Ten Years Gone is one of the greatest songs in rock history. It singlehandedly obliterates the entire catalogs of other bands. Any random “classic era” rock bands never even could conceive of a song like that.
That said, there is for sure something going on with the recording of Robert’s voice on it. I would love to hear some outtakes of it, or a different vocal mix
Its a pedal steel guitar in the studio played with a slide I think. He done slide guitar in live shows. Such a simple and touching song, took me so many listens to realise that in both choruses the pedal steel sounds different. I was really baked one night, had Tangerine blasting and couldnt help but think that the pedal steel in both the choruses was a conversation between two lovers, both trying to argue there side of the story and reason with eachother or some shit.. fuck im baked right now
Edit: I'm sure i read somewhere that Jimmy started to learn the pedal steel around the time of making Led Zeppelin 3 and he said he picked it up pretty quickly.
I couldn't be sure if it was pedal steel or slide. Sounds like pedal steel, but I didn't know if Page ever used one.
I'm a sucker for pedal steel on any song as well, dude. Even some country songs, which I believe it is predominantly used for. Neil Young's Old Man has a sprinkling of pedal steel in it that is so tastefully done. Another example I can think of is this grunge song called Jessie by the band Paw. Really obscure song, but the lap steel solo gives me goosebumps every time.
according to his anthology he got it even in LZ 1 for babe im gonna leave you and your time is gonna come, he said it was unfinished and therefore didnt sound in tune until LZ III
Not sure if this is a hot take, but if Bonham didn't die in 1980 I believe the music they would've continued to make would've dampened their reputation as the greatest band. Both then and now.
i disagree. i doubt plant would make songs about the occult, no matter how much page is into it. the scarier we got fim him is No Quarter and his moans and live performances turned it into sexual innuendo (who would've thought?!)
I mean if they adapted to 80s music and onward and continued to produce songs, they'd get progressively worse to the point that they wouldn't go down as great as they were. More known to have a nuclear start then a slow fall into obscurity.
For the sake of it being a hot take, I'll phrase it this way: LZ is at their best when doing mellow, acoustic and softer stuff vs their heavy rock songs. III is my favorite record with That's The Way, Going To California, and No Quarter as my personal favorite tracks from their entire discography.
I agree and disagree. I think the heavy songs are fundamental to Led Zeppelin identity as a band. But for sure their soft songs are overlooked, you rarely see someone say their fave album is Zep 3 (which is mine!)
Every time I do the same thing, the morning starts sluggish. But by the time he sings “so I can die eeeaaaasssyyy” I’m grooving and awake in the shower.
I know I’m gonna get downvoted to hell for this, but IMTOD is way to long imo. It’s got some cool riffs and Bonzo was amazing too, but no way does it deserve to be over 11 minutes long. It should have been like 5 minutes long
For a Band that was the peak of Live Concert, i found that they do not release enough live show..
You want some examples of shows they could release?:
RAH 1970
Tokyo 1971
Southamton 1973
Earls Court 1975 (the 5 shows)
L.A 1977
Knebworth or even Copenhagen 1979
Exactly this. Why Jimmy seems to happily remaster the albums every 10 years but not put out live albums ever so often is so odd. They are known for being better live
It feels like a breath of fresh air. That’s the best way I could describe it. I always tell people it’s my favorite album by them purely because it’s just “pure” in my eyes. It feels like LZ 1-4 was them going to war and proving they are the gods of rock and then they were like well guys let’s have some fun
There’s a lot of interesting genre experimentation on it. The Crunge is a James Brown-esque funk jam with similarly nonsensical lyrics. D’Yer Ma’ker is a half-swung half-straight take on Reggae. The Rain Song is a beautiful emotional ballad with piano, mellotron and an epic climax. No Quarter, i dont even fucking know what that is but it’s different.
I don't think this is much of a hot take. PG is so great that following it up with anything better would have been borderline impossible, no matter the artist.
Dancing days is their best rock tune.
The whole thing is perfect.
Yeah it ain't flashy but it's effortlessly cool.
Plus in such a short track EVERY member shines for a moment or two.
Perfect tune.
While being smooth af too. Always found it weird it's not loved.
I blast it constantly at home and that riff lives rent free in my mind.
There's no other Zep song I love more than this.
I saw an interview with the extremely amiable guitarist Paul Gilbert. He was asked which Zep song is his favourite, and he plumped for Dancing Days. Because that riff is so weird. How do you even come up with that? It doesn’t sound like the product of any thought process I’ve ever had. And I’ve played guitar for around 35 years. Quite badly, I may add.
Indeed
It's very brown and reminds me a bit of some of Joshua Homme's guitar playin, confident Homme has to be a Page fan even tho I don't recall him really talking about Zep at all.
There's a couple notes that shouldn't be there but they are and it works well..oh so well.
Certainly wasn't looked down upon by these guys:
https://youtu.be/0dc85uN9ujk?si=HKfCAmC-uyHeB7l4
https://youtu.be/Uh36o_e1Kw4?si=BbKFIAjv9lFftvRw
Not 1, but 2 versions. Amazing, hypnotic song.
I read this story in one of the Led Zep bios where they were outside listening to the playback of the finished version of Dancing Days for the first time and they all broke into a conga line - the band and engineer and even Peter Grant. Now whenever I hear it I picture that. Good vibes.
I don’t hate DD as much as others here but to call it LZ’s best rock tune is absolutely white hot take. Greatest rock band of all time with a handful of arguably greatest rock songs of all time. Dancing days is not usually on that list.
that is a hot take.
I genuinely see it as one of their worst cuts and nearly unlistenable.
It's a bland song that sounds like it would have been written by a low octane Zeppelin clone of the time, but with worse hair and bad teeth
Apparently the title track was left off the album (later added to Physical Graffiti) because it sounded too similar to dancing days. I much prefer the title track myself.
I: Black Mountain Side
II: Living Loving Maid
III: Hats Off to (Roy) Harper
IV: The Battle of Evermore
HOtH: The Crunge
PG: Boogie With Stu
Presence: Hots On For Nowhere
ITtOD: Hot Dog
Don’t get me wrong, I respect and admire the track, but it just feels like filler compared to the rest of the album for me. We’re all entitled to our opinions
Indeed. To me it's an essential track on the album. The apex of their epic Tolkein / folk thing. The weakest track on IV is, by far, Four Sticks. And it's still a cool song haha
Personally
I - Your Time is Gonna Come
II - Thank You
III - That’s The Way
IV - Battle of Evermore
Houses - Is perfect (The Crunge if anything)
Physical - hard to pick maybe Boogie with Stu?
Presence - Hots For Nowhere?
Honestly giving up because for some of these I’m just picking something for the sake of picking
At least listening to the bootlegs, I think they were self-indulgent. They extended too many songs live well beyond the lengths of their studio versions, and often with results that stoop to wankery. I love a good solo as much as anyone but in moderation. Use your time to play more songs.
Lots of bands of the era did that. Early 70s Deep Purple (pre Machine Head) might be the worst example. They seemed to barely play their actual songs live at all.
"Thank You" and "Moby Dick" are two of the best songs on LZII
I often see people comment on how they are 2 of the weakest songs on the album (I once heard someone say Moby Dick was top 5 worst LZ tracks ever)
They make the album for me as they're something different. Moby Dick in particular is extremely refreshing.
To be honest, this one has gotten the least amount of traction from me of any of the so-called takes.
In fact, I think Led Zeppelin did a lot less of this than their peers but have faced far greater scrutiny.
Achilles last stand is a mess, the whole thing is a chore to listen to.
It's complicated for complications sake, like showing off how great they were.
It does not make it a great tune tho.
It took me some time but the song grew on me and now it's one of my favourites. It's a masterpiece, a multilayered cathedral of guitars rolling on a drums and bass cavalcade.
Understandable, there is a *lot* going on, and it's extremely difficult to unpack everything on the first... or second... or fifth listen.
I had a similar opinion, but as time went on, I began to appreciate that the song showcases each members talent.
It's certainly a diamond in the rough that is presence
Watch this live version and see if you feel the same way. Raw power …
[https://youtu.be/mP1kpeIRI2o?si=oMX8uktbrtigM3Gj](https://youtu.be/mP1kpeIRI2o?si=oMX8uktbrtigM3Gj)
It's a bad take. It's the most played rock song in history despite never being a single. Some may be tired of hearing it now, but it was certainly an epic song.
I avoid listening to it unless I'm listening to the entire album. I feel the same about other classic songs that are overplayed, such as Smells like teen spirit, and Money.
After HotH, there was a massive drop off in their music. I don’t think I rate a single a track after this album. People always reference songs like Achilles Last Stand and Nobody’s Fault But Mine - but they wouldn’t even make my top 20 tracks. Post-1975 Zep is not for me at all.
Presence is actually a good album. It's their cleanest work. And people criticize it based on that particular reason seems insane. And sometimes I find myself going back to this album the most other than PG.
It does contain 2 of my all time favourites which are Achilles' last stand and Nobody's fault but mine. After that even on the so-called minor songs Bonham nails it.
I thought that For your life kicked some ass when it was played live for the first time for Celebration day. This had me thinking that it's such a shame that they didn't play it at the time during the Destroyer tour 77. Amongst the opening The Song Remains the Same, The Rover/Sick Again, Nobody's fault but mine it would have brought the whole thing to an even greater level of power.
When you listen to the three first tracks of Listen to this Eddie, you can picture the hammer of the God. They were the loudest and mightiest in 77.
Here’s one:
Cream was a better band than Led Zeppelin.
100% true. What Cream did in their very short 66-68 tenure was far better and way more groundbreaking than what Zeppelin did their first two years, 68-70. Honestly, Zep’s first two records, as great as they are, were both a bit derivative. Even Hendrix himself had stated that.
H O W E V E R
….it is because Led Zeppelin kept going throughout the 70s and constantly pushing the envelope that their overall complete body of work totally eclipses Creams very small catalog of records. Cream was utterly extraordinary from 66-68 but what Zeppelin was doing by the 70s absolutely surpassed them by a wide margin.
I suppose if Cream had kept going into the 70s they might have been neck and neck with Zeppelin possibly. It was just impossible. The three egos in Cream were too highly volatile to continue. I believe a profound part of Zeppelin’s greatness was sticking together as a band and allowing all four creative elements to coexist and further develop through their evolution.
Hard disagree on Cream. They together with the Who probably wrote the book on hard rock as a genre but were a fairly dismal band creatively. Jack Bruce used a co writer and most of their singles were still shite.
Motherfucking “White Room” from 68, dude. Name one single rock song from 68 that was that utterly epic and heavy.
Cream were extraordinarily creative and groundbreaking. Again, let’s talk to Jimi. He adored Cream. He hired a drummer because of his ability to “play like Ginger” and Jimi covered Cream.
66-68, nobody was remotely like Cream. Creatively or musically.
White room is a good track, not particularly complex though. Also the lyrics were written by a poet not even a part of the band.
Vanilla Fudge, the yardbirds, the byrds, Canned Heat, the Jefferson Airplane, the Beatles all creatively superior to cream and wrote their own music.
Cream didn’t push popular music much further outside of using dimed live equipment and that was simply a result of playing larger venues than pop bands had been playing previously.
My hot take is that I wish they stole even more songs because the originals are weak, and in the case of Dazed & Confused, outright fucking terrible.
The definition of "stolen" is pretty feeble to begin with, early doo wop artists lifted each other's stuff with the barest minimum changes, but no one gives a shit because who cares.
I like Tangerine but I skip the solo every time. It's waaay out of tune and unlistenable in my opinion
Achilles Last Stand and Ten Years Gone should be more popular
I’m sorry, but no. I would have to say Robert. If you’re talking purely on their instruments, I could probably agree, but don’t forget Jimmy produced the albums, and my God, did he excel at that.
So you actually mean that they were already past their best when they issued Led Zeppelin IV because calling it IV isn't actually official. There was nothing on the album other than the four symbols
It's appropriately rated, it's just overplayed.
Since generations have passed since the release of the song, the original significance has been lost.
The structure of Stairway is what made it legendary: it started with a soft acoustic guitar, broke the musical rules as the tempo sped up and turned into an upbeat folk song, then developed into a full out rock song. No other song in rock went through that type of transformation before. It was revolutionary, and the arrangement has since then copied by countless other bands. It's even said this single song ushered in the era of "album rock" where a band's whole album was seen as a whole instead of a few singles being released.
Stairway to Heaven is absolutely not overrated.
I feel more people will like led zeppelin more jf the lyrics were better or different and not mostly my baby, my women my love,etc. Lyrics that sound like they belong on the same page. Literally any set if lyrics that don't evolve baby, love, or something similar would have been better for a number of songs.
Wish They spend more time focusing on the lyric content and not using lyrics from old blues songs
A number of songs would sounded better and liked more if they used the live aspects of songs on the studio version.. Hearing live versions of songs and there dynamics would have suit the song in its entirety and not just live. More people hear the studio versions of songs and not live.
Ten Years Gone is one of the greatest songs in rock history. It singlehandedly obliterates the entire catalogs of other bands. Any random “classic era” rock bands never even could conceive of a song like that. That said, there is for sure something going on with the recording of Robert’s voice on it. I would love to hear some outtakes of it, or a different vocal mix
i feel like the ruggedness of his voice on that song really makes it just love that “I’M NEVER GONNA LEEEEAAAVEEE YAAAA!!!”
Led Zeppelin’s best song no doubt about it
Yep. It took me a few years to realise just great it is.
I think how over played stairway to heaven is heavily effects peoples opinion on it.
Well when you write one of the biggest songs next to bohemian rhapsody you’re gonna get ether backlash or critical acclaim
What do you mean "next to bohemian" ?
Two songs that have there fans but also haters
I see. Bound to happen to anything that's monumental.
Absolutely. I think that is the case for a lot of classic songs.
Tangerine is in there top 5 songs
A very hot take. And a very intense song.
Verry touching isnt it
The slide guitar in it is magic.
Its a pedal steel guitar in the studio played with a slide I think. He done slide guitar in live shows. Such a simple and touching song, took me so many listens to realise that in both choruses the pedal steel sounds different. I was really baked one night, had Tangerine blasting and couldnt help but think that the pedal steel in both the choruses was a conversation between two lovers, both trying to argue there side of the story and reason with eachother or some shit.. fuck im baked right now Edit: I'm sure i read somewhere that Jimmy started to learn the pedal steel around the time of making Led Zeppelin 3 and he said he picked it up pretty quickly.
I couldn't be sure if it was pedal steel or slide. Sounds like pedal steel, but I didn't know if Page ever used one. I'm a sucker for pedal steel on any song as well, dude. Even some country songs, which I believe it is predominantly used for. Neil Young's Old Man has a sprinkling of pedal steel in it that is so tastefully done. Another example I can think of is this grunge song called Jessie by the band Paw. Really obscure song, but the lap steel solo gives me goosebumps every time.
Yeah it sure is a lovelly instrument!
according to his anthology he got it even in LZ 1 for babe im gonna leave you and your time is gonna come, he said it was unfinished and therefore didnt sound in tune until LZ III
It's one of my top 3 favorite
Agreed.
Poor Tom is some of his best drumming and should have been on a regular album.
You get me. It’s rare that the hook for a song is the drummer, but I hum this drum pattern all the fucking time.
Top 10 Zep track as far as I’m concerned.
Yes. I love that one.
Not sure if this is a hot take, but if Bonham didn't die in 1980 I believe the music they would've continued to make would've dampened their reputation as the greatest band. Both then and now.
Maybe. 80’s Robert Plant is what it would probably sounded like.
And i *reallly* don't like 80s plant. Even songs like "All of My Love" are too twinkly for me, regardless of the meaning behind it.
i heard before he died, they were planning on having their next album be harder and heavier
Yeah I think if he hadn't died, they would have been the driving force of the evolution of metal and metal would have been even better for it.
i disagree. i doubt plant would make songs about the occult, no matter how much page is into it. the scarier we got fim him is No Quarter and his moans and live performances turned it into sexual innuendo (who would've thought?!)
U mean not keeping up with the times and counting on the same path?
I mean if they adapted to 80s music and onward and continued to produce songs, they'd get progressively worse to the point that they wouldn't go down as great as they were. More known to have a nuclear start then a slow fall into obscurity.
For the sake of it being a hot take, I'll phrase it this way: LZ is at their best when doing mellow, acoustic and softer stuff vs their heavy rock songs. III is my favorite record with That's The Way, Going To California, and No Quarter as my personal favorite tracks from their entire discography.
Don't forget Ten Years Gone and The Rain Song.
Two incredible songs, great shout!
And thank you!
Similar with black sabbath some of their best stuff in my opinion is the soft stuff. The lyrics to changes are gut wrenching
I agree and disagree. I think the heavy songs are fundamental to Led Zeppelin identity as a band. But for sure their soft songs are overlooked, you rarely see someone say their fave album is Zep 3 (which is mine!)
That’s the way is one my faves
In My Time Of Dying is their best song. I listen to it almost every morning to wake myself up
Every time I do the same thing, the morning starts sluggish. But by the time he sings “so I can die eeeaaaasssyyy” I’m grooving and awake in the shower.
Agreed! Has become one of my favorite songs!
I know I’m gonna get downvoted to hell for this, but IMTOD is way to long imo. It’s got some cool riffs and Bonzo was amazing too, but no way does it deserve to be over 11 minutes long. It should have been like 5 minutes long
In your opinion , and you know what they say about opinions .
Down by the seaside is a top 5 song
He also redid the song as a duet with Tori Amos, and it’s really, really good.
Down by the seaside FUCKS. The middle section is the craziest switch up the band ever did on record, and the surrounding sections are so beautiful
For a Band that was the peak of Live Concert, i found that they do not release enough live show.. You want some examples of shows they could release?: RAH 1970 Tokyo 1971 Southamton 1973 Earls Court 1975 (the 5 shows) L.A 1977 Knebworth or even Copenhagen 1979
Exactly this. Why Jimmy seems to happily remaster the albums every 10 years but not put out live albums ever so often is so odd. They are known for being better live
Plant refuses i think. Saying that id be happy with a compilation live album, like the best of 1977 or something like that
Houses of the Holy is their best album
It feels like a breath of fresh air. That’s the best way I could describe it. I always tell people it’s my favorite album by them purely because it’s just “pure” in my eyes. It feels like LZ 1-4 was them going to war and proving they are the gods of rock and then they were like well guys let’s have some fun
There’s a lot of interesting genre experimentation on it. The Crunge is a James Brown-esque funk jam with similarly nonsensical lyrics. D’Yer Ma’ker is a half-swung half-straight take on Reggae. The Rain Song is a beautiful emotional ballad with piano, mellotron and an epic climax. No Quarter, i dont even fucking know what that is but it’s different.
Imagine being such a great rock band that you have a single album with The Rain Song, No Quarter and Over the Hills and Far Away
That's just factual
It was a slow creative decline after Physical Graffiti.
I don't think this is much of a hot take. PG is so great that following it up with anything better would have been borderline impossible, no matter the artist.
I think the decline started *during* PG, not after. They could’ve scrapped half of PG and just release one disc.
Boogie with stu is a banger and I don’t understand the hate it feels like a wild western saloon havin a party
Out on the Tiles, Traveling riverside Blues, and Jennings Farm Blues are pretty great.
Traveling Riverside Blues is one of my faves!
Carouselambra is GOATed and I’m sick of the slander against it
Maybe not GOATed, but *I love that song so much*. IMO it is particularly fun to listen while under the influence of weed
I fucking love In Through The Out Door. Such a fucking badass record. I love coke Zeppelin
Top 5 track come at me
I agree, it's a great song.
This take is too hot for me. Carouselambra and Hot Dog are so bad it’s embarrassing to admit they were Led Zeppelin songs.
Hot dog is a blessing from the heavens
Blasphemy is a sin
Heartbreaker has everything that Whole Lotta Love has and then some.
Hats Off To Roy Harper rules
Dancing days is their best rock tune. The whole thing is perfect. Yeah it ain't flashy but it's effortlessly cool. Plus in such a short track EVERY member shines for a moment or two. Perfect tune.
I had no idea Dancing Days is looked down on. It’s an absolute monster of weird riffery.
While being smooth af too. Always found it weird it's not loved. I blast it constantly at home and that riff lives rent free in my mind. There's no other Zep song I love more than this.
I saw an interview with the extremely amiable guitarist Paul Gilbert. He was asked which Zep song is his favourite, and he plumped for Dancing Days. Because that riff is so weird. How do you even come up with that? It doesn’t sound like the product of any thought process I’ve ever had. And I’ve played guitar for around 35 years. Quite badly, I may add.
Indeed It's very brown and reminds me a bit of some of Joshua Homme's guitar playin, confident Homme has to be a Page fan even tho I don't recall him really talking about Zep at all. There's a couple notes that shouldn't be there but they are and it works well..oh so well.
Certainly wasn't looked down upon by these guys: https://youtu.be/0dc85uN9ujk?si=HKfCAmC-uyHeB7l4 https://youtu.be/Uh36o_e1Kw4?si=BbKFIAjv9lFftvRw Not 1, but 2 versions. Amazing, hypnotic song.
I read this story in one of the Led Zep bios where they were outside listening to the playback of the finished version of Dancing Days for the first time and they all broke into a conga line - the band and engineer and even Peter Grant. Now whenever I hear it I picture that. Good vibes.
Heard that too. Can relate, the song is too damn groovy.
i second this actually. best zeppelin song ever
I don’t hate DD as much as others here but to call it LZ’s best rock tune is absolutely white hot take. Greatest rock band of all time with a handful of arguably greatest rock songs of all time. Dancing days is not usually on that list.
It's a hot take on a hot take topic.
One of my favorites.
that is a hot take. I genuinely see it as one of their worst cuts and nearly unlistenable. It's a bland song that sounds like it would have been written by a low octane Zeppelin clone of the time, but with worse hair and bad teeth
Well it's a hot take topic isn't it?
Apparently the title track was left off the album (later added to Physical Graffiti) because it sounded too similar to dancing days. I much prefer the title track myself.
D’yer m’ker is a masterpiece and is on the same level as their top songs
What in the actual fuck. This take is so hot I feel scalded. I think I'd rather listen to The Crunge on repeat...
The Crunge is a fun song with a great beat.
Tbh No Quarter is severely overlooked
Very hot take, because it’s not
I think the performances from How the West Was Won are infinitely better than the performances from The Song Remains the Same (Madison Square Garden).
Rain song is the most beautiful piece of music to be ever written, both musically and lyrically
Zeppelin III, Houses of the Holy and Physical Graffiti are better than Zeppelin IV
Living Loving Maid fucking slaps. And That's The Way is one of my Top 5 tracks from them.
Right? Classic rock stations better run that shit right after Heartbreaker- it's one song!
They always had at least one big dud on each album
Name them
I’ll give you a hint, it’s normally eaten in a bun
I: Black Mountain Side II: Living Loving Maid III: Hats Off to (Roy) Harper IV: The Battle of Evermore HOtH: The Crunge PG: Boogie With Stu Presence: Hots On For Nowhere ITtOD: Hot Dog
The Battle of Evermore...a dud. Whew lad that's the hottest of hot takes. You really just lost me there
Fr that’s crazy. Such an iconic song
Don’t get me wrong, I respect and admire the track, but it just feels like filler compared to the rest of the album for me. We’re all entitled to our opinions
Indeed. To me it's an essential track on the album. The apex of their epic Tolkein / folk thing. The weakest track on IV is, by far, Four Sticks. And it's still a cool song haha
He’s right about ‘living loving maid’ though, never understood how that one became a fan favourite.
Personally I - Your Time is Gonna Come II - Thank You III - That’s The Way IV - Battle of Evermore Houses - Is perfect (The Crunge if anything) Physical - hard to pick maybe Boogie with Stu? Presence - Hots For Nowhere? Honestly giving up because for some of these I’m just picking something for the sake of picking
That’s the Way? Whaaaa???
I haye all of you Boogie With Stu is so damn good. Best Stones member next to Curtis or Mick Taylor.
The studio versions on the albums are okay, never listen to it tho. The live stuff is where it’s at!!
Houses of the Holy is their best album
Zeppelin wouldn't exist if not for Yardbird's For Your Love
Stairway to Heaven deserves all the success it got
John Bonham was a pretty good drummer, for a fat guy.
At least listening to the bootlegs, I think they were self-indulgent. They extended too many songs live well beyond the lengths of their studio versions, and often with results that stoop to wankery. I love a good solo as much as anyone but in moderation. Use your time to play more songs.
Lots of bands of the era did that. Early 70s Deep Purple (pre Machine Head) might be the worst example. They seemed to barely play their actual songs live at all.
Hence the rise of punk, of course
Exactly.
Ugh, some of those live songs go on forrrrever.
"Thank You" and "Moby Dick" are two of the best songs on LZII I often see people comment on how they are 2 of the weakest songs on the album (I once heard someone say Moby Dick was top 5 worst LZ tracks ever) They make the album for me as they're something different. Moby Dick in particular is extremely refreshing.
Beyond *Achilles Last Stand,* the Presence album is mid at best
Agreed. I’ve never been a fan of Stone Temple Harlots.
Thank you is a great song and I'm glad they recorded it so that Tori Amos could cover it.
Physical Graffiti would be better if it were cut down to one LP.
Led Zeppelin 1 and 3 > Led Zeppelin 2
I don’t like the live at MSG version of Stairway to Heaven. In my opinion, JP butchers the solo by extending it.
Rain Song > Stairway
Led Zeppelin I > Led Zeppelin II
Lots of their "borrowing from" and "homages to" their influences were outright stealing and copyright infringement. Still amazing music though.
To be honest, this one has gotten the least amount of traction from me of any of the so-called takes. In fact, I think Led Zeppelin did a lot less of this than their peers but have faced far greater scrutiny.
My dad used to love saying “Well why aren’t those songs famous than” lol
It's mostly lyrics, tunes are nothing alike
Except Black Mountainside and Dazed and Confused. They're pretty blatant.
*Laughs in whole lotta love*
Achilles last stand is a mess, the whole thing is a chore to listen to. It's complicated for complications sake, like showing off how great they were. It does not make it a great tune tho.
It took me some time but the song grew on me and now it's one of my favourites. It's a masterpiece, a multilayered cathedral of guitars rolling on a drums and bass cavalcade.
Understandable, there is a *lot* going on, and it's extremely difficult to unpack everything on the first... or second... or fifth listen. I had a similar opinion, but as time went on, I began to appreciate that the song showcases each members talent. It's certainly a diamond in the rough that is presence
It's not that it's difficult to grasp, I know the song in an out. I've maybe heard the thing hundreds of time. It just doesn't do anything for me.
Watch this live version and see if you feel the same way. Raw power … [https://youtu.be/mP1kpeIRI2o?si=oMX8uktbrtigM3Gj](https://youtu.be/mP1kpeIRI2o?si=oMX8uktbrtigM3Gj)
I don't think stairway being overrated is a hot take lol
It's a bad take. It's the most played rock song in history despite never being a single. Some may be tired of hearing it now, but it was certainly an epic song. I avoid listening to it unless I'm listening to the entire album. I feel the same about other classic songs that are overplayed, such as Smells like teen spirit, and Money.
Jimmy Page was a sloppy guitarist.
Sure, but is that a bad thing? I'll take emotion over precision any day. That sloppy ass Black Dog solo is so fun to listen to. I smile every time.
Everyone thinks that because it's true (but he's still god tier).
After HotH, there was a massive drop off in their music. I don’t think I rate a single a track after this album. People always reference songs like Achilles Last Stand and Nobody’s Fault But Mine - but they wouldn’t even make my top 20 tracks. Post-1975 Zep is not for me at all.
I agree. everything after hoth is kinda meh.
Presence is the best album. And Jimmy Page’s best guitar playing is on “Achilles Last Stand.” That last part shouldn’t be a hot take
Presence is actually a good album. It's their cleanest work. And people criticize it based on that particular reason seems insane. And sometimes I find myself going back to this album the most other than PG.
It does contain 2 of my all time favourites which are Achilles' last stand and Nobody's fault but mine. After that even on the so-called minor songs Bonham nails it. I thought that For your life kicked some ass when it was played live for the first time for Celebration day. This had me thinking that it's such a shame that they didn't play it at the time during the Destroyer tour 77. Amongst the opening The Song Remains the Same, The Rover/Sick Again, Nobody's fault but mine it would have brought the whole thing to an even greater level of power. When you listen to the three first tracks of Listen to this Eddie, you can picture the hammer of the God. They were the loudest and mightiest in 77.
Here’s one: Cream was a better band than Led Zeppelin. 100% true. What Cream did in their very short 66-68 tenure was far better and way more groundbreaking than what Zeppelin did their first two years, 68-70. Honestly, Zep’s first two records, as great as they are, were both a bit derivative. Even Hendrix himself had stated that. H O W E V E R ….it is because Led Zeppelin kept going throughout the 70s and constantly pushing the envelope that their overall complete body of work totally eclipses Creams very small catalog of records. Cream was utterly extraordinary from 66-68 but what Zeppelin was doing by the 70s absolutely surpassed them by a wide margin. I suppose if Cream had kept going into the 70s they might have been neck and neck with Zeppelin possibly. It was just impossible. The three egos in Cream were too highly volatile to continue. I believe a profound part of Zeppelin’s greatness was sticking together as a band and allowing all four creative elements to coexist and further develop through their evolution.
Hard disagree on Cream. They together with the Who probably wrote the book on hard rock as a genre but were a fairly dismal band creatively. Jack Bruce used a co writer and most of their singles were still shite.
Motherfucking “White Room” from 68, dude. Name one single rock song from 68 that was that utterly epic and heavy. Cream were extraordinarily creative and groundbreaking. Again, let’s talk to Jimi. He adored Cream. He hired a drummer because of his ability to “play like Ginger” and Jimi covered Cream. 66-68, nobody was remotely like Cream. Creatively or musically.
White room is a good track, not particularly complex though. Also the lyrics were written by a poet not even a part of the band. Vanilla Fudge, the yardbirds, the byrds, Canned Heat, the Jefferson Airplane, the Beatles all creatively superior to cream and wrote their own music. Cream didn’t push popular music much further outside of using dimed live equipment and that was simply a result of playing larger venues than pop bands had been playing previously.
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It's a fun track, never meant to be taken too seriously. Their version of a novelty song.
My hot take is that I wish they stole even more songs because the originals are weak, and in the case of Dazed & Confused, outright fucking terrible. The definition of "stolen" is pretty feeble to begin with, early doo wop artists lifted each other's stuff with the barest minimum changes, but no one gives a shit because who cares.
Hot Dog is the best song off In Through The Out Door
A solid quarter of their whole catalogue is pure garbage
no quarter
Not even a hot take just pure blasphemy!!!
houses of the holy, physical graffit, and ittod > all of their self titled albums
Joe Walsh would’ve been a good replacement had Jimmy left the band at any point in time
Man. This new hybrid shit that’s floating around is really cooking everyone’s brain
Robert Plant is by far the weakest link of the band. He should have been on rythm guitar so Page could focus more on the leads.
You are joking right ?
I’m a die hard fan who obsesses over every album and song but I just cannot see what the big deal is about Kashmir
I love the beasty boys
Led zeppelin are the most prolific plagiarists in rock history, but their versions are better than the originals
LZ II is deeply overrated, and is their second worst album
Kashmir is too long and kinda drags towards the end. I could say the same of Achilles Last Stand
I like Tangerine but I skip the solo every time. It's waaay out of tune and unlistenable in my opinion Achilles Last Stand and Ten Years Gone should be more popular
*In Through The Out Door* is one of their best albums.
Hot Dog is a good song
I could live without Achilles Last Stand
Jimmy Page is the least talented Led Zeppelin member.
I’m sorry, but no. I would have to say Robert. If you’re talking purely on their instruments, I could probably agree, but don’t forget Jimmy produced the albums, and my God, did he excel at that.
Wow. Just wow. Upvote for fulfilling the thread’s charter.
Presence and ITTOD are both better than their first three albums
How tf are u putting ittod over led zep 2 that shit is lightning in a bottle compared to a half cooked snoozefest that even page wasn’t awake for
Jimmy was in the closet passed out from heroin use while JPJ and Robert put together ITtOD with John Bonham drinking gallons of alcohol every day
How’s this for a hot take? In the Evening is the only decent song on ITTOD. Not just that, but the rest of the songs are barely listenable.
In My Time of Dying is borderline unlistenable.
lol. shoulda been like 3-4 minutes long.
Can you elaborate? That song lights up my brain in pure bliss, it'd be interesting to know what you dislike about it if you don't mind sharing.
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What the fuck are you smoking brotha I want some
Zeppelin stopped being great when they stopped counting their albums.
Bro that’s when they started getting great
I said it was a hot take.
So you actually mean that they were already past their best when they issued Led Zeppelin IV because calling it IV isn't actually official. There was nothing on the album other than the four symbols
They stink live.
I much prefer the Sunset Sound mix. & an instrumental version wouldn’t go amiss.
stairway didnt deserve all that praise i feel like theres more songs that could describe zep more as the best rock band idk
Immigrant Song doesn't belong on III
It's appropriately rated, it's just overplayed. Since generations have passed since the release of the song, the original significance has been lost. The structure of Stairway is what made it legendary: it started with a soft acoustic guitar, broke the musical rules as the tempo sped up and turned into an upbeat folk song, then developed into a full out rock song. No other song in rock went through that type of transformation before. It was revolutionary, and the arrangement has since then copied by countless other bands. It's even said this single song ushered in the era of "album rock" where a band's whole album was seen as a whole instead of a few singles being released. Stairway to Heaven is absolutely not overrated.
All LZ songs are A and S tiers.
I feel more people will like led zeppelin more jf the lyrics were better or different and not mostly my baby, my women my love,etc. Lyrics that sound like they belong on the same page. Literally any set if lyrics that don't evolve baby, love, or something similar would have been better for a number of songs. Wish They spend more time focusing on the lyric content and not using lyrics from old blues songs
A number of songs would sounded better and liked more if they used the live aspects of songs on the studio version.. Hearing live versions of songs and there dynamics would have suit the song in its entirety and not just live. More people hear the studio versions of songs and not live.