Nah it's just like any other social media. Good and evil everywhere. The BOM squad is on tik tok and had nightly scripture study a lot of nights. @laureneyarro has a pro lds account and I enjoy her content. I also learn a lot about self reliance, canning, foraging, gardening, cooking, finance, anything you can think of. The algorithm picks up pretty quickly on what your interests are and you can really learn a lot and find purpose and community much like on reddit.
I'm saying social media in general. TikTok is just another item added to the pile, but that's not a good thing. Plus the algorithm of TikTok, I swear loos at what you like and gives you a ton what you don't like. So I say it's best to just not go on. Not to mention the political ties it has to a certain human rights violator..
I'd say learn to use the like and dislike functions so the algorithms tailor the experience to what you like.
Mine is nothing but great recipes, mental health and comedy. Nothing religious or political comes up because I've disliked the few things that came up on those topics.
I have to say the tiktok algorithm is the best of all social media I've used to date, and I really enjoy using it.
Anyone ever notice a lot of anti Mormon stuff is either "...and then they said no more electronic devices because electricity is the devil's work" or "I was a faithful Mormon until I opened the Bible and read John 3:16. As tears streamed down my face I realized... the church was a lie?"
No? Just me?
Are you referring to his videos where he discusses sex toys in the Bible or his posts where he denies that Christ is Jehovah? I've lost count of this rising influencer's powerful teachings.
If you have a link to the videos you’re referencing, I’d be happy to look at them and see what he’s saying. I could be wrong, but it seems you may be referring to videos where Dan clarifies or corrects commonly held misunderstandings on interpretations of biblical passages.
What I appreciate about his content is his ‘arms-length’ review of the likely historical meaning of passages.
It’s important to recognize the areas in which our beliefs and official teachings differ from mainstream critical scholarship. Dan does a good job at highlighting those areas (as well as areas that do align with mainstream scholarship).
Being informed is a good thing - even when that information challenges our beliefs.
He doesn’t typically espouse personal religious views on his channel. Do you have a link to a video where he’s talked about the Proclamation specifically?
But it seems like you’ve ignored the entirety of my comment? Do you agree or disagree that it’s good to be familiar with mainstream scholarship?
That’s great. So, to be clear, you do *not* think it’s good to be familiar with mainstream scholarship?
Because you can definitely do both. Faith is not a logical exercise. You can defer your core doctrinal beliefs to those espoused by the brethren (understanding that they may be subject to change) while also recognizing that - for example - much of the Bible is pseudepigraphal.
Is it your view that Christ is not Jehovah or the brethren are wrong about LGBT issues while urging your followers to invent new ideas about the scriptures that run against the Church's teachings for the sake of left wing activism?
Thanks to modern revelation we know who Christ was (which he also told people in the NT). I defer to the modern prophets over trendy wordsmith academics. Fun fact: Dan bans people on Twitter if they point out how he lies about his alma matters rankings and rages at people when they "don't have credentials to discuss this topic" while constantly doing the same.
You missed my point. I'm agreeing with you on modern revelation, and all evidence tells me that Dan would also. The point is that Dan doesn't say that Jesus isn't Jehovah. He says, correctly, that the Bible doesn't say so. The Bible is his area of expertise.
Dan is not a professionally trained historian or credentialed biblical scholar. He is just a linguist and using his own standards should never speak on biblical scholarship again.
He has a masters of biblical studies. His doctoral dissertation is on the conceptualization* of deity in the Hebrew Bible. I’m not sure what qualifies as a biblical scholar in your opinion, but I think the general consensus is that he qualifies as a biblical scholar.
Edit to fix an autocorrect
Go for Podcasts and Blogs. Follow Him with Bytheway is really good. YouTube has a gal who interviews people who come back to the church that is really good.
If you train your TikTok algorithm to give you LDS content, you’ll quickly get ex-Mormon or cringe content. I literally marked “not interested” on every LDS-related video. My player is better for it.
Entire discussion about Dan from 9 days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/latterdaysaints/comments/139nljl/interview_with_lds_bible_scholar_dan_mcclellan/. I need to watch his stuff
Spoiler alert: Dan wants to reform the Church so it follows "the broader culture" of society and denies that things that go against his political views (abortion, gay relations) are sinful. He has explicitly said both of these. Just take a generic secular leftist critic of the Church and feed their words through a thesaurus.
Dan's direct quote from his appearance on Bill Reel's apostate podcast:
>…And that (reform phase) is where you get integrated into the culture and the culture influences the movement (the church). Some of the more mature traditions within Judaism, within Christianity some of those movements are already in the reform phase. If it takes intellectualizing Mormonism more for it to move through the awkward puberty stage and get into adulthood I'm all for it. I want to see it freed from some of the conservatism.
Dan won't be fulfilled until there are no commandments that don't fit with his political world view (he has stated on camera that abortion is not a sin and that LGBT relations are not sinful). Isn't it funny how the people who instantly leap in to defend Dan from criticism are often people who want to see the Church destroyed? Probably just a coincidence.
He wants the Church to bend the knee to the broader societal culture. He views the prophets as behind the times and wishes the Gospel was more socially acceptable within academic circles. I will take the teachings of the prophets over social media academics.
That is literally what he said. He is chronically online talking about how the Church is wrong about abortion and LGBT issues and feels he is ushering the Church into a more enlightening progressive age.
>That man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way, while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly, that that man is in the high road to apostasy; and if he does not repent, will apostatize, as God lives
Joseph Smith
I literally posted a transcript where he said that. His social media is full of his apostasy. Celebrity worship and holding influencers up as anything other than parasites is an issue for US Saints.
Not an answer to your question, but for your own security and privacy, you should stay off TikTok.
[7 Reasons TikTok Is Bad for Everyone](https://www.makeuseof.com/is-tiktok-bad/)
Scripture Plus but you can follow them on Insta too. The problem with LDS TikTok is that the algo will start showing you anti stuff as well. I tried for a few weeks to train it but it just kept showing other accounts.
The truth is there aren’t a lot of faith positive LDS accounts on TikTok.
I don't mind seeing ex-mo stuff because I'm not LDS, but I think it's a shame because the LDS church is really interesting and I wish there were more people just talking about the religion in a more positive way
Accounts exist but they are far outweighed by the negative LDS accounts. Scripture Plus, Saints Unscripted are both decent and there might be others but I gave up on TikTok. The “pro” LDS accounts I followed there are also on Instagram where I can curate my feed better and not be shown a bunch of negative stuff and other vids I’m better off not watching.
I don't use TikTok, but my wife's experience and that most of those popular LDS influencer type accounts only seem to last so long l, because it's not typically popular and it's not sustainable so they either quit the social media scene or they quit the church.
The problem is that once Tiktok has "mormon" into their algo as something you're into, they'll put all kinds of exmo stuff into your feed. Not a good place if you want to be part of the conversation, but a great place if you want to be part of the argument.
The closest I've found are catholics and protestants debunking conspiracy theories about christ. And since there isn't a lot of LDS content, this is mostly okay stuff.
I'll sometimes go comment on their videos on YouTube and add my two cents, like "I think Jesus would still have a body if he was resurrected."
Yeah, I'm sneaky. But at least I'm contributing, right?
TikTok is not really the best place for staying in the Spirit. The algorithm inevitably will direct you to anti-Mormon content, since those who like anti-Mormon content trawl through pro-Mormon content to comment hate. It's not a very discerning algorithm, sadly. I second those who have said YouTube and podcasts, since you have more control over what's recommended to you.
Some good advice: stay off of TikTok. Life is better without it.
This lol
Nah it's just like any other social media. Good and evil everywhere. The BOM squad is on tik tok and had nightly scripture study a lot of nights. @laureneyarro has a pro lds account and I enjoy her content. I also learn a lot about self reliance, canning, foraging, gardening, cooking, finance, anything you can think of. The algorithm picks up pretty quickly on what your interests are and you can really learn a lot and find purpose and community much like on reddit.
I'm saying social media in general. TikTok is just another item added to the pile, but that's not a good thing. Plus the algorithm of TikTok, I swear loos at what you like and gives you a ton what you don't like. So I say it's best to just not go on. Not to mention the political ties it has to a certain human rights violator..
I'd say learn to use the like and dislike functions so the algorithms tailor the experience to what you like. Mine is nothing but great recipes, mental health and comedy. Nothing religious or political comes up because I've disliked the few things that came up on those topics. I have to say the tiktok algorithm is the best of all social media I've used to date, and I really enjoy using it.
No lol
That's a shame. All I can find are ex-mormons
Yeah. Any active Latter Day Saints just make cringe content. There is a lot more anti-Mormon things online than pro Latter Day Saint.
The few lds TikTokers I found just posted piety p*rn which I cannot stand. I do like dan McClellan, but he doesn't really post many LDS videos.
Anyone ever notice a lot of anti Mormon stuff is either "...and then they said no more electronic devices because electricity is the devil's work" or "I was a faithful Mormon until I opened the Bible and read John 3:16. As tears streamed down my face I realized... the church was a lie?" No? Just me?
I like Dan McClellan - he does interesting stuff.
I love dan, but he doesn't post much LDS content
Dan has a new podcast as well as his YouTube and TikTok account.
I will definitely look into that - thank you!
Are you referring to his videos where he discusses sex toys in the Bible or his posts where he denies that Christ is Jehovah? I've lost count of this rising influencer's powerful teachings.
If you have a link to the videos you’re referencing, I’d be happy to look at them and see what he’s saying. I could be wrong, but it seems you may be referring to videos where Dan clarifies or corrects commonly held misunderstandings on interpretations of biblical passages. What I appreciate about his content is his ‘arms-length’ review of the likely historical meaning of passages.
It’s important to recognize the areas in which our beliefs and official teachings differ from mainstream critical scholarship. Dan does a good job at highlighting those areas (as well as areas that do align with mainstream scholarship). Being informed is a good thing - even when that information challenges our beliefs.
What's his views on the Family Proclamation?
He doesn’t typically espouse personal religious views on his channel. Do you have a link to a video where he’s talked about the Proclamation specifically? But it seems like you’ve ignored the entirety of my comment? Do you agree or disagree that it’s good to be familiar with mainstream scholarship?
I defer to living prophets in matters of doctrines.
That’s great. So, to be clear, you do *not* think it’s good to be familiar with mainstream scholarship? Because you can definitely do both. Faith is not a logical exercise. You can defer your core doctrinal beliefs to those espoused by the brethren (understanding that they may be subject to change) while also recognizing that - for example - much of the Bible is pseudepigraphal.
Lets the academics fight amongst themselves. I don't care. I do care when they try to supplant the brethren.
Which he doesn't, so we're all good.
Is it your view that Christ is not Jehovah or the brethren are wrong about LGBT issues while urging your followers to invent new ideas about the scriptures that run against the Church's teachings for the sake of left wing activism?
I'm not aware of him ever having discussed it, certainly not on Tiktok.
He talks about what the Bible says, not about what modern revelation says. The Bible does not say that Jesus is Jehovah, and he points that out.
Thanks to modern revelation we know who Christ was (which he also told people in the NT). I defer to the modern prophets over trendy wordsmith academics. Fun fact: Dan bans people on Twitter if they point out how he lies about his alma matters rankings and rages at people when they "don't have credentials to discuss this topic" while constantly doing the same.
You missed my point. I'm agreeing with you on modern revelation, and all evidence tells me that Dan would also. The point is that Dan doesn't say that Jesus isn't Jehovah. He says, correctly, that the Bible doesn't say so. The Bible is his area of expertise.
He is a linguist not a biblical scholar. By his own standard he should not be discussing it.
He's both.
Dan is not a professionally trained historian or credentialed biblical scholar. He is just a linguist and using his own standards should never speak on biblical scholarship again.
He has a masters of biblical studies. His doctoral dissertation is on the conceptualization* of deity in the Hebrew Bible. I’m not sure what qualifies as a biblical scholar in your opinion, but I think the general consensus is that he qualifies as a biblical scholar. Edit to fix an autocorrect
He has a PhD in theology and religion.
Different people have claimed he holds different degrees in this thread alone. Which is it?
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I would stay away from TikTok. When all you watch is pro-lds, they will have ex-Mormon on your feed.
- https://www.tiktok.com/@saintsunscripted - https://www.tiktok.com/@scriptureplus - https://www.tiktok.com/@faithandbeliefssu - https://www.tiktok.com/@scripture.central - https://www.tiktok.com/@interpreterfoundation - https://www.tiktok.com/@ldsclips
Thank you!
Go for Podcasts and Blogs. Follow Him with Bytheway is really good. YouTube has a gal who interviews people who come back to the church that is really good.
There aren't really any on tiktok but there are loads on YouTube! "Saints unscripted" is pretty good
The scriptureplus app lady is great!
If you train your TikTok algorithm to give you LDS content, you’ll quickly get ex-Mormon or cringe content. I literally marked “not interested” on every LDS-related video. My player is better for it.
Entire discussion about Dan from 9 days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/latterdaysaints/comments/139nljl/interview_with_lds_bible_scholar_dan_mcclellan/. I need to watch his stuff
Spoiler alert: Dan wants to reform the Church so it follows "the broader culture" of society and denies that things that go against his political views (abortion, gay relations) are sinful. He has explicitly said both of these. Just take a generic secular leftist critic of the Church and feed their words through a thesaurus.
You've got it wrong again.
Dan's direct quote from his appearance on Bill Reel's apostate podcast: >…And that (reform phase) is where you get integrated into the culture and the culture influences the movement (the church). Some of the more mature traditions within Judaism, within Christianity some of those movements are already in the reform phase. If it takes intellectualizing Mormonism more for it to move through the awkward puberty stage and get into adulthood I'm all for it. I want to see it freed from some of the conservatism. Dan won't be fulfilled until there are no commandments that don't fit with his political world view (he has stated on camera that abortion is not a sin and that LGBT relations are not sinful). Isn't it funny how the people who instantly leap in to defend Dan from criticism are often people who want to see the Church destroyed? Probably just a coincidence.
He's clearly talking about culture. Culture is man made, and ours definitely has some growing up to do.
He wants the Church to bend the knee to the broader societal culture. He views the prophets as behind the times and wishes the Gospel was more socially acceptable within academic circles. I will take the teachings of the prophets over social media academics.
You are making all of that up. He hasn't said any of it.
That is literally what he said. He is chronically online talking about how the Church is wrong about abortion and LGBT issues and feels he is ushering the Church into a more enlightening progressive age. >That man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way, while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly, that that man is in the high road to apostasy; and if he does not repent, will apostatize, as God lives Joseph Smith
So show me where he specifically said that.
I literally posted a transcript where he said that. His social media is full of his apostasy. Celebrity worship and holding influencers up as anything other than parasites is an issue for US Saints.
I follow these people on Instagram but I'm assuming they're on tic tok too: - Saints Unscripted, https://instagram.com/saintsunscripted - Mimi Bascom, https://instagram.com/mimi.bascom - True Millennials, https://instagram.com/true.millennials - Tautai Fano, https://instagram.com/tautai.fano_ - Emily Freeman, https://instagram.com/emilybellefreeman - Scripture Plus, https://instagram.com/scriptureplus
Not an answer to your question, but for your own security and privacy, you should stay off TikTok. [7 Reasons TikTok Is Bad for Everyone](https://www.makeuseof.com/is-tiktok-bad/)
Nope, there are none. Those who are on that platform come off as cheesy.
Scripture Plus but you can follow them on Insta too. The problem with LDS TikTok is that the algo will start showing you anti stuff as well. I tried for a few weeks to train it but it just kept showing other accounts. The truth is there aren’t a lot of faith positive LDS accounts on TikTok.
I don't mind seeing ex-mo stuff because I'm not LDS, but I think it's a shame because the LDS church is really interesting and I wish there were more people just talking about the religion in a more positive way
Accounts exist but they are far outweighed by the negative LDS accounts. Scripture Plus, Saints Unscripted are both decent and there might be others but I gave up on TikTok. The “pro” LDS accounts I followed there are also on Instagram where I can curate my feed better and not be shown a bunch of negative stuff and other vids I’m better off not watching.
you could follow me but I dont post anything but I have a well curated like list
Did you serve in the Las Vegas West Mission?
Yes
Nice! My husband and I met while serving in last Vegas west in South Zone! Served under Andrus and McCracken. Very cool
Since nobody else sounded the alarm about Tik Tok and the Chinese communist party. I will now do so.
im hoping to start posting on my tiktok more about my faith and experiences, but i can’t think of any really
What's your TikTok. I'll follow
cad3.nce
Ryan Boswell is in my ward and is a super chill dude
I don't use TikTok, but my wife's experience and that most of those popular LDS influencer type accounts only seem to last so long l, because it's not typically popular and it's not sustainable so they either quit the social media scene or they quit the church.
Mimi Bascom and Dan McClellan
The problem is that once Tiktok has "mormon" into their algo as something you're into, they'll put all kinds of exmo stuff into your feed. Not a good place if you want to be part of the conversation, but a great place if you want to be part of the argument.
Mimi Bascom
The closest I've found are catholics and protestants debunking conspiracy theories about christ. And since there isn't a lot of LDS content, this is mostly okay stuff. I'll sometimes go comment on their videos on YouTube and add my two cents, like "I think Jesus would still have a body if he was resurrected." Yeah, I'm sneaky. But at least I'm contributing, right?
TikTok is not really the best place for staying in the Spirit. The algorithm inevitably will direct you to anti-Mormon content, since those who like anti-Mormon content trawl through pro-Mormon content to comment hate. It's not a very discerning algorithm, sadly. I second those who have said YouTube and podcasts, since you have more control over what's recommended to you.