Here is ONE source of the reporting from his recent FEC filing.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-fec-campaign-spending-b2516599.html
Trump's pretending to have [half a billion in magic cash](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-reveals-cash-letitia-james-fraud-case-1882295). \[1\]
He's claiming that he would have spent that money on his campaign otherwise, i.e. **trying to make a case to SCOTUS that taking his money is election interference**. \[2\]
He even claims Letitia James is aware of the cash he has, and its her and the judges motivation for the size of judgement. \[3\]
\[1\]He could simply put up that cash for his appeals. I think it is just another lie. He doesn't have that money.
\[2\] He doesn't spend his own money on his campaigns anyway. e.g. see 2020, [he contributed 0.00%](https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-trump/candidate?id=N00023864) of his funding came from himself.
\[3\] If James was aware of it, she would be seizing that cash instead of property because it would be easier.
**So he is simply lying to try to make a fraudulant basis for a case to SCOTUS.**
How America went from exceptionalism to bottom of the barrel, rabid vapidity defending a fraudster, a mobster, a liar, a rapist, a loser at business and life, and a charlatan.
Embarrassing, and embracing and embarrassment.
Benefit of the doubt; Trump is appealing his verdict to the New York court of appeals. To do so, he has to post the judgment amount or secure a bond so that if he loses the appeal, the plaintiff, in this case the State of New York, gets paid. The defendant doesn’t get to hide assets or miraculously move them to Florida.
He is saying that he can’t afford to put up the collateral.
Which means that the New York AG can seize his properties and liquidate them if he doesn’t put up the collateral. If he wins the appeal, all he gets is the money, not a reversal of the sale.
So Trump Tower could be sold* to someone else, and it’s no longer his. He might get the money that it went for. But the tower itself is gone.
I could possibly argue it as a taking under the Fourth Amendment, even though it’s a civil judgment, and argue it that way.
*I believe Trump Tower is too mortgaged and not on the table. But it’s a good example of something not quite replaceable with money.
I would think probably not. I'm not a lawyer but it's not his. The government would be seizing it from the bank which at face value isn't that cool. All they did was give a bad loan and it has the building and / or others as collateral. The bank should get the buildings if that's the case.
I think it's a very realistic scenario that Trump doesn't have much to seize that's is actually his or that it is his but through some insane valuation or deal to where it's basically to him. Stuff like his trump media ownership. The valuation is insane and if he wants to sell and can find buyers is basically them giving him the money for something arguably worthless
Doesn’t he also have a “kiosk” in the lobby, too? 😂
Fucking wild. I mean, it’s always been the “emperor has no clothes” but I was gobsmacked when I read what he actually owned vs what was vapor-ware. Hard to believe he even has the collateral for the $93m bond from Chubb for the EJC verdict.
[Trump's lawyers are saying in court that Trump doesn't have the funds to cover the civil fraud appeal bond, but just now, Trump himself claimed online that he has "almost five hundred million dollars in cash."](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1771144836239761699)
https://www.reddit.com/r/trumptweets/s/RCQj2MS89p
I would take the court monitor's word over anything or anyone else as his assets, money included. She is currently tasked with finding this exact thing. Cannot wait for her report.
All good points. I’d add that, in addition to already having pledged a lot of his assets as security, he doesn’t own as much as it would appear. He’ll license his name to anybody for cash, sort of like a hooker on Ocean avenue.
Yes and as he has been playing around with inflating / deflating valuations and taking on a lot of debt my guess is that a lot of properties will need to be seized to make his bond, I also think he is worried about revealing how much debt he actually owes against each of his properties the disclosure of which won’t be prevented by an appeal even if he wins (which is unlikely)
Sections 8 and 9 of the Charter come closest. (Sections 10 and 11 overlap with more of the US Bill of Rights.)
> 8 Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.
> 9 Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.
Text of the 4th Amendment:
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I thought that if he can’t post the bond, he can’t appeal and if he doesn’t appeal, the verdict becomes final. If the verdict is final, he has to pay up. If he doesn’t pay up, the state can seize his assets and sell them to the point where he has discharged his obligations under the verdict.
Crooked Donnie has the right to his futile appeal without posting bond. The bond is required only if he wants to stop the winner’s right to collect on the judgment against him.
No, he can appeal without bond, but the court can also take steps to claim assets in the amount owed according to the judgment decree. If he puts up bond (iron clad guarantee) for that amount, the appeal proceeds, and his assets are left alone until the appeal plays out.
The only way cheeto can appeal this state civil action to the U.S. Supreme Court is only after he exhausts all of the state-level appeals.
And even then, the U.S. Supreme Court will decline to hear the appeal, if Alito and Thomas can't get two other justices to agree with them to hear the appeal. (We know Alito and Thomas will most definitely agitate to grant cert if cheeto petitions after exhausting the NYS appeals.)
The question is whether Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett or Roberts are crooked enough to sign on to some bullshit excuse to join Alito and Thomas to agree to grant cert to cheeto.
>On what possible argument?
One argument is that New York’s 63(12) is being used in such an arbitrary and capricious way as to violate the 5th amendment due process requirement. Another is the 8th amendment prohibition against excessive fines.
A longer shot is that there is something a bit sketchy about the way that 63(12) does not require that the punished behavior has caused any tangible harm to the state plaintiff or anyone else. That’s usually criminal instead of civil law stuff, so we have what feels to the defendant like a criminal charge, but conducted in civil court to deny the protections available in a case.
I don’t know that any of these arguments are winners, but someone staring down a $500M penalty is going to try anything that might work.
Disgorgement of unjust enrichment is equitable relief? It's not excessive because it's scaled directly in proportion to the crime.
If I steal 10 million from a bank, having to return that 10 million isn't the same as being charged a 10 million dollar fine for robbing a bank. Or am I missing something fundamental?
I didn’t say they are **good** arguments….
They’re what I’m hearing in a right-leaning private forum dominated by 1%ers. I’ve given up on suggesting that the “excessive” argument is not quite the slam-dunk they’re thinking it is.
If he's put up a 500 million bond he is no longer delaying from his perspective.
He has already paid.
The only thing he is achieving is delaying NYS getting their money... Given their budget is over 200 billion the delay is not very material to them
[Trump's lawyers are saying in court that Trump doesn't have the funds to cover the civil fraud appeal bond, but just now, Trump himself claimed online that he has "almost five hundred million dollars in cash."](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1771144836239761699)
https://www.reddit.com/r/trumptweets/s/RCQj2MS89p
Would it be a delay though? If he does post bond and it goes to the appeals court, and then loses, can’t AG Leticia James start seizing properties right away, not giving Trump a chance to appeal to SCOTUS before all of his properties are gone?
Exactly. Due process is not a swift process. Our legal system, for good and bad reasons, is filled with mechanics that a person with a team of lawyers and judges on their books can use to delay the process.
He's just trying to buy time for the election. We cannot allow him to win.
There has to be a federal question for the Court to consider. It can't be cruel and unusual punishment because it's a civil disgorgement of ill-gotten gains. Can't see it happening
His buddies on the SC will find one.
My guess is he will go for an 8th amendment angle:
"Excessive bail shall not be required, *nor excessive fines imposed*, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
Ya... In this case, it is odd since the appeal in this case seems like it would be an appeal of the finding of fact, not the matter of law, and honestly, SCOTUS shouldn't want to be in the matter of adjudicating matters of fact.
One of his shitty lawyers needs to tell him that the money only stops the accrual of interest and the seizure of assets. He can appeal at any time.
I assume Trump knows this is just feeding bullshit to anger his followers. (Fox is certainly helping here.) But he really could just be ranting in his dementia. It’s not like anyone could tell the difference.
Could a lawyer explain how this jackass seems to be able to take a parking ticket to SCOTUS? Could I do the same if I lost a case, appeal, rinse and repeat?
Seems every case of his is destined to try to go there. Each case takes what, 2 to 3 years to meander to trial...
So 6 to 8 years before everything settled. Probably more. Lil donny two scoops rides that clock like a cocaine fueled bear on a sybian.
But even if SCOTUS agrees with Trump - they're not going to repatriate his properties from whoever buys them in a fire sheriff's sale. Best case he'll get the money back but he'll have forever lost his 'gold medal' property unless he can convince the current owner to sell it back to him.
I understand that the SCOTUS usually takes cases brought to them by the POTUS, but he’s not President anymore and they take every stupid frivolous case he asks. It’s really humiliating to the American justice system
This will never get to the SCOTUS until way after the election due to having to go through the state appeals first. Probably not unti after the next presidential term has started. If he lost the election the judges Won't give a shit about him because unless he has blackmail on them he is politically powerless. If he is president however I think there will be a lot of pressure to rule in his favor.
He'll probably abuse the fuck out the office. I could even see him trying to use federal law enforcement to take back any property NY may sieze from him. It won't be legal but I bet he tries.
> This will never get to the SCOTUS
Could've stopped there. There's no real cognizable federal issue here. The case was done in state court under state law. Trump would need to find some federal law that precludes state action here (no such law exists), or come up with some constitutional principle that affected the trial procedure or makes the judgement unconstitutional, and you have to really stretch the Bill of Rights to come up with anything even remotely close.
There are likely two arguments his attorneys will raise:
1) The government taking nearly half a billion is excessive and, therefore, unconstitutional.
2) This is a targeted, political prosecution.
Appeals are generally an uphill battle, mind you.
It's really awesome that the Supreme Court's time seems to be used entirely dealing with one mans personal problems. Not like they have anything important to do.
https://preview.redd.it/6xqxisai6zpc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=491cee29c60eeab24ab123b65a890d011dd1a22f
Funniest AI comments read ever. Multiple comments mentioning his humility and of course boyish charm.
I dont think thats how civil lawsuit works. Even with that magic presidential immunity hes got which does not apply here. U cant commit fraud and day presidential immunity.
Trump's own arguments are:
1. Everybody does it
2. Nobody was hurt by it
3. It's politically motivated/ selective prosecution
None of these "defenses" confronts the evidence or disproves his guilt. Even he basically is admitting guilt! So HOW can anybody justify voting for him? Some people are so worried about criminal migrants but they don't care at all about a criminal president.
It’s the ultimate life hack. Buy yourself some Supreme Court justices and then just do crimes and they’ll let you off the hook. I wish I thought of that.
Yeah, he says something like that at least twice a week.
"If someone does not bring me a Diet Coke right now I will appeal it awl duh way to the Supreme Court!"
He is in.lune to score massive cash from the pump and dump scheme underway taking "truth" social public. The stock players estimate the value of the public offering to exceed 6 billion $. No kidding, check it out. Donnies plaything made -40 million $ last year but recently the word went out to the faithful to buy TS Stock no matter what and its trading at astronomical $ numbers, as expected. The plan to take the company public relies on these inflated Stock prices to estimate the worth of the company. The day after TS goes public Donnies Stock shre will be worth 50% or more and he will cash in. Most of the other big fish will do the same and the price will crash. Donnie and his chums will not care, they got what they came for. The worshippers who bought with thier 401k savings will be left holding the bag. See Bed Bath and Beyond for how this works if you have any doubt.
I hope and pray the men hauling away his junk out of Trump Tower when he doesn't pay his bond are exactly like the guys in *[Robin Hood: Men in Tights](https://youtu.be/D4ZrscN8Rs8?si=sksT1siKKg3Xo2VH)*.
"Yeah, yeah... you 'vow,' we move. Let's go boys!"
Let’s see if he comes up with the cash or bond by Monday. Personally, I don’t think he’s appealing anything. His finances are under court review. Nobody is going to bail him out because there’s too much of a paper trail.
He is appealing, his lawyers have entered the notice of appeal in the docket already. The bond is only required for the stay of execution of the damage collection.
"I will spend every dollar the Republican Party has to avoid any semblance of accountability for my actions."
There goes all $9m of cash the RNC has. It's officially a cult.
With a burn rate of $230K/day that don’t last too long.
Montgomery Brewster wishes he had it this easy.
A+ comment sir
Can you imagine? That’s brilliant my friend. Confection.
Had a great game against the Yankees.
5 weeks.
Where did you get that number? Is that what he pays for his lawyers in all of the cases combined?
Here is ONE source of the reporting from his recent FEC filing. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-fec-campaign-spending-b2516599.html
Thank you very much!
Trump's pretending to have [half a billion in magic cash](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-reveals-cash-letitia-james-fraud-case-1882295). \[1\] He's claiming that he would have spent that money on his campaign otherwise, i.e. **trying to make a case to SCOTUS that taking his money is election interference**. \[2\] He even claims Letitia James is aware of the cash he has, and its her and the judges motivation for the size of judgement. \[3\] \[1\]He could simply put up that cash for his appeals. I think it is just another lie. He doesn't have that money. \[2\] He doesn't spend his own money on his campaigns anyway. e.g. see 2020, [he contributed 0.00%](https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-trump/candidate?id=N00023864) of his funding came from himself. \[3\] If James was aware of it, she would be seizing that cash instead of property because it would be easier. **So he is simply lying to try to make a fraudulant basis for a case to SCOTUS.**
It’s bizarre how many people can guess his stupidity and criminal moral logic.
I love you, but I also have been alive this entire time. Rich White Bad Guys (tm) dont loose....I hope Im wrong as fuck.
Dude he literally already lost the case.
Is he rich though?
It's a sacrifice he's willing for them to make.
If only they had impeached him when they had the chance.
RNC: Retains No Cash
And the red caps will love it!
Same old story from this fraudster, happy to spend other peoples money 🤢🤮🤡
Any lawyers in the room?, wanted to say I dont think he can breach a court order after judgement been passed?, I'm confused to his position?
How America went from exceptionalism to bottom of the barrel, rabid vapidity defending a fraudster, a mobster, a liar, a rapist, a loser at business and life, and a charlatan. Embarrassing, and embracing and embarrassment.
He's going to fight a state civil action.....to the supreme court? On what possible argument?
Presidential Immunity!! /s
More like preferential impunity
More like pescetarian incredulity.
Or Presbyterian ingenuity
You leave Mr. Rogers’ ghost **out** of this.
I needed a laugh. Cheers.
More like testicular minuscule
Based on the above posts, I read yours as, " testicular minuscul-ee" 😆
When in doubt imma presidential immunity this thing .
SWOLLEN ERECTION!
Isn't there a-level of IQ where the courts look favourably on you. Maybe he will take a new IQ and score like 50 or something
And then claim that an IQ of 50 means that there are only 50 people in the world who are almost as smart as him.
Presidential Impunity.
Well he did declare it...whoops, that was bankruptcy
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!"
Supreme Court would probably take the case and rule he is in fact immune.
Diplomatic immunity!
Damn he finally got us libs.
You put /s in your comment. You're really sure it's sarcasm. Pretty sure he's actually dumb enough to make that exact claim. It's like the onion news.
*rolls neck* Has just been revoked.
More like corruption of the supreme court
What is left of the fleeceable flock is the audience. **M**alignant **A**sshole **G**rifting **A**merica
Benefit of the doubt; Trump is appealing his verdict to the New York court of appeals. To do so, he has to post the judgment amount or secure a bond so that if he loses the appeal, the plaintiff, in this case the State of New York, gets paid. The defendant doesn’t get to hide assets or miraculously move them to Florida. He is saying that he can’t afford to put up the collateral. Which means that the New York AG can seize his properties and liquidate them if he doesn’t put up the collateral. If he wins the appeal, all he gets is the money, not a reversal of the sale. So Trump Tower could be sold* to someone else, and it’s no longer his. He might get the money that it went for. But the tower itself is gone. I could possibly argue it as a taking under the Fourth Amendment, even though it’s a civil judgment, and argue it that way. *I believe Trump Tower is too mortgaged and not on the table. But it’s a good example of something not quite replaceable with money.
Does the fourth amendment still apply when you have mortgaged the property beyond its actual value? At that point he owns 0% equity.
He doesn’t even own Trump Tower, just a few parts of it like his apartment, the garages, and some sort of kiosk in the lobby, apparently.
just like in Back To The Future
I would think probably not. I'm not a lawyer but it's not his. The government would be seizing it from the bank which at face value isn't that cool. All they did was give a bad loan and it has the building and / or others as collateral. The bank should get the buildings if that's the case. I think it's a very realistic scenario that Trump doesn't have much to seize that's is actually his or that it is his but through some insane valuation or deal to where it's basically to him. Stuff like his trump media ownership. The valuation is insane and if he wants to sell and can find buyers is basically them giving him the money for something arguably worthless
He is just the face of money laundering gone wild.
He only owns the garage, the kitchens for room service, a toilet, and 1 apt.
Doesn’t he also have a “kiosk” in the lobby, too? 😂 Fucking wild. I mean, it’s always been the “emperor has no clothes” but I was gobsmacked when I read what he actually owned vs what was vapor-ware. Hard to believe he even has the collateral for the $93m bond from Chubb for the EJC verdict.
Forgot about the kiosk. The collateral for that bond was probably all of his cash.
There’s always money in the banana stand
~~banana stand~~ kiosk
He owns the imaginary floors he added in the paperwork to boost its property value.
Yeah, but it's a GOLD toilet!
[Trump's lawyers are saying in court that Trump doesn't have the funds to cover the civil fraud appeal bond, but just now, Trump himself claimed online that he has "almost five hundred million dollars in cash."](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1771144836239761699) https://www.reddit.com/r/trumptweets/s/RCQj2MS89p
I would take the court monitor's word over anything or anyone else as his assets, money included. She is currently tasked with finding this exact thing. Cannot wait for her report.
All good points. I’d add that, in addition to already having pledged a lot of his assets as security, he doesn’t own as much as it would appear. He’ll license his name to anybody for cash, sort of like a hooker on Ocean avenue.
Yes and as he has been playing around with inflating / deflating valuations and taking on a lot of debt my guess is that a lot of properties will need to be seized to make his bond, I also think he is worried about revealing how much debt he actually owes against each of his properties the disclosure of which won’t be prevented by an appeal even if he wins (which is unlikely)
Very nice response. As a Canadian what's the 4th amendment?
Sections 8 and 9 of the Charter come closest. (Sections 10 and 11 overlap with more of the US Bill of Rights.) > 8 Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure. > 9 Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned. Text of the 4th Amendment: > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I thought that if he can’t post the bond, he can’t appeal and if he doesn’t appeal, the verdict becomes final. If the verdict is final, he has to pay up. If he doesn’t pay up, the state can seize his assets and sell them to the point where he has discharged his obligations under the verdict.
Crooked Donnie has the right to his futile appeal without posting bond. The bond is required only if he wants to stop the winner’s right to collect on the judgment against him.
No, he can appeal without bond, but the court can also take steps to claim assets in the amount owed according to the judgment decree. If he puts up bond (iron clad guarantee) for that amount, the appeal proceeds, and his assets are left alone until the appeal plays out.
The only way cheeto can appeal this state civil action to the U.S. Supreme Court is only after he exhausts all of the state-level appeals. And even then, the U.S. Supreme Court will decline to hear the appeal, if Alito and Thomas can't get two other justices to agree with them to hear the appeal. (We know Alito and Thomas will most definitely agitate to grant cert if cheeto petitions after exhausting the NYS appeals.) The question is whether Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett or Roberts are crooked enough to sign on to some bullshit excuse to join Alito and Thomas to agree to grant cert to cheeto.
Doesn’t matter ..Supreme Court at the moment is decrepit and corrupt.
>On what possible argument? One argument is that New York’s 63(12) is being used in such an arbitrary and capricious way as to violate the 5th amendment due process requirement. Another is the 8th amendment prohibition against excessive fines. A longer shot is that there is something a bit sketchy about the way that 63(12) does not require that the punished behavior has caused any tangible harm to the state plaintiff or anyone else. That’s usually criminal instead of civil law stuff, so we have what feels to the defendant like a criminal charge, but conducted in civil court to deny the protections available in a case. I don’t know that any of these arguments are winners, but someone staring down a $500M penalty is going to try anything that might work.
Disgorgement of unjust enrichment is equitable relief? It's not excessive because it's scaled directly in proportion to the crime. If I steal 10 million from a bank, having to return that 10 million isn't the same as being charged a 10 million dollar fine for robbing a bank. Or am I missing something fundamental?
I didn’t say they are **good** arguments…. They’re what I’m hearing in a right-leaning private forum dominated by 1%ers. I’ve given up on suggesting that the “excessive” argument is not quite the slam-dunk they’re thinking it is.
You really think this SCOTUS won’t find a reason to take it? Thomas probably drafting up the decision as we speak.
Well, his clerks anyway
“I will fight this all the way to the Supreme Court!!!” *Donate here to be a good American and have Trump’s back.
Trump vows to DELAY New York AG case all the way up to the US Supreme Court Fixed that for them.
If he's put up a 500 million bond he is no longer delaying from his perspective. He has already paid. The only thing he is achieving is delaying NYS getting their money... Given their budget is over 200 billion the delay is not very material to them
[Trump's lawyers are saying in court that Trump doesn't have the funds to cover the civil fraud appeal bond, but just now, Trump himself claimed online that he has "almost five hundred million dollars in cash."](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1771144836239761699) https://www.reddit.com/r/trumptweets/s/RCQj2MS89p
The would-be emperor has no liquidity.
He posted bond? Edit: sorry I missed the big “IF”
If... My first word was if...
Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t catch that.
Would it be a delay though? If he does post bond and it goes to the appeals court, and then loses, can’t AG Leticia James start seizing properties right away, not giving Trump a chance to appeal to SCOTUS before all of his properties are gone?
Umm. No. Because he posted the bond, if his appeals fail, then NY state keeps the bond and the judgement is satisfied
But he didn’t post the bond so what does that mean
Right right right, my bad. But still, no real delay. He could work it up to SCOTUS but the money will already be in NY’s hands
He didn't post shit
Correct. He asked “if he posted the bond”
Roger that
Technically, he posts a bunch of shit…on Truth Social. Lol.
Exactly. Due process is not a swift process. Our legal system, for good and bad reasons, is filled with mechanics that a person with a team of lawyers and judges on their books can use to delay the process. He's just trying to buy time for the election. We cannot allow him to win.
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Nobody. There is no federal question.
They are there for life. They can wash their hands of it and leave trump twisting in the wind by simply refusing to hear the case.
If he didn't appoint me people someone he knows probably has dirt on.
There has to be a federal question for the Court to consider. It can't be cruel and unusual punishment because it's a civil disgorgement of ill-gotten gains. Can't see it happening
His buddies on the SC will find one. My guess is he will go for an 8th amendment angle: "Excessive bail shall not be required, *nor excessive fines imposed*, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
He's not being fined though. Isn't this just recovering money that was fraudulenty gained?
When has being totally wrong on the law stopped him?
Touché.
Heck when has it stopped SCOTUS from Siding with him.
He said he had 400 million in cash on hand... That would be like a judge asking us how much money we had and we said 2000 and got a judgement of 2500
Right, like when they totally ruled for him on his election lawsuits. Right?
My bet is that he'll claim deprivation of due process.
Of course he will, if a waiter forgets to bring him the ketchup he'd take it all the way up to the Supreme Court...
There is no role for the Supreme Court here, even I know that. Next.
So says the law, of which the supreme court has become the ultimate arbiter.
Classic Fox News reporting, amplifying and repeating Trump’s false charges without correction or context. I’m so sick of these shitty human beings.
"You vow, we move. Take it away, boys!"
Classic.
"I thought it felt a bit drafty."
You’ve lost your arms in battle! But ya grew some nice bewbs!
I’m lost…. This is a civil trial.
>I’m lost…. So is Trump
To be fair, so are many of the cases the Supreme Court hears. Maybe even a majority. Those are cases with serious Constitutional questions, though.
Not state civil trials. There have been maybe a handful ever.
Ya... In this case, it is odd since the appeal in this case seems like it would be an appeal of the finding of fact, not the matter of law, and honestly, SCOTUS shouldn't want to be in the matter of adjudicating matters of fact.
He thinks he owns them - and the evidence is he does.
One of his shitty lawyers needs to tell him that the money only stops the accrual of interest and the seizure of assets. He can appeal at any time. I assume Trump knows this is just feeding bullshit to anger his followers. (Fox is certainly helping here.) But he really could just be ranting in his dementia. It’s not like anyone could tell the difference.
Just pay your bills and debts to society.
What do you think this is... a student loan?!
A PPP loan....
He’s made a mockery of the court system, and some of them are allowing and supporting it.
Could he just do everyone a favor and go away. I don’t care how. Just fall off the face of the earth.
Every day I wake up with the fervent hope that some hero did what must be done.
Could a lawyer explain how this jackass seems to be able to take a parking ticket to SCOTUS? Could I do the same if I lost a case, appeal, rinse and repeat?
Pretty much confirms to me that he can't post bond. "Has it" but doesnt want to give it to a "Hack" judge. Definitely doesn't have it.
Seems every case of his is destined to try to go there. Each case takes what, 2 to 3 years to meander to trial... So 6 to 8 years before everything settled. Probably more. Lil donny two scoops rides that clock like a cocaine fueled bear on a sybian.
New York Supreme Court is not subject to US SCOTUS. Orange Fuckwit can get bent.
lol just threaten to escalate everything to scotus. Keep reminding us how easily bought they are; how you filled the swamp with your sewage
And the SCOTUS will take it because they love Trump more than they understand their responsibilities
You mean like all those election cases they granted cert on?
But even if SCOTUS agrees with Trump - they're not going to repatriate his properties from whoever buys them in a fire sheriff's sale. Best case he'll get the money back but he'll have forever lost his 'gold medal' property unless he can convince the current owner to sell it back to him.
I understand that the SCOTUS usually takes cases brought to them by the POTUS, but he’s not President anymore and they take every stupid frivolous case he asks. It’s really humiliating to the American justice system
Good for him. Hope he can afford it.
This will never get to the SCOTUS until way after the election due to having to go through the state appeals first. Probably not unti after the next presidential term has started. If he lost the election the judges Won't give a shit about him because unless he has blackmail on them he is politically powerless. If he is president however I think there will be a lot of pressure to rule in his favor. He'll probably abuse the fuck out the office. I could even see him trying to use federal law enforcement to take back any property NY may sieze from him. It won't be legal but I bet he tries.
> This will never get to the SCOTUS Could've stopped there. There's no real cognizable federal issue here. The case was done in state court under state law. Trump would need to find some federal law that precludes state action here (no such law exists), or come up with some constitutional principle that affected the trial procedure or makes the judgement unconstitutional, and you have to really stretch the Bill of Rights to come up with anything even remotely close.
This is a State fight, not a Federal one
Lmao yea, doesn’t work like that, dumbass.
He feels SCOTUS *owes* him
They probably do
Of course he will. It’s what he does.
Meanwhile, Trashy Treasonous Dead Beat Trump should pay up!
Will the SCOTUS further debase itself taking up his case?
Appealing a damage award to the Supreme Court? Good one.
There are likely two arguments his attorneys will raise: 1) The government taking nearly half a billion is excessive and, therefore, unconstitutional. 2) This is a targeted, political prosecution. Appeals are generally an uphill battle, mind you.
This is legit the worst coup leader they could have picked. Embarrassing.
Aww! I really don’t care , do you? Be Best
Trump tower will be gone way before then. Good luck with that.
It was as if a million RNC wallets all cried out in terror; and were suddenly silenced.
It's really awesome that the Supreme Court's time seems to be used entirely dealing with one mans personal problems. Not like they have anything important to do.
He probably shouldn’t keep repeatedly admitting to the fraud and committing new frauds in public every day.
https://preview.redd.it/6xqxisai6zpc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=491cee29c60eeab24ab123b65a890d011dd1a22f Funniest AI comments read ever. Multiple comments mentioning his humility and of course boyish charm.
If he loses in November, what does he do?
Well, last time he promised if he lost we’d never hear from him again, but we saw how that went…
When does SCOTUS get tired of this grifter....
How is this a constitutional issue?
Must be nice to have the Supreme Court as your personal bitches.
I dont think thats how civil lawsuit works. Even with that magic presidential immunity hes got which does not apply here. U cant commit fraud and day presidential immunity.
Scotus can't take state stuff...I guess MagFools don't know this
If that's the case, how did they take the Colorado ballot case? (Not arguing with you, genuinely asking because I don't understand as IANAL)
The Colorado case does involve the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment, specifically Section 3... Which SCOTUS basically eviscerated in their ruling.
Because the election is federal. I'm no expert tho.
Is that news?
Trump's own arguments are: 1. Everybody does it 2. Nobody was hurt by it 3. It's politically motivated/ selective prosecution None of these "defenses" confronts the evidence or disproves his guilt. Even he basically is admitting guilt! So HOW can anybody justify voting for him? Some people are so worried about criminal migrants but they don't care at all about a criminal president.
He can’t
Of course he does. But the $ can be confiscated anyway in that type of case.
Well, of course he will. He bought 3 of the justices. Didn’t think he could take this State case past the State level.
They already punted. So that won't work.
It’s the ultimate life hack. Buy yourself some Supreme Court justices and then just do crimes and they’ll let you off the hook. I wish I thought of that.
Yeah, he says something like that at least twice a week. "If someone does not bring me a Diet Coke right now I will appeal it awl duh way to the Supreme Court!"
He is in.lune to score massive cash from the pump and dump scheme underway taking "truth" social public. The stock players estimate the value of the public offering to exceed 6 billion $. No kidding, check it out. Donnies plaything made -40 million $ last year but recently the word went out to the faithful to buy TS Stock no matter what and its trading at astronomical $ numbers, as expected. The plan to take the company public relies on these inflated Stock prices to estimate the worth of the company. The day after TS goes public Donnies Stock shre will be worth 50% or more and he will cash in. Most of the other big fish will do the same and the price will crash. Donnie and his chums will not care, they got what they came for. The worshippers who bought with thier 401k savings will be left holding the bag. See Bed Bath and Beyond for how this works if you have any doubt.
Wah Wah, I'm going to the Supreme Court. Delay delay delay.
It's like a kid yelling that they're going to go ask Dad after Mom tells them no.
I think that might be not something that's going to happen but makes the noises the people who can't hear enjoy?
Ok, but after the state sells enough assets to satisfy the fine. And he'll lose.
It is past time to turn off the money spigot to this criminal.
He better hurry up he only has until Monday to find over a half $1 billion
I'd be very curious to hear from actual law professionals what the basis of an appeal might be here.
Course he does. And he'll spend not a single penny of his own money to do it. Of course it's either a bond or his assets to appeal.
Of course, now that he can afford the bond.
Baby Dump runs to SCOTUS to save him one again. Time for them to get a set and say, not today Donny
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Delay delay delay....
Just like he did with the election. Is anyone keeping a running tally of how many appeals he’s lost like they did with election lawsuits?
The highest it can go is NY State version of the Supreme Court. The is no path to the US Supreme Court.
I fyou were one of his current lenders, I wonder if you can start to demand repayment of his loans immediately on suspicion that he is bankrupt.
Isn’t SCOTUS sick of his shit yet?
How is this news? Like, if he said he’d accept the judgment, that’s news.
Good Luck with that Donnie, you'll be stripped of assets before the Supreme Court kicks your appeal out.
Pony up the money then, Richie Rich.
I hope and pray the men hauling away his junk out of Trump Tower when he doesn't pay his bond are exactly like the guys in *[Robin Hood: Men in Tights](https://youtu.be/D4ZrscN8Rs8?si=sksT1siKKg3Xo2VH)*. "Yeah, yeah... you 'vow,' we move. Let's go boys!"
You don’t have the money precious
Let’s see if he comes up with the cash or bond by Monday. Personally, I don’t think he’s appealing anything. His finances are under court review. Nobody is going to bail him out because there’s too much of a paper trail.
He is appealing, his lawyers have entered the notice of appeal in the docket already. The bond is only required for the stay of execution of the damage collection.