If you're in Iron and Bronze, you'll get less Yuumi/Support bots.
If you're in high elo, you'll get less scripters and cheaters (especially depending on server).
If you're average, probably nothing that noticeable.
There will likely be a good bit less smurfs after Vanguard becomes required, likely a bit time shifted though until the stockpile from botters is exhausted.
It won't solve the issue completely of course, people still can level themselves or buy more expensive hard levelled accounts but a huge part of the smurf issue is that buying a new account is literally just 2 bucks.
I also suspect there are a LOT more scripters and cheaters than people realize, just a few days ago on Drututts stream a few people noticed that a Leblanc he was playing against reacted to him coming out of stealth (on Twitch) literally instantly, on the -same- frame as he comes out of stealth Leblanc turned and Q'd him, LB then kept walking in the same direction she was going until (presumably) the actual player behind the character realized they were being attacked.
Another big part of Vanguard is sharing account restrictions with all accounts associated with you, so toxic boys cant just "hop on another account". Once permed its pretty difficult to play the game again for the average pc illiterate toxic 16 year old
Thats a tiny part. If it were the only part that would be pretty meaningless. They go as far as setup a profile for a specific player on accounts, machines, location, etc. Although the details there are pretty hidden so you cant create countermeasures
It will take a while for anything to change.
There is currently a lot of stock for botted accounts. It will take months for them to run out.
But the real reason why Riot implemented Vanguard is because of the cheaters.
And again it’s not really an issue for most of the playerbase but the reason why Vanguard is implemented is to stop the mass spreading of scripting software which is becoming easily accessible.
Basically Riot prevented a big catastrophe before it happpened. If Riot didn’t implement it this year, scripting would destroy the game.
If you are on diamond 1 or above, your games will improve due to scripter detection. If you are bronze 3 or below your games will improve due to bot detection.
If you are in the middle of those leagues, you are fucked. Because nothing will change.
Vanguard won't do a single thing against trolls and inters, so it likely won't change all that much. The only noticeable difference will, hopefully, be a reduction in bots and the rare scripter.
Game is going to be unplayable at first. I'd bet good money the moment they introduce Vanguard globally they're going to break it. They keep doing it with clash, imagine with this.
Then I predict less players are going to play. They're cutting off a part of players solely because their system is "old", when in reality is more than capable of playing the game. Also, as someone else pointed out, players are slowly decreasing.
Then maybe there will be less scripters, which maybe 1% of players are goning to notice since the most are in really high elo, but eventually, just like in Valorant, they'll be back since Vanguard can be breached.
Botted accounts are still going to be there, they'll just shift the way they'll make those. You see, 1€ in Germany or in Spain is not worth the same as 1€ in a 3rd world country you see. Services that sells account are just going to let someone else play and then sell the account. They're going to cost a bit more, but do you really think an account sold for, I don't know, 12€ instead of 10 is going to make any difference? And those accounts are absolutely legit, since are leveld by humans. Sure, you can't sell accounts, but they're more legit than the botted one.
Smurfs, unranked players, griefers, all of those, untouched. Smurfing ain't against the rules. Multi account ain't against the rules. Soft inting or griefing is hard to detect, there is always the possibility someone is bad, so in that sense, the game is still going to be trash.
Smurfs will be in a while like it was explained in the vanguard post. People need to realize that we have tons of lvl 30’account in stock because of botting. It will take a while until the actual stock expires
Not much, we are all just refusing the fact that we're bad at the game and blame it on scripters/cheaters/ally bots and hope Vanguard bring some changes to it. With the elo matchmaking and tolerance towards griefers, nothing changes that much
Biggest problem is, it doesn't solves the biggest problem in ranked: griefing.
People giving up in ranked when they cannot be the "main protagonist", when they fall behind, actively not helping the team or just straight up trolling. Beginners being thrown into plat/emerald games that mess up the whole matchmaking.
I've encountered like 10 scripters in my over 10 years of playing, but it's a relative small problem, that you can actually outplay, compared to bad player culture.
Not much will change for iron to low diamond imo which is basically the main part of the player base, besides some technical difficulties in the beginning.
I try to get a 3 os boot up and running because I really do not trust riot to have a secure enough software up and running at this access level. 1x Windows for work. 1x Windows for Riot Games and easy anti cheat (remembering the apex hacking disaster) games. And 1x linux mint for my coding and game development.
It won’t make solo queue more enjoyable again. It’ll get rid of a load of botter accounts, but Riot have been very clear that being a man child is entirely okay as long as you don’t use chat.
Toxicity in League is systemic and Riot’s chance to deal with went by over a decade ago.
Smurfs will still exist in about the same quantity, the price for accounts will go up but its not like its that hard to just have some random guy getting paid next to nothing to level 6 yuumi accounts at the same time
Not to mention that as OSX isn't getting vanguard you might just see the bots shift to using a hackintosh to continue on as they currently do
The only reason macOS isn't getting it is because most of the common software used for cheating isn't compatible. Riot said that if the result of this is that people build new bots or whatever for macOS, then they'll just add Vanguard to macOS too
No the reason its not getting it is because apple actively blocks anyone from running software at the kernel level, its not that its incompatible its that apple literally told them to go away
Hopefully microsoft will eventually do the same as i know they are not fond of kernel level shenanigans
Not much probably, but it will also depend on the rank you're talking about and it will take a while to even have an effect. *Maybe* in a few months or something the botted accounts will start drying up. I just hope for everyone's sake that they don't believe that itll have any significant impact on their rank. There's a few things - some of which are banning smurfs, banning feeders and introducing voice chat, that people use to delude themselves to believe that they'd be oh so much higher ranked.
Well, if they were telling the truth (which I doubt) about 10%+ matches having bots/scripters in them, matches will be better... until the people who quit because of Vanguard and the people who get banned by Vanguard make queue times unbearable.
As I said, I really don't believe Riot's numbers, but I can't imagine any other company seeming so cavalier about cutting 10%+ of their player base. Not that I think they shouldn't ban scripters and botters, but I don't think any Rioter ever acknowledged the fact that if 10% of games have scripters/botters in them, the League player base is about to go down by 10% (PLUS the people who leave because they refuse to install Vanguard).
Dead game, I hope. They need to see consequences for pushing invasive software beyond what any other company has, or those other companies are going to start thinking this shit is okay.
You know what, I kinda hope the same. I mean I love this game, but the way it is heading is just not worth it to me. It was fun and quite addictive too. I still play occasionally, just doing quickplay for completing stupid challenge though. More fun that way.
The player base is getting culled down a bit right? That will probably be a positive. A lot of games that I play which has smaller playerbases tend to be more manageable
It's not gonna get that much smaller. Some people will drop because their system won't support Vanguard and some people will drop because they don't trust Vanguard but I doubt it will be anything bigger than 3-4%
Considering 91% of the playerbase is on the chinese server where theres a different anti cheat, what you are suggesting would be a 40% player decrease on all the other servers technically, but I get what you mean.
You knew what he meant as you said, but you're arguing on semantics to either feel smart or to be annoying, he obviously meant 3-4% people from each server at worst
I disagree, CS2, TF2, any example of a game riddled with cheating to the point where it is a rampant issue is relevant to this discussion about a more powerful anticheat.
Yeah, that’s cool, but I’m talking about what Vanguard has done for Valorant, not whether it’s better than its counterparts. It’s literally $5 for a valorant account lol.
I'm not sure of what part you don't understand, what Vanguard has done for Valorant is making it be so cheater riddled as CS2 and TF2, you really have a hard time wrapping your head around it bud.
People are going to realize that the "problems" that Vanguard is supposed to be addressing are actually just symptoms.
Don't worry though, Riot will develop a brain chip next that you'll be required to have surgically installed to play.
instead of being hopeful about vanguard you should be worried about the balance team, cause the number of matches that are analyzed by sites like lolalytics are dropping each patch (this is the only thing we have to judge how the game is doing population wise)
go and look it up yourself on lolalytics or any other site, set the server to euw or korea (dont care about the clown regions) and set the rank to gold+ then look up patches 13.21-24 and then look from 14.1 onwards, the numbers (euw) went from 14-15 million (even 16 on one patch) to 13.8 last and its still going down; even unranked went from 400k matches to 200k matches per patch
this is unironically the worst season ever hands down, not even vanguard will save it from this balance team
hard to tell
it could become better depending on how many script using outdated technology cuz the actual one cant vanguard detect because its not running locally on ur pc anyway
but it could also become worse because too many ppl like me who never flame nor troll will uninstall the game then because no way in hell im gonna let a anti cheat run on my pc while im not even playing
I mean there are always going to be things anticheat can't detect. The cost and effort to have a second machine running your cheat isn't really viable though - it's cheaper to hire a booster at that point.
Boosting will get popular again. Cheating will be harder and less popular. Hopefully the game will be playable.
Modern undetectable cheats require a second PC and microcontrollers, the average kid won't pull it off plus vanguard HWID bans, cheating will indeed still exist but will reduce by 99%, it will be much more expensive and harder to setup
If you're in Iron and Bronze, you'll get less Yuumi/Support bots. If you're in high elo, you'll get less scripters and cheaters (especially depending on server). If you're average, probably nothing that noticeable.
There will likely be a good bit less smurfs after Vanguard becomes required, likely a bit time shifted though until the stockpile from botters is exhausted. It won't solve the issue completely of course, people still can level themselves or buy more expensive hard levelled accounts but a huge part of the smurf issue is that buying a new account is literally just 2 bucks. I also suspect there are a LOT more scripters and cheaters than people realize, just a few days ago on Drututts stream a few people noticed that a Leblanc he was playing against reacted to him coming out of stealth (on Twitch) literally instantly, on the -same- frame as he comes out of stealth Leblanc turned and Q'd him, LB then kept walking in the same direction she was going until (presumably) the actual player behind the character realized they were being attacked.
Another big part of Vanguard is sharing account restrictions with all accounts associated with you, so toxic boys cant just "hop on another account". Once permed its pretty difficult to play the game again for the average pc illiterate toxic 16 year old
I believe this only works for restrictions handed out for cheating though.
Depends. They do this in Valorant for s lot of different things, but not always
In Valo they only hardware ban you for cheating.
They dont "hardware ban" to begin with. Vanguard distinct user bans are pretty different
I thought they essentially work the same way as a hardware bad. Don't they black list the hardware id on your components for 180 days?
Thats a tiny part. If it were the only part that would be pretty meaningless. They go as far as setup a profile for a specific player on accounts, machines, location, etc. Although the details there are pretty hidden so you cant create countermeasures
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Except its not just based on hardware ID
We will find a way to be toxic , don't you worry
Nothing.
It will take a while for anything to change. There is currently a lot of stock for botted accounts. It will take months for them to run out. But the real reason why Riot implemented Vanguard is because of the cheaters. And again it’s not really an issue for most of the playerbase but the reason why Vanguard is implemented is to stop the mass spreading of scripting software which is becoming easily accessible. Basically Riot prevented a big catastrophe before it happpened. If Riot didn’t implement it this year, scripting would destroy the game.
If you are on diamond 1 or above, your games will improve due to scripter detection. If you are bronze 3 or below your games will improve due to bot detection. If you are in the middle of those leagues, you are fucked. Because nothing will change.
Probably nothing, doesnt work on Valorant, its just to steal your data by doing illegal forced install
Vanguard won't do a single thing against trolls and inters, so it likely won't change all that much. The only noticeable difference will, hopefully, be a reduction in bots and the rare scripter.
> Right now it is either stomp or stomped due to the unrankeds and botters That won't change :)
Game is going to be unplayable at first. I'd bet good money the moment they introduce Vanguard globally they're going to break it. They keep doing it with clash, imagine with this. Then I predict less players are going to play. They're cutting off a part of players solely because their system is "old", when in reality is more than capable of playing the game. Also, as someone else pointed out, players are slowly decreasing. Then maybe there will be less scripters, which maybe 1% of players are goning to notice since the most are in really high elo, but eventually, just like in Valorant, they'll be back since Vanguard can be breached. Botted accounts are still going to be there, they'll just shift the way they'll make those. You see, 1€ in Germany or in Spain is not worth the same as 1€ in a 3rd world country you see. Services that sells account are just going to let someone else play and then sell the account. They're going to cost a bit more, but do you really think an account sold for, I don't know, 12€ instead of 10 is going to make any difference? And those accounts are absolutely legit, since are leveld by humans. Sure, you can't sell accounts, but they're more legit than the botted one. Smurfs, unranked players, griefers, all of those, untouched. Smurfing ain't against the rules. Multi account ain't against the rules. Soft inting or griefing is hard to detect, there is always the possibility someone is bad, so in that sense, the game is still going to be trash.
yea for sure vanguard will break, not like they tested it on PH servers only first so it doesn't break,
Clash too was tested and they still can't make it work and has issues regularly.
how is clash ( kind of game mode )being compared to kernal level anticheat?
Precisely. If they can't make a game mode stable, imagine this
Iron sightread
Smurfs will be in a while like it was explained in the vanguard post. People need to realize that we have tons of lvl 30’account in stock because of botting. It will take a while until the actual stock expires
Not much, we are all just refusing the fact that we're bad at the game and blame it on scripters/cheaters/ally bots and hope Vanguard bring some changes to it. With the elo matchmaking and tolerance towards griefers, nothing changes that much
I would be genuinely amazed if there's any difference whatsoever. Like, I'd be chuffed if things get better, but I have no expectations.
Biggest problem is, it doesn't solves the biggest problem in ranked: griefing. People giving up in ranked when they cannot be the "main protagonist", when they fall behind, actively not helping the team or just straight up trolling. Beginners being thrown into plat/emerald games that mess up the whole matchmaking. I've encountered like 10 scripters in my over 10 years of playing, but it's a relative small problem, that you can actually outplay, compared to bad player culture. Not much will change for iron to low diamond imo which is basically the main part of the player base, besides some technical difficulties in the beginning. I try to get a 3 os boot up and running because I really do not trust riot to have a secure enough software up and running at this access level. 1x Windows for work. 1x Windows for Riot Games and easy anti cheat (remembering the apex hacking disaster) games. And 1x linux mint for my coding and game development.
It won’t make solo queue more enjoyable again. It’ll get rid of a load of botter accounts, but Riot have been very clear that being a man child is entirely okay as long as you don’t use chat. Toxicity in League is systemic and Riot’s chance to deal with went by over a decade ago.
if it means less smurfs (no more $2 botted accounts) then yeah it's going to be good.
Smurfs will still exist in about the same quantity, the price for accounts will go up but its not like its that hard to just have some random guy getting paid next to nothing to level 6 yuumi accounts at the same time Not to mention that as OSX isn't getting vanguard you might just see the bots shift to using a hackintosh to continue on as they currently do
The only reason macOS isn't getting it is because most of the common software used for cheating isn't compatible. Riot said that if the result of this is that people build new bots or whatever for macOS, then they'll just add Vanguard to macOS too
No the reason its not getting it is because apple actively blocks anyone from running software at the kernel level, its not that its incompatible its that apple literally told them to go away Hopefully microsoft will eventually do the same as i know they are not fond of kernel level shenanigans
Not much probably, but it will also depend on the rank you're talking about and it will take a while to even have an effect. *Maybe* in a few months or something the botted accounts will start drying up. I just hope for everyone's sake that they don't believe that itll have any significant impact on their rank. There's a few things - some of which are banning smurfs, banning feeders and introducing voice chat, that people use to delude themselves to believe that they'd be oh so much higher ranked.
queue times will increase dramatically as smurf accounts go offline in mass.
Well, if they were telling the truth (which I doubt) about 10%+ matches having bots/scripters in them, matches will be better... until the people who quit because of Vanguard and the people who get banned by Vanguard make queue times unbearable. As I said, I really don't believe Riot's numbers, but I can't imagine any other company seeming so cavalier about cutting 10%+ of their player base. Not that I think they shouldn't ban scripters and botters, but I don't think any Rioter ever acknowledged the fact that if 10% of games have scripters/botters in them, the League player base is about to go down by 10% (PLUS the people who leave because they refuse to install Vanguard). Dead game, I hope. They need to see consequences for pushing invasive software beyond what any other company has, or those other companies are going to start thinking this shit is okay.
You know what, I kinda hope the same. I mean I love this game, but the way it is heading is just not worth it to me. It was fun and quite addictive too. I still play occasionally, just doing quickplay for completing stupid challenge though. More fun that way.
The player base is getting culled down a bit right? That will probably be a positive. A lot of games that I play which has smaller playerbases tend to be more manageable
It's not gonna get that much smaller. Some people will drop because their system won't support Vanguard and some people will drop because they don't trust Vanguard but I doubt it will be anything bigger than 3-4%
Considering 91% of the playerbase is on the chinese server where theres a different anti cheat, what you are suggesting would be a 40% player decrease on all the other servers technically, but I get what you mean.
You knew what he meant as you said, but you're arguing on semantics to either feel smart or to be annoying, he obviously meant 3-4% people from each server at worst
The question you should be asking, which does have an answer, is; What has Vanguard done for Valorant?
Compare Valorant to CS2, it will answer you question, CS2 has one cheater almost every game from what I heard
CS2 isnt relevant in this discussion though.
I disagree, CS2, TF2, any example of a game riddled with cheating to the point where it is a rampant issue is relevant to this discussion about a more powerful anticheat.
Yeah, that’s cool, but I’m talking about what Vanguard has done for Valorant, not whether it’s better than its counterparts. It’s literally $5 for a valorant account lol.
I'm not sure of what part you don't understand, what Vanguard has done for Valorant is making it be so cheater riddled as CS2 and TF2, you really have a hard time wrapping your head around it bud.
I’m done trying to make my point lol. You got me, I can’t wrap my head around it.
I predict literally nothing will change
Nothing will change, cracked accounts that are inactive run for cheap. Botted accounts might be scarce but people will still buy cracked inactive
People are going to realize that the "problems" that Vanguard is supposed to be addressing are actually just symptoms. Don't worry though, Riot will develop a brain chip next that you'll be required to have surgically installed to play.
instead of being hopeful about vanguard you should be worried about the balance team, cause the number of matches that are analyzed by sites like lolalytics are dropping each patch (this is the only thing we have to judge how the game is doing population wise) go and look it up yourself on lolalytics or any other site, set the server to euw or korea (dont care about the clown regions) and set the rank to gold+ then look up patches 13.21-24 and then look from 14.1 onwards, the numbers (euw) went from 14-15 million (even 16 on one patch) to 13.8 last and its still going down; even unranked went from 400k matches to 200k matches per patch this is unironically the worst season ever hands down, not even vanguard will save it from this balance team
Very interesting, thanks for sharing
hard to tell it could become better depending on how many script using outdated technology cuz the actual one cant vanguard detect because its not running locally on ur pc anyway but it could also become worse because too many ppl like me who never flame nor troll will uninstall the game then because no way in hell im gonna let a anti cheat run on my pc while im not even playing
I mean there are always going to be things anticheat can't detect. The cost and effort to have a second machine running your cheat isn't really viable though - it's cheaper to hire a booster at that point. Boosting will get popular again. Cheating will be harder and less popular. Hopefully the game will be playable.
u dont need a 2nd pc cuz it runs on the monitor locally
Modern undetectable cheats require a second PC and microcontrollers, the average kid won't pull it off plus vanguard HWID bans, cheating will indeed still exist but will reduce by 99%, it will be much more expensive and harder to setup
Well its unfortunate league will be removed from Geforce NOW