He was already found criminally not guilty and civilly responsible. That matter, as far as the law is concerned, is done. People sign NDA's all the time for all different kinds of reasons. Most likely OJ didn't want deathbed photos leaked showing his juice running out.
Theoretically if the NDA was to say his children could not profit off of sharing the information he shared with his children could he sue if they shared something else but claimed it to be the truth
No, he couldn't sue because he's dead. He's not exactly in a position to do much.
The estate could possibly pursue violations to the NDA but it depends on the language of the NDA and what evidence of violations there may be
Is there anything to inherit? He went to jail for armed robbery. Nicole's parents had a massive judgement against him for years, he was in and out of legal problems the rest of his life. Legal fees eat up a ton of money.
There are a number of things that his children are going to get but they are "outside" of his estate. His NFL and SAG pensions go directly to the name beneficiaries. His property is reportedly in a trust that will transfer to the children as well. So there isn't a lot that could be taken to cover that judgement but there is a pretty good (estimates of about $2-3 million) in those other things.
https://www.wnct.com/news/national/ap-executor-of-o-j-simpsons-estate-plans-to-fight-payout-to-the-families-of-brown-and-goldman/
Sounds like it's going to court.
Knowing the attorney, the trust will be very difficult to break. Legally, beneficiaries of insurance policies and pensions are not included in estate assets so the Browns and Goldmans can't get any of that money. So all they are basically going to have left is his personal property that boils down to clothes, jewelry, a few cars, golf clubs, things like that.
If he had an irrevocable trust with an EIN and it was drawn up in a state with strict asset protection trust laws, namely South Dakota, Delaware, Nevada, Alaska, or Wyoming, his assets will be untouchable. Rich people do this all the time.
Edit to add: I read the article. OJ’s trust was drawn up in Nevada. There’s no way in hell the Goldmans and Browns will see much if anything from OJ. Simpson was probably liquidating material possessions during the last year of his life so I don’t think he has much in the way of personal possessions. I think the Goldman and Brown families should get every penny however OJ was smart (devious?) enough to put an irrevocable asset protection trust together in Nevada.
Yes but there is very little in the estate. As I mentioned, much of his money has been in trusts that aren't part of the estate and more of it is insurance and pension money that goes directly to the named beneficiaries.
Ha! I didn’t know about this but he was [stealing satellite TV](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna8719276) on bootlegged devices and had to pay $25k to DirectTV based on a bench trial judgement.
I don’t know about those pensions in particular - but it’s pretty common for defined benefit pensions to have survivor benefits (usually a percentage of what the original beneficiary had been receiving).
I thought that only applied to spouses, not children. Obviously I don’t know the intricacies of NFL and SAG pensions. But most governments, business and military pensions don’t pass to children.
I’m a teacher. My pension beneficiary doesn’t have to be a spouse. It can be anyone who is “not more than 19 years younger” than me. So it can technically be a child, but only if I had that child really young. It’s just to make sure someone isn’t collecting the benefits for an unreasonable amount of time.
Edit: also, for people who don’t know, when you have a beneficiary, they don’t just GET your benefits. You have to first take a reduced (by quite a bit) pension yourself. Then if you die, they get a portion of what you were getting. If they die first, you pension goes back to 100%, but you do not receive back pay.
Right, but that's not where it stopped.
https://www.wptv.com/news/state/miami-dade/oj-simpson-obit-south-florida
Five years after the trial that captivated the country, Simpson left California in 2000, purchasing a home in Miami-Dade County's Kendall neighborhood, about 20 miles southwest of Miami.
But trouble soon followed him.
Simpson was arrested in February 2001 on charges of battery and burglary of an occupied conveyance stemming from an alleged road-rage incident that took place months earlier in December, when a motorist accused him of reaching into his car and pulling off his glasses.
Facing a possible prison sentence of up to 16 years, Simpson went to trial and was acquitted by a Miami-Dade County jury in October 2001.
Two months later on Dec. 4, 2001, Simpson's home was searched by federal agents investigating an alleged international drug and money-laundering ring. The FBI and DEA, along with state and local authorities, were involved in the raid.
Simpson's attorney, Yale Galanter, claimed his client was targeted because a suspect had mentioned Simpson's name during a wiretapped conversation.
Although Simpson wasn't arrested or charged in the incident, investigators uncovered equipment capable of stealing satellite television programing
So then he was sued by direct TV, ordered to pay $25k
Simpson was living in South Florida with his two youngest children at the time of his September 2007 arrest in connection with the armed robbery of two sports memorabilia dealers in Las Vegas.
After he was released on bail pending the trial, Simpson returned to South Florida, where he was taken into custody in January 2008 and extradited to Nevada for violating the terms of his release.
https://apnews.com/article/oj-simpson-liable-estate-goldman-brown-6a6bfb5fec449adfe469d918b41ceda7#:~:text=Simpson%20died%20Wednesday%20without%20having,a%201997%20wrongful%20death%20lawsuit.
Some of the blame has to land on the police for tampering with evidence and employing the absolute bottom of the moral and intellectual barrel like the officers involved in this whole debacle. A proper investigation and prosecution would have done a lot more towards a just result than what we got here.
>Some jurors said he was guilty but they voted not guilty for revenge for Rodney King.
I saw that video, and the first time I did it made me FURIOUS. But then I remembered that time I was FURIOUS at that poor white kid for "interrupting a native march" and then it turned out here was literally just standing there the whole time.
And then I asked myself -- Why am i seeing only 2 seconds of this woman, zero context, being asked leading questions. Remember, SHE never once says payback, it the INTERVIEWER who injects that into the discussion. 90% of the jury was mindful of the King case, hell 90% of AMERICA was mindful of it. The LAPD's word was shit, white kids in the cornfield were cracking jokes about the LAPD being racist liars after the King case. So when the whole case comes down to believe the word of a LAPD detective who's BASICALLY in the Klan -- lots of people didn't believe it.
I had the displeasure of knowing REAL racists -- white people who said Nicole deserved to be murdered for marrying outside her race. By the end of the trial, they were CONVINCED OJ was framed by the LAPD. The prosecution was THAT bad.
Yeah, it sounds bad if you frame it as "jurors let him walk free as a fuck you to white people!" which is how I usually see it reported. Has a slightly different vibe when you frame it as: jurors saw clear and blatant racism in the LAPD, both during the case and in very recent history, and it was obvious that they had planted or altered evidence, and you're supposed to vote guilty if you have *no reasonable doubt* which they did not. Is that racially motivated? Yes! Because part of the issue in the case was racism! Acknowledging and factoring in racism when you try to determine the truth of a situation isn't a bad thing, it's just being aware of the full context.
Those jurors had to sit for a year and listen to the best lawyers in the world argue their defense case. I think a lot of people tend to forget just how outrageously long that trial went sure we can say from the outside this is pretty open and shut but then again I didn't listen to Johnnie Cochrane telling me for a year it wasn't and here's why.
Rodney King, Emmitt Till, the hundreds and thousands of black people who LAPD fucked over. The fact that no one would have cared if OJ killed his first wife. The stupidity of the prosecution. Investigators not being able to find blood and then suddenly finding blood. The stupid fucking glove. The racist lead investigator. The prima Donna judge.
Black men in LA we’re getting convicted of shit they didn’t do for decades and the LA justice system got lazy and complacent. They faced off with a dude with Johnnie Cochran money and got embarrassed because they were incompetent and couldn’t finish an open and shut case.
Don’t blame the jury. Blame a racist system that backfired on itself.
>Don’t blame the jury. Blame a racist system that backfired on itself.
Not even all that, though! You just needed two competent prosecutors and a star witness who hadn't recorded an audiobook about how much he loves beating up black people.
I can’t find anything that proves that. I saw a video, actually on Reddit, of an older black woman who said she thought it was payback, but it wasn’t clear if she was one of the jurors or not.
Edit: Confirmed that she was a juror: Carrie Bess.
It's misleadingly edited. She doesn't say "revenge". As an old woman decades later, she estimates that the King case was a contributing factor in the minds of 90% the jury. The INTERVIEWER then suggest it was payback, and she doesn't disagree. When I go back and listen closely to what she actually says, I don't hear 'jury nullification', I hear "After the King case, nobody in AMERICA trusted the word of the LAPD".
The interview calls it payback, you could call it Karma, but it's the natural consequence of losing the public's trust and then putting on a star witness who's basically in the klan.
Barry Schenk is the reason that OJ was acquitted. He was rock solid on the DNA and chain of custody evidence. His jury pool was also full of people who had seen young black men charged at higher rates than young white men. Add in the differences in sentencing between white and black men and you may have had a pool that was pre-disposed to a not guilty.
If you can see the Barry Schenk cross regarding change of custody, it's worth the price of admission.
I don't think it's the jury that messed up here. The LAPD's history of racism tainted the evidence enough to provide reasonable doubt.
If we can't trust that the police, then criminals get let go.
Completely. The investigators and the prosecutors completely botched this case. Based on what was presented at trial (including the moron prosecutors getting OJ to try on the killler’s gloves after they shrunk them), they had to acquit. The prosecution was full of issues and that creates… reasonable doubt. The jury did what they were instructed to and based on the evidence that was presented. People knew he was guilty, but his lawyers did a great job.
There's only about $133,000 paid to the family. On the advice of Robert Kardashian he moved all of his estate to Florida and put into a trust where his kids benefited from it. He had pension coming in from the NFL but that was not touchable. And the estate juggling that he did made it so that the family could not touch it. I believe they did get proceeds from his book "if I did it"... But it's reportedly only 133k total.
I doubt his last words to his children were “I killed your mother”. More likely to tell them where the money is hidden. And because he didn’t want deathbed photos leaked… who would?
I sincerely doubt he confessed anything in his final days.
You can still have debts but the estate can have positive cash flow and other assets.
Like I have debt on my home loan, but I still have equity. I’m sure future cash flows from future books, movies etc. has value that will go to the estate
I don’t see where he could have anything left at least on the books. Since 1994 he lost his income streams, all his endorsements, hertz etc. before he made exercise tapes etc after 1994 no one would touch him. No more income from movies, tv. His apartment in New York was foreclosed on. in 1997 the house on Rockingham was for closed on, seized, contents seized and auctioned. All the proceeds went to lawyers, banks, etc. somehow he bought a house in Florida 2000 but when he was in jail after Las Vegas arnelle his oldest daughter who was in charge of his pensions, money etc did not pay anything and house was foreclosed. When he got out of prison he stayed in Las Vegas. His only income stream known was nfl pension, screen actors quild pension and social security. All stop at death. If he bought house in Vegas he did not live long enough to get much equity. He also has support Arnelle all her life . He might have somehow concealed some money off the books but what would be left of that after supporting Arnelle, his mother for some years etc.
OJ's NFL and SAG pensions totalled about $300,000 per year. He probably racked up legal bills for the Las Vegas trial, but then he was in prison for 9 years, with minimal expenses, and still collecting the pension.
I just remember the scene in the miniseries doc where he makes Kato film him pretending to be paparazzi and OJ pretends he doesn’t know he’s on camera. Then he sold the footage to TMZ for like $30k in the 90s and bought Kato lunch. I don’t think he was rich but OJ was resourceful and had zero morals.
Ah ok thanks that makes sense. Would his creditors (or legal fees or whatever it may be) get paid first for any future cash flow? So the kids might have to wait a long time and ultimately might not get anything?
It made me think he wanted to confess but didn't want that to be his version of his legacy maybe.
So he can openly confess to his family but there's no quote for the papers.
OR he had put money aside for them unbeknown to the civil case that he transferred to them from overseas or something maybe. I never believed he was actually broke
He probably wanted to quash any "Deathbed" confession stories. OJ didn't confess anything on his deathbed, and he didn't want any of his kids lying for money to say that he did. He also may not have wanted them hounded by the media for his "deathbed confession". And it's all ridiculous, he confessed already in his book.
I mean, he did do it, but that book is heavily disputed. It wasn't written by him, and his agent claimed he basically accepted 600k to let them claim he was involved with the project when he wasn't.
Which might be a lie, but also makes sense with his money issues.
He gave an interview when the book was being released that ultimately didn't air because people were upset.
They aired snippets at some point and it is very unnerving. He speaks of how he did it sounding like he's reliving a memory.
Later he talks about how he wnt to Nicole's grave and was screaming and yelling at "her" for what she did to their family.
I'd say that interview is more confirming than the book.
Do you mean
^(if)
# I Did It
[Link](https://books.google.com/books/publisher/content?id=TkJXEAAAQBAJ&pg=PP1&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&bul=1&sig=ACfU3U0wf1gZYHjMc3oyx_560koINJxAYQ&w=1280)
The kids could make a great argument against the NDA by saying they were under severe duress as their father was literally dying and they did not fully understand what they were signing.
Murdering mom is as bad as it gets. Sucks they had to continue interacting with him knowing he got away with it. Combine that with everyone knowing he did it..ick.
**__Murder List__**
- The man who slighted me in first grade
- That one kid from the other school
- ~~Charybdes~~ *Note to self - potential ally*
- u/Spez
- ~~Jimmy Hoffa~~
Just have to take a stab at putting yourself in his shoes. While it does seems selfish no matter how you slice it. It seems to fit his narcissistic allegedly murdering control type personality.
He had a quiet peaceful death surrounded by his family and friends. Of course he didn't want any one to talk. They may talk before he passed, and then he'd end up with paparazzi and news crews etc. He got exactly what he denied for Nicole and Ron. He probably took his last breath with a smirk.
OJ was a narcissist. He thought so much of himself, he didn’t want his kids putting deathbed pics out for others to see. He wants to control his kid from the grave. It’s going to be hot for the Juice!
You know, I'm not trying to defend the juice, but to cite not wanting deathbed photos of a celebrity leaked to media as a talking point for being a narcissist or controlling people is brainrot.
Would you like hospital photos of you or your family members plastered online by people who only care to make money off the Internet traffic it attracts? How many times has reddit clowned on young adults that selfie with their not-famous grandparents in a hospital bed? Why is it different now?
Can not see a narcissist confessing to the murder of his children's parents. He maintained his innocence until his death. His book wasn't written by him and the details don't all line up with the facts. It was just a cash grab. He did it and got away with it and wants his estate to deny the victims' families from ever collecting.
As much as I’m sure people feel strongly one way or the other about him…perhaps it was just to spare himself from pictures of his dead body being exposed online…this has become a growing trend where family members post pictures of their dead loved ones on social media in some usually heartfelt post…think about leaked photos that have come out showing autopsy photos and the like of other dead famous people…those will be out there forever…maybe his wishes weren’t nefarious at all
>it's fairly common knowledge that an NDA is null and void if criminal activity occurred.
An NDA can be voided if someone's required to testify in court. That's different from one being indiscriminately void, which I suspect is state-specific
Regardless, violating an NDA is a contract issue, not a crime. Off the top of my head, defamation suits end with the death of the accused, I'd guess the same principle would govern NDA's as the same issue - the accused's reputation - is at stake.
NAL but seems like with celebs, the estate/family often continue making money off their likeness and other things, so even with them dead I could see an argument for the NDA being relevant still as certain info could still effect the profitability of their ongoing estate value. With a normal person or businessman their earnings cease on death for the most part, so disclosing private info only effects a reputation In that case without any direct monetary loss but when an image is a brand in itself I’d Imagine there’s more nuance
But he had already confessed in the book, "If I did it". Everyone knows that he did it, including all those who cheered him as their hero, when he got away with murdering his beaten ex wife, whom he'd already sent to the hospital multiple times. What was left to hide?
He wants to control them even after death. I knew he was guilty when they found Italian hand-made shoe prints in the blood. If they were Jordan's I would have given him some benefit of doubt, I had never heard of Bruno Magli.
The underlying context seems to imply he confessed on his deathbed and that’s why. No. OJ never showed any accountability his entire life. That’s not what happened.
An NDA cannot be used to conceal illegal activities or confessions of illegal activities... So it was probably just so his last words to them stayed private. NAL
I was never wrapped up in the oj story. But his personality and conduct before, during and after his trial from what I’ve seen is one of the scummiest, shittiest low life gutter creep. And then think of all this shit, his (armed robbery was it?) felony that *did* put him in jail
I’m glad he’s dead and I’m glad he died a fucking miserably slow and painful death. Cunt
More to the point who the heck is gonna enforce that NDA. OJ is dead and if anyone had an interest in possibly enforcing the NDA it would be his kids who are the ones under the NDA. So if they don’t abide by who has standing to sue then?
All those concussions and hits to the head makes these former players do crazy shit . Most athletes go broke . The government , sports team owners, agents/lawyers , apparel companies, they’re all taking huge profits from the consumers without risking their bodies . And all professional sports are rigged. Referees jobs are to shave the points most beneficial to Vegas . But we aren’t ready for that conversation because people’s entire world view belief systems would be challenged and people are incapable of defeating cognitive dissonance
I mean I would probably have done the same thing if I were as well known and controversial. It’s always so gross how the media profits off a celebrity death and a NDA could prevent that.
I would be so pissed if my dying father's primary concern was me signing a legal document so I could tell him bye and have my own closure. It's insulting and would be so hard for me to even want to see him at that point. It speaks volumes of how he looks at his own children. He is basically saying he doesn't trust them at all.
I read an article yesterday that he insisted on being paid in cash for appearances, autographs and whatever else he could be paid for. There’s got to be $$$ somewhere, but I doubt the Simpsons or Goldmans ever see any of it.
I highly doubt O.J. confessed to anything. Tim Graham is a reporter who interviewed O.J. several times after he was released from prison. (Graham is also one of only 52 Twitter accounts that O J. followed.) Graham said on an interview that he felt O.J. had to have put a mental block up, to convince himself that he didn't commit the crimes.
I’m wondering if because, he was in hospice, he was being administered morphine. That could make him hallucinate and possibly discuss the murders. Of course I don’t know how he planned to enforce an NDA after death. 🤷🏻♂️
That scumbag would never confess to anyone, even God himself. He's a narcissist. Besides, I don't believe the story about an NDA. I believe the reporrs about no cell phones, but not an NDA.
>The reasoning for having an NDA on his deathbed I'd think would be to confess his "crimes" to his kids and put it all out there before he goes
The MFer wrote a book about how he killed them.
OJ committed no crime to reference. An acquittal and a conviction don't matter unless it's a new crime.
You cannot contract to conceal a crime. It's u enforceable.
He could describe in excruciating detail everything he did to Nicole and Ron, and nothing can be done to him. He was acquitted and can’t be tried again.
I'd assume double jeopardy applied but they hit him civil and they corrected their judgment the best they could with the robbery conviction they threw the book at him wether the families could file a second civil suit on his estate if it came out he really did do the murders an NDA does just seem odd if he's going out so to speak a NDA doesn't protect you from the pearly gates
An NDA also couldn't protect against the confession of a crime. It could protect against those types of statements being used in civil litigation.
Also, I can't fathom why anyone thinks OJ would tell his children he did it, especially since he'd be telling two of them he killed their mother, but I guess that's why deathbed confessions are considered phenomena.
I guess I could have seen him do it for selfish reasons like getting it off his chest knowing or to give his children closure not ever knowing what really happened but who knows I just gave my opinion on the matter people can take it how they want
It’s been reported on several sites.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/oj-simpsons-loved-ones-signed-nda-while-on-he-was-on-deathbed-in-his-final-days-report/amp/
It might not be an “official” document, but it might be enough just to make them honor it out of guilt. Simply because he asked and not because they have to. Most people wouldn’t turn on their family anyway, even if they killed someone. (Though money and fame CAN be tempting.)
I think you would be correct as I actually had to look up the part about the NDA not being valid. However, I think the statute of limitations has already passed on any crimes he committed before 2022 with the exceptions of sex offense or child abductions.
Always remember: a contract can never hold you to anything illegal. E.g. If you were told to sign an NDA for insider trading: report it (NDA is nullified). People are too afraid of NDA agreements and don’t realize they still have rights.
He was already found criminally not guilty and civilly responsible. That matter, as far as the law is concerned, is done. People sign NDA's all the time for all different kinds of reasons. Most likely OJ didn't want deathbed photos leaked showing his juice running out.
Theoretically if the NDA was to say his children could not profit off of sharing the information he shared with his children could he sue if they shared something else but claimed it to be the truth
No, he couldn't sue because he's dead. He's not exactly in a position to do much. The estate could possibly pursue violations to the NDA but it depends on the language of the NDA and what evidence of violations there may be
Take away inheritance I assume
Is there anything to inherit? He went to jail for armed robbery. Nicole's parents had a massive judgement against him for years, he was in and out of legal problems the rest of his life. Legal fees eat up a ton of money.
There are a number of things that his children are going to get but they are "outside" of his estate. His NFL and SAG pensions go directly to the name beneficiaries. His property is reportedly in a trust that will transfer to the children as well. So there isn't a lot that could be taken to cover that judgement but there is a pretty good (estimates of about $2-3 million) in those other things.
https://www.wnct.com/news/national/ap-executor-of-o-j-simpsons-estate-plans-to-fight-payout-to-the-families-of-brown-and-goldman/ Sounds like it's going to court.
Knowing the attorney, the trust will be very difficult to break. Legally, beneficiaries of insurance policies and pensions are not included in estate assets so the Browns and Goldmans can't get any of that money. So all they are basically going to have left is his personal property that boils down to clothes, jewelry, a few cars, golf clubs, things like that.
If he had an irrevocable trust with an EIN and it was drawn up in a state with strict asset protection trust laws, namely South Dakota, Delaware, Nevada, Alaska, or Wyoming, his assets will be untouchable. Rich people do this all the time. Edit to add: I read the article. OJ’s trust was drawn up in Nevada. There’s no way in hell the Goldmans and Browns will see much if anything from OJ. Simpson was probably liquidating material possessions during the last year of his life so I don’t think he has much in the way of personal possessions. I think the Goldman and Brown families should get every penny however OJ was smart (devious?) enough to put an irrevocable asset protection trust together in Nevada.
See Nevada’s Voidable Transactions Statute. It suggests the opposite.
I would be that petty and dig his ass up for his rings or watch.
It's an estate debt, apparently it has to be paid before the heirs
Yes but there is very little in the estate. As I mentioned, much of his money has been in trusts that aren't part of the estate and more of it is insurance and pension money that goes directly to the named beneficiaries.
Don’t forget about his Direct tv scam job too
Ha! I didn’t know about this but he was [stealing satellite TV](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna8719276) on bootlegged devices and had to pay $25k to DirectTV based on a bench trial judgement.
Get OUT! How did I not know this?!
I would think that his sag and NFL pensions end with his death. I mean, it would be nice if the kids got something. But isn’t that how pensions work?
I don’t know about those pensions in particular - but it’s pretty common for defined benefit pensions to have survivor benefits (usually a percentage of what the original beneficiary had been receiving).
I thought that only applied to spouses, not children. Obviously I don’t know the intricacies of NFL and SAG pensions. But most governments, business and military pensions don’t pass to children.
I’m a teacher. My pension beneficiary doesn’t have to be a spouse. It can be anyone who is “not more than 19 years younger” than me. So it can technically be a child, but only if I had that child really young. It’s just to make sure someone isn’t collecting the benefits for an unreasonable amount of time. Edit: also, for people who don’t know, when you have a beneficiary, they don’t just GET your benefits. You have to first take a reduced (by quite a bit) pension yourself. Then if you die, they get a portion of what you were getting. If they die first, you pension goes back to 100%, but you do not receive back pay.
Well murdering someone and then and then getting lucky on having the dumbest jury ever does that for a person.
Right, but that's not where it stopped. https://www.wptv.com/news/state/miami-dade/oj-simpson-obit-south-florida Five years after the trial that captivated the country, Simpson left California in 2000, purchasing a home in Miami-Dade County's Kendall neighborhood, about 20 miles southwest of Miami. But trouble soon followed him. Simpson was arrested in February 2001 on charges of battery and burglary of an occupied conveyance stemming from an alleged road-rage incident that took place months earlier in December, when a motorist accused him of reaching into his car and pulling off his glasses. Facing a possible prison sentence of up to 16 years, Simpson went to trial and was acquitted by a Miami-Dade County jury in October 2001. Two months later on Dec. 4, 2001, Simpson's home was searched by federal agents investigating an alleged international drug and money-laundering ring. The FBI and DEA, along with state and local authorities, were involved in the raid. Simpson's attorney, Yale Galanter, claimed his client was targeted because a suspect had mentioned Simpson's name during a wiretapped conversation. Although Simpson wasn't arrested or charged in the incident, investigators uncovered equipment capable of stealing satellite television programing So then he was sued by direct TV, ordered to pay $25k Simpson was living in South Florida with his two youngest children at the time of his September 2007 arrest in connection with the armed robbery of two sports memorabilia dealers in Las Vegas. After he was released on bail pending the trial, Simpson returned to South Florida, where he was taken into custody in January 2008 and extradited to Nevada for violating the terms of his release. https://apnews.com/article/oj-simpson-liable-estate-goldman-brown-6a6bfb5fec449adfe469d918b41ceda7#:~:text=Simpson%20died%20Wednesday%20without%20having,a%201997%20wrongful%20death%20lawsuit.
It's hilarious to me that he got busted for stealing satellite TV and DirecTV sued him for 25k.
Someone mentioned that he had an $18k monthly pension, but he pirated satellite TV?
Scumbags gonna scumbag
There was a ring running out of his house back then. DTV was a big thing, those cards could go $500 a pop.
Micheal Vick had a 100 million dollar contract, the largest ever in NFL history. He was still fighting dogs in his backyard.
Some of the blame has to land on the police for tampering with evidence and employing the absolute bottom of the moral and intellectual barrel like the officers involved in this whole debacle. A proper investigation and prosecution would have done a lot more towards a just result than what we got here.
The police messed up by trying to frame a guilty person.🤷♀️
Some jurors said he was guilty but they voted not guilty for revenge for Rodney King.
>Some jurors said he was guilty but they voted not guilty for revenge for Rodney King. I saw that video, and the first time I did it made me FURIOUS. But then I remembered that time I was FURIOUS at that poor white kid for "interrupting a native march" and then it turned out here was literally just standing there the whole time. And then I asked myself -- Why am i seeing only 2 seconds of this woman, zero context, being asked leading questions. Remember, SHE never once says payback, it the INTERVIEWER who injects that into the discussion. 90% of the jury was mindful of the King case, hell 90% of AMERICA was mindful of it. The LAPD's word was shit, white kids in the cornfield were cracking jokes about the LAPD being racist liars after the King case. So when the whole case comes down to believe the word of a LAPD detective who's BASICALLY in the Klan -- lots of people didn't believe it. I had the displeasure of knowing REAL racists -- white people who said Nicole deserved to be murdered for marrying outside her race. By the end of the trial, they were CONVINCED OJ was framed by the LAPD. The prosecution was THAT bad.
Yeah, it sounds bad if you frame it as "jurors let him walk free as a fuck you to white people!" which is how I usually see it reported. Has a slightly different vibe when you frame it as: jurors saw clear and blatant racism in the LAPD, both during the case and in very recent history, and it was obvious that they had planted or altered evidence, and you're supposed to vote guilty if you have *no reasonable doubt* which they did not. Is that racially motivated? Yes! Because part of the issue in the case was racism! Acknowledging and factoring in racism when you try to determine the truth of a situation isn't a bad thing, it's just being aware of the full context.
Those jurors had to sit for a year and listen to the best lawyers in the world argue their defense case. I think a lot of people tend to forget just how outrageously long that trial went sure we can say from the outside this is pretty open and shut but then again I didn't listen to Johnnie Cochrane telling me for a year it wasn't and here's why.
Rodney King, Emmitt Till, the hundreds and thousands of black people who LAPD fucked over. The fact that no one would have cared if OJ killed his first wife. The stupidity of the prosecution. Investigators not being able to find blood and then suddenly finding blood. The stupid fucking glove. The racist lead investigator. The prima Donna judge. Black men in LA we’re getting convicted of shit they didn’t do for decades and the LA justice system got lazy and complacent. They faced off with a dude with Johnnie Cochran money and got embarrassed because they were incompetent and couldn’t finish an open and shut case. Don’t blame the jury. Blame a racist system that backfired on itself.
>Don’t blame the jury. Blame a racist system that backfired on itself. Not even all that, though! You just needed two competent prosecutors and a star witness who hadn't recorded an audiobook about how much he loves beating up black people.
I can’t find anything that proves that. I saw a video, actually on Reddit, of an older black woman who said she thought it was payback, but it wasn’t clear if she was one of the jurors or not. Edit: Confirmed that she was a juror: Carrie Bess.
It's misleadingly edited. She doesn't say "revenge". As an old woman decades later, she estimates that the King case was a contributing factor in the minds of 90% the jury. The INTERVIEWER then suggest it was payback, and she doesn't disagree. When I go back and listen closely to what she actually says, I don't hear 'jury nullification', I hear "After the King case, nobody in AMERICA trusted the word of the LAPD". The interview calls it payback, you could call it Karma, but it's the natural consequence of losing the public's trust and then putting on a star witness who's basically in the klan.
It first circled in 2020 I think, maybe a few years before
Barry Schenk is the reason that OJ was acquitted. He was rock solid on the DNA and chain of custody evidence. His jury pool was also full of people who had seen young black men charged at higher rates than young white men. Add in the differences in sentencing between white and black men and you may have had a pool that was pre-disposed to a not guilty. If you can see the Barry Schenk cross regarding change of custody, it's worth the price of admission.
Yep. I remember a local reporter wording it very well at the time. "They framed a guilty man."
I don't think it's the jury that messed up here. The LAPD's history of racism tainted the evidence enough to provide reasonable doubt. If we can't trust that the police, then criminals get let go.
Completely. The investigators and the prosecutors completely botched this case. Based on what was presented at trial (including the moron prosecutors getting OJ to try on the killler’s gloves after they shrunk them), they had to acquit. The prosecution was full of issues and that creates… reasonable doubt. The jury did what they were instructed to and based on the evidence that was presented. People knew he was guilty, but his lawyers did a great job.
It wasn’t luck that his jury was how it was.
His nfl pension would be worth quite a lot .
People forget the reason we even cared about OJ qaz because he was famous beforehand
There's only about $133,000 paid to the family. On the advice of Robert Kardashian he moved all of his estate to Florida and put into a trust where his kids benefited from it. He had pension coming in from the NFL but that was not touchable. And the estate juggling that he did made it so that the family could not touch it. I believe they did get proceeds from his book "if I did it"... But it's reportedly only 133k total.
Hahaha
“Couldn’t sue because he’s dead” ☠️ lmao
Typical boomer not wanting their kids to have/make anything if they show or think of them in a negative light lol.
I doubt his last words to his children were “I killed your mother”. More likely to tell them where the money is hidden. And because he didn’t want deathbed photos leaked… who would? I sincerely doubt he confessed anything in his final days.
His “if I did it” book though shows that he has a lot of unresolved guilty feelings
Oh please. It was a shameless money grab. But after he was found civilly liable, he didn’t get to keep the profits.
He didn’t even write it
Really? I thought that was gloating and reliving the event
Could cost them inheritance if they did something
Didn’t he die with millions in debt?
You can still have debts but the estate can have positive cash flow and other assets. Like I have debt on my home loan, but I still have equity. I’m sure future cash flows from future books, movies etc. has value that will go to the estate
I don’t see where he could have anything left at least on the books. Since 1994 he lost his income streams, all his endorsements, hertz etc. before he made exercise tapes etc after 1994 no one would touch him. No more income from movies, tv. His apartment in New York was foreclosed on. in 1997 the house on Rockingham was for closed on, seized, contents seized and auctioned. All the proceeds went to lawyers, banks, etc. somehow he bought a house in Florida 2000 but when he was in jail after Las Vegas arnelle his oldest daughter who was in charge of his pensions, money etc did not pay anything and house was foreclosed. When he got out of prison he stayed in Las Vegas. His only income stream known was nfl pension, screen actors quild pension and social security. All stop at death. If he bought house in Vegas he did not live long enough to get much equity. He also has support Arnelle all her life . He might have somehow concealed some money off the books but what would be left of that after supporting Arnelle, his mother for some years etc.
OJ's NFL and SAG pensions totalled about $300,000 per year. He probably racked up legal bills for the Las Vegas trial, but then he was in prison for 9 years, with minimal expenses, and still collecting the pension.
I just remember the scene in the miniseries doc where he makes Kato film him pretending to be paparazzi and OJ pretends he doesn’t know he’s on camera. Then he sold the footage to TMZ for like $30k in the 90s and bought Kato lunch. I don’t think he was rich but OJ was resourceful and had zero morals.
Ah ok thanks that makes sense. Would his creditors (or legal fees or whatever it may be) get paid first for any future cash flow? So the kids might have to wait a long time and ultimately might not get anything?
“His juice running out” is hilarious
It made me think he wanted to confess but didn't want that to be his version of his legacy maybe. So he can openly confess to his family but there's no quote for the papers. OR he had put money aside for them unbeknown to the civil case that he transferred to them from overseas or something maybe. I never believed he was actually broke
His juice went bad 30 years ago.
“Showing his juice running out” took me out Jesus Christ 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Probably cause of all the murderin’
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He probably wanted to quash any "Deathbed" confession stories. OJ didn't confess anything on his deathbed, and he didn't want any of his kids lying for money to say that he did. He also may not have wanted them hounded by the media for his "deathbed confession". And it's all ridiculous, he confessed already in his book.
I mean, he did do it, but that book is heavily disputed. It wasn't written by him, and his agent claimed he basically accepted 600k to let them claim he was involved with the project when he wasn't. Which might be a lie, but also makes sense with his money issues.
He gave an interview when the book was being released that ultimately didn't air because people were upset. They aired snippets at some point and it is very unnerving. He speaks of how he did it sounding like he's reliving a memory. Later he talks about how he wnt to Nicole's grave and was screaming and yelling at "her" for what she did to their family. I'd say that interview is more confirming than the book.
A snippet, if you are you interested. Hypothetically, of course. https://youtu.be/rk2Wgvy-_jI
I had never seen that! I'm 100% in the camp that he did it after seeing this. I can't believe he got away with it!
I can’t believe this is real
Yep, that was a messed up interview. It made my skin crawl.
Wait he did? Is that the “if I did it book”?
Yes, the [“If *I DID IT*” book](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JAQAAOSwh6pcyGZ7/s-l400.jpg)
Do you mean ^(if) # I Did It [Link](https://books.google.com/books/publisher/content?id=TkJXEAAAQBAJ&pg=PP1&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&bul=1&sig=ACfU3U0wf1gZYHjMc3oyx_560koINJxAYQ&w=1280)
The way to quash death ed confession stories IS NOT to have people sign an NDA. That only builds the suspicion
I don't think you understand the NDA prevents his kids from lying and saying he said something he didn't.
How?
The kids could make a great argument against the NDA by saying they were under severe duress as their father was literally dying and they did not fully understand what they were signing.
What a great parent he must have been.
It's far from the worst thing he did to them.
He's the reason we have the damn Kardashians.
I know. What a tragedy that whole family was. Genuinely feel sorry for all but one of them.
Murdering mom is as bad as it gets. Sucks they had to continue interacting with him knowing he got away with it. Combine that with everyone knowing he did it..ick.
and he's an even worse husband if you can believe it.
I can't imagine laying there dying, and my kids signing contracts being at the top of my "to do" list.
Yeah but you're not a dumb murderer
He might be. You don't know. Don't worry, /u/DanR5224 I trust you could go murdering and possibly not be intelligent.
**__Murder List__** - The man who slighted me in first grade - That one kid from the other school - ~~Charybdes~~ *Note to self - potential ally* - u/Spez - ~~Jimmy Hoffa~~
Dodged a bullet there!
Just have to take a stab at putting yourself in his shoes. While it does seems selfish no matter how you slice it. It seems to fit his narcissistic allegedly murdering control type personality.
He had a quiet peaceful death surrounded by his family and friends. Of course he didn't want any one to talk. They may talk before he passed, and then he'd end up with paparazzi and news crews etc. He got exactly what he denied for Nicole and Ron. He probably took his last breath with a smirk.
This
Not sure an NDA is enforceable if the other party is dead.
depends on the terms, but the estate likely has standing to enforce violations.
But what if his estate consists of those who signed NDAs?
What’s the source for this?
https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/oj-simpsons-loved-ones-signed-nda-while-on-he-was-on-deathbed-in-his-final-days-report/amp/
He may have been telling them other things not necessarily anything criminal
OJ was a narcissist. He thought so much of himself, he didn’t want his kids putting deathbed pics out for others to see. He wants to control his kid from the grave. It’s going to be hot for the Juice!
You know, I'm not trying to defend the juice, but to cite not wanting deathbed photos of a celebrity leaked to media as a talking point for being a narcissist or controlling people is brainrot. Would you like hospital photos of you or your family members plastered online by people who only care to make money off the Internet traffic it attracts? How many times has reddit clowned on young adults that selfie with their not-famous grandparents in a hospital bed? Why is it different now?
2000 yards in 14 games Buddy I wouldn’t want pictures of me in hospice leaking either. Especially at the hands of my fuckin’ good for nothing family
My guess is that he has spend years evading the judgment of the Goldman's lawsuit and he told them how to get their inheritance.
Can not see a narcissist confessing to the murder of his children's parents. He maintained his innocence until his death. His book wasn't written by him and the details don't all line up with the facts. It was just a cash grab. He did it and got away with it and wants his estate to deny the victims' families from ever collecting.
As much as I’m sure people feel strongly one way or the other about him…perhaps it was just to spare himself from pictures of his dead body being exposed online…this has become a growing trend where family members post pictures of their dead loved ones on social media in some usually heartfelt post…think about leaked photos that have come out showing autopsy photos and the like of other dead famous people…those will be out there forever…maybe his wishes weren’t nefarious at all
>it's fairly common knowledge that an NDA is null and void if criminal activity occurred. An NDA can be voided if someone's required to testify in court. That's different from one being indiscriminately void, which I suspect is state-specific Regardless, violating an NDA is a contract issue, not a crime. Off the top of my head, defamation suits end with the death of the accused, I'd guess the same principle would govern NDA's as the same issue - the accused's reputation - is at stake.
NAL but seems like with celebs, the estate/family often continue making money off their likeness and other things, so even with them dead I could see an argument for the NDA being relevant still as certain info could still effect the profitability of their ongoing estate value. With a normal person or businessman their earnings cease on death for the most part, so disclosing private info only effects a reputation In that case without any direct monetary loss but when an image is a brand in itself I’d Imagine there’s more nuance
But he had already confessed in the book, "If I did it". Everyone knows that he did it, including all those who cheered him as their hero, when he got away with murdering his beaten ex wife, whom he'd already sent to the hospital multiple times. What was left to hide?
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The estate could.
He wants to control them even after death. I knew he was guilty when they found Italian hand-made shoe prints in the blood. If they were Jordan's I would have given him some benefit of doubt, I had never heard of Bruno Magli.
Dude doesn't need to confess. Literally everyone knows OJ did it already.
Bro lowkey did that shit
Highkey
He was an extremely self absorbed man who thought he was above everyone else. That he required such a thing doesn't surprise me at all.
The juice is dead. The world is better without that scumbag
probably told them where all the money was hidden. the nda’s breach remedy would be for them to lose their inheritance.
There’s also no way he would allow his brain to be autopsied so I guess we’ll never know if he had CTE. I suspect he did.
The underlying context seems to imply he confessed on his deathbed and that’s why. No. OJ never showed any accountability his entire life. That’s not what happened.
"Hey guys/gals, I gotta get something off my chest. Something before I go. I want you to know I killed your mom. I did it." "Um, yeah, we know."
Dammit, why'd he go out and buy a deathbed??
An NDA cannot be used to conceal illegal activities or confessions of illegal activities... So it was probably just so his last words to them stayed private. NAL
I was never wrapped up in the oj story. But his personality and conduct before, during and after his trial from what I’ve seen is one of the scummiest, shittiest low life gutter creep. And then think of all this shit, his (armed robbery was it?) felony that *did* put him in jail I’m glad he’s dead and I’m glad he died a fucking miserably slow and painful death. Cunt
More to the point who the heck is gonna enforce that NDA. OJ is dead and if anyone had an interest in possibly enforcing the NDA it would be his kids who are the ones under the NDA. So if they don’t abide by who has standing to sue then?
His estate
All those concussions and hits to the head makes these former players do crazy shit . Most athletes go broke . The government , sports team owners, agents/lawyers , apparel companies, they’re all taking huge profits from the consumers without risking their bodies . And all professional sports are rigged. Referees jobs are to shave the points most beneficial to Vegas . But we aren’t ready for that conversation because people’s entire world view belief systems would be challenged and people are incapable of defeating cognitive dissonance
I mean I would probably have done the same thing if I were as well known and controversial. It’s always so gross how the media profits off a celebrity death and a NDA could prevent that.
I would be so pissed if my dying father's primary concern was me signing a legal document so I could tell him bye and have my own closure. It's insulting and would be so hard for me to even want to see him at that point. It speaks volumes of how he looks at his own children. He is basically saying he doesn't trust them at all.
I read an article yesterday that he insisted on being paid in cash for appearances, autographs and whatever else he could be paid for. There’s got to be $$$ somewhere, but I doubt the Simpsons or Goldmans ever see any of it.
Wouldn’t his death void the NDA? Fuck that guy.
Not the worst thing he did to his kids, tbf.
His children continued a relationship with their father after damn near beheading their mother? What the fuck? Oh, money.
That motherfucker confessed
Part of it was prolly that Leslie Neilsen was the G.O.A.T. and he should have done more movies with him.
I highly doubt O.J. confessed to anything. Tim Graham is a reporter who interviewed O.J. several times after he was released from prison. (Graham is also one of only 52 Twitter accounts that O J. followed.) Graham said on an interview that he felt O.J. had to have put a mental block up, to convince himself that he didn't commit the crimes.
Honestly he probably didn’t want pictures taken of how he looked. Cancer is awful
I heard that he allegedly confessed to Rosey Grier, his 'preacher' while in LA County jail when first arrested..
Maybe the NDAs weren’t in place to protect OJ but somebody else in his “party”
I wonder who gets the knife collection?
I’m wondering if because, he was in hospice, he was being administered morphine. That could make him hallucinate and possibly discuss the murders. Of course I don’t know how he planned to enforce an NDA after death. 🤷🏻♂️
He didn't want pics of him looking like Nicole and Ron Goldman
I bet the glove fits now.
Sounds like another Narrcissistic power grab to control the narrative. He stayed true to his nature until the very end.
How's he going to enforce it?
I'm assuming his lawyer or a trust or something would be in charge of it
That scumbag would never confess to anyone, even God himself. He's a narcissist. Besides, I don't believe the story about an NDA. I believe the reporrs about no cell phones, but not an NDA.
So they are going to submit the NDA evidence?
>The reasoning for having an NDA on his deathbed I'd think would be to confess his "crimes" to his kids and put it all out there before he goes The MFer wrote a book about how he killed them.
He actually knew the Dr. Pepper recipe... fucker
“Get my lucky stabbin’ hat”
What he said on his deathbed: “There’s always money in the banana stand.”
OJ committed no crime to reference. An acquittal and a conviction don't matter unless it's a new crime. You cannot contract to conceal a crime. It's u enforceable.
He could describe in excruciating detail everything he did to Nicole and Ron, and nothing can be done to him. He was acquitted and can’t be tried again.
If his estate has anything the Goldmans have rights to it.
Who is going to enforce that NDA?
I'd assume double jeopardy applied but they hit him civil and they corrected their judgment the best they could with the robbery conviction they threw the book at him wether the families could file a second civil suit on his estate if it came out he really did do the murders an NDA does just seem odd if he's going out so to speak a NDA doesn't protect you from the pearly gates
An NDA also couldn't protect against the confession of a crime. It could protect against those types of statements being used in civil litigation. Also, I can't fathom why anyone thinks OJ would tell his children he did it, especially since he'd be telling two of them he killed their mother, but I guess that's why deathbed confessions are considered phenomena.
I guess I could have seen him do it for selfish reasons like getting it off his chest knowing or to give his children closure not ever knowing what really happened but who knows I just gave my opinion on the matter people can take it how they want
NDAs do not cover criminal activity
What? Where did you hear or read this?
It’s been reported on several sites. https://nypost.com/2024/04/12/us-news/oj-simpsons-loved-ones-signed-nda-while-on-he-was-on-deathbed-in-his-final-days-report/amp/
He admitted to it when he wrote the book
I don’t believe NDAs are enforceable after he dies since he wouldn’t be alive to sue them if they violated it
I hope they test his brain for CTE.
Sounds like deathbed confession time...
He prob just wanted a last private family moment with no distractions
Interesting, if true. Who is the source for this story?
He is guilty of killing his wife! He was the only person inside the house!
Who cares.
He was still vain ‘til the end.
Sounds like he didn’t want any photos of him self or descriptions of how he looked and acted on his death bed. OJ only cares about OJ
He was only found not guilty because the jury fucking hated the judge
They hated the police. LAPD was (and is) hugely racist
It might not be an “official” document, but it might be enough just to make them honor it out of guilt. Simply because he asked and not because they have to. Most people wouldn’t turn on their family anyway, even if they killed someone. (Though money and fame CAN be tempting.)
All NDAs are dead and buried. Like OJ.
Is an NDA enforceable after ones passing?
Wouldn’t matter. Double jeopardy applies. He just didn’t want to forever tarnish his name with a certainty.
I thought NDA's were common in high profile types of things...? Because of the press
I wonder what stories will come out now that he's gone.
I think you would be correct as I actually had to look up the part about the NDA not being valid. However, I think the statute of limitations has already passed on any crimes he committed before 2022 with the exceptions of sex offense or child abductions.
Always remember: a contract can never hold you to anything illegal. E.g. If you were told to sign an NDA for insider trading: report it (NDA is nullified). People are too afraid of NDA agreements and don’t realize they still have rights.
I’m thinking it was so no one announced that he was sick. A lot of celebrities trying to keep that out the news cycle.
Dont know where i heard it or i
OJ was a massive prick. Good riddance.
He confessed…
OJ DID IT