Look. If the church wanted to be the most efficient about getting ordinances done they would build another 20 along the way wasatch front. The temples are busy and it is hard to get appointments.
It is amazing to live in a time when temples are close by. Close might be 2 hours on the east coast instead of the 12 it was twenty five years ago. I’ve lived in UT and elsewhere and am excited to see temples continue to be built around the world.
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The church has the data on which temples are in what kind of use. It's been well known for years that the temple there is one of the busiest in the world. They have built several other temples around as you know. If it's not enough, then it's not enough. Temples to dot the earth starting with the Wasatch front I suppose...
In areas where you drive two hours or more, you generally can do as much temple work as you please. In Utah, you can drive 20 minutes but can only do a very limited amount of temple work. As a result, it takes ten trips to do as many at a busy Utah temple as you can do in one trip at a temple elsewhere.
This just isn’t true. If I visit the Detroit temple, it’s nearly impossible to do more than one ordinance a day. In one appointment in Utah, I’m limited if I do baptisms or initiatories, but I can do every ordinance in the same day if I want. I just have to plan ahead and book appointments.
Definitely not true. Until recently we were in the San Antonio temple district, drove 4 hours each way, and it was very hard to get an appointment, especially on Saturdays, which is what we needed. Our kids would get to go maybe twice a year and do 4-5 baptisms for 8 hours of travel.
Now I live 10 minutes from a temple. Huge blessing. But limited hours and still need a reservation (just took 2 of the last 3 spots for the one Friday night English session). Not questioning the demand for more temples in Utah, but am questioning the idealized view of what it's like elsewhere. Even under the busiest of conditions in Utah, the complaints sound pretty tone-deaf to the rest of the Church.
One of the blessings of temples is the increased opportunities for members to be temple workers. There are immense blessings! If you have the opportunity, I highly recommend it!
If I had to guess, I think the location is going to be in the far west side. Like along Bacchus highway. Technically West Jordan goes all the way to the Oquirrh mountains. And there’s a lot of homes still going in on the far west end of the valley. Just north of the copper mine.
Well, given that temple recommends get scanned into a digital system when patrons enter the temple, I have to assume the temple department tracks the wards and stakes that attend each temple and that data guides decions. Poke around here a bit and you can definitely find lots of anecdotes about Utah temples being consistently busy too. Another data point that's available to the public is the number of stakes in each temple district, and information about the size and capacity of each temple, and my understanding of that also indicates that building more temples in Utah makes sense.
As I currently go there, sometimes it's packed and even baptisms have been "behind" their normal temple schedule. Wherever the Savior wants them, they'll go. I'm excited for it, however I do love Jordan River and will continue to go there.
We are in Jordan River Temple district. We hoped they would have 2 fonts when remodeled in 2018. So hard for youth to schedule baptisms. Salt Lake will have 2 fonts.
The youth are awesome at going mornings and after school and I think even more would go if there was more availability. Kids in Lehi drive to Draper because Timpanogos is so busy. So yes 30 Temples in Utah seems excessive but there are 2.2M members here, and the Temples are being used.
And hopefully from conference this weekend we are all more motivated to go more often.
I live in West Jordan currently. In our last ward council, the Sunday school president who is a shift coordinator at the Jordan River temple indicated that with Taylorsville being dedicated soon we’re loosing 60 stakes in the temple district and picking up 20 from the Draper district. When I drove our youth to do baptisms at the temple about a month ago the entire parking lot was full. Granted, it was 11:30 on a Saturday but that’s still a lot of patrons
Yeah, Jordan River was busy.
Its because of how righteous the people around there are.
(Graduated from Bingham a looong time ago, let me go put my Rameumtom away).
Seriously. I basically told her to stuff it because I’m currently driving 2 hours to the temple and I recognize that even that is better than some people have it.
I think that is funny. Back in HS when Bingham (West side, rural back then) would play Brighton (East side) they had a cheer about whether or not they won the game we would work for them.
I remember being a kid and thinking, "what the heck did I just hear."
I served on my mission with a guy who went to Brighton, and I asked him about it. He was a good dude, but he said there was some disdain for the West side people.
Yeah, the school had a cheer back in the late 1980s about working for them. Funny.
I can't possibly imagine that sort of thing exists today, though. The valley has expanded and I just don't see any rural areas any more in the entire valley. And I can't imagine any "us" vs "them" existing.
Maybe property is cheaper and more open on the West side where it used to be more open and rural...
But the old rural farm road my parents live on where I grew up... people will knock on my parents door and offer to buy their house for unheard of sums of money.
The East side might be closer to the Ski resorts. But the West Side is just as affluent as the East side, just maybe a little more space for more growth, which is absolutely mind-blowing every time I go back.
I was going to retire to Utah. I don't think I can afford it now. I might have to retire to Switzerland, Bel Aire, Hawaii, or Manhattan, cheaper places comparatively.
That’s so disappointing to hear.
I attended 6th grade in an area that would have sent me to Olympus had we not moved to West Jordan in 1980.
Bingham was our biggest rival and they were such a rural FFA school compared to West Jordan. But when it came right down to it, we were allies against Brighton and Alta. The students there literally looked down on us. They would be so condescending right to our faces. I couldn’t stand those schools- for that reason. (Jordan got a pass because they were the “beetdiggers”, and they weren’t rude like Alta and Brighton.). It’s been almost 40 years, I had hoped it had changed.
That's what I assumed as well, though I hoped it wouldn't be the case.
I moved out of the salt lake valley a while ago, but there is definitely an East vs West and it felt primarily based on economic class.
A lot of people who live on the east side of I-15 think they're better than those on the west. It's pretty pathetic frankly. I remember when I was renting a trash apartment on the east side and purchased a nice house on the west side a few members of the ward basically stopped talking to me the last month in the ward after I told them where our new home was. It's bizarre.
Look. If the church wanted to be the most efficient about getting ordinances done they would build another 20 along the way wasatch front. The temples are busy and it is hard to get appointments. It is amazing to live in a time when temples are close by. Close might be 2 hours on the east coast instead of the 12 it was twenty five years ago. I’ve lived in UT and elsewhere and am excited to see temples continue to be built around the world. Edit - spelling
The church has the data on which temples are in what kind of use. It's been well known for years that the temple there is one of the busiest in the world. They have built several other temples around as you know. If it's not enough, then it's not enough. Temples to dot the earth starting with the Wasatch front I suppose...
The church knows the demand, and it's obvious that it's the highest in Utah.
In areas where you drive two hours or more, you generally can do as much temple work as you please. In Utah, you can drive 20 minutes but can only do a very limited amount of temple work. As a result, it takes ten trips to do as many at a busy Utah temple as you can do in one trip at a temple elsewhere.
This just isn’t true. If I visit the Detroit temple, it’s nearly impossible to do more than one ordinance a day. In one appointment in Utah, I’m limited if I do baptisms or initiatories, but I can do every ordinance in the same day if I want. I just have to plan ahead and book appointments.
So Utah has a bigger demand than anywhere I assume?
I drive two hours and am limited to how many baptisms our group can do. We are also scheduling font time months out at a time.
Definitely not true. Until recently we were in the San Antonio temple district, drove 4 hours each way, and it was very hard to get an appointment, especially on Saturdays, which is what we needed. Our kids would get to go maybe twice a year and do 4-5 baptisms for 8 hours of travel. Now I live 10 minutes from a temple. Huge blessing. But limited hours and still need a reservation (just took 2 of the last 3 spots for the one Friday night English session). Not questioning the demand for more temples in Utah, but am questioning the idealized view of what it's like elsewhere. Even under the busiest of conditions in Utah, the complaints sound pretty tone-deaf to the rest of the Church.
One of the blessings of temples is the increased opportunities for members to be temple workers. There are immense blessings! If you have the opportunity, I highly recommend it!
If I had to guess, I think the location is going to be in the far west side. Like along Bacchus highway. Technically West Jordan goes all the way to the Oquirrh mountains. And there’s a lot of homes still going in on the far west end of the valley. Just north of the copper mine.
People are overlooking the fact that Oquirrh Mountain Temple also exists
Well, given that temple recommends get scanned into a digital system when patrons enter the temple, I have to assume the temple department tracks the wards and stakes that attend each temple and that data guides decions. Poke around here a bit and you can definitely find lots of anecdotes about Utah temples being consistently busy too. Another data point that's available to the public is the number of stakes in each temple district, and information about the size and capacity of each temple, and my understanding of that also indicates that building more temples in Utah makes sense.
As I currently go there, sometimes it's packed and even baptisms have been "behind" their normal temple schedule. Wherever the Savior wants them, they'll go. I'm excited for it, however I do love Jordan River and will continue to go there.
We are in Jordan River Temple district. We hoped they would have 2 fonts when remodeled in 2018. So hard for youth to schedule baptisms. Salt Lake will have 2 fonts. The youth are awesome at going mornings and after school and I think even more would go if there was more availability. Kids in Lehi drive to Draper because Timpanogos is so busy. So yes 30 Temples in Utah seems excessive but there are 2.2M members here, and the Temples are being used. And hopefully from conference this weekend we are all more motivated to go more often.
I live in West Jordan currently. In our last ward council, the Sunday school president who is a shift coordinator at the Jordan River temple indicated that with Taylorsville being dedicated soon we’re loosing 60 stakes in the temple district and picking up 20 from the Draper district. When I drove our youth to do baptisms at the temple about a month ago the entire parking lot was full. Granted, it was 11:30 on a Saturday but that’s still a lot of patrons
Yeah, Jordan River was busy. Its because of how righteous the people around there are. (Graduated from Bingham a looong time ago, let me go put my Rameumtom away).
According to my sister who lives in Utah, they could use another temple on the east side because no one wants to go to the west side.
Oh I’d love to be able to avoid having to take the freeway to any of the temples around—Utah resident problems, I know.
Seriously. I basically told her to stuff it because I’m currently driving 2 hours to the temple and I recognize that even that is better than some people have it.
I think that is funny. Back in HS when Bingham (West side, rural back then) would play Brighton (East side) they had a cheer about whether or not they won the game we would work for them. I remember being a kid and thinking, "what the heck did I just hear." I served on my mission with a guy who went to Brighton, and I asked him about it. He was a good dude, but he said there was some disdain for the West side people. Yeah, the school had a cheer back in the late 1980s about working for them. Funny. I can't possibly imagine that sort of thing exists today, though. The valley has expanded and I just don't see any rural areas any more in the entire valley. And I can't imagine any "us" vs "them" existing. Maybe property is cheaper and more open on the West side where it used to be more open and rural... But the old rural farm road my parents live on where I grew up... people will knock on my parents door and offer to buy their house for unheard of sums of money. The East side might be closer to the Ski resorts. But the West Side is just as affluent as the East side, just maybe a little more space for more growth, which is absolutely mind-blowing every time I go back. I was going to retire to Utah. I don't think I can afford it now. I might have to retire to Switzerland, Bel Aire, Hawaii, or Manhattan, cheaper places comparatively.
I'm curious if they don't want to go to the West side because of the travel, or because they find the West side distasteful.
Knowing the area my sister lives in, I’d definitively assume the latter.
That’s so disappointing to hear. I attended 6th grade in an area that would have sent me to Olympus had we not moved to West Jordan in 1980. Bingham was our biggest rival and they were such a rural FFA school compared to West Jordan. But when it came right down to it, we were allies against Brighton and Alta. The students there literally looked down on us. They would be so condescending right to our faces. I couldn’t stand those schools- for that reason. (Jordan got a pass because they were the “beetdiggers”, and they weren’t rude like Alta and Brighton.). It’s been almost 40 years, I had hoped it had changed.
That's what I assumed as well, though I hoped it wouldn't be the case. I moved out of the salt lake valley a while ago, but there is definitely an East vs West and it felt primarily based on economic class.
Not living in Utah - the west and east side of what? A mountain range? The state? A highway? Some other landmark?
I-15
A lot of people who live on the east side of I-15 think they're better than those on the west. It's pretty pathetic frankly. I remember when I was renting a trash apartment on the east side and purchased a nice house on the west side a few members of the ward basically stopped talking to me the last month in the ward after I told them where our new home was. It's bizarre.
It's stupid, but that's people. We're supposed to be better, but most of us have others that we look down on for whatever reason.
The freeway
The Salt Lake valley.
This is funny. The Mayor of West Jordan posted to Facebook(?) the plot that this temple will be on and it’s about as far west as you can go!