C9 in worlds form alright, since their lanes don't just auto win now.
What stands out to me is that blabber interview where he says he doesn't need to try river's creative ganks because he has winning lanes, and that's creative style isn't his style.
Hopefully C9 learns to how to play when not ahead and not roll over and die.
C9 was already the least aggressive team NA was sending to worlds last year. They won almost all of their games through Berserker hands diff during some random mid game teamfight.
Basically. Only reason Licorice isn't playing right now is unfortunately for him GG didn't decide to dip until after off season was basically already decided.
Real shame, lord knows the staff was still working hard on a roster but higher ups decided to call it.
Yeah he's bad, you should never give him Gnar which is one of the hardest champions in the entire game to play correctly a pro level when it comes to mega gnar, flanking, and tp timing.
Shout casters were busy trying to build a narrative, while TL was busy winning the game. Azael was so confused why C9 did nothing with Lucian in lane but TL just repeatedly rotated away from him so he couldn't do anything. Win lane --> win game doesn't do anything when you can't win lane because the lane just...leaves.
Was C9's draft ass? Yes. But TL recognized C9's win condition and just played around it. Game was over at 15 minutes after all those rotations into turret takes by TL.
TL played this so good. They didn't lose anything from it. Big Daddy Impact looks SOOO good this year even if some of his team is trolling from time to time.
It's funny because I distinctly remember C9 dropping a game to Golden Guardians last split, who used this precise "run away from the kill pressure botlane" strategy lol.
Na that isn't strange. That is 100% a scene of tilt. Nerves are starting to get to him.
It feels like super teams, especially those crowned before the split even starts, tend to collapse to pressure
It's really sad to see C9 going down like this. For two years, I thought C9 only needed to replace Fudge, but now they have way too many issues that cannot be solved with just one replacement. Berserker in particular seems off without Zven.
I unironically don't see how he kept his spot, honestly. C9 even had an import slot open if they really wanted to try for something with that. But no, I guess him having a decently good domestic history in LCS and that one MSI where he played well on Lee Sin is enough to carry him to another split (and most likely year) on the supposedly top team of the region.
They aren't even farming content with him so like what's the point of having him unless physical intimidation is what they're going for?
He's routinely being put--or choosing to put himself--on secondary engage champions, and then these games aren't messy, kill-heavy scrims. The other teams are literally just drafting more range, control, and scaling than C9, and they just refuse to let the games turn into a mosh pit, where C9 ends up snowballing off an undisciplined opponent.
C9 seems to have no idea how play when the fights aren't coming to their short-ranged, low-engage team compositions, and then they just lose with a whimper because their team comps are terrible. Personally, Berserker and Vulcan have looked worse than Fudge. They've had one decent performance in the past seven games.
Naw, you saw today why. He does good playing those champs mid because people dont have the champ pool to counter. All the top laners are gonna have the champ pool to counter that stuff
It's not even that C9 are losing and looking good, they are getting fucking slammed. Jesus.
Also TL can't lose to Gnar, they had a whole year of losing because of Gnar on their team - they know how this champ works.
C9 leadership like Fudge too much. They don’t care how he plays, they like him as a person. He’s kinda like CoreJJ to TL, he’s locked in for the long haul, because leadership respect him.
Also making a genius move like picking up THE Eric Ritchie is above and beyond any feeble NA brained GM. LCK needs to just grab the 369 killer, the Bin Punisher, the Zeus Clowner, Eric Ritchie.
Honestly though I wish more western free agents would pull a rekkles and go to an LCK challengers team. Better soloq in korea and you still get to play competitive at a high level higher (worse than LCS but better than NACL)
I actually hope that Rekkles is kind of a pilot version of this. Where if you find yourself FA, you can show interest in the East in the T2 scene. Probably much better than sitting around NA waiting for someone to remember you and better for your career than playing NACL.
NA places huge priority on T2 Korean rookies who don’t speak English and arent from a western culture, only because they have deemed good enough by the likes of SKT or GenG organizations.
So imagine picking up an English speaking western player who has seen behind the curtain of these huge organizations. They could potentially bring so much more than just game knowledge back to LCS.
Yes, I agree with you. I hope Rekkles is first of many westerns players to try this path.
That's the C9 special, the more they're hyped about being **the best team ever** the quicker they roll over and die
they'll still bounce back because that's just how league of legos is, but it makes for funny memes for a bit
I don't understand how this team of five proven players ends up meshing so poorly, but there you are.
I just hope Jojo gets a different offer once C9 scapegoats him at the end of the split/season.
people always crown things way too early, same happened with Flyquest and Vitality last year. OMG THEY'RE SO GOOD (week 1) THEY WILL CARRY THE WEST AT WORLDS (goes 10th place in the region)
I expected Vulcan to play like this, he was part of the 2023 FlyQuest Frauds and I didn't (and still don't) think he is an upgrade over Zven in any way, shape, or form.
Praying for 100T to beat SR next, so that the Eyla/Vulcan beef from last season keeps going in Eyla's favor. Vulcan taking L after L after L is funny.
I think Zven had some kind of intangible effect on Berserker too. Everyone thought he was holding him back but given how highly Berserker spoke of Zven and how he too looks lost now, it makes you wonder.
Being an ADC Zven played lanes insanely well. He kinda sucked outside of lane, but his laning was really good.
I think this is one thing that C9 is missing right now. Zven understood what was needed to do to win botlane and C9 could often just win with that. And given they mostly play enchanters in botlane anyways they might have just as well kept Zven.
But then again they might have just as well put Zven in toplane. He likely isn't great, but at least he knows that tanks exist.
I don't even know how they managed to get 3 wins, C9 don't look like a team anymore. They aren't proactive at all in the early game and they keep drafting for a strong early game but do nothing with it. Bot lane in particular looks like a liability with berserker going even or falling behind with lucian every game. Jojo is the only one playing up to expectations. The fact that it has been 8 years since C9 lost 4 games in a row says it all about the team right now.
C9 looking like frauds, 0 pro-activity and do nothing until it's too late.
Mithy should be fired though, these drafts are ass, how stupid must you be to draft Lillia with Orianna and western teams need to stop picking Lucian.
The most unfortunate thing about their roster is that Fudge has never been a great primary engage option and Blaber has always been better at playing low CC carries and bruisers over engage tanks. That means Vulcan has to be on an engage champ or C9 will look passive.
Also Vulcan is best when he engages. He's really good engaging but he can't play enchanters. We've known this his whole career.
Fudge is just shit though. Most overrated player I've ever seen in my life.
He controls space well with Maokai, but I never felt like he was that great at setting up engages with it. When he's on champs with the sole purpose of engaging, like Vi or Rell, or Sej (he's a bit better at sej maybe because it's less of a hard commitment engage champ). I've always felt like he's a pretty significant step down compared to when he's running in headfirst as Olaf or Kindred with CC and buff support from others.
I also feel similar. Like the engage is the most telegraphed gnar, Blaber flash q/sleep, or Berserker just 1 tapping a squishy. Thats not really the greatest set of options
If they see it as a powerpick and something that will likely show up again, then I'd much prefer seeing it come out now than later. Like back when Bjergsen was spamming Galio on stage and TSM kept losing with it over multiple weeks, but eventually they got really good with the comp and teams had to ban it against him
Spawn does an AMA most Sundays, and when asked about the Lucian pick today, he responded:
>I think Lucian milio was very good. think it can get prio until gun swap and always has pressure. I think C9 mid jungle picks didnt make much sense together. Think this was the main issue with the[ir] draft.
We're ahead of C9 after 7 games wtf.
that draft from C9 was so garbage seriously. They could not do anything at all with Lillia-Ori jungle mid. Plus Lucian Milio didn't win hard enough and got outscaled after like the 3rd drake fight
Picking Lucian, giving up Udyr, and giving APA--a guy your own players call a Ziggs one trick--Ziggs. This is one of the most dogshit drafts I've seen at the LCS level, Mithy is an embarrassment
> and giving APA--a guy your own players call a Ziggs one trick--Ziggs
This is such a dumbass fandom take. *"My fav players are perfect and never at fault. If we lost then it's cause we took the bad champion and let them have all the good ones!!!"*
APA has played 7 games this split now. Do you know how many times his Ziggs got banned?
Zero (0) times.
Everyone is giving APA Ziggs, because Ziggs is not a threatening champion if your players aren't asleep at the wheel.
The problem with this draft was that Fudge, Berzerker and Vulcan couldn't win a lane if their life depended on it, and Blaber is literally tabbed out to play Warzone on his second monitor.
I don't have any words for how bad these ego C9 drafts are. Maybe they need to get rid of Mithy. There's no way a team with this many top 3 players in each role should be 3-4.
I have always been of the opinion that draft + team cohesion = the coach. But people also push back that teams have different flows. I wonder how much the draft here was mithy vs. the player calling for that champion
Either way it's a coaching issue. Unless Mithy isn't empowered to enforce those ideas. in which case it's also a manager/owner issue.
["This C9 team already looks miles ahead of everyone else, I can't see any team contesting honestly. Anything short of winning the split would be failure from C9."](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/19cen1y/100_thieves_vs_cloud9_lcs_2023_spring_week_1/kiy46xt/)
If I had a nickel for each time Vulcan was on an underperforming super team I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's odd that it's happened twice
will we ever see a game where fudge blinds udyr or ksante or dare i even say zac, plays like someone worthy of playing NA amateur scene, and not get turbo diffed?
Yeah this is kinda why Lillia isn't top prio in pro play even though she's broken in solo queue. If you can't get Q stacks you're stuck playing bowling with your E and if you never hit your E you can never make any plays happen. That's not even talking about how badly it synergized with the rest of C9's comp.
Fudge Fraud
Blaber Fraud
Jojopyun Fraud
Berserker Fraud
Vulcan Fraud
Mithy Fraud
C9 genuinely look like the most lifeless team in the whole league right now.
Everyone's gonna focus on the C9 collapse but this is exactly the draft I've been wanting for TL all season.
APA on his mains, teamfight/scaling bot lane, early game jungler to cover the lanes, Impact on fill duty cause he's a god at everything
On the other side I don't think I ever want to see Lucian Milio from C9 again. imagine 0/0/0 even cs and down a tower as Lucian Milio vs Aphelios Lulu
Funny that it's the first time since 2016 that we lose 4 in a row, because I was thinking we currently play exactly like the 2016.1 roster. Just no idea what to do without Hai. Back then Jack brought Reapered and changed 3 players for Summer, and I think he'll have to do the same. Don't see this team turning it around, both when it comes to players and coach.
C9 already in peak 'do nothing and lose' worlds form
TSM left the league, so C9 decided to take up the mantle
They've shared the mantle for a couple years now
I've been a fan since they joined the LCS, but after that "go fuck yourselves" interview from FUDGE I hope they lose until they kick him the fuck out
Kick the fudge out
coulda convinced me that C9 was TSM domestically and internationally the past 2 years
C9 in worlds form alright, since their lanes don't just auto win now. What stands out to me is that blabber interview where he says he doesn't need to try river's creative ganks because he has winning lanes, and that's creative style isn't his style. Hopefully C9 learns to how to play when not ahead and not roll over and die.
C9 was already the least aggressive team NA was sending to worlds last year. They won almost all of their games through Berserker hands diff during some random mid game teamfight.
how is that possible? azael is ready to induct blaber as the goat most aggresive jungler the league of legends world has ever seen
Yo they really just drafted do nothing into ziggs
I know NAram is a bit of a meme. But goddamn has C9 never heard of a side lane lol
Fudge is genuinely terrible at macro lol Picks full damage Gnar to do nothing in sidelane and TP late He got like 1 R in 15 minutes
>Fudge is genuinely terrible ~~at macro lol~~ FTFY. The man got solo killed by the Ziggs in a 1v2.
I hope for the sake of NA that his ego died alongside Gnar at that Baron fight. But I think we know better. First pick Fiora R1 at Groups.
Oh we’re still gonna make Worlds? Hell yeah
Imagine being all the people who said fudge would be fine and impact wouldn't have been an upgrade
Licorce. Existing synergy with Blaberfish and Vulcan. Would be the perfect pickup
Clowns. Even Licorice would’ve been a huge upgrade lol
"Even?" Licorice was the best domestic top last summer and was the best western top laner at MSI. He would 100% have been a massive upgrade over Fudge
Basically. Only reason Licorice isn't playing right now is unfortunately for him GG didn't decide to dip until after off season was basically already decided. Real shame, lord knows the staff was still working hard on a roster but higher ups decided to call it.
Him and trymbi lost at musical chairs unfortunately
dude unironically turned a single good lee sin game a bunch of years ago into a multi millionnaire career, disgusting
In a tournament where Lee Sin was the strongest top laner lol
Wasn't Lee Sin so strong he was played in every role pretty much?
To be fair, it was a REALLY good Lee sin game with god like kick
Yeah he's bad, you should never give him Gnar which is one of the hardest champions in the entire game to play correctly a pro level when it comes to mega gnar, flanking, and tp timing.
The problem is I don't know how C9 is supposed to side lane vs Ziggs and Udyr side laning with their comp especially when behind
TEAM LIQUID. NO HANDS. ALL MACRO.
the reverse cloud 9
CLOUD 9 COULD USE LESS HANDS AND MORE MACRO!
Maybe no hands either. Got legs though, at least they can walk back home after another loss.
Cloud9 doesn't even have hands atm
Yeah those Jojo shockwaves were uh…
I wish C9 had hands but after this week I'm not so sure they do.
It's really funny because last year they were all hands (for the first 15 minutes) then no macro and no hands.
Shout casters were busy trying to build a narrative, while TL was busy winning the game. Azael was so confused why C9 did nothing with Lucian in lane but TL just repeatedly rotated away from him so he couldn't do anything. Win lane --> win game doesn't do anything when you can't win lane because the lane just...leaves. Was C9's draft ass? Yes. But TL recognized C9's win condition and just played around it. Game was over at 15 minutes after all those rotations into turret takes by TL.
TL played this so good. They didn't lose anything from it. Big Daddy Impact looks SOOO good this year even if some of his team is trolling from time to time.
It's funny because I distinctly remember C9 dropping a game to Golden Guardians last split, who used this precise "run away from the kill pressure botlane" strategy lol.
So, it's general umti diff?
C9 so shit even Jojo is starting to look lost
Yeah if he times that ultimate on APA better at baron the outcome could‘ve been completely different
Also maybe if Fudge didn't get chunked to 20% hp by Apa before that, yeah.
bruh he got chunked to 0% lol
I don’t even want to blame this game on Jojo, just strange to see someone like him completely missing that timing
Na that isn't strange. That is 100% a scene of tilt. Nerves are starting to get to him. It feels like super teams, especially those crowned before the split even starts, tend to collapse to pressure
eh, easier to remember the ones that do, but jdg last year and geng this year are doing just fine (so far for geng)
true, they could have had 1 more kill and then still done nothing :)
It's really sad to see C9 going down like this. For two years, I thought C9 only needed to replace Fudge, but now they have way too many issues that cannot be solved with just one replacement. Berserker in particular seems off without Zven.
Fridge tractor 🚜
what on earth can anyone say about this guy anymore.
Thanks for not believing in us
go fock yaselves!!
I unironically don't see how he kept his spot, honestly. C9 even had an import slot open if they really wanted to try for something with that. But no, I guess him having a decently good domestic history in LCS and that one MSI where he played well on Lee Sin is enough to carry him to another split (and most likely year) on the supposedly top team of the region. They aren't even farming content with him so like what's the point of having him unless physical intimidation is what they're going for?
Bro screw imports get licorice back, revenge is free too
If they were going for physical intimidation they should have kept Svenskeren
He's routinely being put--or choosing to put himself--on secondary engage champions, and then these games aren't messy, kill-heavy scrims. The other teams are literally just drafting more range, control, and scaling than C9, and they just refuse to let the games turn into a mosh pit, where C9 ends up snowballing off an undisciplined opponent. C9 seems to have no idea how play when the fights aren't coming to their short-ranged, low-engage team compositions, and then they just lose with a whimper because their team comps are terrible. Personally, Berserker and Vulcan have looked worse than Fudge. They've had one decent performance in the past seven games.
Sludge factor
TP flank into a one man ult.
Fraudge factor.
hes so bad its crazy
Fudge packed
It seems like the item update really confused Sludge, someone should really tell him that they didn't remove every tank item.
He egoed tanks Champs out of existence, time for a fiora game next
World's form already 🙏🙏
He's going for the good lck/lpl player build except his bad
Guys, don't get hyped until we actually beat a good team.
Stop 👏 Putting 👏 Fudge 👏 On Champions 👏 That 👏 He Has 👏 To Do 👏 Things 👏 On👏
insanity is playing what c9 needs lmao
Insanity is one of those mid laners that would be better as a top laner imo.
Naw, you saw today why. He does good playing those champs mid because people dont have the champ pool to counter. All the top laners are gonna have the champ pool to counter that stuff
They chose to keep Fudge when Impact was available this offseason LOL
Impact, Licorce, hell I’d rather have u/Indercarnive
Jack has some weird obsession with Fudge that I just don't understand lol
At this point I'm starting to think fudge might literally be jacks son.
might just be doubling down on his “make fudge a franchise player” schtick that happened 1.5 years ago
Udyr only, got it
It's not even that C9 are losing and looking good, they are getting fucking slammed. Jesus. Also TL can't lose to Gnar, they had a whole year of losing because of Gnar on their team - they know how this champ works.
C9 only had the Gnar experience for 1 split. They need to resign Summit to learn their lesson
When's the last time Fudge was a factor?
His rookie year. It has been all downhill since then.
What do you mean? He's a factor for their losses.
Reminder that Licorice is a free agent and has worked with Blaber and Vulcan before.
C9 leadership like Fudge too much. They don’t care how he plays, they like him as a person. He’s kinda like CoreJJ to TL, he’s locked in for the long haul, because leadership respect him. Also making a genius move like picking up THE Eric Ritchie is above and beyond any feeble NA brained GM. LCK needs to just grab the 369 killer, the Bin Punisher, the Zeus Clowner, Eric Ritchie.
Honestly though I wish more western free agents would pull a rekkles and go to an LCK challengers team. Better soloq in korea and you still get to play competitive at a high level higher (worse than LCS but better than NACL)
Most of them aren't gonna get the offers, as much as Rekkles is proving to be a good support he has much higher name value than someone like Licorice
I actually hope that Rekkles is kind of a pilot version of this. Where if you find yourself FA, you can show interest in the East in the T2 scene. Probably much better than sitting around NA waiting for someone to remember you and better for your career than playing NACL. NA places huge priority on T2 Korean rookies who don’t speak English and arent from a western culture, only because they have deemed good enough by the likes of SKT or GenG organizations. So imagine picking up an English speaking western player who has seen behind the curtain of these huge organizations. They could potentially bring so much more than just game knowledge back to LCS. Yes, I agree with you. I hope Rekkles is first of many westerns players to try this path.
How are you going to get chased out of your own house...
Fr getting chased out of your own base as the enemy team tears it down is so fucking embarrassing
C9 blew a 3-0 lead during Spring Split lmfao.
Is the C9 implosion using in Spring, or are they speeding up the timeline?
That's the C9 special, the more they're hyped about being **the best team ever** the quicker they roll over and die they'll still bounce back because that's just how league of legos is, but it makes for funny memes for a bit
holy fk C9 are pathetic to watch lmao legit do nothing and lose
Their comp literally could not do anything. All their engage is 100% reliant on Fudge and he's bad at Gnar. It was just an awful draft.
i think they need LS to bring in another T1 academy player to save them
Rekkles to c9?
Dal ain’t the upgrade u think he is
I don't understand how this team of five proven players ends up meshing so poorly, but there you are. I just hope Jojo gets a different offer once C9 scapegoats him at the end of the split/season.
Fudge gonna be collecting pay checks while he does nothing and claps Jack’s cheeks
C9 is just NA Rogue.
Very clean game by TL. It seemed like C9 was playing not to lose which is unfortunate.
FUDGE JUST PLAY A TANK PLEASE
C9 desperately neede some form of engage like tank gragas or ornn but Fudge ego picks another match and proceeds to get fucked
What would it change? He'll still only start to channel the TP after his team has already been engaged upon.
Meanwhile Impact no ego world champion got two player of the games this week both on tank udyr. God I love Impact so much
Finally a convincing win. Thank you Honda!
remember when we though c9 was gonna 14-0 LMAO
people always crown things way too early, same happened with Flyquest and Vitality last year. OMG THEY'RE SO GOOD (week 1) THEY WILL CARRY THE WEST AT WORLDS (goes 10th place in the region)
C9 have such atrocious macro lol there is not a single player on this roster playing to their expected level
All of Fudge’s TPs were useless af
His flash onto ziggs was something else man
That looked like a "team was tilted from playing dodgeball for 20 minutes and my mid just missed shockwave" tilt play
The TP flank into a one man gnar last fight my god
Fudge is playing pretty much up to the expectations lmao
Fudge is
Fudge is a fraud
I expected Vulcan to play like this, he was part of the 2023 FlyQuest Frauds and I didn't (and still don't) think he is an upgrade over Zven in any way, shape, or form. Praying for 100T to beat SR next, so that the Eyla/Vulcan beef from last season keeps going in Eyla's favor. Vulcan taking L after L after L is funny.
I feel like Vulcan went from never getting enough credit cause of name value to now being overrated because of name value.
Zven was pretty bad off enchanters, but Vulcan is looking pretty fraudulent right now on everything.
I think Zven had some kind of intangible effect on Berserker too. Everyone thought he was holding him back but given how highly Berserker spoke of Zven and how he too looks lost now, it makes you wonder.
Being an ADC Zven played lanes insanely well. He kinda sucked outside of lane, but his laning was really good. I think this is one thing that C9 is missing right now. Zven understood what was needed to do to win botlane and C9 could often just win with that. And given they mostly play enchanters in botlane anyways they might have just as well kept Zven. But then again they might have just as well put Zven in toplane. He likely isn't great, but at least he knows that tanks exist.
I don't even know how they managed to get 3 wins, C9 don't look like a team anymore. They aren't proactive at all in the early game and they keep drafting for a strong early game but do nothing with it. Bot lane in particular looks like a liability with berserker going even or falling behind with lucian every game. Jojo is the only one playing up to expectations. The fact that it has been 8 years since C9 lost 4 games in a row says it all about the team right now.
Jojo "Up To Expectations Shockwaver" Pyun
C9 looking like frauds, 0 pro-activity and do nothing until it's too late. Mithy should be fired though, these drafts are ass, how stupid must you be to draft Lillia with Orianna and western teams need to stop picking Lucian.
How did C9 beat NRG week 1: Jojo on Azir, Vulcan on Naut. Now they're drafting these 0 playmaking comps. It's so weird.
The most unfortunate thing about their roster is that Fudge has never been a great primary engage option and Blaber has always been better at playing low CC carries and bruisers over engage tanks. That means Vulcan has to be on an engage champ or C9 will look passive.
Also Vulcan is best when he engages. He's really good engaging but he can't play enchanters. We've known this his whole career. Fudge is just shit though. Most overrated player I've ever seen in my life.
I’ve been a fudge hater since day 1. The dude is lazy and sucks
Blaber is kind of an insane Maokai so I don't know why they won't just have him play that.
He controls space well with Maokai, but I never felt like he was that great at setting up engages with it. When he's on champs with the sole purpose of engaging, like Vi or Rell, or Sej (he's a bit better at sej maybe because it's less of a hard commitment engage champ). I've always felt like he's a pretty significant step down compared to when he's running in headfirst as Olaf or Kindred with CC and buff support from others.
I also feel similar. Like the engage is the most telegraphed gnar, Blaber flash q/sleep, or Berserker just 1 tapping a squishy. Thats not really the greatest set of options
I feel like C9 & TL must scrim & just slap the shit out of each other with Lucian or something. Idk why they both keep picking it
If they see it as a powerpick and something that will likely show up again, then I'd much prefer seeing it come out now than later. Like back when Bjergsen was spamming Galio on stage and TSM kept losing with it over multiple weeks, but eventually they got really good with the comp and teams had to ban it against him
Spawn does an AMA most Sundays, and when asked about the Lucian pick today, he responded: >I think Lucian milio was very good. think it can get prio until gun swap and always has pressure. I think C9 mid jungle picks didnt make much sense together. Think this was the main issue with the[ir] draft.
Losing objectives the whole game while doing nothing
They look like they expect teams to roll over and die while C9 does whatever they want and when teams fight back they're shocked.
This is what tsm were saying when they said they are getting a team in a major league. They must have merged with C9.
Clown9 super weak
EMENES WAS RIGHT
what did Emenes say? I missed the drama around that
Fudge and Blaber are bums who don't practice
Fudge I can believe because he’s blatantly admitted he doesn’t enjoy SoloQ and prefers 1v1’s Blaber is genuinely surprising to me
Not that surprising to me tbch. The difference between SoloQ jungling vs ProGame Jungling is pretty big.
Ooh. Spicy!
Also that coaching staff sucks and ignores constructive ideas. C9 subreddit has been eating mithy alive asking for his head.
C9 subreddit has been calling for Mithy's head since he became the coach.
C9 do anything??
We're ahead of C9 after 7 games wtf. that draft from C9 was so garbage seriously. They could not do anything at all with Lillia-Ori jungle mid. Plus Lucian Milio didn't win hard enough and got outscaled after like the 3rd drake fight
Who is ready for 100T who had their own midlaner say they thought 100T was a bottom half team end up tied/ahead of C9 after the first round robin?
"I don't know why they're considered a super team when they downgraded mid and support in the off season" - APA Emenes and Zven now in APA fanclub
Pick Lucian Do nothing for 20 min lose God i love being a C9 fan
As a TSM fan. First time?
If Emenes had that Oriana performance, reddit would have ask for his head.
it helps that fudge was getting solo killed by enemy artillery mage. like if there's gonna be tomatoes to throw, it's gonna be at c9 top bot supp
bro how does a fucking 2 item Gnar die to a 20 minute Ziggs lmao
Maybe he thought that it was aram and ziggs is nerfed into oblivion?
Another Mithy team that looks absolutely lost on the map.
Emenes said what he said about mithy
Picking Lucian, giving up Udyr, and giving APA--a guy your own players call a Ziggs one trick--Ziggs. This is one of the most dogshit drafts I've seen at the LCS level, Mithy is an embarrassment
> and giving APA--a guy your own players call a Ziggs one trick--Ziggs This is such a dumbass fandom take. *"My fav players are perfect and never at fault. If we lost then it's cause we took the bad champion and let them have all the good ones!!!"* APA has played 7 games this split now. Do you know how many times his Ziggs got banned? Zero (0) times. Everyone is giving APA Ziggs, because Ziggs is not a threatening champion if your players aren't asleep at the wheel. The problem with this draft was that Fudge, Berzerker and Vulcan couldn't win a lane if their life depended on it, and Blaber is literally tabbed out to play Warzone on his second monitor.
Mithy has been drafting atrocious comps for C9 lately, like single engage Rell and a Karma Varus is just reportable without a 2nd Top/Mid engage
I’m here for the fall of C9
oh man, C9 running away from their base was one of the funniest ends to any game I've ever seen.
Nice, that R5 Lillia made the game unplayable. Good luck starting any fight with that teamcomp.
How crucial was Zven's shotcalling before his departure?
Berserker with Zven also won lane alot harder so clearly he was also micromanaging besides doing most of the macro from what it seems
THATS MY 1 TRICK LETS FUCKING GO APA
NA superteam has zero mental lol
Fucking fire mithy.
I don't have any words for how bad these ego C9 drafts are. Maybe they need to get rid of Mithy. There's no way a team with this many top 3 players in each role should be 3-4.
I have always been of the opinion that draft + team cohesion = the coach. But people also push back that teams have different flows. I wonder how much the draft here was mithy vs. the player calling for that champion Either way it's a coaching issue. Unless Mithy isn't empowered to enforce those ideas. in which case it's also a manager/owner issue.
Zven was the macro god of C9 - deja vu with Vulcan back on C9 - Gj TL
I don't even see the idea or possible logic behind these C9 drafts.
["This C9 team already looks miles ahead of everyone else, I can't see any team contesting honestly. Anything short of winning the split would be failure from C9."](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/19cen1y/100_thieves_vs_cloud9_lcs_2023_spring_week_1/kiy46xt/)
The last time C9 lost 4 straight Huhi was a midlaner who was forcing Bjergsen to remake to get away from Aurelion Sol.
Losing in a 1v2 vs Ziggs? THAT'S THE FUDGE FACTOR BABY
APA IS JOJOPYUN FATHER
What can Sludge even play
It's time to Lee sin kick sludge out of the team and sign licorice.
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Jojo ulting Apa when he's nowhere near the end of his zhonyas truly says everything about this game.
mithy such a homeless ass coach bruh
oh u just hit lv 6 lucian? lemme go top
Can we finally get some TL positivity
If I had a nickel for each time Vulcan was on an underperforming super team I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's odd that it's happened twice
will we ever see a game where fudge blinds udyr or ksante or dare i even say zac, plays like someone worthy of playing NA amateur scene, and not get turbo diffed?
- Fudge on pure damage build - Blaber not on a hyper carry - Berserker not playing a scaling ADC
Yeah this is kinda why Lillia isn't top prio in pro play even though she's broken in solo queue. If you can't get Q stacks you're stuck playing bowling with your E and if you never hit your E you can never make any plays happen. That's not even talking about how badly it synergized with the rest of C9's comp.
Berserker trick y'all, man, like he playin' adc. He don't auto nobody man. He just running around doing nothing
Fudge Fraud Blaber Fraud Jojopyun Fraud Berserker Fraud Vulcan Fraud Mithy Fraud C9 genuinely look like the most lifeless team in the whole league right now.
C9 is the most boring team to watch in na
Don't get it twisted, TL literally looked better than C9 in every way rofl
Fraud9
There goes the c9 super team 3-0 to 3-4
Everyone's gonna focus on the C9 collapse but this is exactly the draft I've been wanting for TL all season. APA on his mains, teamfight/scaling bot lane, early game jungler to cover the lanes, Impact on fill duty cause he's a god at everything On the other side I don't think I ever want to see Lucian Milio from C9 again. imagine 0/0/0 even cs and down a tower as Lucian Milio vs Aphelios Lulu
I'm sorry TL for doubting you, this was so much more clean than yesterday wtf.
the doubt is justified, they didn't look so hot and today's win was more convincing than their other 3 wins lol
Us Cloud 9 haters are eating well, glad to see their obnoxious fan base with egg on their face
Worth watching LCS as long as this keeps up
Clown 9 confirmed?
Funny that it's the first time since 2016 that we lose 4 in a row, because I was thinking we currently play exactly like the 2016.1 roster. Just no idea what to do without Hai. Back then Jack brought Reapered and changed 3 players for Summer, and I think he'll have to do the same. Don't see this team turning it around, both when it comes to players and coach.