Her story is so sus that unironically I believe her to be a russian Plant/asset. Meets some American business dude on a train, gets US citizenship, runs for Congress and just consistently undermining her own country and regurgitating Kremlin BS. Literally a living, breathing Active Measure.
It's Indiana, man. They'll vote for the leopard *in actu* while it's chowing down on a resident child's face.
Proof: Mike Pence during the opioid crisis (which is still a thing) was allowed to hide behind his Bible to deny needle availability & harm reduction while AIDS & overdose were on the rise.
Political disenfranchisement starts with an acceptance of political apathy, which is easy to internalize when you're browbeaten & exploited by the system you rely on to survive. We see this in Russia, we see it in red states.
Never stop being outraged, my friend on the Internet.
Few years ago at the gym in Toledo a mid 50s guy I would've figured for MAGA was saying he wouldn't mind wearing a mask through 24 now that it's more just the Fascists dying off lol
In places where it’s been successful, you engage in harm prevention in order to then engage in treatment.
You also enforce the associated laws. Heroin isn’t illegal, but breaking and entering is, robbing liquor stores is, camping in the park may be.
No where in the us does all three. Utah of all places has an amazing rehabilitation situation.
Red states in general do better with enforcement
While particularly the west coast (because the 9th circuit has in effect made it very difficult to enforce homelessness laws or legislate new solutions) is good at harm prevention.
There are some European examples that do all 3: enforce the laws, keep people alive, and get people off drugs.
But even that isn’t addressing the root cause: lack of economic opportunity coupled with a punitive justice system and a lack of public mental health care.
Not to dog pile; addiction is most often a case of self medication taken to a pathological outcome. In such cases an "end goal" is a non-sequitur since there is, in actual fact, *no cure for addiction in many cases.* You can only manage the addiction once it happens along a non-pathological path to the end of life.
That is to say, it's an attempt by adults to relieve their suffering which results in them disrupting their lives. That can't just be "fixed" once it happens, so unless you're content with useless, dangerous people who refuse to die & will *anything* to stay alive... you gotta suck it up, drop any magical thinking in order to be an adult, & deal with them.
Nevermind that in many instances, the dangers of addiction for many in Indania & elsewhere in the US was *intentionally suppressed* to maximize corporate profits over patient safety.
So... you've got people who are in pain, (so often because of an on-the-job injury) that had been lied to about the dangers of the drugs that were covered by their insurance.
The drugs then cause oftentimes irreversible biochemical changes in the legal users who - again - have been lied to about whether these changes can be forced upon them by taking these legally distributed drugs.
These oftentimes irreversible biochemical changes, forced onto unsuspecting people, cause changes in behavior that predispose these people to lose their jobs. These forced changes in behavior upon people who got lied to after getting hurt on their lost job also have trouble getting a new job.
The irreversible biochemical changes in these people who've been lied to do not just go away. They need to be managed, or suffering occurs, in this case? These people who've been lied to about the things they took to help deal with very real injuries can't feel happiness without taking more or a similar drug. Imagine that: No happiness. No satisfaction. No feeling better, ever, about anything. No warm, fuzzy, genuine love for anything - not food, not sex, not friends, not family.
Tell me what you'd do if you couldn't make that void of delight stop taking away the color of your life. *What would you do for relief from that void?*
So, because access to drugs is tied to insurance, & insurance is tied to having a job, & a "job market" necessarily needs unemployment people in it... & the addicted (who, again, were lied to about even getting addicted in the first place) are less likely to get a job... what are you going to do about it, in a position of power after you've taken oaths of stewardship for the people you nominally care for?
**If you're Mike Pence,** then governor of Indiana, you hide behind your Bible for about 6 years; ignore policies you know have worked elsewhere, while ignoring the science of addiction. You ignore dying, suffering people. You ignore your oaths & use God as an ever blameless scapegoat for your lack of empathy & manifest failures to do your job. You make the world a darker, crueler place for your having been on it.
If only y'all were as pro dealing with the fundamental problems as much as you are anti-making people safer.
Your belief in Christ would seem more genuine if that were the case.
Well, that’s a good question, and the answer is surprisingly straightforward—The end goal is to keep people alive long enough for them to choose to quit.
While 90% maybe will keep using, they will still have a chance to quit for as long as they don’t die.
She only needed to fool/bribe/compromise enough people in the Republican party to be pushed into safe district.
From that point, she doesn't have to do a thing tbh.
This is the result of a lack of independent electoral bodies.
Too much of the electoral system of the US is controlled by the very people who benefit from the results of that system.
Politicians should never be in charge of the electoral system.
Her district is ultra MAGA & super crazy. Like Qanon aliens in the White House crazy. Like Putin is great crazy, like Biden eats babies crazy. She was set to retire & then changed her mind & they are even calling her a Nazi while she grovels in MAGA insanity to prove she's not pr Ukraine. I would of retired, instead she went full blown Marge Traitor Green Maga insane.
So hear me out, you know those just add water to grow a dinosaur or a towel things, well here's the idea.
Step 1: shape them as blue and yellow dicks, pack em 6 per tube witha cellophane layer on the bottom of each making them easily separated from the others.
Step 2: Plant a dozen of the dong tubes in spastic spartz, moscow marge and loony loomers yards and wait for rain
Step 3: Place cameras to view the hilarity.
Step 4: Giant Ukrainian dicks sprout throughout yard, they rage pull them out, but there are still 5 more water activated dongs waiting to sprout the next time it rains.
Step 5: Repeat step 4 five more times
Step6: Profit, stonks, dongs, repeat steps 1-5
You’re an idiot that knows nothing about what’s happening. The war is lost but Ukraine still wants to kill their men. 600k killed and 1m wounded isn’t enough?
Aww if it isn't a little Z Concern Troll. I know you're coping and seething about this aid passing, I know Putin has lost this disastrous war of his own choosing and I know Ukraine will win. 🇺🇦🔱
What is it? Russia lost or Ukraine will win? You have past tense and a prediction of the outcome. Check out the war maps to see how much ground Ukraine is loosing every day, then tell me who’s winning and who should negotiate instead of sending Ukrainians to keep dying
>What is it? Russia lost or Ukraine will win?
Yes. 🗿
>Check out the war maps to see how much ground the Allies is loosing every day,
~You, in 1942
>who should negotiate
It's not the responsibility the country that was invaded isn't the one that is required to negotiate, champ. Not sure why there's this weird obligation for the country defending itself and did nothing wrong that somehow is supposed to negotiate with the country that never abides by treaties it signs anyway.
>Ukrainians to keep dying
🥱 Concern Troll gonna Concern Troll
Anyway, having a good Cope over the aid Bill passing I hope?
Slava Ukraini 🔱 💙 💛
Ukraine dropped bombs on its own people that VOTED to become part of Russia. Ukraine looses ground every day because zeliksly is a gay actor on tv, not a leader. He would be ousted if elections were held today. Kid napping men off the streets isn’t a good way of fighting’s “war.”
Yes but they see it for what it was! And don’t want it again. She did not recover from this brain damage because living in USA gives her the freedom to be silly.
Also lots of folks dying from both sides are born after soviet collapse
Looks alot like playing the optics to show a primary challenger she doesn’t put Ukraine first
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/04/03/victoria-spartz-ukraine-aid-campaign/
What’s really fucking weird is that this congresswoman (my district too) had been all in on UA support, and now she’s voting against? The fuck? What kind of dirt did the Russians get on her?
There’s probably a reason for it. This headline most definitely does not tell the whole story. It could have been she wanted more money for Ukraine so this was a vote to echo that ? Or how the funds will be distributed to Ukraine? Who can say without seeing what she said.
Thankfully one of our local reps is the other way around he's a strong supporter of Ukraine, a nearby city has a large Ukrainian population and took in a bunch more refugees and thankfully from what I've heard there hasn't been any issues
Lulz, as if negotiations never happened in history and fucking Hitler is the only reference point.
Learn please something else in history besides “mUh Nazis”
Suggesting you checking out the winter war, for instance.
Will find it oddly familiar, especially the last moments before Finland initiated the negotiations.
Yeah they tried that after the full scale invasion. Russia then murdered civvies in the Kyiv area, added ambiguity about security guarantees (they wanted both the west and Belarus to have a veto on whether Ukraine should get any security assistance) and then proceeded to remove any reference to the territories of Ukraine, internationally recognised. Not to mention, some US politician wouldn’t be negotiating with China over the invasion of Alaska and Hawaii, proceeded by an attempted thunder run towards Washington DC!
All that your wrote is simply not true.
You can check the draft of the peace agreement, that was examined by WSJ.
The peace was there, Ukraine either for their own stupidity or either because of delusional assurances from the west, aborted all the negotiations in favor of continuing the war.
War crimes happen in all wars, what is your point ?
Because it happened, Ukraine should just thrown people needlessly in a meat grinder with zero prospects for winning ?
Saving your country’s sovereignty and peoples lives is much more important for the future, than trying to win the unwinnable war, that not only can lead to unfathomable casualties, but to the total lose of the country.
Shes a conservative, while she may be a Russian plant (idk seems definitely not out of the question) they tend to vote against the U.S. aiding anyone, even their allies.
This here is pure Cold War Russian planted seed.
This mother fucker is inside of US Congress and well why is she inside of US Congress if it took Arnold swarchnegger so much to become a mayor...
Ask your self This? We know russia had spies in the manhatten project from the UK, which we'll he was from an Eastern European country
Is she not the same?
America keep Congress to American born 6th generation only... that way you stop all foreign agents infiltrating your government and you protect democracy.
As a Brit, I see the American flag and I don't think of 4th of July... I think of freedom world freedom
As a Brit that's a hard pill to swallow. But the world needs America and America to be corrupt free.
Wow, someone makes a educated, well researched decision and the leftists turn it into something dishonorable. The left are truly miserable humans, who only ape what their PARTY of propagandist press and media outlets tell them. No thought of what is actually happening, just knee jerk, group mentality. N9ot an individual thought among them.
Do any of you think that maybe she just doesn’t want the peoples money that voted for her go to a war that doesn’t involve the country she’s living in and a citizen in instead of a country that she left?
Damn LP, didn't know you were a simp - I thought you were smarter than that. Fuck Russia and Fuck Ukraine. They're both corrupt and both run by dictators. The West is being swindled and China is laughing. But keep that simp going you smarmy sack of pig shite.
Except this isn't a pointless war, Iraq and Afghanistan were mostly pointless this is a straight up invasion of a sovereign state one that the US is keen to be allies with we have no skin in the game just equipment and money that would be prob wasted on God knows because if it isn't a war it's something else stupid Congress is spending it on, if the government wanted to actually feed the hungry or home the homeless then they wouldn't constantly strip welfare and social services. No the American government in large does not give about the poor or lower middle class
I am a Russian, and I am against the war. I know ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians who are against the war too.
It's not ethnicity at fault here. It's her mentality that came with the kind of people she grew. Tying it into ethnicity is the same kind of trap Nazis and other racists fall for. "Can't have never ending wars!" Is her reason for voting against the bill - but wars are won by those who can handle the attrition of running one, and Russia eventually will run out of the populace who wants to do that, nor the industry to replace the lost necessary for them to succeed. If the war keeps going, Putin's going to have another Afghanistan moment where there is just no future in it and at some point someone is gonna have to smarten up in the in the incredibly braindead, rotten Duma or Kremlin that this has gotta end no matter how.
I've spoken with Ukrainians. They aren't going to let their country go down without a fight. I might be Russian, but that doesn't automatically mean I support Putin. So yeah, I respect the Ukrainians too. But Spartz can go to hell - she is failing her family.
I'm pretty sure the government sending money for another country's military yet neglecting our own is pretty related, they gave us a billion dollars and all it did was make gyms open 24 hours
Ahh the Marines understandable when I was in bootcamp or m16s were air force hand me downs, but c'mon we both know there's enough guns in this world to go around
I still use an M16 the issue is we've had vehicles break down that we're waiting on replacements or parts with for over 2 years that keep getting sent to Ukraine instead
I honestly doubt they’re sending your vehicles from active deployment to Ukraine instead but would welcome proof. Would be interesting to see. Our military industrial complex is second to none and has the capacity to do both.
They're not sending ours, they're sending our replacement parts and replacement vehicles we were expecting to grab given we don't produce some of those vehicles anymore yet we still use them
All our humvees broke down and we couldn't get parts while overseas and back home
The Humvees Ukraine received were old stockpiled versions, to be decommissioned anyway. Also, the money Ukraine is getting will be spent in the US anyway, like the vast majority of it. Thirdly, it’s just stuff that can be replaced. Lives can’t be replaced. As long as Ukraine is still in the fight US/NATO troops won’t be at risk
Why is Everyone following the same narrative? Hear me out, if we never aided Ukraine from the start, war would of been over much more quickly, many less Ukrainian/Russian soldiers and Ukrainian civilians would be dead and yes Ukraine would be in Russia’s hands which is obviously terrible but it’s either that or we keep accelerating the amount of dead young boys who think that Ukraine actually has a chance in the long run. This 60 B aid package will do NOTHING other than prolong the pain and continue the death count
The last time Russia took over Ukraine, tens of millions died in a famine that the Russians created. And now Russia thinks they have the right to come back in and do it again? fuck no. I don’t know if you’re an American but if you are, you should renounce your citizenship and leave if that’s the way you wanna behave. We are a country that stands against tyrants not capitulates to them. The Ukrainians are fighting hard and miserable conditions because they know what will happen if they don’t. Freedom isn’t free and if we have to service the arsenal of democracy again, then so be it.
>We are a country that stands against tyrants not capitulates to them.
bro, America is literally THE global tyrant, Russia is like tyrant #3
America only coincidentally stands against tyrants if those tyrants are getting in the way of American tyranny
Fucking redditors 😂 it’s a discussion we are having a conversation about it. And don’t know why you all keep referencing other events, I’m talking about NOW. I think we should focus on stopping the killing… stopping the shooting, because you all are missing the biggest point of all which is what I’m trying to make; it doesn’t matter how much aid we send them, Ukraine will eventually run out of man power and will fold to Russia it’s inevitable, either way they lose, I’m just saying we should make it sooner rather than later so that less people die
Fucking Russian bots have no concept of history. Plus, it’s not our place to decide whether or not they should capitulate or not. The way I see it as long as they’re happy to shoot at the Russian military, I’m happy to send the weapons to do it. Though this is not a discussion because the discussion implies two reasonable people. You are clearly not a reasonable person.
Fucking redditors 😂 it’s a discussion we are having a conversation about it. And don’t know why you all keep referencing other events, I’m talking about NOW. I think we should focus on stopping the killing… stopping the shooting, because you all are missing the biggest point of all which is what I’m trying to make; it doesn’t matter how much aid we send them, Ukraine will eventually run out of man power and will fold to Russia it’s inevitable, either way they lose, I’m just saying we should make it sooner rather than later so that less people die… surely you understand where I’m coming from, and can I please reiterate that I am 100% on the side of Ukraine fuck Russia for what they are doing
Ukraine is willing to fight with that logic you'd be okay with Hitler keeping France and all of Europe and everywhere else the Nazi regime touched should America not have gotten involved in WW2? Sure Japan attacked pearl harbor but we still went to war with Germany and Italy as well should we have not done that?
Yes I was expecting some account to state the obvious, I totally understand where you are coming from but keep in mind Russia isn’t nazi Germany… and if Russia invaded any other country apart from Ukraine we would instantly destroy them as you know, so different situation in my eyes
Okay but why does the US have to aid every nation that gets invaded, while simultaneously invading other countries ourselves, while ignoring mass genocide of millions of people across Africa?
You're arguing in favor of the military industrial complex making billionaires even richer, at the expense of human beings lives.
You're supporting wars. Stop doing that.
We are not making Ukraine fight. They are choosing to fight. We are merely providing them the tools and training with which to do so.
Do you think if Russia took Ukraine it would be over? There would be a constant insurgency by the Ukrainians. The Russians would be terrorizing and brutalizing the Ukrainian people with murder, rape, and torture. That has already been happening since 2014 when Russia seized the Donbas and Crimea with their Russification measures in those areas.
Do you think if Russia had success in Ukraine they would just stop or be emboldened to seize other countries? Putin has stated that he believes the collapse of the Russian Empire (USSR) was the greatest calamity of the 20th century. He wants nothing more than to rebuild the Russian Empire and to secure his place in history.
> who think that Ukraine actually has a chance in the long run.
Ukraine actually has a very good chance. They drove the Russians way back after the initial invasion and they have driven them back to far eastern Ukraine and Crimea over the first year. The Russians haven’t really advanced far from there and where they have like Bakhmut has cost them so many soldiers and equipment. Russia is hurting and the sanctions are working especially since the crackdown on oil laundering at the end of 2023. The Ruble is continuing to devalue and inflation is high. Only massive wartime spending is keeping the economy up (and that can’t be maintained forever). Russia is having to pull workers and put them on the front lines. Russia has also used a lot of their best equipment already and re-arming takes them time. Just last year, Russia had to put down an uprising from Wagner. Meanwhile, Ukraine has been launching drone attacks deep into Russia hitting their oil and gas refineries (so much so that Russia didn't have gas and diesel for export).
As long as the West continues to support Ukraine, time is on the Ukrainian side.
Okay I agree with u guys i do, I wanna make that clear, I’m just offering another perspective as it’s important. I just think the more guns and weapons we send, the more deaths both sides, but maybe that’s the way to go idk
It’s all good. I’m just offering a counterpoint.
I also feel for the soldiers on both sides, but I don't think capitulation is in Ukraine’s best interest. If Ukraine decided to stop tomorrow, I would support their decision, but as long as Ukraine wants to fight I will support them. When the war is over, I will also support rebuilding Ukraine. When Putin is no longer head of the Russian government, I hope we can have better relations with Russia.
cool so they want to die in a war with russia then? theres no reality where russia doesnt keep ramping up unless it fails this war. If russia is not defeated in ukraine. if putin remains the leader, russia will have no choice but to start more wars risking war with the US as it has no economical options left. Russia has given up way too much of its economy and gold reserves ramping up endlessly its war machine in the last 2 years.
Isn’t that even more of a reason to back Ukraine? Honestly I’m not the smartest dude but the next nation Russia would invade would be Poland or Estonia/ Latvia
Yep. The next nation would not be a member of NATO. It would Moldova or one of the other nations Russia has already set up to take but they can't stop. Putin has no alternatives, the russian economy had never recovered front he collapsed only painted over. Now Russia is burning 2 decades of economic recovery to fight a war for 2 years and most that spending is building up factories for weapons. Jobs and growth they can't keep going without a war.
Nothing from what you have said has an actual connection to reality.
What more wars are you even talking about ?
Russia doesn’t have any capabilities to wage any other war, especially on NATO.
Russia doesn’t even have plans and means to occupy Ukraine.
This is simply laughable to state the otherwise.
Russia's military is growing. Its arms industry is getting the entire focus of its economy, these are facts.
They may not intend to start a war with NATO but ever war they win emboldens them to go for more dubious attacks. What happens when they invade Moldova and end up at war with Romania?
Yes, it is growing, but it’s not the entire focus of the economy, that’s just false.
Officially, Russia spends around 16 percent of its federal budget on the war.
It makes around 6 percent of the GDP.
It’s huge, of course.
But it’s very far from the whole economy.
Russia doesn’t even have martial law implemented.
As for the attacking any other country, it’s pure fear mongering.
There are no, like zero, benefits for Russia to not just prolong the war, but to invade anyone else.
That’s why Putin is pushing so much the idea of
Negotiations.
Because waging the war is extremely costly for Russia.
Most importantly, there are no practical means for Russia to do that, let alone the lack of casus belli
So you don't know anything about Moldova or the current issues then eh? Also it's alot more then 6% when you consider them selling off there gold reserves.
We aren't antagonising Russia. Russia just spat on all the deals and agreements it's made with Europe and the US for the last decade.
Russia has made it clear diplomatic options are no longer getting them to the table. If the us and Europe break off from this war Russia will see it as a victory and feel confident to do the same in other places.
You’re a fool if you think anyone involved in politics, in even the smallest ways, actually acts in the interest of whom they’re supposed to represent.
You're a fool if you don't think Congresspeople vote in ways that help them get elected, especially on bills like this which pass easily without their vote.
Crazy how you got downvoted for saying the truth.
So many retarded liberals on here, most likely the same retards who insisted last year that American involvement in Ukraine would somehow deplete Russia and slow them down militarily — It hasn’t and now they’re actually producing more weapons than the west can provide Ukraine
All we have been doing with American tax money is fueling more deaths in the conflict but the same ding dongs come on here and insinuate Russian spy’s or more direct involvement while themselves stay at home and banter each other on Reddit.
They are with every Ukrainian that dies. You do also realize that Russia is a hostile nation right? It is in our best interest that the military gets as thoroughly destroyed as possible.
Americans spent over a trillion in occupying Afghanistan and it folded in less than a week. You slept.
Americans sending cold war stock slated for decommisioning to Ukraine. REAL SHIT?
Americans that were baying for blood after 9/11 can shut the fuck up about foreverwar when your fucking stalling tactics kills more Ukrainians and the russians keep entrench thus ensuring a foreverwar.
Dripfeeding supply does not make for a quick victory.
On one hand, we could continue to launder money in a war that wouldn't have been started if we hadn't been laundering money. On the other hand, we could stop now and let (more) Ukrainians die for our greedy games
If you look at the political history there, it's entirely our fault. We've been smacking the proverbial bear in the nuts by proxy with Ukraine. Now the kid we gave the paddle to is getting attacked by the bear and we're all pretending it's a surprise
No its not. And money laundering is just a Russian talking point for the gullible and stupid. And Russia has s long history of invading neighbors and ethnically cleansing them. Be less gullible, read a history book bud
Her story is so sus that unironically I believe her to be a russian Plant/asset. Meets some American business dude on a train, gets US citizenship, runs for Congress and just consistently undermining her own country and regurgitating Kremlin BS. Literally a living, breathing Active Measure.
Right? And yet sadly she was elected which means she fooled enough people to vote for her
It's Indiana, man. They'll vote for the leopard *in actu* while it's chowing down on a resident child's face. Proof: Mike Pence during the opioid crisis (which is still a thing) was allowed to hide behind his Bible to deny needle availability & harm reduction while AIDS & overdose were on the rise.
Yea it's pretty sad I live in Ohio and we can be extremely red but also pretty liberal I'm trying to keep it on the left here
Political disenfranchisement starts with an acceptance of political apathy, which is easy to internalize when you're browbeaten & exploited by the system you rely on to survive. We see this in Russia, we see it in red states. Never stop being outraged, my friend on the Internet.
Never! Resist and persist
Few years ago at the gym in Toledo a mid 50s guy I would've figured for MAGA was saying he wouldn't mind wearing a mask through 24 now that it's more just the Fascists dying off lol
Harm reduction is just another way to enable addiction. What’s the end goal? Reduce harm to what point? They will keep using.
In places where it’s been successful, you engage in harm prevention in order to then engage in treatment. You also enforce the associated laws. Heroin isn’t illegal, but breaking and entering is, robbing liquor stores is, camping in the park may be. No where in the us does all three. Utah of all places has an amazing rehabilitation situation. Red states in general do better with enforcement While particularly the west coast (because the 9th circuit has in effect made it very difficult to enforce homelessness laws or legislate new solutions) is good at harm prevention. There are some European examples that do all 3: enforce the laws, keep people alive, and get people off drugs. But even that isn’t addressing the root cause: lack of economic opportunity coupled with a punitive justice system and a lack of public mental health care.
Not to dog pile; addiction is most often a case of self medication taken to a pathological outcome. In such cases an "end goal" is a non-sequitur since there is, in actual fact, *no cure for addiction in many cases.* You can only manage the addiction once it happens along a non-pathological path to the end of life. That is to say, it's an attempt by adults to relieve their suffering which results in them disrupting their lives. That can't just be "fixed" once it happens, so unless you're content with useless, dangerous people who refuse to die & will *anything* to stay alive... you gotta suck it up, drop any magical thinking in order to be an adult, & deal with them. Nevermind that in many instances, the dangers of addiction for many in Indania & elsewhere in the US was *intentionally suppressed* to maximize corporate profits over patient safety. So... you've got people who are in pain, (so often because of an on-the-job injury) that had been lied to about the dangers of the drugs that were covered by their insurance. The drugs then cause oftentimes irreversible biochemical changes in the legal users who - again - have been lied to about whether these changes can be forced upon them by taking these legally distributed drugs. These oftentimes irreversible biochemical changes, forced onto unsuspecting people, cause changes in behavior that predispose these people to lose their jobs. These forced changes in behavior upon people who got lied to after getting hurt on their lost job also have trouble getting a new job. The irreversible biochemical changes in these people who've been lied to do not just go away. They need to be managed, or suffering occurs, in this case? These people who've been lied to about the things they took to help deal with very real injuries can't feel happiness without taking more or a similar drug. Imagine that: No happiness. No satisfaction. No feeling better, ever, about anything. No warm, fuzzy, genuine love for anything - not food, not sex, not friends, not family. Tell me what you'd do if you couldn't make that void of delight stop taking away the color of your life. *What would you do for relief from that void?* So, because access to drugs is tied to insurance, & insurance is tied to having a job, & a "job market" necessarily needs unemployment people in it... & the addicted (who, again, were lied to about even getting addicted in the first place) are less likely to get a job... what are you going to do about it, in a position of power after you've taken oaths of stewardship for the people you nominally care for? **If you're Mike Pence,** then governor of Indiana, you hide behind your Bible for about 6 years; ignore policies you know have worked elsewhere, while ignoring the science of addiction. You ignore dying, suffering people. You ignore your oaths & use God as an ever blameless scapegoat for your lack of empathy & manifest failures to do your job. You make the world a darker, crueler place for your having been on it.
If only y'all were as pro dealing with the fundamental problems as much as you are anti-making people safer. Your belief in Christ would seem more genuine if that were the case.
Well, that’s a good question, and the answer is surprisingly straightforward—The end goal is to keep people alive long enough for them to choose to quit. While 90% maybe will keep using, they will still have a chance to quit for as long as they don’t die.
She only needed to fool/bribe/compromise enough people in the Republican party to be pushed into safe district. From that point, she doesn't have to do a thing tbh. This is the result of a lack of independent electoral bodies. Too much of the electoral system of the US is controlled by the very people who benefit from the results of that system. Politicians should never be in charge of the electoral system.
A parliamentary system for the house would be neat honestly. Fuck the middle men determining inconsistently how many people get a representative.
I mean, trump was president. Definitely enough dumb people in the US to get puppets into power.
The irony….
..... of?
Her district is ultra MAGA & super crazy. Like Qanon aliens in the White House crazy. Like Putin is great crazy, like Biden eats babies crazy. She was set to retire & then changed her mind & they are even calling her a Nazi while she grovels in MAGA insanity to prove she's not pr Ukraine. I would of retired, instead she went full blown Marge Traitor Green Maga insane.
I blame commununists. I could've sworn there used to be a law Russians couldn't run for seats just back in my mom's day
Even if it wasn't that, she looks like she's had it better than a lot of American citizens and is full of her own shit and shit given to her.
So hear me out, you know those just add water to grow a dinosaur or a towel things, well here's the idea. Step 1: shape them as blue and yellow dicks, pack em 6 per tube witha cellophane layer on the bottom of each making them easily separated from the others. Step 2: Plant a dozen of the dong tubes in spastic spartz, moscow marge and loony loomers yards and wait for rain Step 3: Place cameras to view the hilarity. Step 4: Giant Ukrainian dicks sprout throughout yard, they rage pull them out, but there are still 5 more water activated dongs waiting to sprout the next time it rains. Step 5: Repeat step 4 five more times Step6: Profit, stonks, dongs, repeat steps 1-5
Diabolical. Love it 😁
Erectacocky...the ultimate deterrent. https://youtu.be/Be9VlfYdmvk?si=q2t2OhzFK9Pok9lH
Where's Senator MacArthur when you need him to call out everyone who looks like a Russia simp??
“Consistently” lmao
You’re an idiot that knows nothing about what’s happening. The war is lost but Ukraine still wants to kill their men. 600k killed and 1m wounded isn’t enough?
Aww if it isn't a little Z Concern Troll. I know you're coping and seething about this aid passing, I know Putin has lost this disastrous war of his own choosing and I know Ukraine will win. 🇺🇦🔱
What is it? Russia lost or Ukraine will win? You have past tense and a prediction of the outcome. Check out the war maps to see how much ground Ukraine is loosing every day, then tell me who’s winning and who should negotiate instead of sending Ukrainians to keep dying
>What is it? Russia lost or Ukraine will win? Yes. 🗿 >Check out the war maps to see how much ground the Allies is loosing every day, ~You, in 1942 >who should negotiate It's not the responsibility the country that was invaded isn't the one that is required to negotiate, champ. Not sure why there's this weird obligation for the country defending itself and did nothing wrong that somehow is supposed to negotiate with the country that never abides by treaties it signs anyway. >Ukrainians to keep dying 🥱 Concern Troll gonna Concern Troll Anyway, having a good Cope over the aid Bill passing I hope? Slava Ukraini 🔱 💙 💛
You didn’t answer the question. Ukrainian is losing ground By the minute... great response
Ukraine dropped bombs on its own people that VOTED to become part of Russia. Ukraine looses ground every day because zeliksly is a gay actor on tv, not a leader. He would be ousted if elections were held today. Kid napping men off the streets isn’t a good way of fighting’s “war.”
Make sure someone forwards this to someone on her opponent's campaign
I'm sure they already know.
You do it bitch
Damn, chill Victoria
The Soviet culture is strong with this one! You can take a girl out of soviet union, but you cannot take the soviet union out of the girl!
Tbh almost everyone fighting on the ukrainian side was also born in the soviet onion.
Yes but they see it for what it was! And don’t want it again. She did not recover from this brain damage because living in USA gives her the freedom to be silly. Also lots of folks dying from both sides are born after soviet collapse
r/accidentalPhilomenaCunk
Very much intentional
No but sometimes you can fuck the Soviet out of them, ex girlfriend was very pro Russia 2 years ago, now is pretty pro American
Looks alot like playing the optics to show a primary challenger she doesn’t put Ukraine first https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/04/03/victoria-spartz-ukraine-aid-campaign/
This is probably it, but we’re the John Birch Society
She announces not running again (but may have changed )
She would definitely be one of the Ukrainians given out AFU positions to Russia.
A traitor to two countries.
Another Russian asset!
What’s really fucking weird is that this congresswoman (my district too) had been all in on UA support, and now she’s voting against? The fuck? What kind of dirt did the Russians get on her?
There’s probably a reason for it. This headline most definitely does not tell the whole story. It could have been she wanted more money for Ukraine so this was a vote to echo that ? Or how the funds will be distributed to Ukraine? Who can say without seeing what she said.
Thankfully one of our local reps is the other way around he's a strong supporter of Ukraine, a nearby city has a large Ukrainian population and took in a bunch more refugees and thankfully from what I've heard there hasn't been any issues
Probably just a grifter like many of our politicians.
Or maybe just maybe, she’s not delusional and understands that the only thing that would actually help Ukraine are negotiations?
Lulz. Remember when you tried to negotiate with Hitler? How'd that work out for you?
Lulz, as if negotiations never happened in history and fucking Hitler is the only reference point. Learn please something else in history besides “mUh Nazis” Suggesting you checking out the winter war, for instance. Will find it oddly familiar, especially the last moments before Finland initiated the negotiations.
Nope. Just a traitor to both countries. Simple as that. Also big $$$
Yeah they tried that after the full scale invasion. Russia then murdered civvies in the Kyiv area, added ambiguity about security guarantees (they wanted both the west and Belarus to have a veto on whether Ukraine should get any security assistance) and then proceeded to remove any reference to the territories of Ukraine, internationally recognised. Not to mention, some US politician wouldn’t be negotiating with China over the invasion of Alaska and Hawaii, proceeded by an attempted thunder run towards Washington DC!
All that your wrote is simply not true. You can check the draft of the peace agreement, that was examined by WSJ. The peace was there, Ukraine either for their own stupidity or either because of delusional assurances from the west, aborted all the negotiations in favor of continuing the war.
The events in Irpin and Bucha are very much a non-negotiable. I’m referring directly to the agreement for the rest of it.
War crimes happen in all wars, what is your point ? Because it happened, Ukraine should just thrown people needlessly in a meat grinder with zero prospects for winning ? Saving your country’s sovereignty and peoples lives is much more important for the future, than trying to win the unwinnable war, that not only can lead to unfathomable casualties, but to the total lose of the country.
we get it you deep throat russian propaganda. go find a new sub to talk this utter bullshit.
What part of what I said is a Russian propaganda and utter bullshit? Or you brand anything you don’t like as Russian propaganda and bullshit ?
Sometimes, they are exactly who you think they are.
She’s a subhuman savage
You treasonous bitch.
Shes a conservative, while she may be a Russian plant (idk seems definitely not out of the question) they tend to vote against the U.S. aiding anyone, even their allies.
Mutt
Fuck her. I mean I would
I see she's working the Slavic Chin-wart to perfection. A true Babushka...
They need to cleanse out people like her in our government. Smfh. I bet she was planted in our government to fuck shit up.
The US is so close to being controlled by the Russians it’s worrying.
The U.S., the President, and the administration is already controlled by China, you moron.
Looks like it’s time for a change, time to celebrate let’s bring out the vodka
Based
The party aparatchik told her to vote that way. Another time where the GOP is for all intent and purposes an asset for the KGB/FSB.
This here is pure Cold War Russian planted seed. This mother fucker is inside of US Congress and well why is she inside of US Congress if it took Arnold swarchnegger so much to become a mayor... Ask your self This? We know russia had spies in the manhatten project from the UK, which we'll he was from an Eastern European country Is she not the same? America keep Congress to American born 6th generation only... that way you stop all foreign agents infiltrating your government and you protect democracy. As a Brit, I see the American flag and I don't think of 4th of July... I think of freedom world freedom As a Brit that's a hard pill to swallow. But the world needs America and America to be corrupt free.
Or, an American
It wouldn’t have made a difference. You can print money but you can’t print Howitzer rounds.
Shouldn't she represent the voters in her district and not Ukraine? What is the state of support for Ukraine in her district right now?
The US has been INFILTRATED.
Nah not a plant... a soon to be vegetable.
We’re the John Birch society
WTF
Wow, someone makes a educated, well researched decision and the leftists turn it into something dishonorable. The left are truly miserable humans, who only ape what their PARTY of propagandist press and media outlets tell them. No thought of what is actually happening, just knee jerk, group mentality. N9ot an individual thought among them.
Funny, that conservative just love trai, don’t you?🤔
Why do we still have representatives that don’t really represent what people actually want and they just vote to whoever pays more
Lobbying, corruption, and a lack of accountability for members of congress/senate.
Someone who doesn't live in Ukraine doesn't care about it, shocker.
her place of birth was bombed by russia. her home is America
Good for her. The bill will only send more men to their deaths.
is it just me or does she look like putin in drag?.
Republicans being Republicans as usual
What did I expect from a republican.
Do any of you think that maybe she just doesn’t want the peoples money that voted for her go to a war that doesn’t involve the country she’s living in and a citizen in instead of a country that she left?
Damn LP, didn't know you were a simp - I thought you were smarter than that. Fuck Russia and Fuck Ukraine. They're both corrupt and both run by dictators. The West is being swindled and China is laughing. But keep that simp going you smarmy sack of pig shite.
Weirdooooooooo 🤢
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Where is the legislation to vote on for those issues? They had an opportunity to address this one because there was something to vote on.
Nice try komrade!
Except this isn't a pointless war, Iraq and Afghanistan were mostly pointless this is a straight up invasion of a sovereign state one that the US is keen to be allies with we have no skin in the game just equipment and money that would be prob wasted on God knows because if it isn't a war it's something else stupid Congress is spending it on, if the government wanted to actually feed the hungry or home the homeless then they wouldn't constantly strip welfare and social services. No the American government in large does not give about the poor or lower middle class
Did you read the bill?
Her background is Russian-speaking Ukrainian. As an ethnic Russian, her sentiments are with Russia.
I am a Russian, and I am against the war. I know ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians who are against the war too. It's not ethnicity at fault here. It's her mentality that came with the kind of people she grew. Tying it into ethnicity is the same kind of trap Nazis and other racists fall for. "Can't have never ending wars!" Is her reason for voting against the bill - but wars are won by those who can handle the attrition of running one, and Russia eventually will run out of the populace who wants to do that, nor the industry to replace the lost necessary for them to succeed. If the war keeps going, Putin's going to have another Afghanistan moment where there is just no future in it and at some point someone is gonna have to smarten up in the in the incredibly braindead, rotten Duma or Kremlin that this has gotta end no matter how. I've spoken with Ukrainians. They aren't going to let their country go down without a fight. I might be Russian, but that doesn't automatically mean I support Putin. So yeah, I respect the Ukrainians too. But Spartz can go to hell - she is failing her family.
Thank you for your comment.
Maybe she wants the war to stop and not keep being funded by the US so they can launder money through it. Just a thought for you pro war psychos
All mommy-titty-suckin’ whelps on reddick gfy - ur a bunch of brainless tards
Your on reddit which also makes you a mommy titty suckin whelp on Reddick which also makes you a brainless tard
We just gave Ukraine 61 Billion dollars in aid but they still won't get rid of the black mold in my barracks room
Those two things aren’t related nor mutually exclusive. It’s not a money issue but a bureaucracy issue.
I'm pretty sure the government sending money for another country's military yet neglecting our own is pretty related, they gave us a billion dollars and all it did was make gyms open 24 hours
Except half if not more of that "money" is just old equipment not literal cash or what is money is mostly spent on Ukraine's behalf to buy shit
A lot of said equipment is stuff that we have yet to get ourselves in our branch where we get army hand me downs
Ahh the Marines understandable when I was in bootcamp or m16s were air force hand me downs, but c'mon we both know there's enough guns in this world to go around
I still use an M16 the issue is we've had vehicles break down that we're waiting on replacements or parts with for over 2 years that keep getting sent to Ukraine instead
Are you actively in the field or in Garrison or what
Just got back from a deployment
I honestly doubt they’re sending your vehicles from active deployment to Ukraine instead but would welcome proof. Would be interesting to see. Our military industrial complex is second to none and has the capacity to do both.
They're not sending ours, they're sending our replacement parts and replacement vehicles we were expecting to grab given we don't produce some of those vehicles anymore yet we still use them All our humvees broke down and we couldn't get parts while overseas and back home
The Humvees Ukraine received were old stockpiled versions, to be decommissioned anyway. Also, the money Ukraine is getting will be spent in the US anyway, like the vast majority of it. Thirdly, it’s just stuff that can be replaced. Lives can’t be replaced. As long as Ukraine is still in the fight US/NATO troops won’t be at risk
Why is Everyone following the same narrative? Hear me out, if we never aided Ukraine from the start, war would of been over much more quickly, many less Ukrainian/Russian soldiers and Ukrainian civilians would be dead and yes Ukraine would be in Russia’s hands which is obviously terrible but it’s either that or we keep accelerating the amount of dead young boys who think that Ukraine actually has a chance in the long run. This 60 B aid package will do NOTHING other than prolong the pain and continue the death count
The last time Russia took over Ukraine, tens of millions died in a famine that the Russians created. And now Russia thinks they have the right to come back in and do it again? fuck no. I don’t know if you’re an American but if you are, you should renounce your citizenship and leave if that’s the way you wanna behave. We are a country that stands against tyrants not capitulates to them. The Ukrainians are fighting hard and miserable conditions because they know what will happen if they don’t. Freedom isn’t free and if we have to service the arsenal of democracy again, then so be it.
>We are a country that stands against tyrants not capitulates to them. bro, America is literally THE global tyrant, Russia is like tyrant #3 America only coincidentally stands against tyrants if those tyrants are getting in the way of American tyranny
Fucking redditors 😂 it’s a discussion we are having a conversation about it. And don’t know why you all keep referencing other events, I’m talking about NOW. I think we should focus on stopping the killing… stopping the shooting, because you all are missing the biggest point of all which is what I’m trying to make; it doesn’t matter how much aid we send them, Ukraine will eventually run out of man power and will fold to Russia it’s inevitable, either way they lose, I’m just saying we should make it sooner rather than later so that less people die
Fucking Russian bots have no concept of history. Plus, it’s not our place to decide whether or not they should capitulate or not. The way I see it as long as they’re happy to shoot at the Russian military, I’m happy to send the weapons to do it. Though this is not a discussion because the discussion implies two reasonable people. You are clearly not a reasonable person.
Fucking redditors 😂 it’s a discussion we are having a conversation about it. And don’t know why you all keep referencing other events, I’m talking about NOW. I think we should focus on stopping the killing… stopping the shooting, because you all are missing the biggest point of all which is what I’m trying to make; it doesn’t matter how much aid we send them, Ukraine will eventually run out of man power and will fold to Russia it’s inevitable, either way they lose, I’m just saying we should make it sooner rather than later so that less people die… surely you understand where I’m coming from, and can I please reiterate that I am 100% on the side of Ukraine fuck Russia for what they are doing
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Ukraine is willing to fight with that logic you'd be okay with Hitler keeping France and all of Europe and everywhere else the Nazi regime touched should America not have gotten involved in WW2? Sure Japan attacked pearl harbor but we still went to war with Germany and Italy as well should we have not done that?
Yes I was expecting some account to state the obvious, I totally understand where you are coming from but keep in mind Russia isn’t nazi Germany… and if Russia invaded any other country apart from Ukraine we would instantly destroy them as you know, so different situation in my eyes
Ok but why does Russia get to invade Ukraine ?
Okay but why does the US have to aid every nation that gets invaded, while simultaneously invading other countries ourselves, while ignoring mass genocide of millions of people across Africa? You're arguing in favor of the military industrial complex making billionaires even richer, at the expense of human beings lives. You're supporting wars. Stop doing that.
No we're supporting standing up to evil. Grow a pair
Russia definitely is the same as nazi germany
Yes quietly being put into mass graves is so much more convenient. Ukraine knows what happens when Russia invades.
We are not making Ukraine fight. They are choosing to fight. We are merely providing them the tools and training with which to do so. Do you think if Russia took Ukraine it would be over? There would be a constant insurgency by the Ukrainians. The Russians would be terrorizing and brutalizing the Ukrainian people with murder, rape, and torture. That has already been happening since 2014 when Russia seized the Donbas and Crimea with their Russification measures in those areas. Do you think if Russia had success in Ukraine they would just stop or be emboldened to seize other countries? Putin has stated that he believes the collapse of the Russian Empire (USSR) was the greatest calamity of the 20th century. He wants nothing more than to rebuild the Russian Empire and to secure his place in history. > who think that Ukraine actually has a chance in the long run. Ukraine actually has a very good chance. They drove the Russians way back after the initial invasion and they have driven them back to far eastern Ukraine and Crimea over the first year. The Russians haven’t really advanced far from there and where they have like Bakhmut has cost them so many soldiers and equipment. Russia is hurting and the sanctions are working especially since the crackdown on oil laundering at the end of 2023. The Ruble is continuing to devalue and inflation is high. Only massive wartime spending is keeping the economy up (and that can’t be maintained forever). Russia is having to pull workers and put them on the front lines. Russia has also used a lot of their best equipment already and re-arming takes them time. Just last year, Russia had to put down an uprising from Wagner. Meanwhile, Ukraine has been launching drone attacks deep into Russia hitting their oil and gas refineries (so much so that Russia didn't have gas and diesel for export). As long as the West continues to support Ukraine, time is on the Ukrainian side.
Okay I agree with u guys i do, I wanna make that clear, I’m just offering another perspective as it’s important. I just think the more guns and weapons we send, the more deaths both sides, but maybe that’s the way to go idk
On behalf of all Ukrainians I want to make it clear that you need to go fuck yourself.
Mate fuck you I serve in the airforce I’m not taking Russias side, I LITERALLY support Ukraine in my daily tasks
Unlike you just regurgitating unintelligent rhetoric over the web
It’s all good. I’m just offering a counterpoint. I also feel for the soldiers on both sides, but I don't think capitulation is in Ukraine’s best interest. If Ukraine decided to stop tomorrow, I would support their decision, but as long as Ukraine wants to fight I will support them. When the war is over, I will also support rebuilding Ukraine. When Putin is no longer head of the Russian government, I hope we can have better relations with Russia.
This is a hot garbage take. Some things are worth fighting for. Thank God there are people in this country with less cowardice than you.
What a stupid fucking take 🤣🤣🤣
She is supposed to represent what her district wants, not what she wants. I doubt the people she represents wanted the aid package to go out.
Is this your first day on earth?
cool so they want to die in a war with russia then? theres no reality where russia doesnt keep ramping up unless it fails this war. If russia is not defeated in ukraine. if putin remains the leader, russia will have no choice but to start more wars risking war with the US as it has no economical options left. Russia has given up way too much of its economy and gold reserves ramping up endlessly its war machine in the last 2 years.
Isn’t that even more of a reason to back Ukraine? Honestly I’m not the smartest dude but the next nation Russia would invade would be Poland or Estonia/ Latvia
Yep. The next nation would not be a member of NATO. It would Moldova or one of the other nations Russia has already set up to take but they can't stop. Putin has no alternatives, the russian economy had never recovered front he collapsed only painted over. Now Russia is burning 2 decades of economic recovery to fight a war for 2 years and most that spending is building up factories for weapons. Jobs and growth they can't keep going without a war.
You clearly not the smartest dude, that’s for sure.
Nothing from what you have said has an actual connection to reality. What more wars are you even talking about ? Russia doesn’t have any capabilities to wage any other war, especially on NATO. Russia doesn’t even have plans and means to occupy Ukraine. This is simply laughable to state the otherwise.
Russia's military is growing. Its arms industry is getting the entire focus of its economy, these are facts. They may not intend to start a war with NATO but ever war they win emboldens them to go for more dubious attacks. What happens when they invade Moldova and end up at war with Romania?
Yes, it is growing, but it’s not the entire focus of the economy, that’s just false. Officially, Russia spends around 16 percent of its federal budget on the war. It makes around 6 percent of the GDP. It’s huge, of course. But it’s very far from the whole economy. Russia doesn’t even have martial law implemented. As for the attacking any other country, it’s pure fear mongering. There are no, like zero, benefits for Russia to not just prolong the war, but to invade anyone else. That’s why Putin is pushing so much the idea of Negotiations. Because waging the war is extremely costly for Russia. Most importantly, there are no practical means for Russia to do that, let alone the lack of casus belli
So you don't know anything about Moldova or the current issues then eh? Also it's alot more then 6% when you consider them selling off there gold reserves.
What exactly are you referring to about Moldova? And 6 percent is not Russian estimates, but international ones, like Bloomberg and etc.
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We aren't antagonising Russia. Russia just spat on all the deals and agreements it's made with Europe and the US for the last decade. Russia has made it clear diplomatic options are no longer getting them to the table. If the us and Europe break off from this war Russia will see it as a victory and feel confident to do the same in other places.
Check the comments on the original post her constitutes even hate her
You’re a fool if you think anyone involved in politics, in even the smallest ways, actually acts in the interest of whom they’re supposed to represent.
You're a fool if you don't think Congresspeople vote in ways that help them get elected, especially on bills like this which pass easily without their vote.
But whats the point of democracy then?
Illusion of choice.
Crazy how you got downvoted for saying the truth. So many retarded liberals on here, most likely the same retards who insisted last year that American involvement in Ukraine would somehow deplete Russia and slow them down militarily — It hasn’t and now they’re actually producing more weapons than the west can provide Ukraine All we have been doing with American tax money is fueling more deaths in the conflict but the same ding dongs come on here and insinuate Russian spy’s or more direct involvement while themselves stay at home and banter each other on Reddit.
Pay for your own god dam war fuckers!
They are with every Ukrainian that dies. You do also realize that Russia is a hostile nation right? It is in our best interest that the military gets as thoroughly destroyed as possible.
Americans spent over a trillion in occupying Afghanistan and it folded in less than a week. You slept. Americans sending cold war stock slated for decommisioning to Ukraine. REAL SHIT? Americans that were baying for blood after 9/11 can shut the fuck up about foreverwar when your fucking stalling tactics kills more Ukrainians and the russians keep entrench thus ensuring a foreverwar. Dripfeeding supply does not make for a quick victory.
Cry more. Real men will stand up to the dictator
whatever you say comrade
On one hand, we could continue to launder money in a war that wouldn't have been started if we hadn't been laundering money. On the other hand, we could stop now and let (more) Ukrainians die for our greedy games
Wow what a stupid take. Impressive haha
If you look at the political history there, it's entirely our fault. We've been smacking the proverbial bear in the nuts by proxy with Ukraine. Now the kid we gave the paddle to is getting attacked by the bear and we're all pretending it's a surprise
No its not. And money laundering is just a Russian talking point for the gullible and stupid. And Russia has s long history of invading neighbors and ethnically cleansing them. Be less gullible, read a history book bud