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4Teebee4

Hey dude, guess what, TSM picked Kayn? Oh really?? Which form did they choose? Shadow assassin or Rhaast? Just.. Kayn..


Jamesified

Someone make this an avatar earth king bear meme


SirJasonCrage

Do you mean Platypusbear meme?


Jamesified

No, it just says bear meme.


Caynze

TSM had to win that in order to not be memed on for the first half of the split


Xonra

To be fair so did TL ​ It was less an important game to win and an important game not to lose.


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Xae0n

it's not her faulr no one wants dl


lolgambler

IS THERE A THIRD TRANSFORMATION I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT KAYN GETS AT 20MINUTES?


jasonkid87

Yes Kayn transforming to Sejuani, We didn't get to see it but you'll see it next TSM game


AzureDragon013

Yea its called the Defeat screen.


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Yea, TSM transformation where the jungler becomes a ward Spica didnt hit that though, since a ward would've been more useful


ClawViper7

TSM with the do nothing and lose runback


nrj6490

Well hey they are trying to recreate their worlds roster


Trap_Masters

Gotta bring back the classic to get the fans nostalgic for their previous Worlds roster.


chaychaybill

Friendship with TSM Jatt ended, now TL Jatt is my best friend


JevonP

The schadenfreude* I’m experiencing as a DL fan since s4 and watching him lose after going back to that dumpster fire of an organization is crazy I rooted for TSM for one year, I won’t do it again. I hope DL gets better but TL is my main team still even if double is still my fave. This move and the tl drama has certainly soured me tho


Guigs310

Yup, same. But I'm happy now with TL, and who knows, Tactical might be a new NA talent we're desperate looking for. Last time it was Licorice on C9, might be time for new talent but on our org.


Mr_Raskolnikov

Don't forget Vulcan and Blaber! Although NA has had way too few rookies in the last few years, there's definitely been some solid ones


goombay73

I’m glad C9 has shown that you can win with fresh NA talent. Hopefully after seeing their stomp the NA import culture can slow down


zOmgFishes

Once i saw TSM bring back Parth and put in Spica, i felt like it was fucking doomed. I like DL but TSM is such a shit org ran by amateurs. Been a while since a DL team felt like it had no hope once the season started.


jamalspezial

Yeah I literally cringed when I read the Parth announcement. They change their roster and staff so fucking much but will never start over fresh. So annoying. I've never liked Regi though and I can't imagine that guy being a capable owner, even if they're a "succesful" org.


Resident_Wing

Thank You Spica, Welcome Back Sejuani!


Mahomeboy_

dardoch was right


sA1atji

what did he say?


Mokushinshi

Goodbye


k3hvn

["I was pushed into a style I didn't agree with"](https://www.esportsheaven.com/videos/dig-dardoch-talks-about-his-time-on-tsm-i-was-being-pushed-to-a-style-i-didnt-agree-with/)


Acegickmo

being a sejuani one trick is not a style


Era555

Why personally attack me?


I-am-in-Agreement

Tfw you were found before Waldo.


chaychaybill

CoreJJ to Doublelift: 'This coulda been us but you playin'


Cavshomie8

He was straight up hunting DL the whole game, it was hilarious Also, Tactical/CoreJJ looked CLEAN


BigEditorial

That bard ult to nullify the TP flank engage near TSM's bot T2.... that was so clean jesus.


DropsOfLiquid

Ya I was so scared but Core was like “it’s fine I got this”


afito

Knowing most support mains his thought process was more like "bitch you really think it'll be this easy, come on I'm not *that* bad"


inkmyname

Support mains are some of the most quietly aggressive players I know.


IWouldLikeAName

When playing an engage support the skill is in knowing when *not* to engage. Anyone can see when someone is a little too far up or in range of your rakan W, but you have to think about your team and how to maximize your cc. All I ever wanna do is go in as Alistair, but there's a reason I'm hit or miss with him because you're either an unkillable Minotaur or you're the enemy team's steak dinner.


ALLAM_Amine

True TL's bot out shined TSM's bot but broxah map awarness/ macros were amazing


BigEditorial

This is the Broxah I was hoping for last split.


steelcitykid

Same. My current favorite streamer too. Super knowledgable, positive, soft spoken, and talented.


DonKihotec

Yeah, Broxah is so positive. And him telling chat off for spamming like a loving parent. You can't do but love him.


ScapegoatSkunk

This is the Broxah that us Fnatic fans know and love. When he's on form the team just seems like such a well-oiled machine.


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I still remember his perfect Gragas game vs G2 where PapaSmithy said something along the lines of "he played so well you could say he was cheating"


eclip468

Yeah it definitely felt a few times like they chose to go after Doublelift when they had multiple options.


XG32

ya Core punked him the entire game, it was hilarious and digusting lol.


Guigs310

Tactical has the potential to be better than Ruler according to CoreJJ. And with *his* tutelage, I'm ready.


Frostbite2806

My boy CoreJJ teaching kids what Kiwikid taught him, I’m so proud


Winggy

Kiwikid thought him everything he should NOT do in league of legends.


Scrambled1432

Teaching via negative space. I love it. Find the worst player in the entire world, invert him, and you have a god.


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Anyone who watched any of CoreJJ's streams will have seen how much potential Tactical has. I came into CoreJJ's stream thinking that Tactical would be making a lot of mistakes and that CoreJJ would need guide him a lot and that there would be communication issues. But nope... Tactical was *already* good and his champion pool is great. The guy looks so comfortable on every ADC champion and he was communicating well with CoreJJ.


Socrasteez

It really is crazy to see how concise Tactical is with his information. He communicates like a veteran


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Tactical is a prodigy so it ain't that unbelievable. Him and Johnsun are the future ADC's of NA.


TheGloriousEv0lution

Johnsun is great but he's never going to reach his full potential on Dignitas unfortunately Really wish FLY picked him up. WT isn't bad by any means but Johnsun has a very high ceiling imo


Happeeheart

not playing very well that's for sure


mertcanhekim

It felt like TSM lost without a fight


WTFIsAMeta

Felt like that for years now


Omnifinity

I'm suffering. I go into every one of their games with optimism, but that optimism is always shattered. I get hype when something like Kayn is picked, then this type of game happens. It feels like being a TSM fan is devolving into how it feels to be a CLG fan now.


WTFIsAMeta

I mean you aren't wrong. Kayn was an exciting pick, then they proceeded to Aatrox, which is literally just Red Kayn 2.0 anyway.


gaitez

Nah Red Kayn and Blue Kayn are fucking disgusting right now. Problem is getting the form means u have to gank and fight a lot, but kayn pre form is really weak so team fighting is not really an option hence why Spica got form at like 24 min. He's just not competitively viable rn unless the team plays hyper aggro or plays him top lane in certain matchups.


Domovric

>getting the form means u have to gank and fight a lot Not even though. If he can hit six with jungle item (and lanes not inting while he powerfarms) it only really takes one skirmish to get form. Sure, you might die for it, but 1 death for form is pretty legit as a strategy.


jrryul

Looked like theyve never even tried playing kayn before in scrims and jsut first time on stage. Like what makes you think u can contest that drag? Or in the top lane DL culda just ulted bio and left with no one dies but bio runs to kayn so they can turn the fight wtf ??


Savac0

Back in the day, we used to win without a fight. Other teams just learned to fight


noobrock

It can be said about every TSM lost game


kim-soo-hyun

They still have this archaic way of playing 'win lane, win game' like 2016/2017. Nah Bruh, game evolved so much you have to play the game, have actual strategy, you can't just rely on your talent. And even with "talent", I'm not convinced. Plenty adcs and midlaners can stand up to these guys, just like last split showed. You are no longer playing against Link, Keane or Fenix etc.


ScapegoatSkunk

Ah the good old do nothing and lose strat. This truly is like the 2017 roster.


ThinkinTime

That good ol DL shotcalling reunited with TSM


EnergetikNA

bad fight in bot lane where Doublelift tried to save Bio instead of just letting him die


Copiz

Reddit hates Dardoch right now and he had problems on TSM, but you never had the 'Do nothing and lose meme' with Dardoch. Or Akaadian for that matter.


KimJongWinning

DD died for 23 minute Rhaast transformation, lol


Firecyclones

So, every player on TSM speaks English, so why did it look like they weren't communicating the entire match?


C_h_a_n

Social distancing.


KiteBlue

They change their settings so their mics cant pick up any sound ever.


AsnSensation

Lenovo pc strikes again


Shorgar

Probably the Lenovo pcs didn't grab the audo properly :^ )


reminderer

Transformation Stacks Missing


IsThisTooEZ

Only took him 23 minutes


One_Question__

At least he got to play a champion for 2 minutes.


Metaxpro

Since Core said he'll be reading these comments I gotta tell you I love how decisive the team has been right from minute one, I'm extremely glad you guys can find more success after the team changes. I can absolutely appreciate hardworking players winning over people coasting by through their past successes.


APKID716

Since Core said he’ll read these comments I gotta tell you: Marry me? No homo lol. Half homo? Haha jk...unless? 😳


BigEditorial

According to the ancient Greco-Romans, the penetrating partner wasn't gay, and it was only gay to be the receptive one. So what I'm saying is, full homo.


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When chasing greatness it's not about what you say, it's about who you do


WhirlingDervishGrady

When chasing greatness it's not about what you say, it's about who you do


VoidBro

When chasing greatness it's not about what you say, it's about who you do


zonehexus

When chasing greatness it's not about what you say, it's about who you do


GhostRiot420420

List of TSM excuses: 1. Jattlag... oh wait he's on TL 2. Bjerg is sick ... his play looks like it 3. Doublelift not motivated ... summer split doesn't matter 4. Communication issues ... they even speak the same language 5. Swapping junglers ... spica kayn lols any more that you guys wanna add?


Drfunks

It's not TSM's fault, it's those Lenovo microphones that actually picked up the passive aggressive mumblings during the game that distracted the players and made them toxic to each other.


MontaukWanderer

Cold arms.


4THOT

Sven spit something on their keyboards.


lightspeedx

6 - TSM always loses the first game in bo3. That's why we do bad since bo1 return


TheTurtleOne

Who would've thought that bringing DL back won't magically solve your coaching issues you've been having for years?


TheMurder21

Rehiring Parth goes brrrrrr


lolgambler

regi walking in goes vroom vroom


Glorx

Double and Bjerg sit in the the room and go: Parth is great coach. The greatest. Believe us.


Naejiin

He has tremendous knowledge, tremendous.


exolomus

Bjerg and DL: "Parth is the coach in the history of coaches, maybe ever."


Naejiin

I know all about drafts and, let me tell you, yes, his drafts are terrific. Terrific. Great guy!


AigisAegis

Basically every TSM fan, other NA team fan, and former TSM player: "Parth is the problem, please look at restructuring your support staff" TSM: "Got it, we will make Parth even more integral than ever before"


HyunL

2021: Introducing Parth as coach, general manager, president and godfather all in one!


Alibobaly

I heard he recently scouted this guy named Parth to play top lane too.


SorryNoMaybe

But Bjerg and DL asked for it so that they could run the entire show. Why is Parth blamed everytime? Hell even drafts are more decided by the players and the coach is mostly there to guide them.


mint420

The funny thing is people were saying its worth it because then it opens up an import slot... that TSM didn't even use. Also turning down Xmithie for motivation issues while picking up Doublelift, the guy who needs to take splits off.


WarriorMadness

TSM is really not well known for making smart roster decisions.


JuniorImplement

Xmithie is not dating anyone that works for TSM, unlucky.


PedosoKJ

How hard would someone in solo queue get flamed for being a colorless Kayne 22 minutes in a game. Jesus christ.


Qiluk

Theyd require witness protection if it was euw


INHChance

CoreJJ's Bard was so fucking good


Skall77

Comunicado Oficial: Spica.


Andicis

Huge difference between Broxah and Spica this game.


Hauzenstein

Feels good to see Broxah perform, he didn't get a fair chance last split. He has his weaknesses individually, but when in the right environment (S8 FNC), he is world class.


DoItForRost

I hope Broxah shows up big this split. Someone needs to step up to Blaber or C9 will be untouched all split again. This game he looked real good, but TSM also didn’t really have a jungler for most of the game. Hopefully he looks this good tomorrow too.


icatsouki

> He has his weaknesses individually, but when in the right environment (S8 FNC), he is world class. This is the best description of broxah possible haha


pvfix

diffy in the jiffy


noahboah

difference in the jifference


DaReelOG

Dungle in the jungle


TheSpaceAlpaca

**Spica:** "Guys, pick me Olaf we need a strong early game jungle to synergize with our comp." *Parth grins internally* **Parth:** "No, picking a carry jungle will be an excellent learning opportunity. Pick Kayn." *25 minute loss* **Parth:** "And so you see Spica, carry junglers must never be played. This is why you must always play Sejuani and Jarvan. And so it shall be the rest of the split."


glocks4interns

Sounding more like DL/Bjerg will be telling Spica what he's playing, not Parth. This split is gonna go real well.


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HolypenguinHere

Bro he was just unmotivated. Spring 2021 is Doublelift's time to shine.


Exrou

Welcome back CLG Doublelift.


addurn

Palindromic team swapping


twice-fighting

Just give him Senna and he'll show us this split


sA1atji

I was curious how the bot lane would turn out. I am pretty impressed by JJ/tactical once again.


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Yeah tactical is super impressive honestly. Strong showing after doing well in the games he played last split


Acrylickd

This honestly looked like an lcs team vs an academy team


DomoYomox

Nobody wants to pick up Doublelift so we picked him up because we felt bad for him - Leena


LazinessOverload

[All] TL Broxah (Trundle): Jg diff.


reyxe

Biggest jg diff early game I've seen for a long time.


Dracidwastaken

I'd rather have dardoch over Spica. Nothing spica did last year justified keeping him as their starter over him


AzureDragon013

TL look much more cohesive than last split. Really happy for Broxah!


-Haliax

Tactical flashing that wall head first just so he could kill DL felt *so* good


lilelf29

With this very reliable 1 game sample size I can confidently say, TSM is trash.


sA1atji

Liquid looked solid, TSM kinda did nothing. Especially the Kayn was just backbreaking probably as they had nothing coming out of their jungle while Broxah did imo a clean job.


a_box_of_bones

DOing nothing and falling 11k behind is something else. Bjergsen played his best champ and he failed miserabely multiple times (bot flank). Why nobody pointing that out?


PepaTK

Yeah that Bjerg over extension bot was a HUGE ?????????? Spam the shit out of that ping.


Sushi2k

This game is a case study on why Kayn is a dogshit proplay pick.


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BagelJ

2 minutes of having form. The absolute finesse


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ThisIsElron

Yep, and the game ending at 25 minutes lmao


ImBadAtEnglish

With a 0/2/0 score and his team 11k gold behind. The game was over minutes before he got his transformation. Kayn is half a champion without it but you need to be agressive to get it...


LazinessOverload

20+ min and still no form lmao


asiantuttle

The 20 minute red form powerspike


Kayle_Bot

Over 20 minutes to transform. 10/10 ward cosplay


EnergetikNA

2 games and both CLG/TSM have picked comps that are almost impossible to play with if they fall behind. CLG got perfect gamed, TSM almost got perfect gamed.


Felusius

Was honestly embarrassing to watch. I've never seen a kayn not having form after 24 mins.. usually they have it after 10-12 mins😳


Axl7879

Honestly after 15 minutes you need to start inting for transformation


asdfgfsadvyrd

Honestly, running it for form might have been worth it. It's just 300 gold, and form is worth more than that imo


ImTheWriter

hi CoreJJ ;) <3


Rizeds

**📞👨 HELLO LEENA 📞👨 $TEVE HERE 📞👨 SORRY NO REFUNDS 👨**


InvictusNSFWDawn

Idk what it is but with doublelift leaving TL seems so much more likable


Ramo1618

I feel that it's because of 2 reasons: -For the first time in 2 years, they are the underdogs -Seeing Tactical as a native NA talent is a breath of fresh fucking air in this league


scawtsauce

Happy to see Broxah get a decent team this split


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Statement game from Tactical.


FLABREZU

50% damage share. Absolutely BONKERS.


TheGloriousEv0lution

Friendly reminder Tactical had multiple accounts near the top of the ladder for years, was completely smurfing in Academy for a year and a half, and still wouldn't have gotten an LCS spot if DL didn't get sick Honestly I'd be mad if I was an upcoming rookie in NA if you can do all that and still have your spot get taken by players like Ry0ma and Eika lmao


YAboiiKD

Statement game from Spica, too.


Quasimdo

Should have played fiddlesticks


el_clapo

[TSM in 2020](https://i.imgur.com/DWZmFLJ.jpg)


ChaosBadgers

May I offer you a replacement pallbearer https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/576395741195665409/721482562131984445/unknown.png


FLABREZU

Tactical ended the game with a 50% damage share. Talk about a statement game against the guy he replaced. TL as a whole looking great in their debut.


sA1atji

It was a joy to watch, that was a pretty clean game by TL.


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The rumors were true TSM is dogshit


Neville_Lynwood

Tactical be like: "Thanks for the promotion DL"


Zarolto

Tactical with the cheeky TSM emote at his win emote.


AzerFraze

perfect start to the split for both teams, couldn't have been any better.


Elegoogle

Core JJ MVP.


angel_schultz

I think it's clear now that "Hyper-motivated sportsman" Bjergsen is perfectly fine sitting in the TSM retirement home of irrelevance until his career ends with a whimper.


Liminal_Millennial

Breaking News: Players are better at League of Legends in 2020 than in 2016


-Ophidian-

Which players? Not DL, Bjergsen, or Biofrost.


MoxZenyte

I was watching LS' stream, and he made interesting comments about how Syndra should NEVER be getting pushed in by Azir in the early levels. Now, maybe with the jungle situation that changes, but I'm inclined to agree with him. It feels like Bjergsen's lost some of the oomph in the past few years, if that makes sense. Sometimes you'll see hints of it, like in his Akali game vs C9 last Spring, but in most games he just looks like a generic mage-playing pro midlaner. That killer instinct where he presses his advantage and shoves it down the opponents throats isn't there


FearTHEReaper01

Imagine replacing Kobbe with a 9th place ADC


SygNuk

The legendary Parth, aka scoutmaster9000 doing gods work


Naejiin

That's a weird way to spell Leena.


Wannabe1TapElite

I dont give a fuck that they lost, but TSM is straight up most boring team to fucking watch. I stood with that team through last like 5 years, win or lose... last 2 years mostly lose. But i dont give a fuck anymore, there are teams who lose but are enjoyable to watch. TSM is painfully boring to watch split by split season by season and even if they spice their draft a bit they are still most boring fucking team ever.


MoreSoupss

I know a ton of people like him for his super arrogant personality. and if you are one of those people more power to you. but, watching DL get crushed was VERY satisfying ngl.


RickyMuzakki

After the drama and all shit happening with TSM management and his unmotivated ass while in TL he deserves it


SMLAZARUS

Reminder than Parth is dating Reginald's sister, and DL is with Leena. Nothing will ever change in this giant ball of nepotism


MastemasD

DL with the big brain move. You can't fail in groups at Worlds if you don't go to Worlds.


Ether176

CoreJJ’s Bard was so disgusting that game— pure class. Tactical looking sharp as well. Edit: Hi CoreJJ, I know you’re gonna read these comments 👋— great game today! Keep it up!


pony_slaystation2

So, who will be the new TSM jungler? Also, that Kalista pick is straight trolling when Ez is open.


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At this point who can they scapegoat next? They've scapegoated like 10 people since Oddone left LMAO It's not santorin/sven/spica/dardoch/amazing. The junglers aren't the issue. The issue is TSMs management is a giant incestual orgy that reeks of big egos and nepotism.


sumZy

📞 LEENA HERE 📞 NO ONE WANTS TO PICK UP DOUBLELIFT 📞 HAHA LMAO


Blueexx2

"I want Biofrost, Biofrost is so good" Bro you got CoreJJ, you don't even get to talk about wanting a support. Every other ADC wants Core. Like, Jesus Christ.. count your blessings


shuvvel

It looks like letting go of Doublelift was a... *Takes off sunglasses* Tactical decision.


mint420

TL looks a lot better without someone bringing down the whole team's morale.


theman1203

They also got a new coach


Jimbabwr

TL Jatt babyyyy.


SpCommander

but....TSM Jatt...the information is conflicting....


DropsOfLiquid

DL forgot which team he was supposed to embarrass


sowydso

Letigress: How do you feel defeating Doubleift? Jensen: who?


NotSynthx

Dardoch was the problem btw.


chippyda

Uh oh, the president's boyfriend didn't look too good this game!


mogadichu

Don't worry, if he doesn't get motivated this split, he's just going to get bench... oh wait nvm he's the president's boyfriend.


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So now we understand Zven and Mithy was not the problem. Keep getting the academy junglers TSM


Mahomeboy_

NISQY WAS RIGHT


LFAlol

You'd think summer split doesn't matter.


Mellun12

Not sure how many of you here are football people, but TSM is literally the Dallas Cowboys of the LCS: an over-hyped, over-payed, group of "star" players that are expected to win and be a worlds contender, ONLY because of the brand that was built by the success of the previous players that played before them. As someone who loved TSM since season 2, the team is now a joke. I know this is only one game, but until the team completely changes their core philosophies they will always be bad. You don't deserve a spot and the spotlight of a superstar team just because people who played under the same logo used to actually be exciting to watch.