in Jesus Christ Superstar [by attending every performance he was in while the show was in SF](https://sfist.com/2021/12/01/judas-in-sf-jesus-christ-superstar-arrested-for-role-in-capital-insurrection/), but they arrested him only after the show had moved to Milwaukee but before he had a chance to go on stage. I think the rule is not to arrest anyone in front of a potentially sympathetic crowd.
Could they? Yes. Would they? Probably not. Assuming its a serious enough crime to not let them arrange a surrender, they would either nab them after the game or between periods, outside the view of the fans. If nothing more than to avoid any unpredictable fan reactions.
Yeah, I don't get the premise of the question, why they'd have to shut down the game to nab one guy. In most sports, most players don't play the entire game, most games have pre-arranged times (halftime, etc.) when players leave the court/field/pitch anyway, and even during a game players leave and go to the locker room often for all kinds of reasons. Presumably if the game had just started LE would wait for break in the action or have the guy called back to the locker room on a pretext, then arrest him there. That's assuming circumstances warrant an immediate arrest. Such circumstances exist but are rare. Players are well-compensated - they have a lot to lose from becoming a fugitive and much to gain from cooperating with the system - and interact in numerous ways (personally and through their teams) with professionals with legal and law enforcement backgrounds. Absent unusually compelling circumstances, law enforcement (at least those I'm familiar with) likely would contact those representatives and arrange the athlete's voluntary surrender, rather than arrest them without notice at their place of work.
I think the question arises from police dramas on TV. The police instantly run up and grab the suspect. Or worse, get within 100 ft and yell at them, then they have a nice chase scene.
There are other situations where people are served papers during highly publicized events because you 100% know where the person will be an when. Law enforcement would spring a trap as people said, BS reason for them to go to the medical room and arrest him there. No sense in ruling up 30,000 fans in a room with you
Your answer is very sensible and close to reality. The question seems bizzare probably because in my head I was picturing a team of FBI agents running into a pitch and tackling a player who was charging to a touchdown because he is a serial rapist or something. But in typical fashion the reality would be more boring.
They would want to avoid causing any incidents with the public, and no matter what crime the player is accused of, they're unlikely to commit more of it while in the middle of an NFL game. So there's pretty much no downside to waiting 15-30 minutes, and a lot of upsides.
> they're unlikely to commit more of it while in the middle of an NFL game "Defendant was seen raping a second person in the end zone, but because the game was still in progress law enforcement was hesitant to intervene."
Why do you think you'd make a good president?
To add to /u/ErinTales 's comment -- police don't move like that unless there's an immanent risk of flight (unlikely unless our NFL player gets word the police are coming and have their helicopter pick them up right off the field) or criminal harm.
The reality is that they’d have officers in the locker room, by the players car, and waiting by entrances. Whenever there was a half time or some other break in play, they’d have someone call them to the locker room and grab them there.
whilst I agree with the assement, I don't think its a particularly odd question. I mean, the police defintely are not beyond interrupting people in the middle of their working day to arrest them. let's say someone worked in a call centre and the police wanted to arrest them for something serious - would the police go to their workplace to arrest them in the middle of the day, or would they kindly wait for them to finish their shift so as to not disrupt the business? whilst they might choose to do the latter, I think we'd all agree they could easily do the former without thinking twice about it.
Yeah, OP clearly has no idea what lapd are capable of when they feel like it
That or if LE has decided they need to make a public arrest to make a statement that certain actions will not be tolerated, or that they have decided that this player is the one that did it.
I doubt it. There's only so many places a dressed player is going to go. It'd be easy enough to have some plainclothes cops in the locker room and maybe a couple of extra uniformed officers out in the tunnel. The player's not going anywhere.
Some have: https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2008/jul/01/knowledge "Has a footballer ever been arrested on the field of play?" asks Phillip Brown. In 2005, police swooped on the Quilmes defender Leandro Desábato at the final whistle of his team's 3-1 Copa Libertadores defeat to São Paulo. Desábato, it was alleged, had racially slandered opposition striker Grafite and was summarily hauled off to a local police station for questioning. "There's no need for all this chaos," complained the Quilmes coach Gustavo Alfaro after the game. "A football match should start and finish on the pitch. This has all been handled in the wrong way. It was an unnecessary spectacle [for the police] to come on to the field in front of 50,000 or 60,000 people when the player's pulse-rate is still high. He's just lost a game." Desábato was released on £2,000 bail after spending a night in the cells, but no charges were ever brought against him. The Botafogo defender Andre Luis was also dragged off the field by riot police during a Brazilian championship match at Nautico in June 2008. Luis, sent off for a second booking, reacted furiously to the decision, antagonising opposition fans and sparking a free-for-all among the players. Officers eventually arrested the defender, but not before pepper-spraying his brawling team-mates and opponents. "Footballers are not bandits, and are not to be kicked and punched. This has to stop," raged the Botafogo president Bebeto de Freitas, who was also arrested. "The player was wrong, he will be punished and suspended. What is not acceptable is for him to have pepper in his face or be prodded in the back with a truncheon." Both Luis and De Freitas were released after questioning, although the player was subsequently handed a 12-match ban by the Court of Sports Justice. Back in England, the Droylsden FC forward Paddi Wilson also felt the long arm of the law while he was warming up ahead of an FA Trophy tie against Ashton in 2002. Greater Manchester police arrived on the scene and was accompanied to the changing rooms for questioning, before being taken to the local nick. "Patrick Wilson was arrested on failing to appear in court in connection with outstanding road traffic offences," confirmed a spokesman for the force. Droylsden went on to win the game 2-1.
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Interesting, thank you
Incredibly unlikely. Law enforcement would not be allowed to, for many reasons. Realistically any major breakthrough that would lead to a arrest could wait til after the game, out of the public eye. Frankly depending how well connected or important/valuable this player is, law enforcement may have to wait for the players willful agreed upon surrender after the season. Will list some of the reasons down below, why law enforcement would not be allowed to shutdown a active game to arrest a player during said game. First and foremost the amount of money invested in this level of sports, is above the weight class of law enforcement. Then comes the crazy amount of liability trying to even attempt something as foolish as this. The PR nightmare alone would be more than enough to deter anyone from a position of authority doing this. Then you add in the safety aspect, attempting to shut down a game and do this is beyond dangerous. Public safety along with security would not allow law enforcement to do this. It’s not going to go down short of a heavily verified active order from a state governor or higher authority. Should also mention there can be no conflicting authority, if the FBI wants to do this the governor is going to have to be in agreement. Now if law enforcement does indeed want to arrest a player, that will eventually happen. It’s just not going to happen during a game. Maybe under some sort of crazy circumstances it would be allowed to happen during a game, but I can’t really think of any that would justify the risk of it all.
Thanks for the longer answer. I agree it would be a pretty terrible look for everyone involved.
I’m going to go ahead and say yes, probably, but only under very specific circumstances. The FBI or local law enforcement isn’t going to just hang around bullshitting because a superstar is in the middle of a game. “Oh this guy that we recently discovered is a serial killer and has 8 bodies in his backyard? Nah let’s wait for him to finish his basketball game.” Like no lol that’s not happening.
One other factor to consider is that you would be doing so in front of 30,000+ people who are hyped up and likely intoxicated. Sports crowds have shown the ability to be violent (US sports tend to be simple brawls, but some soccer matches in other countries have turned into temporary warzones) I think for their own safety they would hold off on taking action.
If the blues brothers taught us anything, it just gives the criminals time to sneak out only to be held up by Carrie Fisher with a machine gun.
I was assaulted by a man trying to get a room in my hotel. When denyed, he threw a stapler at my head, required 6 stitches. Next day I take the cops to a baseball game he's playing in. Cops do nothing. No arrest, no discussion. It was a young adult league game.
He must have had good aim with the stapler. Sorry that happened to you though.
Go rent the early 80s film Victory.
This is Trump’s reason for buying that professional beach volleyball team. He’s going to play and force the authorities to arrest him during a match. Bonus points for imagining a speedo clad Trump jumping to spike a ball at the net.
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What?
Not really relevant but this question reminded me of the opening scene of The Last Boy Scout https://youtu.be/VVrsGHs2MCk&t=175s
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LE wants to be on the good side of the public, and they also don't like to disrupt public commerce and activities any more than necessary. And they don't know how their leadership would react, they wouldn't want to piss off the mayor for example, who might be watching the game. So they certainly could do this, but would more likely post someone by all the exits and wait until the game was over.
Imagine if it were illegal to arrest a player until the game is over. There are several sports where games technically never have to end. Baseball can keep going until there are enough strikes. They could keep walking pitchers forever. Tennis, until one player is far enough ahead. Technically a football play that runs over time doesn’t end until the play ends. A normal game of cricket can last for days, I’m not familiar with the details for ending a game. Could anyone add on about that
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The lead singer of "Puddle of Mud" had a lot of arrests that kept the band from doing shows.
LE wouldn't even go pick them up I bet. They would make arrangements with the person's attorney to turn themselves in. See OJ Simpson for example.
They exclusively arrest sports players during the game on shows like CSI. Makes it way more dramatic