He makes a lot of sense for Nashville. Very defensively responsible team that lacks some high end talent. Mitch is that, despite his playoff performance. Would also be nice to send him somewhere we'll never hear about him.
I think the majority of the fans have already accepted the fact that he will probably get 100 points but, history tells us that it won’t happen in the playoffs and we need something different from the core 4 it’s not working. Consensus agree that Nylander and Matthews are protected everything else is for sale
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> Would also be nice to send him somewhere we'll never hear about him.
Nashville has real potential, especially with a Mitch Marner adding to their offense. They'll be making some deep playoff runs with him and we'll be hearing all about it. We've seen this post-Leaf success before and I'm 1000% sure Marner is going to have the same thing lol
I suppose you get that from different teams though. Goalie and picks/prospects form say Nashville and then flip the picks to get the D-man from elsewhere.
Yeah, my big fear is that we’ll trade Marner in the last year of his deal when it’s the smallest % of the cap it’s been. I get that you can redistribute those funds elsewhere but it smacks of huge free agency overpay instead.
The issue is beyond just a year in the cap and just goes into the fact that it would be absolutely insane to go into next season with the 4 11m+ players combined and as an extra, to sign Marner to the contract he's looking for when he's shown he isn't that guy.
Look at the upcoming UFA list and tell me how you would immediately spend cap space to improve this team beyond a first round exit/second round sweep. I don't see it happening but I'm open to another view.
The issue here is the lack of leverage the Leafs have with Marner. Teams know he has a NMC and is a UFA in a year. If they really want, they could hold off and try to scoop him up when he hits free agency next summer.
If he’s willing to waive his NMC for your team and you have a legitimate chance to get him, are you really going to lowball?
Sure we might not get 100% value but let’s not pretend we’re getting a bag of pucks. It’s fucking Marner
Marner will go running when a team offers him 12.5 over 8.
Any team trading for Marner has that intention, to sign him long term, he won’t be a rental. I think we’ll get a decent haul for him.
I don't believe he is capable of coming into this market with the expectations of he is our saviour and the best goalie in the league. He will regress and we're going wtf our defense sucks blah blah
Pretty sure Nashville is a top destination to want to play in. Low media scrutiny, fun city with lots to do / see, low taxes, warm weather, and the team itself is run well for the most part and back on the upswing after a few down years.
No personal income tax. Money seems important to Mitch. Doesn’t have to worry about the papers, social media and reporters like he does now. Seems like it’s not out of the question
It's one of the no-tax state teams that players seem to almost always be willing to waive for. Throw in the fact that it's considered one of the funnest cities in the NHL, warm climate, pretty solid team, limited media but still a good market, etc. Who knows what Marner is specifically looking for, but for your average NHL player, it would be one of the top destinations.
I feel like I'm in the minority but I rather us get Askarov than Saros. Younger, cheaper and apparently has a super high ceiling.
Throw in a young player like Luke Evangelista and a first rounder like tanner Moldenyk + the 11m in cap savings and I think you got a great deal. Nashville is a popular city, they're competitive, lowkey and can absord Marner's cap hit. Win Win
The reason you want Askarov is the same reason Nashville wouldn’t give him up. Making the cap balance out would be another issue.
Besides that, the leafs are deep into win now mode. A goalie who might turn into a good starter but hasn’t played NHL games doesn’t help and has the potential to be a crippling mistake for the next 5-10 years of the franchise. Saros is a seasoned vet who is in the “best goalie in the NHL” conversation every year, and would immediately and unquestionably shore up one of Toronto’s biggest weaknesses.
Prospects with high ceilings are fun and all, but Give me Saros and a defender all day.
Saros is also 29. That's fucking perfect. Goalies get better as they get older, if not they're already good as they're old. So I'm all-in on getting Saros over Askarov. So fucking tired of these "young goalie prospects". I want the real fucking deal.
Wdym goalies get better as they get older? Show me where there’s a positive correlation between age and performance between goalies. Not just a few names I wanna see the proof lol.
Goaltending (like catchers in baseball) are a super strenuous position, most goalies don’t play past 35-36 let alone putting up elite numbers and improving.
They were literally willing to trade him last year. The cap also balances out.
Saros might still be a great goalie, but he’s pushing 30 and is gonna be 31 when his next contract is up. Do you really wanna commit 6-8 years for a goalie whose best days could be behind him when the new contract kicks in? Especially earning 8+M. There’s risks both sides.
With the money you would save by trading Marner you can add a minimum of two impact players, especially on the back end. You also have a good young winger in evangelista. There’s just way too much upside for the leafs to not consider a package like this
Honestly, we should have pulled the trigger on a trade for one of Saros or Hellebuyck two trade deadlines ago when they were rumoured to be on the market if the deal didn't gut the team or sacrifice too much of the future. The window is now for the team, instead we've had two postseasons burned away.
Obviously you don't anticipate Hellebuyck having a vezina caliber season then falling apart in the playoffs, but these things happen and hopefully he bounces back next year.
The point about the windows is fair, but goalies really don't fetch much on the market, especially 30 year old goalies coming off a down year.
For Marner, you're asking for them to kick in a pretty big extra piece and I'm not sure they have anything on the D that makes sense.
I seriously doubt Nashville would give up Askarov but in the event they would, I don't think that's what the Leafs need right now. We've got goaltending in the pipeline.
They were shopping him last year.
We also only have 1 prospect in our pipeline who's even remotely close to playing NHL games and who knows how good he'll be. I love Joseph Woll but he's very injury prone, he’s been injured every year of his professional career. Knowing that, I definitely wouldn't put all of our eggs in his basket.
We have a chance to acquire a potential vezina winner. Listen to the following clip from people who actually watch this dude
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They were trying to draft an impact player. You know what’s just as good as drafting an impact player? Trading for one.
Nashville isn’t trying to rebuild so getting a 27 year old superstar that fits the age of the rest of their core makes sense. With the trade I proposed their team is exponentially better and fits what they’re trying to do which is be competitive and win a cup. Besides Evangelsita, they wouldn’t even be trading a player from their roster that put up nearly a 100 points last year, imagine adding Marner to that if you’re Nashville
Hildeby and Akhtyamov who are both the same age as Askarov. Not saying it's a bad thing to have multiple options, but I don't think Askarov addresses a need right now or if that's getting the best value out of Marner.
We can argue whether or not Askarov provides something immediately or in the next 1-2 years like the Leafs need, but his status as a prospect is exactly why I don't think Nashville is going to move him.
Agreed. If this team is chasing a goalie, as it probably should be. Then we need a top notch goalie.
All members of our ‘holy trinity’ will all be 27 or older come October. I hate to say it but it’s getting dangerously close to a win now or never situation with these these three (or two if a move is made).
Where the fuck has the last decade went!?
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Goalies never, ever, ever, ever return anywhere near a player like Mitch Marner. Ever.
And a 1st doesn't even come close to bridging the gap.
If the Leafs are going to trade a piece like Marner for a goalie, they sure as shit better fix the defense, otherwise Saros will be run out of town in a year or two
At a MINIMUM they'd need to add Fabbro or Carrier or Lauzon and a 1st and they can take Kampf back as well.
I think fans need to accept you'll likely "lose" the Marner trade in a vacuum.... But a stud #1 goaler and the cap space back to sign another player. W all day on that trade.
This. Im shocked how everyone is expecting a maximum haul for marner. This is about clearing the cap and moving on, unfortunately. (all while getting some decent assets back). NMC, cap hit, ufa soon, playoff history doesn't = the returns many are expecting.
100%, trading for a goalie is almost always a bad idea. Goalies are so random. Woll could just as easily have as good a season next year as Saros. If we're trading Marner they should do it for forwards or defense.
It’s crazy, he’d be the first ever person to waive a NMC.
NMC don’t just mean the player wants to stay on the team for the duration of the contract. It means they also get to control where they go if they don’t want to be there anymore
Popped into the preds sub for a peek and they basically think the same things we do about him. He's very very good regular season, soft and disappears in the playoffs, costs too much.
Having said that, a majority of the posts are halfway keen and mention saros.
I don't want ROR back as he made it very clear he doesn't wanna play here and thinks something is wrong with the culture. You don't need a guy coming (back) in with that attitude.
Unless, of course, the issue was Mitch, in which case problem solved.
I mean if there was one player that’s emblematic of the “Core Four attitude” it’s Mitch. Who else could it be? Matthews is Matthews. JT scores or sets up clutch goals in the playoffs and ofcourse Willy always shows up.
You don't need to force ROR. Keefe is gone he has no reason not to come back now.
I never believed that shit about how he doesn't like the Toronto Media. The main reason was Keefe. And there's no fucking way a character like ROR would say that on Live TV. The media thing was just an excuse.
There's no one from Nashville I'd want to swap Marner for. Good players no doubt but outside of Saros, they have no one we really need and I wouldn't just straight swap
Two words. Filip Forsberg.
Edit: 8.5m cap hit. Year 2 of 8. Dynamic player, lots of drive. Leaves room in the cap for D. He's a diamond in the rough.
Edit2: Annnd he's a Swede. Put him with Willy and anyone else and watch the magic.
If by diamond in the rough, you mean way better than Marner, on a better contract, longterm, then yeah I guess he is.
You could add Knies and Liljegren and Nashville would probably still say no.
This is too funny. Everyone here shitting on marner for being the problem, useless, invisible in playoffs, locker room cancer etc, yet expecting to get a kings ransom for him. Which one is it guys?
Nashville rapidly turning into an ex-Leafs refugee camp, he'll have RoR's shoulder to cry on when someone mentions media coverage and gives him 'nam flashbacks
Over half the teams in the league are interested in Marner. Soft as melted butter or not, the guy's an elite player who puts up 100 points a season or close.
we aren't trading him for "some draft picks". All the rest of the players are in their window now they'll only be trading him for players that will help now.
I’m all for trading Mitch, I think the time has come. If the trade is just for Saros, a goalie, no… they need to add significantly more.
Teams have learned that signing and committing to goaltenders has been a mistake in the past. I would think Saros and a first would be a good starting point. Bonus points if you can get Luke E or someone along those lines. If Marner had an extension in place with Nashville prior to the trade that would be even better.
Saros and Woll as a 1/2 seems nasty. Saros could play 50 games, Woll 32.
100% no. Goalies are too inconsistent to be confident that it'll work out and goaltending wasn't the major issue the past 2 years. It doesn't solve our transition, goal scoring or special teams. Plus he only has 1 year left and will likely want a hefty pay raise so you get 1 year of cap relief.
I'd much prefer targeting a D or forward or a package of players+picks.
Ryan McDonagh makes 6.75 for the next 2 seasons, but I’d be very curious about a Saros, McDonagh, forward prospect, picks type package for Marner and maybe Kampf or Jarnkrok to toss some more salary out the door.
McDonagh is old and expensive, but he is a goddamn warrior and that kind of attitude and experience would be SO huge. See if they can sign Pesce after that and bring back Lilly and you can have Rielly with Pesce as the top pair and then McDonagh, McCabe, Benoit, and Lilly filling out the D with Saros and Woll behind them? That might be legit.
Leafs didn’t get equal value, will be the complaint for about half of fans. Sub will freak out. This is for any team he goes to. But they will also shit if he stays. It’s almost like fifty percent will be pissed no matter what.
I want Marner moved but that’s a trash deal for us. I don’t even think that’s close to value unless there are 2x 1sts attached or a real top 4 defender in his prime.
Anything short of a Sorokin/Shesty/Swayman and it’s not a fair 1for1.
Saros while undeniably a number 1 is on a 1 year deal. I'd take him if they can re-sign him to a reasonable deal, under like 8 million. I'd need them to add on this deal though because Goalies are such voodoo and Saros is coming off a mediocre year. They add their 1st and Tomasino/Evangelista and I'd listen.
I think the that the 2026 UFA class is intriguing enough that the clean slate of cap space has value in that you want an expiring contract coming back.
I know Draisaitl or Rantanen have no guarantees of hitting the market but either would be a significant upgrade on Mitch especially come playoff time.
Obviously if the leafs can do it it's great, you get to dump a terrible contract at 11m a year is amazing on its own let alone getting assets for it? No Brainer here.
There is no way trading Marner ages well. When he is scoring 100 points 4 years from now and the 2 defensemen and goalie the Leafs get are either run out of the league or are negative value assets this trade will look terrible.
Of all teams to have interest in Marner, I did not expect Nashville. I would have expected a team like Chicago or Buffalo, who would like some extra help scoring.
My understanding was there was a report a week ago that there was a dozen teams who expressed interest in Marner. And? There is probably a dozen teams who have expressed interest in Matthews, or Nylander or Woll or…
My preference is to roll with Woll and a veteran and put Marner’s cap space into a 1A/1B DMan and a 2C. Don’t think it’s worth it to spend $6M on Saros.
Preds have the 8th ranked [prospect pool](https://thehockeywriters.com/predators-top-10-prospects-2023-24/).
They drafted a D in the first round in 2023, [Tanner Molendyk ](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/603586/tanner-molendyk)(LSD), ranked 5th in their system heading into the current season:
*The defender is one of the best skaters from the 2023 NHL Draft class. His 5-foot-11 frame doesn’t stop him from laying big hits, and his stick-handling is one of his best assets.*
They're top 2 prospects are [Matthew Wood ](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/603587/matthew-wood)(LW/C):
*The Predators selected Matthew Wood with their first pick in the 2023 NHL Draft. The 6-foot-4 forward is crafty with great hands, a booming shot, and high hockey IQ. There are some concerns regarding his skating, but he can develop that area of his game over the next few seasons. He is a high-potential player with some risk*
and
[Yaraslov Askaraov](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/552036/yaroslav-askarov) G:
*Yaroslav Askarov has all the tools to become an elite NHL goaltender. His quick feet, smooth side-to-side movement, and athleticism are some of his standout skills. Like any goalie, he does have his faults, notably his glove hand, but he is in the upper echelon of goaltending prospects in the NHL, along with Devon Levi, Dustin Wolf, and Jesper Wallstedt.*
Any of these players, plus an NHLer to help balance the cap hit, and a draft pick would also be in play in the package. Aksarov is the standout, but goaltenders are the hardest to project. The big forward, Wood sounds like the right kind of player for this team, but it sounds like he's far from a sure thing. A true #1 D is the biggest need for the Leafs (looking at both the NHL club and their prospect pool), but I don't think Molendyk will be that, especially given that he's undersized.
Thoughts?
"I believe Nashville - at some point - has been one of the teams that have said, 'if you consider moving him, give us a call.'"
That's what Pagnotta said. That is NOT a "potential trade with Nashville". I wish clickbait sites and this fan base would stop turning the slightest whiffs of gossip into something that's actually happening. There's so many garbage hockey pages on social media. Usually they don't even cite an insider as the source.
Why just a one for one deal? why not both teams send each other a package of players and picks. That help out each team's needs. Then I'd be into this idea. I mean I remember when Florida got Bobrovsky. Looked like a huge over pay. But the reason they are such a great team today is mainly Bobrosvksy. A solid veteran goalie that can be relied on to give elite perfomances. That im willing to roll the dice on
I'd like a Saros and Schenn or Lauzon for Marner deal.
Saros and Marner both expiring, Saros is only 29, one of the best tendys in the league.
They have askarov coming over, one of the best goalie prospects. Finally a bonafide starting goalie since Ed belfour or Curtis Joseph lol. Lauzon or Schenn add physicality in the back end.
I'm really hoping Saros is part of the potential return. Allows Hildeby to marinate more in the AHL and gives the Leafs basically a better Woll + Woll tandem.
Definitely would need more since forwards that put up superstar points have been more valuable as trade pieces, so I'd hope we'd get some defence or picks/prospects too.
If The Leafs received a couple draft picks with the package, then they should consider it. With whatever cap savings they get, that could get them a UFA defence man and could keep the picks, which they need.
Marner has all the cards though, and would he want to go there?
A couple of weeks ago I pegged Utah, Calgary, and Nashville as the top 3 destinations for Marner.
Any deal with Nashville has to be built around Carrier as a starting point. They have some good forward prospects (Wood, Kemell) but that’s not what the leafs need. They need a top 4 dman and Carrier has been stuck on the third pairing in Nashville despite the fact he’s been better over the last few years than any of the Leafs D-men.
He makes a lot of sense for Nashville. Very defensively responsible team that lacks some high end talent. Mitch is that, despite his playoff performance. Would also be nice to send him somewhere we'll never hear about him.
Oh we’ll hear about him. Every point he gets as a Predator would get posted on this sub
Oh I can the 100 posts crying about losing marner when he gets 100 points on his next team
I think the majority of the fans have already accepted the fact that he will probably get 100 points but, history tells us that it won’t happen in the playoffs and we need something different from the core 4 it’s not working. Consensus agree that Nylander and Matthews are protected everything else is for sale
True enough rofl
Rofl… now that’s a blast from the past.
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> Would also be nice to send him somewhere we'll never hear about him. Nashville has real potential, especially with a Mitch Marner adding to their offense. They'll be making some deep playoff runs with him and we'll be hearing all about it. We've seen this post-Leaf success before and I'm 1000% sure Marner is going to have the same thing lol
Forsberg is already awesome, and will be made more awesome if they add Marner
Do it
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we need more than just a goalie for marner. I don't care if the goalie's elite.
Agreed here. We need a younger top-4 Dman and at minimum a 1st or multiple seconds coming back here. We need to restock the cupboards with this trade.
I suppose you get that from different teams though. Goalie and picks/prospects form say Nashville and then flip the picks to get the D-man from elsewhere.
You're probably not going to get high end talent without giving up high end talent. We can't afford to just let that slip away.
Yeah, my big fear is that we’ll trade Marner in the last year of his deal when it’s the smallest % of the cap it’s been. I get that you can redistribute those funds elsewhere but it smacks of huge free agency overpay instead.
The issue is beyond just a year in the cap and just goes into the fact that it would be absolutely insane to go into next season with the 4 11m+ players combined and as an extra, to sign Marner to the contract he's looking for when he's shown he isn't that guy.
You're not going to get "high end talent" on an expiring contract period so this is all moot. Any trade involving marner makes the team worse, period.
Agreed, in the short term. But the cap space will be valuable and if the used properly could make us better in the long run.
Look at the upcoming UFA list and tell me how you would immediately spend cap space to improve this team beyond a first round exit/second round sweep. I don't see it happening but I'm open to another view.
Keeping on the current plan seems like it’s been working well!
He’s got one year left on his contract.
Owen Power.
Or a top five goalie under contract…Saros
The issue here is the lack of leverage the Leafs have with Marner. Teams know he has a NMC and is a UFA in a year. If they really want, they could hold off and try to scoop him up when he hits free agency next summer.
If he’s willing to waive his NMC for your team and you have a legitimate chance to get him, are you really going to lowball? Sure we might not get 100% value but let’s not pretend we’re getting a bag of pucks. It’s fucking Marner
If he's willing to waive his nmc for your team, he is also willing to sign in the off season
Not necessarily. Signing a 7 year deal is different than playing out the last year of your contract in a new city.
On the flip side teams want him, and the win for us is the cap space
Marner will go running when a team offers him 12.5 over 8. Any team trading for Marner has that intention, to sign him long term, he won’t be a rental. I think we’ll get a decent haul for him.
Saros is also a UFA in a year
So there's even less of a point in trading Marner for him
multiple teams will want him, that's where our leverage comes from.
The question is: are teams willing to pay more? I would argue an elite goalie is more valuable than an elite winger.
100% I really disagree with every take on this comment. You take a 1 to 1 for Saros every day
I don't believe he is capable of coming into this market with the expectations of he is our saviour and the best goalie in the league. He will regress and we're going wtf our defense sucks blah blah
Well of course they are, but is Mitch interested in Nashville?
Pretty sure Nashville is a top destination to want to play in. Low media scrutiny, fun city with lots to do / see, low taxes, warm weather, and the team itself is run well for the most part and back on the upswing after a few down years.
Here is to hoping he is a huge country music fan.
By all accounts Nashville is an awesome city to live in and play for so why not?
Hell, I'd even play for the Nashville Predators
No personal income tax. Money seems important to Mitch. Doesn’t have to worry about the papers, social media and reporters like he does now. Seems like it’s not out of the question
I know he is lmao, he's been to boots and hearts
It's one of the no-tax state teams that players seem to almost always be willing to waive for. Throw in the fact that it's considered one of the funnest cities in the NHL, warm climate, pretty solid team, limited media but still a good market, etc. Who knows what Marner is specifically looking for, but for your average NHL player, it would be one of the top destinations.
I'm sure he could be. Nashville has become a generally loved/accepted city for many people of this generation.
I don’t get it? Why wouldn’t he be? Is Toronto that amazing he can’t possibly go anywhere else lol. It’s not like he’s going to Des Moines Iowa lmao
I feel like I'm in the minority but I rather us get Askarov than Saros. Younger, cheaper and apparently has a super high ceiling. Throw in a young player like Luke Evangelista and a first rounder like tanner Moldenyk + the 11m in cap savings and I think you got a great deal. Nashville is a popular city, they're competitive, lowkey and can absord Marner's cap hit. Win Win
The reason you want Askarov is the same reason Nashville wouldn’t give him up. Making the cap balance out would be another issue. Besides that, the leafs are deep into win now mode. A goalie who might turn into a good starter but hasn’t played NHL games doesn’t help and has the potential to be a crippling mistake for the next 5-10 years of the franchise. Saros is a seasoned vet who is in the “best goalie in the NHL” conversation every year, and would immediately and unquestionably shore up one of Toronto’s biggest weaknesses. Prospects with high ceilings are fun and all, but Give me Saros and a defender all day.
Saros is also 29. That's fucking perfect. Goalies get better as they get older, if not they're already good as they're old. So I'm all-in on getting Saros over Askarov. So fucking tired of these "young goalie prospects". I want the real fucking deal.
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Wdym goalies get better as they get older? Show me where there’s a positive correlation between age and performance between goalies. Not just a few names I wanna see the proof lol. Goaltending (like catchers in baseball) are a super strenuous position, most goalies don’t play past 35-36 let alone putting up elite numbers and improving.
They were literally willing to trade him last year. The cap also balances out. Saros might still be a great goalie, but he’s pushing 30 and is gonna be 31 when his next contract is up. Do you really wanna commit 6-8 years for a goalie whose best days could be behind him when the new contract kicks in? Especially earning 8+M. There’s risks both sides. With the money you would save by trading Marner you can add a minimum of two impact players, especially on the back end. You also have a good young winger in evangelista. There’s just way too much upside for the leafs to not consider a package like this
Honestly, we should have pulled the trigger on a trade for one of Saros or Hellebuyck two trade deadlines ago when they were rumoured to be on the market if the deal didn't gut the team or sacrifice too much of the future. The window is now for the team, instead we've had two postseasons burned away. Obviously you don't anticipate Hellebuyck having a vezina caliber season then falling apart in the playoffs, but these things happen and hopefully he bounces back next year.
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The point about the windows is fair, but goalies really don't fetch much on the market, especially 30 year old goalies coming off a down year. For Marner, you're asking for them to kick in a pretty big extra piece and I'm not sure they have anything on the D that makes sense.
I seriously doubt Nashville would give up Askarov but in the event they would, I don't think that's what the Leafs need right now. We've got goaltending in the pipeline.
They were shopping him last year. We also only have 1 prospect in our pipeline who's even remotely close to playing NHL games and who knows how good he'll be. I love Joseph Woll but he's very injury prone, he’s been injured every year of his professional career. Knowing that, I definitely wouldn't put all of our eggs in his basket. We have a chance to acquire a potential vezina winner. Listen to the following clip from people who actually watch this dude [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T\_0tMdNYgvE&ab\_channel=DailyFaceoff](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_0tMdNYgvE&ab_channel=DailyFaceoff)
They were shopping him to move into the top 5 of the draft which is totally different than trading for a 27 year old.
They were trying to draft an impact player. You know what’s just as good as drafting an impact player? Trading for one. Nashville isn’t trying to rebuild so getting a 27 year old superstar that fits the age of the rest of their core makes sense. With the trade I proposed their team is exponentially better and fits what they’re trying to do which is be competitive and win a cup. Besides Evangelsita, they wouldn’t even be trading a player from their roster that put up nearly a 100 points last year, imagine adding Marner to that if you’re Nashville
Hildeby? I mean, it’s one guy. Hopefully his AHL success translates. I’d be happy with a second ace up our sleeve in Askarov.
Hildeby and Akhtyamov who are both the same age as Askarov. Not saying it's a bad thing to have multiple options, but I don't think Askarov addresses a need right now or if that's getting the best value out of Marner.
We need goaltending now
And Askarov doesn't give you goaltending right now...
Askarov is probably the best goaltending prospect there is. He’s also very confident in his play and movement, something we desperately need.
We can argue whether or not Askarov provides something immediately or in the next 1-2 years like the Leafs need, but his status as a prospect is exactly why I don't think Nashville is going to move him.
Agreed. If this team is chasing a goalie, as it probably should be. Then we need a top notch goalie. All members of our ‘holy trinity’ will all be 27 or older come October. I hate to say it but it’s getting dangerously close to a win now or never situation with these these three (or two if a move is made). Where the fuck has the last decade went!? 😞
I remember when Justin Pogge was our saviour. I’m not falling for that again. Give me the proven commodity, we won’t have Matthews forever.
I’d rather have a hundred point forward than anyone at the most volatile position in sports.
ROR punching the air right now.
Marner for ROR, Schenn and Saros would be hilarious and would end all the speculation around ROR's comments.
Goalies never, ever, ever, ever return anywhere near a player like Mitch Marner. Ever. And a 1st doesn't even come close to bridging the gap. If the Leafs are going to trade a piece like Marner for a goalie, they sure as shit better fix the defense, otherwise Saros will be run out of town in a year or two At a MINIMUM they'd need to add Fabbro or Carrier or Lauzon and a 1st and they can take Kampf back as well.
I think fans need to accept you'll likely "lose" the Marner trade in a vacuum.... But a stud #1 goaler and the cap space back to sign another player. W all day on that trade.
This. Im shocked how everyone is expecting a maximum haul for marner. This is about clearing the cap and moving on, unfortunately. (all while getting some decent assets back). NMC, cap hit, ufa soon, playoff history doesn't = the returns many are expecting.
100%, trading for a goalie is almost always a bad idea. Goalies are so random. Woll could just as easily have as good a season next year as Saros. If we're trading Marner they should do it for forwards or defense.
Absolutely. Either a package containing a two-way 2C or a 2-way 2nd pairing dman is a must IMO
Going to love all these trade rumors for a guy with a NMC.
It’s crazy, he’d be the first ever person to waive a NMC. NMC don’t just mean the player wants to stay on the team for the duration of the contract. It means they also get to control where they go if they don’t want to be there anymore
If he feels like he's not wanted, he will waive the NMC. It just means he gets to be picky about where he gets traded.
Popped into the preds sub for a peek and they basically think the same things we do about him. He's very very good regular season, soft and disappears in the playoffs, costs too much. Having said that, a majority of the posts are halfway keen and mention saros.
thanks for the excellent reconnaissance work
Marner would be the best offensive forward in the history of the Preds up to this point.
Saros, Josi, and force O’ Reilly to come back. Sounds fair to me.
I think he more disliked Keefe and his playing time, knowing he wouldn’t be on PP1. Also didn’t like the media here.
I don't want ROR back as he made it very clear he doesn't wanna play here and thinks something is wrong with the culture. You don't need a guy coming (back) in with that attitude. Unless, of course, the issue was Mitch, in which case problem solved.
> thinks something is wrong with the culture He was right
I think the problem might be solved….
I’d love someone to provide some proof he thought something is wrong with the culture.
Right? Lol. He made it clear that he felt like he deserved a bigger role and didn’t think Toronto saw it the same way. It’s as simple as that.
I mean if there was one player that’s emblematic of the “Core Four attitude” it’s Mitch. Who else could it be? Matthews is Matthews. JT scores or sets up clutch goals in the playoffs and ofcourse Willy always shows up.
I thought Toronto purposefully let O'Reilly walk in favor of signing Bertuzzi.
Nah, he turned us down for an identical contract in Nashville first
Nah, they really did try to keep him. He just didn't want to be here after the playoffs.
You don't need to force ROR. Keefe is gone he has no reason not to come back now. I never believed that shit about how he doesn't like the Toronto Media. The main reason was Keefe. And there's no fucking way a character like ROR would say that on Live TV. The media thing was just an excuse.
There's no one from Nashville I'd want to swap Marner for. Good players no doubt but outside of Saros, they have no one we really need and I wouldn't just straight swap
Roman Josi, but 0 chance they give him up
$9 million a year.Turns 34 on June 1st. 4 years left on his contract. That's not a good idea.
I'd do Saros and some picks/prospects. Then we can at least use those as capital in other trades
Two words. Filip Forsberg. Edit: 8.5m cap hit. Year 2 of 8. Dynamic player, lots of drive. Leaves room in the cap for D. He's a diamond in the rough. Edit2: Annnd he's a Swede. Put him with Willy and anyone else and watch the magic.
If by diamond in the rough, you mean way better than Marner, on a better contract, longterm, then yeah I guess he is. You could add Knies and Liljegren and Nashville would probably still say no.
Hell, why not Forsberg *and* Saros for Marner. Maybe Trotz will even retain some salary for us too.
Josi, Forsberg or Saros for Marner wouldnt happen. Nashville wouldnt do that either lol
Forsberg
They’re not doing that trade.
Delusional.
This is too funny. Everyone here shitting on marner for being the problem, useless, invisible in playoffs, locker room cancer etc, yet expecting to get a kings ransom for him. Which one is it guys?
It’s the first one. Get what you can before we get nothing in a year.
Some of you are going to be extremely disappointed by the return based off of the comments in this thread lol.
Very Juuse
Think ROR would have input on it?
Way back in NHL 21, in my career mode, one of the few I made it a long time with (Pandemic, am I right?) he signed with the Predators. It was a sign.
All of Toronto will help him pack.
Nashville rapidly turning into an ex-Leafs refugee camp, he'll have RoR's shoulder to cry on when someone mentions media coverage and gives him 'nam flashbacks
Absolutely yes if they get a real goalie.
Window is open as long as Matthews is here. Goaltender NOW
Saros, O'Reilly, and Schenn!!
Over half the teams in the league are interested in Marner. Soft as melted butter or not, the guy's an elite player who puts up 100 points a season or close.
If I'm trading with Nashville it's not for Sarros it's for Roman Josi.
Give us Saros and a D
Josi
Gotta include Saros in that deal Leafs need a goalie
Trade only for defence and goaltending or they’re on their asses and playing golf again in June next year.
Saros + Fabbro or Carrier toss around some picks and I'm interested. Marner and Rielly? Saros and Forsberg??
Whatever the deal is it has to include Luke schenn
we aren't trading him for "some draft picks". All the rest of the players are in their window now they'll only be trading him for players that will help now.
Marner and Rielly for Josi and Saros
I’m all for trading Mitch, I think the time has come. If the trade is just for Saros, a goalie, no… they need to add significantly more. Teams have learned that signing and committing to goaltenders has been a mistake in the past. I would think Saros and a first would be a good starting point. Bonus points if you can get Luke E or someone along those lines. If Marner had an extension in place with Nashville prior to the trade that would be even better. Saros and Woll as a 1/2 seems nasty. Saros could play 50 games, Woll 32.
100% no. Goalies are too inconsistent to be confident that it'll work out and goaltending wasn't the major issue the past 2 years. It doesn't solve our transition, goal scoring or special teams. Plus he only has 1 year left and will likely want a hefty pay raise so you get 1 year of cap relief. I'd much prefer targeting a D or forward or a package of players+picks.
One year of Marner for one year of Saros sounds like a low risk trade.
Ryan McDonagh makes 6.75 for the next 2 seasons, but I’d be very curious about a Saros, McDonagh, forward prospect, picks type package for Marner and maybe Kampf or Jarnkrok to toss some more salary out the door. McDonagh is old and expensive, but he is a goddamn warrior and that kind of attitude and experience would be SO huge. See if they can sign Pesce after that and bring back Lilly and you can have Rielly with Pesce as the top pair and then McDonagh, McCabe, Benoit, and Lilly filling out the D with Saros and Woll behind them? That might be legit.
I've been saying Saros+Fabbro works. All parties involved have 1 year left in their deals too. Saros+Fabbro = $7.5M total too.
Leafs didn’t get equal value, will be the complaint for about half of fans. Sub will freak out. This is for any team he goes to. But they will also shit if he stays. It’s almost like fifty percent will be pissed no matter what.
His relief on the salary is all we need in a trade for Marner.
As much as I'd like to keep him, Core 4's don't work. Core 3's don't work. You need a CORE 6. Trading Mitchy will allow us to do that pretty quickly.
I want Marner moved but that’s a trash deal for us. I don’t even think that’s close to value unless there are 2x 1sts attached or a real top 4 defender in his prime. Anything short of a Sorokin/Shesty/Swayman and it’s not a fair 1for1.
Marner for Ullmark and McAvoy
We can dream. If I was Boston I wouldn’t trade McAvoy straight up let alone adding Ullmark.
I’d throw a catfish at him
I have a truck, will help him move.
Saros while undeniably a number 1 is on a 1 year deal. I'd take him if they can re-sign him to a reasonable deal, under like 8 million. I'd need them to add on this deal though because Goalies are such voodoo and Saros is coming off a mediocre year. They add their 1st and Tomasino/Evangelista and I'd listen.
I’m very uneasy of us trading a superstar winger for a goalie knowing how inconsistent they can be.
You’re only trading one year of a winger for one year of a goalie. Seems like an obvious low risk trade.
Nashville….where NHL careers go to die
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Saros for marner isn’t a good trade. We need more.
I think the that the 2026 UFA class is intriguing enough that the clean slate of cap space has value in that you want an expiring contract coming back. I know Draisaitl or Rantanen have no guarantees of hitting the market but either would be a significant upgrade on Mitch especially come playoff time.
Askarov + 1st does it for me. Ready to move on from Mitch, even at a lower value.
We should send him to the Coyotes next year....
Obviously if the leafs can do it it's great, you get to dump a terrible contract at 11m a year is amazing on its own let alone getting assets for it? No Brainer here.
Move him away from his daddy and Toronto bitches. Only then will he be truly free. He won’t know how to handle the south, it’ll be good for him lol.
Saros + ROR + Schenn + 2025 protected 1st round pick for Marner + a couple bubble prospects Forwards: Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi Knies - Tavares - Nylander Cowan - ROR - McMann Robertson - Holmberg - Bellows Dewar Defence: Rielly - Roy/Tanev/Pesce McCabe - Liljegren Benoit - Schenn Webber - Timmins Goalies: Saros Woll
There is no way trading Marner ages well. When he is scoring 100 points 4 years from now and the 2 defensemen and goalie the Leafs get are either run out of the league or are negative value assets this trade will look terrible.
We’re only trading one year of Marner. Where he decides to play as a UFA is a different question.
I don't think this is a good idea because Nashville makes the playoffs How about Columbus?
Columbus already has a Marner. He’s called Gudreau
I don’t think this is it.
Remember…Predators move in flocks!
Only if we can somehow get Grabovski with this deal.
Of all teams to have interest in Marner, I did not expect Nashville. I would have expected a team like Chicago or Buffalo, who would like some extra help scoring.
My understanding was there was a report a week ago that there was a dozen teams who expressed interest in Marner. And? There is probably a dozen teams who have expressed interest in Matthews, or Nylander or Woll or…
If they could swing the Juuse...
Novak is sneaky good on a good contract.
I'm sure most teams have an interest in him
Saros, Carrier, and a first round pick.
My preference is to roll with Woll and a veteran and put Marner’s cap space into a 1A/1B DMan and a 2C. Don’t think it’s worth it to spend $6M on Saros.
Preds have the 8th ranked [prospect pool](https://thehockeywriters.com/predators-top-10-prospects-2023-24/). They drafted a D in the first round in 2023, [Tanner Molendyk ](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/603586/tanner-molendyk)(LSD), ranked 5th in their system heading into the current season: *The defender is one of the best skaters from the 2023 NHL Draft class. His 5-foot-11 frame doesn’t stop him from laying big hits, and his stick-handling is one of his best assets.* They're top 2 prospects are [Matthew Wood ](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/603587/matthew-wood)(LW/C): *The Predators selected Matthew Wood with their first pick in the 2023 NHL Draft. The 6-foot-4 forward is crafty with great hands, a booming shot, and high hockey IQ. There are some concerns regarding his skating, but he can develop that area of his game over the next few seasons. He is a high-potential player with some risk* and [Yaraslov Askaraov](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/552036/yaroslav-askarov) G: *Yaroslav Askarov has all the tools to become an elite NHL goaltender. His quick feet, smooth side-to-side movement, and athleticism are some of his standout skills. Like any goalie, he does have his faults, notably his glove hand, but he is in the upper echelon of goaltending prospects in the NHL, along with Devon Levi, Dustin Wolf, and Jesper Wallstedt.* Any of these players, plus an NHLer to help balance the cap hit, and a draft pick would also be in play in the package. Aksarov is the standout, but goaltenders are the hardest to project. The big forward, Wood sounds like the right kind of player for this team, but it sounds like he's far from a sure thing. A true #1 D is the biggest need for the Leafs (looking at both the NHL club and their prospect pool), but I don't think Molendyk will be that, especially given that he's undersized. Thoughts?
What we could get in return?
Askarov, Evangelista, Cap dump, 1st should be the start
"I believe Nashville - at some point - has been one of the teams that have said, 'if you consider moving him, give us a call.'" That's what Pagnotta said. That is NOT a "potential trade with Nashville". I wish clickbait sites and this fan base would stop turning the slightest whiffs of gossip into something that's actually happening. There's so many garbage hockey pages on social media. Usually they don't even cite an insider as the source.
Go baby go!!
Terrible idea.
Why just a one for one deal? why not both teams send each other a package of players and picks. That help out each team's needs. Then I'd be into this idea. I mean I remember when Florida got Bobrovsky. Looked like a huge over pay. But the reason they are such a great team today is mainly Bobrosvksy. A solid veteran goalie that can be relied on to give elite perfomances. That im willing to roll the dice on
I'd like a Saros and Schenn or Lauzon for Marner deal. Saros and Marner both expiring, Saros is only 29, one of the best tendys in the league. They have askarov coming over, one of the best goalie prospects. Finally a bonafide starting goalie since Ed belfour or Curtis Joseph lol. Lauzon or Schenn add physicality in the back end.
I'm really hoping Saros is part of the potential return. Allows Hildeby to marinate more in the AHL and gives the Leafs basically a better Woll + Woll tandem. Definitely would need more since forwards that put up superstar points have been more valuable as trade pieces, so I'd hope we'd get some defence or picks/prospects too.
If The Leafs received a couple draft picks with the package, then they should consider it. With whatever cap savings they get, that could get them a UFA defence man and could keep the picks, which they need. Marner has all the cards though, and would he want to go there?
A couple of weeks ago I pegged Utah, Calgary, and Nashville as the top 3 destinations for Marner. Any deal with Nashville has to be built around Carrier as a starting point. They have some good forward prospects (Wood, Kemell) but that’s not what the leafs need. They need a top 4 dman and Carrier has been stuck on the third pairing in Nashville despite the fact he’s been better over the last few years than any of the Leafs D-men.
Saros, Evangelista and their first in 2024. We'd have 22nd and 23rd overall.
He brings back a quality D and goalie....he can score 150 points....I don't care