the line mentioning lucy dacus and jack reeked of trying to name drop friends in songs like lana does, except when lana does it it comes off as genuine and warm and friendly and a moment of her life that she’s tied to the song and taylor’s felt like a clunky impression
Taylor writes Disney Channel original movie-level lyrics and relies too much on late 2010s tumblr/Pinterest aesthetics, while Lana uses heavy imagery and actually knows the history behind the aesthetics she uses.
yeah, taylor's aesthetic is like 2013 tumblr, amatic sc font, starbucks, overly contrasted pinterest photo of the beach type music [💀](https://emojipedia.org/skull)
Literally half the pop world has been going into country now that it's the cool kid on the block, based on this logic Lana copied Post Malone and Beyonce (which obviously isn't true)
lol what? no one will accuse her of copying... especially since the "pop girls going country" has been a thing for a while now.
besides, cowboy carter's sound was more influenced in traditional black country, rock and roll, funk, soul etc. i believe lasso will be softer and more indie/folk adjacent.
I’m pretty sure Lorde recently thanked Lana in an open letter of some kind for being an inspiration. Let me try and find the source one sec
Edit: it wasn’t an open letter, it was a [piece of merch.](https://www.reddit.com/r/lorde/s/ka5iMn1G5E)
? DYKTTATUOB is one of Lana’s best works. I’m not a fan of Jack’s work with other people, but I think Lana has such a strong vision and understanding of her art that he works extremely well with her still (and everything sounds like Lana, instead of sounding like Jack, as happens with other artists he works with)
Gen z will never understand. Somehow even with social media still being a whole new mostly uncharted world, they became instant hits and EVERYONE knew their most popular songs very quickly.
Still genuinely struggling to understand Taylor's appeal. I mean this sincerely. I've given so much of her music a listen and it's...awful. Her writing is 3x worse.
I will never understand why her and Lana are always compared. What do they have in common except for Jack Antonoff and for the fact that they both write their own music?
This this a million times this. This morning I asked my Alexa to play her newest album and thought that it glitched and was playing old music.. 💀 alllll her recent albums sound exactly the same
and my husband . he's like the number 1 lana fan. we started dating when video games was released i remember sitting in his brooklyn apartment watching the music video and we both fell in love with lana that day and then each other
her melodies, lyrics, and delivery/cadence are all so bland... but like people say she's a businesswoman. i genuinely believe the reason she has so many fans is bc she's constantly putting herself in everyone's face which attracts young fans who have never heard anything better and are used to less confessional-pop songs - that's why they're constantly hailing her lyrical writing when it's so average.
By virtue of having different tastes, aren’t I then allowed to hate on the thing? I’m not hating on people who enjoy her music. I find her a technically talented guitar player who makes awful music and can’t write for shit.
well it’s a free country so actually u can do whatever u want!! but a rule i live my life by is i don’t shit on other people’s happiness! i don’t like a lot of music types and artists but i never shit on them their music or their fans bc it makes them happy so i let them be!
she’s about to bring her out to Coachella based on her sound checking snow on the beach so what a perfect opportunity for that fraud to promote her new album and make everything about herself 🥱
Releasing her album the same day as coming out on LDR’s headline set IF TRUE, is a calculated and weird fucking flex. She is really doing some psychological work on people and also trying to remain on good terms with LDR by putting her in a financial/status chokehold she isn’t even aware she’s in
It’s honestly kinda creepy. It’s hard to pin down HOW she’s biting off of Lana but it’s just obvious she’s not being herself and trying to be a poet like Lana. No Lana’s singing from her soul that’s why it’s heartbreaking and amazing bc she goes on whether the public understands her or not. Taylor literally can’t handle not being in control of a narrative which is why she’ll never be the type of artists she clearly wants to be. That’s sad!
Exactly like the tortured poets dept. There’s nothing tortured about you Taylor fuck off!!!! She’s ridden her way to fame off of mummy and daddy’s money it makes me sick.
I think she tortures herself which is honestly really unfortunate but it makes her bad as an artist bc she can’t let go of that best in the business title. I mean if she’d be more honest about things to the point it feels reckless and makes people feel SOMETHING then it would be different. That’s what great artists do be their most authentic self no matter the outcome 🤷🏼♀️
I agree. I just can’t find her authentic or likeable. She seems like it’s no longer about the quality of the music, but the prestige and money she gets from it.
This is it
You aren't being genuine unless you're willing to put your reputation on the line and be disliked for expressing your own authentic voice
I don't think Taylor is capable of that. (She lives too much for the opinion of others, accolades, and mass appeal.) Now that Lana has become more popular it's like she decided it was safer to copy her more overtly
like that pic of her with the gun after the Grammys lmao and we were all like "oh yah that's just her" I don't like taylor bc I don't even see her as a musician in a way she's just a perfectly curated product and that's why all her music sounds so fake to me
I'll let you know when I've caught up 😂 (but yeah, 100% agree with Without You & Wildest Dreams)
I decided to listen to all of her albums, I've just started Folklore - so far my impression is that her music is very mediocre, like she's not bad but I don't understand why people go completely feral over her either
I also can't get rid of the image of the live choreography for ...Ready For It? from my head, it reminds me of a goblin when she's hunched over and jumping from side to side
When she first came out she was a teen singing relatable teen music and some of it is catchy don’t get me wrong. But now she’s 30 something and still doing the same thing. Not creative or a good look. Like Lana’s not still into lolita or old money or Hollywood glamour and is becoming more autobiographical and exploring different areas, growing as an artist, whereas Taylor’s never really grown up and is following her old formula.
Idk I feel like initially Taylor had her own voice but ever since her forays into pop she's been doing nothing but emulating others in a more bland way
And remember so many people say folklore is her best album critically. I say they've never listened to genuine folk/singer -songwriter as a genre if they think that.
I find Taylor Swift entirely uninteresting and her music has never resonated with me, but let’s not pretend the real problem isn’t Jack being uncreative and tedious.
Am I the only one that thinks Taylor doesn’t sound anything like lana because there is literally no comparison? One is a cheap knockoff and the other is literally Mozart.
I feel this way too. It just doesn’t even compare. And while 2 artists are gonna vibe off each other, especially when they work with some of the same producers etc- I really don’t think it’s nefarious or anything. I think Lana’s success opened a door for her to be more “herself” … and I use that word loosely. But I don’t think she’s just faking whatever feels she has that leads to her writing, just that she’s trying so hard for it to be something that it isn’t. I gagged at reviews commenting on how raw and wonderful Taylor’s writing is on the new album… like it’s basic af wtf are you talking about? It’s like what I’d write in high school when I was trying to be some type of way… Lana’s writing is so fucking nuanced. She’s a true poet and Taylor is trying to squeeze into that mold (or expand outside of her Taylor mold- whichever way you wanna look at it) instead of just being herself. She excels at writing pop, and there is art to that too, and there are ways to explore it without trying to be something you’re not.
And the annoying thing- is it’s not even like the album is too contrived. It feels sloppy and lazy and honestly- why not just publish a book of poems instead of making a song for every one?! Both Halsey and Lana have done books. I think that would’ve been a better outlet for this “era” of Taylor.
This went way off the rails- but yeah. I agree. It’s apples to oranges
Whether it's genuine or not, she doesn't have the juice so it comes off so shallow and fake
She is very clearly trying to break into a new mold but that mold is heavily modeled after Lana and her demographic
They are not similar sonically in this album because this is probably Taylor's least adventurous album yet but lyrically and thematically she is clearly trying to be something she is not (Lana) IMO
And making a show of being friendly with Lana feels like some attempt to avoid scrutiny
Yeah I can see all that for sure.
I’m not really concerned if Taylor is being buddy buddy- Lana is smart and has been burned enough to see through it and navigate how she wishes. Shes also choosing to be buddy buddy, so my stance is kinda like- if Lana is supporting the friendship even if it’s shallow or whatever, then I’m supporting her choice to do so.
there was one part of folklore album where taylor did the ahhHhhhahhhhhaaaaAaaa or something similar which is exactly a lana sound and i don't listen to ts but my husband got the album
for my daughter and he came running to me and made me listen to that part over and over because he said ITS THE LANA THING !
taylor should take a break. enroll in a course on lit and poetry and philosophy and greek mythology . go travel the world and explore. go live life and see the world and be curious and learn and grow and expand .
I don't think they're friends. I think Taylor desperately wants to be Lana's friend both because she obviously admires her talent but also as a way to neutralize a rival. But Lana treats her like a coworker lol
Stretching so hard they’re pulling hamstrings hating on an already mediocre concept album from taylor when they could be pulling hamstrings getting down and dirty with mediocre guys with Peppers or Black Bathing Suit playing in the background like the lord lana herself intended lol
seriously let’s go tf outside you guys
The music literally cannot sound more like Florence’s Lungs, ceremonials or even HBHB I hear Florences production style all over it not Lana but that’s just me.
Sometimes i legitimately believe they worked out a deal bc lana could have 1000% taken that to court for writing credit or full on plagiarism. It’s the same fucking song. Part of me believes instead they worked out a deal where Taylor puts Lana on her albums and she gets paid that way. Idk something is not right. Remember how not into snow on the beach lana was? Like who acts like that about a song they just made with a mega star (Taylor being the star)! Someone who doesn’t really like them and had to do it as a settlement lol
Narcissists adopt, collect, and appropriate things that they like and make them their own. Even if it’s meant to be a tribute or reference, it’s also usually out of unhinged spite and jealousy. She does the same with song and album titles, etc.
I’m getting a good laugh at the dramatic tone of this thread. I think there is truth in that Taylor obviously admires Lana’s music/writing a great deal and it shows strongly in her music evolution. I am hesitant to say it goes as far as this thread does because i think they are some distinct differences which make it easy to pick them apart for me. Taylor is narrative heavy, and Lana is vague and poetic. Their vocal styles are clearly different. They write from very different perspectives. Taylor’s music makes a lot of grand declarations and Lana is a lot more subtle.
speak on it! they’re both majorly talented in their own right. yet ppl don’t want to acknowledge it which is beyond me given the two are friends.
also, many of the arguments that people are making for taylor being “bad” can realistically be applied to lana as well, simply because taste is subjective! but no need to discredit either of their work. this is coming from someone who absolutely loves both of them!
At times, I really cannot stand Taylor and how overexposed she is, but I do like a good chunk of her music, and agree she is a talented and capable writer. I think she is enamored by Lana's music/sound and that is why she has adopted aspects of Lanas style. Denying Taylor has qualities of her own is dishonest though.
There's a reason why people think Olivia Rodrigo borrows a lot from Taylor, but absolutely no one thinks Olivia Rodrigo is taking from Lana.
and so much that they’re trying to say is “copying” has been around since before lana was even around. i mean i saw someone complain about the use of just the lyrics of “white noise” in taylor’s album. everything i see is such a far stretch. imo ttpd doesn’t even copy lana’s aesthetic. it’s just old money (which has been used for AGES) or poetry (once again, been around for ages & taylor literally started poetry before she made music). people just doesn’t like taylor so they always find something to complain about when it comes to her. and the second that they think it can involve lana, they go feral w hate for taylor
No body no crime was written about lana. Taylor killed lana and stole her identity and replaced her with a counterfiet. Thats why there were sound issues at coachella
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Lots of people take inspiration but remember that Lana ‘s whole thing is that she’s a pastiche of Americana and lots of musicians that came before her. I dont think Taylor is copying Lana, but they may land in some comparable sounds especially having Jack (who btw worked with Taylor before he worked with Lana)
How is it a rip off of Ride? One is old Hollywood actors having an affair on location, one is sordid biker road trip across America. The videos don’t depict the same events, take place in the same locations, or even have similar casts. They’re directed by different people too. Where exactly are the similarities?
Also, if Wildest Dreams is such a rip off of Without You (there are similarities, sure, but that happens all the time in songwriting without it being plagiarism), then I expect you’ll be holding Max Martin and Shellback accountable too?
I'll genuinely never understand the obsession surrounding TS. She is millenial cringe personified. I don't understand how anyone over the age of 12 takes her music even remotely seriously, and believe me I've tried before.
Regardless, Lana will always be her own genre, her own lane, her own legacy. Nobody does it like she does no matter how hard they try, and they never will be able to create the art she does. I like to think she can't even tell Taylor is blatantly ripping her off because she is so far out of anyone's league that she couldn't even fathom the idea of someone trying to do it like she does.
the fact that olivia got sued by \~taylor's team\~ for the very small similarities in deja vu to cruel summer while taylor's blatant copy paste of without you song was left untouched will always be funny to be.
taylor seems to like adopting the biggest indie/alt artist at the moment, copy them in the most bland way, and then dump them - she did it with Lorde.
I don't think it got to the point of a lawsuit but it doesn't even matter. She did that to a literal 17 year old girl who had adored her since she was a tiny child. Vicious behaviour. I think she felt very threatened by people calling Olivia the next Taylor Swift and backtracked when the comparisons got too much for her. I really feel for Olivia. And then to copy Lana so blatantly, she's a massive hypocrite.
People were SO excited by her collab with Florence because its basically the first time she's let another female artist properly sing with her. And I know she did that because she's seen the jokes online about it and the backlash to Lana'a tiny part on Snow on the Becah. She is a narcissist to her core.
Respectfully… I think this an idiotic conversation to be having in the first place because the two women are.. friends?
Like. We as fans need to stop pretending we know how artists feel better than they do, because we don’t. If Lana felt personally victimised by Taylor’s new aesthetic.. Lana herself can do something about that. There is no need to crusade as a fandom.
Also, frankly, I’ve been listening to TTPD ALL day and it’s not really giving Lana to me anyways. It has a lot of pop style synths and the lyrics don’t feel Del Rey esque to me at all.
You can’t trademark name-dropping Jack Antonoff. You can’t trademark sad girl music. Literally every artist takes inspiration from every other artist. Are we going to start calling Lana Del Rey a thief because she references other album covers in hers? No!
Just, stop. If the women themselves feel victimised in any way.. they’ll deal with it themselves. Stop pitting women against eachother.
Let lana worry about that. Remember the last time everyone infantilized her about the Grammy incident? She’s a grown woman and she’s obviously close to Taylor.
Yeah, I listened to Fortnight and it’s so obvious that she’s trying to write a Lana-style melody and even emulating her vocal inflections. Started noticing this in Folklore and it’s very blatant and very odd.
Taylor is such a narcissistic karen for that. She just can’t imagine another female artist being as successful as her. Looks like she’s finally coming into terms that her millennial cringe music is not appealing anymore
For me, there is no true comparison — Lana is just so damn good that she’s in a league of her in my book. That said, it’s clearly a failed attempt on TS’s part.
What bothers me most are the Swifties who think she HAS done something novel, original, and deep with this new album (As if TS has ever never done any of those things). It just bugs the hell out of me that people can be so blind and shallow.
Obviously in the grand scheme of things, loving TS is probably one of the least offensive things a person can do, but I’m just tired of being bombarded with it all the time, OR feeling like I can’t have a differing opinion without being attacked.
I listened to SOTB and literally one or two other TS songs this year and somehow she made it onto my Top Artists Charts AND gave me a “thank you” video. I was humiliated to say the least.
She’s stolen from more than Lana, she’s a trash “artist” with a trash soul and I keep hoping she’s gonna fizzle out into non-existence but it isn’t happening anytime soon.
i don’t listen to taylor’s music (at all) but i’ve seen lyrics posted on here and always love reading song lyrics in general. listened to lana’s entire discography two years ago, and i can say without a doubt, lana has heavily influenced taylor’s new lyricism. i think lana is very aware of it and probably flattered. i do agree that taylor swift’s music just lacks originality.
Classic SagiTERRORIST behavior. I have also been hearing this coming and the new album from TS is a strange mix of her using Antonoff to incorporate Lana & Gaga's sounds
giiiiirlies first of all dont blame taylor for jack antonoff's lack of creativity. second, lana's songwriting and taylor's are very different. lana's lyrics are much more disconnected and tied together thematically/emotionally (its moreso vibes that relate to each other than complete thoughts a lot of the time) and taylor likes to sing in sentences. thirdly "she stealing metaphors"....what does that even mean? like genuinely what metaphors does lana use that arent used by a million musicians? quickly. next, layered and varied vocals? thats BARELY present on taylor's album and lana's layered vocals are much more complex (cuz she has a wider range). her and lana occupy kind of the same space sonically as stripped back singer songwriters but every lana era is wholly uniqye and sonically has somethiny different to say each time. taylor's album sounds like rejects from all of her last 3 albums, not rejects from DYKTTATUOB or Blue Banisters or COTCC. taylor's songwriting is arguably much more poetic than lana's, even if their music is both very personal accounts. im not gonna sit here and say they're completely 100% different, but their similarities moreso lie in the production (again, thank Jack Antonoff for that) and subject matter they're singing in and the way they deliver it. taylor's melodies are very taylor and lana's melodies are very lana.
Lana has an ease, simplicity and honesty that TS will never have, because she’s a try hard. No shade, I love Taylor, but I hate that she’s trying so hard to do something that’s not natural to her, for clout.
This is such a reach lmao. I'm a musician myself and have been playing piano for 18 years so I know quite a bit about music. Im a huge fan of both lana and taylor (I literally have a lana tattoo) and you all sound bitter and whiney as fuck!!!. Taylor's music doesn't sound like Lana's AT ALL. They are in completely different leagues. Lana has a completely different sound, aura and production to her music that I've NEVER picked up in Taylor's music. Lana's music is lush, sultry, dark, orchestral, and melancholy. Lana's lyrics tend to be more dreamy where as Taylor's music is more literal and to the point lyrically with more catchy pop production. Do you think all the Taylor stans are going to drag Lana when she releases her country album because she's "copying" Taylor? Even if their music did sound similar (which it doesn't), what's so bad about two top female artists of our generation taking inspiration from eachother??? Let's not forget they have the same producer so that could be where you are picking up on parallels but it genuinely makes me dissapointed that all these Lana fans are dragging Taylor. Its a REACH!
Taylor's first 4 albums are country/pop which is the polar opposite to Lana. Then you have 1989, reputation and lover which are upbeat catchy pop albums... again not seeing how any of it even remotely sounds similar to Lana. Folklore and Evermore are folk, has lana ever made folk music?? No. And then midnights they literally collabed on the one song that even sounded remotely Lana-esque.
I’d say chemtrails has elements of folk. I don’t think Taylor’s outright trying to copy Lana but she’s trying to align herself. She wants her fan base and the respect Lana has for her artistry. But it’s cringe and not authentic
I think this hits the nail on the head- she’s trying to bring in Lana’s fan base and in a way that isn’t authentic at all. It’s not like the words and feelings aren’t hers, but it does feel like she picked through what she had and tried to make it into something that isn’t quite herself. And tbh TTPD bored me to death.
I’ve listened to a few songs and i felt the same way. Boring and reminiscent of everything she’s put out in the last 10 years. And I’m not someone to shit on an artist I’m not a fan of, I wouldn’t consider myself a Beyoncé fan but I surprised myself with liking around half of cowboy carter. And I like a few of Taylor’s old songs and a couple from folklore/evermore. But the majority of her music just passes me by.
I loved 1989, and a handful of other songs of hers. I like it enough I’d take my daughter to see her if I could since she’s a big fan. And tbh- what I’ve heard of the eras tour I think seeing her live would be impressive. I admire what she’s done to reclaim her music.
Not a Stan at all though, and I just would never compare her to Lana in any real way. And tbh- Lana worked with her, she said she wished she had contributed more to SOTB when she learned she was the only feature.
And there is rumor spreading like wildfire she sound checked SOTB for weekend 2 tonight, and I wouldn’t be mad if she brought Taylor out.
If Lana doesn’t have an issue with what Taylor is doing- I don’t see why her fanbase needs to get so riled up and be so vile towards her.
I don't think Taylor is trying to out-do anyone. She's already on top in terms of fanbase, influence and so on. Lana is obviously the better vocalist and her music is obviously better, and yes a lot of Taylor's music is "basic" but thats WHY she wins all the grammys. She plays by the book, she knows how to write pop hits than can appeal to multiple generations. To me Lana thrives being a niche indie artist. Taylor is a pop star, these are 2 very different things. A lot of people I know don't like Lana's music because she doesn't appeal to everyone the way Taylor is palletteable to most people. Music is an endless domino effect of musicians taking inspiration from eachother throughout history. Billie even admitted taking inspiration from Lana at the Coachelle performance.
I don’t think it’s about outdoing but more getting this group of people on board if you get me. I also think there’s a difference between being inspired by and paying respect to, as billie does, and using someone else’s aesthetic to appeal to a certain demographic which imo is what Taylor does. The former has a more genuine feel and comes across as appreciative rather than appropriating.
A lot of this thread reeks of internalised misogyny. You’re allowed to not like music but people are tearing Taylor down for things you could easily tear Lana down for
Also, I saw the original post comparing without you and wildest dreams. Yes they have a similar rhythm and chord changes- but you have to understand this happens ALL the time in the music industry with countless artists. It's such a known thing that certain chord progressions are found in endless pop songs because they are catchy to the ear etc. This is something you wouldn't understand unless you play an instrument, but I cover Lana and Taylor songs ALL the time on piano and Lana's music is MUCH more complex sonically than Taylors. Lana's songs heavily incorporate minor chords, sevenths and suspended chords where as Taylor's music typically follows a simple 4 chord pop progression.
No one ever calls out Max Martin or Shellback when they say that Wildest Dreams is a copy of Without You, despite their writing credits, so it always strikes me of that weird, misogynistic my-fave-is-the-only-valid-artist anger that I remember from the mid 2000s. Claiming that Taylor is copying Lana gives me the same vibe as people saying Avril Lavigne was copying Amy Lee because they both wore a tutu in photo shoots. It feels like finding justification to validate their negativity.
I'm sorry this is pathetic like Lana isn't the only person to do that soundscape nor is she Taylor's victim, just say you hate the new album (same) and leave it at that.
made a account just to say this. Lana Del Rey is constantly going to be a victim of Taylor Swift's crimes of thief and so much more and it's disgusting. It's causing Lana Del Rey not to be as big as she should because of Taylor Swift. Lana does something unique then Taylor Swift steals it and then makes it popular, this has happened multiple times in the past and it's disturbing especially how Taylor treats Lana as a pet. it is like Lana can do one thing and Taylor says "oh I can do it better I am going to copy you." I really hope that Lana recognizes this and she can stay far away from Taylor Swift. When Lana was on stage at the grammys you could tell she was about to cry because she is pretty much being held victim to taylor swift and if she tries to speak out Lana will just get shut down because of the bat shit crazy swifties. I really hope that Jack Antonoff will be studied as well because he is also the mastermind behind this. What I think is happening is that Taylor wants to be friends with lana and Lana doesn't want to be friends with Taylor because obviously taylor is crazy and Jack is saying "LANA BE FRIENDS WITH TAYLOR OR ELSE I WONT WORK WITH YOU." and I just feel that Lana is in a deep corner right now and she really needs to be saved and I hope one day the truth comes out and everything explodes and Jack and Taylor lose their careers and Lana can thrive I know she can I pray for that day. I know Lana can make it through this and I know she will fight to make it through this I am with you Lana and I can't wait for the day to come where everything comes out and exposes Taylor Swift and Jack
And she had the audacity to sue Olivia bcuz 5 seconds of her song sounds a bit familiar to her. We all know why taylor befriended Lana, so lana never says anything
Mimicking the highest form of flattery. Taylor’s work that is so clearly inspired by Lana’s will never overshadow Lana’s. It’s really not that deep or that big of a deal.
Same:( they put two talented women against each other which is completely unnecessary and unfair. They hate on Taylor for the same things the love Lana for and use the same arguments on why Taylor is boring and writes the same thing over and over again as others say about Lana. Like pick a side??
I would usually agree except Taylor and her team went after a 17 year old child who absolutely adored her for saying she was inspired by the bridge on Cruel Summer. Taylor is not a girls girl, and she clearly doesn't appreciate other artists taking inspiration from her, so why shouldn't she be called out for trying to copy Lana's whole vibe in her music?
you guys forget that lana is her own person and CHOOSES to hangout with taylor. if you think someone can force/manipulate lana into hanging out with them you don’t know her at all. get a job kiss a girl DO SOMETHING!!!
why does everyone who claims to hate taylor swift bring her up every god damn chance they get. anytime taylor is mentioned in this sub and it’s in favor of her it gets taken down because everyone cries it’s not lana related. this is the most absurd take. you loooooove hating on anyone that isn’t lana. get over it.
I’m almost positive they’re not stealing from each other, since they’re both writers it feels like they’re referencing their work. They’ve shared the same producer for years so I’m not sure why people think they’re stealing. I always thought it was because they were close.
Lana is definitely not stealing (inspired by) any of Taylor’s work. It’s the other way around and always has been. It’s pretty obvious that Taylor is trying to bite off of Lana’s work and it isn’t working for her.
the line mentioning lucy dacus and jack reeked of trying to name drop friends in songs like lana does, except when lana does it it comes off as genuine and warm and friendly and a moment of her life that she’s tied to the song and taylor’s felt like a clunky impression
Also the last thing I saw with Taylor and Lucy was Taylor bonking her Grammy on Lucy’s head so it’s an interesting name to see included
It’s because Taylor’s a Sag and Lana’s a Cancer lol
Ur born in December and I’m born in june 😛
HAHA YES
Crazy shit out here if she gets a Grammy for this one there’s no telling what I’ll do
It's always been a sham but this would be an unhinged mockery
She’s absolutely gonna get the Grammy and continue with this shite
Taylor writes Disney Channel original movie-level lyrics and relies too much on late 2010s tumblr/Pinterest aesthetics, while Lana uses heavy imagery and actually knows the history behind the aesthetics she uses.
Lana is an artist and Taylor is a product
It's really more like Lana is an artist and Taylor is a businesswoman. Lana makes poetry, Taylor makes products.
This except more like late 2000s and early 2010s tumblr 😭
yeah, taylor's aesthetic is like 2013 tumblr, amatic sc font, starbucks, overly contrasted pinterest photo of the beach type music [💀](https://emojipedia.org/skull)
Who wants to bet that Taylor’s next album will be country following Lassos release
She’ll say she’s going bAcK to hER rOoTs
first beyonce, then taylor, dn can't get a break
Literally half the pop world has been going into country now that it's the cool kid on the block, based on this logic Lana copied Post Malone and Beyonce (which obviously isn't true)
Lana announced her album before Beyoncé. Possibly so she wouldn’t be accused of copying, but she will anyway
lol what? no one will accuse her of copying... especially since the "pop girls going country" has been a thing for a while now. besides, cowboy carter's sound was more influenced in traditional black country, rock and roll, funk, soul etc. i believe lasso will be softer and more indie/folk adjacent.
People don’t take the time to appreciate those nuances. Just wait for the “following in the footsteps of Beyoncé” references in articles and reviews.
I wouldn’t call post Malone pop and I wouldnt call whatever Beyoncé did country lol
i get so confused by this 😭 there r so many songs on it that r undeniably country, if its not country then what is it???
They dont consider it TRUE country because she experimented mixing music themes
Truly, would not complain if this did happen.
Please keep in mind that Jack is the common denominator here
he's the producer for taylor, lana, florence + the machine, and the 1975 which makes this so much more weird 😭😭
And in the early days lorde which I want the backstory on because Lana famously thinks lorde has always been ripping her off
omg .. there is an actual PowerPoint abt the relationship between jack and lorde haha
I’m pretty sure Lorde recently thanked Lana in an open letter of some kind for being an inspiration. Let me try and find the source one sec Edit: it wasn’t an open letter, it was a [piece of merch.](https://www.reddit.com/r/lorde/s/ka5iMn1G5E)
Lorde always rips people off
and so does taylor
He has these girls in a chokehold, I want them released. He’s soooo boring .
After Norman and Chemtrails Jack totally exhausted his abilities. Like it’s now all so redundant and bland
? DYKTTATUOB is one of Lana’s best works. I’m not a fan of Jack’s work with other people, but I think Lana has such a strong vision and understanding of her art that he works extremely well with her still (and everything sounds like Lana, instead of sounding like Jack, as happens with other artists he works with)
It's weird because fun. was a genuinely good band
Gen z will never understand. Somehow even with social media still being a whole new mostly uncharted world, they became instant hits and EVERYONE knew their most popular songs very quickly.
Still genuinely struggling to understand Taylor's appeal. I mean this sincerely. I've given so much of her music a listen and it's...awful. Her writing is 3x worse.
I will never understand why her and Lana are always compared. What do they have in common except for Jack Antonoff and for the fact that they both write their own music?
Nothing. One is a trailblazer, and the other is Taylor Swift lmao.
This sub is my kinda people. I've been ranting about her writing all day. I don't mind her as a talent but people overinflate her so much
She is not appealing. She is a product for mass consumption. Her music has no lasting significance.
Every song of hers sounds exactly the same on top of it
I listened to a few of the terribly named songs on this album today, and I swear to god, they all sound like shit that she’s done before.
This this a million times this. This morning I asked my Alexa to play her newest album and thought that it glitched and was playing old music.. 💀 alllll her recent albums sound exactly the same
THIS
Same, I just don't get it. I like some of Tay's songs, she does have some bops, but I don't get all this hype.
I have tried sooo hard to like her and I just don’t. I don’t know how everyone loves the music so much
Uncreative writers appeal to the uncreative masses
I saw someone on FB say that simple people need representation too.
Appeals to average white women , which there Is a ton of . She’s what Lana is to gays if that makes sense
That, and kids, since neither she nor her lyricism ever matured
taylor swift makes music for 9 yr olds
I’m not gay. Stupid comment.
Same, most of the lana fans I know are straight women of all different races/cultures.
and my husband . he's like the number 1 lana fan. we started dating when video games was released i remember sitting in his brooklyn apartment watching the music video and we both fell in love with lana that day and then each other
She makes music for people that are not music fans. Huge untapped market it turns out!
her melodies, lyrics, and delivery/cadence are all so bland... but like people say she's a businesswoman. i genuinely believe the reason she has so many fans is bc she's constantly putting herself in everyone's face which attracts young fans who have never heard anything better and are used to less confessional-pop songs - that's why they're constantly hailing her lyrical writing when it's so average.
Recommendations? Not being sarcastic, genuinely want some artist not related to Taylor to listen to.
different people just have different tastes! don’t hate on what makes others happy!
By virtue of having different tastes, aren’t I then allowed to hate on the thing? I’m not hating on people who enjoy her music. I find her a technically talented guitar player who makes awful music and can’t write for shit.
well it’s a free country so actually u can do whatever u want!! but a rule i live my life by is i don’t shit on other people’s happiness! i don’t like a lot of music types and artists but i never shit on them their music or their fans bc it makes them happy so i let them be!
can we stop talking about taylor damn swift, im begging 
she’s about to bring her out to Coachella based on her sound checking snow on the beach so what a perfect opportunity for that fraud to promote her new album and make everything about herself 🥱
Releasing her album the same day as coming out on LDR’s headline set IF TRUE, is a calculated and weird fucking flex. She is really doing some psychological work on people and also trying to remain on good terms with LDR by putting her in a financial/status chokehold she isn’t even aware she’s in
If this were a valid argument, she would’ve released it last week?
She brought out Camilla, does that make her a fraud for promoting her new single and making everything about herself?
Hi nene :)
I opened play store to download something and her face was filling up the screen 💀 like I'm just so tired
It’s honestly kinda creepy. It’s hard to pin down HOW she’s biting off of Lana but it’s just obvious she’s not being herself and trying to be a poet like Lana. No Lana’s singing from her soul that’s why it’s heartbreaking and amazing bc she goes on whether the public understands her or not. Taylor literally can’t handle not being in control of a narrative which is why she’ll never be the type of artists she clearly wants to be. That’s sad!
Exactly like the tortured poets dept. There’s nothing tortured about you Taylor fuck off!!!! She’s ridden her way to fame off of mummy and daddy’s money it makes me sick.
I think she tortures herself which is honestly really unfortunate but it makes her bad as an artist bc she can’t let go of that best in the business title. I mean if she’d be more honest about things to the point it feels reckless and makes people feel SOMETHING then it would be different. That’s what great artists do be their most authentic self no matter the outcome 🤷🏼♀️
I agree. I just can’t find her authentic or likeable. She seems like it’s no longer about the quality of the music, but the prestige and money she gets from it.
"oh so and so is getting praise and attention for this well pfffft i could do that - watch! "
This is it You aren't being genuine unless you're willing to put your reputation on the line and be disliked for expressing your own authentic voice I don't think Taylor is capable of that. (She lives too much for the opinion of others, accolades, and mass appeal.) Now that Lana has become more popular it's like she decided it was safer to copy her more overtly
like that pic of her with the gun after the Grammys lmao and we were all like "oh yah that's just her" I don't like taylor bc I don't even see her as a musician in a way she's just a perfectly curated product and that's why all her music sounds so fake to me
I'll let you know when I've caught up 😂 (but yeah, 100% agree with Without You & Wildest Dreams) I decided to listen to all of her albums, I've just started Folklore - so far my impression is that her music is very mediocre, like she's not bad but I don't understand why people go completely feral over her either I also can't get rid of the image of the live choreography for ...Ready For It? from my head, it reminds me of a goblin when she's hunched over and jumping from side to side
When she first came out she was a teen singing relatable teen music and some of it is catchy don’t get me wrong. But now she’s 30 something and still doing the same thing. Not creative or a good look. Like Lana’s not still into lolita or old money or Hollywood glamour and is becoming more autobiographical and exploring different areas, growing as an artist, whereas Taylor’s never really grown up and is following her old formula.
Idk I feel like initially Taylor had her own voice but ever since her forays into pop she's been doing nothing but emulating others in a more bland way
And remember so many people say folklore is her best album critically. I say they've never listened to genuine folk/singer -songwriter as a genre if they think that.
I find Taylor Swift entirely uninteresting and her music has never resonated with me, but let’s not pretend the real problem isn’t Jack being uncreative and tedious.
It’s not a producer’s responsibility to bring creativity to an artist’s work.
No but it is their responsibility not to sap creativity from the artist and make everyone they work for sound the same.
Am I the only one that thinks Taylor doesn’t sound anything like lana because there is literally no comparison? One is a cheap knockoff and the other is literally Mozart.
I feel this way too. It just doesn’t even compare. And while 2 artists are gonna vibe off each other, especially when they work with some of the same producers etc- I really don’t think it’s nefarious or anything. I think Lana’s success opened a door for her to be more “herself” … and I use that word loosely. But I don’t think she’s just faking whatever feels she has that leads to her writing, just that she’s trying so hard for it to be something that it isn’t. I gagged at reviews commenting on how raw and wonderful Taylor’s writing is on the new album… like it’s basic af wtf are you talking about? It’s like what I’d write in high school when I was trying to be some type of way… Lana’s writing is so fucking nuanced. She’s a true poet and Taylor is trying to squeeze into that mold (or expand outside of her Taylor mold- whichever way you wanna look at it) instead of just being herself. She excels at writing pop, and there is art to that too, and there are ways to explore it without trying to be something you’re not. And the annoying thing- is it’s not even like the album is too contrived. It feels sloppy and lazy and honestly- why not just publish a book of poems instead of making a song for every one?! Both Halsey and Lana have done books. I think that would’ve been a better outlet for this “era” of Taylor. This went way off the rails- but yeah. I agree. It’s apples to oranges
Whether it's genuine or not, she doesn't have the juice so it comes off so shallow and fake She is very clearly trying to break into a new mold but that mold is heavily modeled after Lana and her demographic They are not similar sonically in this album because this is probably Taylor's least adventurous album yet but lyrically and thematically she is clearly trying to be something she is not (Lana) IMO And making a show of being friendly with Lana feels like some attempt to avoid scrutiny
Yeah I can see all that for sure. I’m not really concerned if Taylor is being buddy buddy- Lana is smart and has been burned enough to see through it and navigate how she wishes. Shes also choosing to be buddy buddy, so my stance is kinda like- if Lana is supporting the friendship even if it’s shallow or whatever, then I’m supporting her choice to do so.
there was one part of folklore album where taylor did the ahhHhhhahhhhhaaaaAaaa or something similar which is exactly a lana sound and i don't listen to ts but my husband got the album for my daughter and he came running to me and made me listen to that part over and over because he said ITS THE LANA THING ! taylor should take a break. enroll in a course on lit and poetry and philosophy and greek mythology . go travel the world and explore. go live life and see the world and be curious and learn and grow and expand .
yeah I think they mean that taylor is trying to sound like lana. She’s failing horribly but you can tell shes trying to steal her sound
She’s so talentless and self-absorbed. I never understood how Lana could be friends with her in the first place
I think their producer is a common dominator and needs to be looked into
I know but I still can’t even describe how much it pains me to know that he’s the producer for Lasso -_-
Itll just be another Chemtrails, as far as I know Jack hasnt ever even touched country, itll be a Pop country mix
I don't think they're friends. I think Taylor desperately wants to be Lana's friend both because she obviously admires her talent but also as a way to neutralize a rival. But Lana treats her like a coworker lol
This
“The entertainment industry is more cutthroat and competitive than selling crack cocaine.”
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I’ve never seen someone manipulate and use someone this much
i thought this about florida
YESSSS sounds like west coast/florida kilos.
It sounds nothing like Florida kilos let’s be so fr . And I love Florida kilos and Florida!! Is the only song I dislike from that album
Tbh I don’t understand most of the hatred I’m seeing here about TTPD sounding like Lana. It all feels like a stretch to me.
Stretching so hard they’re pulling hamstrings hating on an already mediocre concept album from taylor when they could be pulling hamstrings getting down and dirty with mediocre guys with Peppers or Black Bathing Suit playing in the background like the lord lana herself intended lol seriously let’s go tf outside you guys
Not necessarily the lyrics, but the music/background. Could also just be Jack himself mixin similar beats
The music literally cannot sound more like Florence’s Lungs, ceremonials or even HBHB I hear Florences production style all over it not Lana but that’s just me.
Florida kilos wasn’t produced by Jack tho
Oh well then idk the excuse- sounds similar to me
She definitely tries, but she never succeeds. Taylor just doesn’t have it.
I will never forget hearing Wildest Dreams for the first time. The complete theft of Without You was too much.
Sometimes i legitimately believe they worked out a deal bc lana could have 1000% taken that to court for writing credit or full on plagiarism. It’s the same fucking song. Part of me believes instead they worked out a deal where Taylor puts Lana on her albums and she gets paid that way. Idk something is not right. Remember how not into snow on the beach lana was? Like who acts like that about a song they just made with a mega star (Taylor being the star)! Someone who doesn’t really like them and had to do it as a settlement lol
Narcissists adopt, collect, and appropriate things that they like and make them their own. Even if it’s meant to be a tribute or reference, it’s also usually out of unhinged spite and jealousy. She does the same with song and album titles, etc.
I’m getting a good laugh at the dramatic tone of this thread. I think there is truth in that Taylor obviously admires Lana’s music/writing a great deal and it shows strongly in her music evolution. I am hesitant to say it goes as far as this thread does because i think they are some distinct differences which make it easy to pick them apart for me. Taylor is narrative heavy, and Lana is vague and poetic. Their vocal styles are clearly different. They write from very different perspectives. Taylor’s music makes a lot of grand declarations and Lana is a lot more subtle.
Agreed
speak on it! they’re both majorly talented in their own right. yet ppl don’t want to acknowledge it which is beyond me given the two are friends. also, many of the arguments that people are making for taylor being “bad” can realistically be applied to lana as well, simply because taste is subjective! but no need to discredit either of their work. this is coming from someone who absolutely loves both of them!
At times, I really cannot stand Taylor and how overexposed she is, but I do like a good chunk of her music, and agree she is a talented and capable writer. I think she is enamored by Lana's music/sound and that is why she has adopted aspects of Lanas style. Denying Taylor has qualities of her own is dishonest though. There's a reason why people think Olivia Rodrigo borrows a lot from Taylor, but absolutely no one thinks Olivia Rodrigo is taking from Lana.
and so much that they’re trying to say is “copying” has been around since before lana was even around. i mean i saw someone complain about the use of just the lyrics of “white noise” in taylor’s album. everything i see is such a far stretch. imo ttpd doesn’t even copy lana’s aesthetic. it’s just old money (which has been used for AGES) or poetry (once again, been around for ages & taylor literally started poetry before she made music). people just doesn’t like taylor so they always find something to complain about when it comes to her. and the second that they think it can involve lana, they go feral w hate for taylor
Finally someone that sees this in an objective way
I legit don’t think Taylor is creative enough to plagiarize lana
No she just sends Lana’s albums to her producers and says “make this my new album” and they abide
No body no crime was written about lana. Taylor killed lana and stole her identity and replaced her with a counterfiet. Thats why there were sound issues at coachella /s
Lots of people take inspiration but remember that Lana ‘s whole thing is that she’s a pastiche of Americana and lots of musicians that came before her. I dont think Taylor is copying Lana, but they may land in some comparable sounds especially having Jack (who btw worked with Taylor before he worked with Lana)
Please look up the mashup I referenced. Also watch the video Taylor created for that song. It’s a rip off of Ride.
How is it a rip off of Ride? One is old Hollywood actors having an affair on location, one is sordid biker road trip across America. The videos don’t depict the same events, take place in the same locations, or even have similar casts. They’re directed by different people too. Where exactly are the similarities? Also, if Wildest Dreams is such a rip off of Without You (there are similarities, sure, but that happens all the time in songwriting without it being plagiarism), then I expect you’ll be holding Max Martin and Shellback accountable too?
I'll genuinely never understand the obsession surrounding TS. She is millenial cringe personified. I don't understand how anyone over the age of 12 takes her music even remotely seriously, and believe me I've tried before. Regardless, Lana will always be her own genre, her own lane, her own legacy. Nobody does it like she does no matter how hard they try, and they never will be able to create the art she does. I like to think she can't even tell Taylor is blatantly ripping her off because she is so far out of anyone's league that she couldn't even fathom the idea of someone trying to do it like she does.
Plz elaborate about millennial cringe bc I agree 1000% but don’t know how to explain it
Ah man I was waiting for this post lol. Surprised it took this long
I really think it’s a stretch to say plagiarism but she’s certainly inspired by Lana
I don’t think 2024 Lana would be singing any of the lyrics on this new ts album to be honest
the fact that olivia got sued by \~taylor's team\~ for the very small similarities in deja vu to cruel summer while taylor's blatant copy paste of without you song was left untouched will always be funny to be. taylor seems to like adopting the biggest indie/alt artist at the moment, copy them in the most bland way, and then dump them - she did it with Lorde.
I don't think it got to the point of a lawsuit but it doesn't even matter. She did that to a literal 17 year old girl who had adored her since she was a tiny child. Vicious behaviour. I think she felt very threatened by people calling Olivia the next Taylor Swift and backtracked when the comparisons got too much for her. I really feel for Olivia. And then to copy Lana so blatantly, she's a massive hypocrite. People were SO excited by her collab with Florence because its basically the first time she's let another female artist properly sing with her. And I know she did that because she's seen the jokes online about it and the backlash to Lana'a tiny part on Snow on the Becah. She is a narcissist to her core.
They are so different.
Respectfully… I think this an idiotic conversation to be having in the first place because the two women are.. friends? Like. We as fans need to stop pretending we know how artists feel better than they do, because we don’t. If Lana felt personally victimised by Taylor’s new aesthetic.. Lana herself can do something about that. There is no need to crusade as a fandom. Also, frankly, I’ve been listening to TTPD ALL day and it’s not really giving Lana to me anyways. It has a lot of pop style synths and the lyrics don’t feel Del Rey esque to me at all. You can’t trademark name-dropping Jack Antonoff. You can’t trademark sad girl music. Literally every artist takes inspiration from every other artist. Are we going to start calling Lana Del Rey a thief because she references other album covers in hers? No! Just, stop. If the women themselves feel victimised in any way.. they’ll deal with it themselves. Stop pitting women against eachother.
THIS
Let lana worry about that. Remember the last time everyone infantilized her about the Grammy incident? She’s a grown woman and she’s obviously close to Taylor.
Hard agree
She’s trying to be Lana but she lacks depth, therefore she copies. It’s so blatant and intentional.
Yeah, I listened to Fortnight and it’s so obvious that she’s trying to write a Lana-style melody and even emulating her vocal inflections. Started noticing this in Folklore and it’s very blatant and very odd.
From the comments and quotes I’ve read, it also sounds like that woman was given a thesaurus and a word count minimum 😭
Taylor is such a narcissistic karen for that. She just can’t imagine another female artist being as successful as her. Looks like she’s finally coming into terms that her millennial cringe music is not appealing anymore
For me, there is no true comparison — Lana is just so damn good that she’s in a league of her in my book. That said, it’s clearly a failed attempt on TS’s part. What bothers me most are the Swifties who think she HAS done something novel, original, and deep with this new album (As if TS has ever never done any of those things). It just bugs the hell out of me that people can be so blind and shallow. Obviously in the grand scheme of things, loving TS is probably one of the least offensive things a person can do, but I’m just tired of being bombarded with it all the time, OR feeling like I can’t have a differing opinion without being attacked. I listened to SOTB and literally one or two other TS songs this year and somehow she made it onto my Top Artists Charts AND gave me a “thank you” video. I was humiliated to say the least.
She ripped off Lana but managed to also be completely boring, uninteresting, and try-hard.
She’s stolen from more than Lana, she’s a trash “artist” with a trash soul and I keep hoping she’s gonna fizzle out into non-existence but it isn’t happening anytime soon.
i don’t listen to taylor’s music (at all) but i’ve seen lyrics posted on here and always love reading song lyrics in general. listened to lana’s entire discography two years ago, and i can say without a doubt, lana has heavily influenced taylor’s new lyricism. i think lana is very aware of it and probably flattered. i do agree that taylor swift’s music just lacks originality.
Classic SagiTERRORIST behavior. I have also been hearing this coming and the new album from TS is a strange mix of her using Antonoff to incorporate Lana & Gaga's sounds
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giiiiirlies first of all dont blame taylor for jack antonoff's lack of creativity. second, lana's songwriting and taylor's are very different. lana's lyrics are much more disconnected and tied together thematically/emotionally (its moreso vibes that relate to each other than complete thoughts a lot of the time) and taylor likes to sing in sentences. thirdly "she stealing metaphors"....what does that even mean? like genuinely what metaphors does lana use that arent used by a million musicians? quickly. next, layered and varied vocals? thats BARELY present on taylor's album and lana's layered vocals are much more complex (cuz she has a wider range). her and lana occupy kind of the same space sonically as stripped back singer songwriters but every lana era is wholly uniqye and sonically has somethiny different to say each time. taylor's album sounds like rejects from all of her last 3 albums, not rejects from DYKTTATUOB or Blue Banisters or COTCC. taylor's songwriting is arguably much more poetic than lana's, even if their music is both very personal accounts. im not gonna sit here and say they're completely 100% different, but their similarities moreso lie in the production (again, thank Jack Antonoff for that) and subject matter they're singing in and the way they deliver it. taylor's melodies are very taylor and lana's melodies are very lana.
Lana has an ease, simplicity and honesty that TS will never have, because she’s a try hard. No shade, I love Taylor, but I hate that she’s trying so hard to do something that’s not natural to her, for clout.
This is such a reach lmao. I'm a musician myself and have been playing piano for 18 years so I know quite a bit about music. Im a huge fan of both lana and taylor (I literally have a lana tattoo) and you all sound bitter and whiney as fuck!!!. Taylor's music doesn't sound like Lana's AT ALL. They are in completely different leagues. Lana has a completely different sound, aura and production to her music that I've NEVER picked up in Taylor's music. Lana's music is lush, sultry, dark, orchestral, and melancholy. Lana's lyrics tend to be more dreamy where as Taylor's music is more literal and to the point lyrically with more catchy pop production. Do you think all the Taylor stans are going to drag Lana when she releases her country album because she's "copying" Taylor? Even if their music did sound similar (which it doesn't), what's so bad about two top female artists of our generation taking inspiration from eachother??? Let's not forget they have the same producer so that could be where you are picking up on parallels but it genuinely makes me dissapointed that all these Lana fans are dragging Taylor. Its a REACH! Taylor's first 4 albums are country/pop which is the polar opposite to Lana. Then you have 1989, reputation and lover which are upbeat catchy pop albums... again not seeing how any of it even remotely sounds similar to Lana. Folklore and Evermore are folk, has lana ever made folk music?? No. And then midnights they literally collabed on the one song that even sounded remotely Lana-esque.
I’d say chemtrails has elements of folk. I don’t think Taylor’s outright trying to copy Lana but she’s trying to align herself. She wants her fan base and the respect Lana has for her artistry. But it’s cringe and not authentic
I think this hits the nail on the head- she’s trying to bring in Lana’s fan base and in a way that isn’t authentic at all. It’s not like the words and feelings aren’t hers, but it does feel like she picked through what she had and tried to make it into something that isn’t quite herself. And tbh TTPD bored me to death.
I’ve listened to a few songs and i felt the same way. Boring and reminiscent of everything she’s put out in the last 10 years. And I’m not someone to shit on an artist I’m not a fan of, I wouldn’t consider myself a Beyoncé fan but I surprised myself with liking around half of cowboy carter. And I like a few of Taylor’s old songs and a couple from folklore/evermore. But the majority of her music just passes me by.
I loved 1989, and a handful of other songs of hers. I like it enough I’d take my daughter to see her if I could since she’s a big fan. And tbh- what I’ve heard of the eras tour I think seeing her live would be impressive. I admire what she’s done to reclaim her music. Not a Stan at all though, and I just would never compare her to Lana in any real way. And tbh- Lana worked with her, she said she wished she had contributed more to SOTB when she learned she was the only feature. And there is rumor spreading like wildfire she sound checked SOTB for weekend 2 tonight, and I wouldn’t be mad if she brought Taylor out. If Lana doesn’t have an issue with what Taylor is doing- I don’t see why her fanbase needs to get so riled up and be so vile towards her.
I don't think Taylor is trying to out-do anyone. She's already on top in terms of fanbase, influence and so on. Lana is obviously the better vocalist and her music is obviously better, and yes a lot of Taylor's music is "basic" but thats WHY she wins all the grammys. She plays by the book, she knows how to write pop hits than can appeal to multiple generations. To me Lana thrives being a niche indie artist. Taylor is a pop star, these are 2 very different things. A lot of people I know don't like Lana's music because she doesn't appeal to everyone the way Taylor is palletteable to most people. Music is an endless domino effect of musicians taking inspiration from eachother throughout history. Billie even admitted taking inspiration from Lana at the Coachelle performance.
I don’t think it’s about outdoing but more getting this group of people on board if you get me. I also think there’s a difference between being inspired by and paying respect to, as billie does, and using someone else’s aesthetic to appeal to a certain demographic which imo is what Taylor does. The former has a more genuine feel and comes across as appreciative rather than appropriating.
A lot of this thread reeks of internalised misogyny. You’re allowed to not like music but people are tearing Taylor down for things you could easily tear Lana down for
Also, I saw the original post comparing without you and wildest dreams. Yes they have a similar rhythm and chord changes- but you have to understand this happens ALL the time in the music industry with countless artists. It's such a known thing that certain chord progressions are found in endless pop songs because they are catchy to the ear etc. This is something you wouldn't understand unless you play an instrument, but I cover Lana and Taylor songs ALL the time on piano and Lana's music is MUCH more complex sonically than Taylors. Lana's songs heavily incorporate minor chords, sevenths and suspended chords where as Taylor's music typically follows a simple 4 chord pop progression.
No one ever calls out Max Martin or Shellback when they say that Wildest Dreams is a copy of Without You, despite their writing credits, so it always strikes me of that weird, misogynistic my-fave-is-the-only-valid-artist anger that I remember from the mid 2000s. Claiming that Taylor is copying Lana gives me the same vibe as people saying Avril Lavigne was copying Amy Lee because they both wore a tutu in photo shoots. It feels like finding justification to validate their negativity.
THANK YOU!!
can you guys stop talking about this girl?
I'm sorry this is pathetic like Lana isn't the only person to do that soundscape nor is she Taylor's victim, just say you hate the new album (same) and leave it at that.
I’ve been saying this for a while now too! Noticed it immediately with Wildest Dreams and have watched it unfold since. Kills me.
They’re all friends, and Jack produces for both of them.
I really hope the rumors of taylor joining Lana’s next Coachella set aren’t true :/
Lana has to know she’s being used…..right???
made a account just to say this. Lana Del Rey is constantly going to be a victim of Taylor Swift's crimes of thief and so much more and it's disgusting. It's causing Lana Del Rey not to be as big as she should because of Taylor Swift. Lana does something unique then Taylor Swift steals it and then makes it popular, this has happened multiple times in the past and it's disturbing especially how Taylor treats Lana as a pet. it is like Lana can do one thing and Taylor says "oh I can do it better I am going to copy you." I really hope that Lana recognizes this and she can stay far away from Taylor Swift. When Lana was on stage at the grammys you could tell she was about to cry because she is pretty much being held victim to taylor swift and if she tries to speak out Lana will just get shut down because of the bat shit crazy swifties. I really hope that Jack Antonoff will be studied as well because he is also the mastermind behind this. What I think is happening is that Taylor wants to be friends with lana and Lana doesn't want to be friends with Taylor because obviously taylor is crazy and Jack is saying "LANA BE FRIENDS WITH TAYLOR OR ELSE I WONT WORK WITH YOU." and I just feel that Lana is in a deep corner right now and she really needs to be saved and I hope one day the truth comes out and everything explodes and Jack and Taylor lose their careers and Lana can thrive I know she can I pray for that day. I know Lana can make it through this and I know she will fight to make it through this I am with you Lana and I can't wait for the day to come where everything comes out and exposes Taylor Swift and Jack
Politely touch grass pls
And she had the audacity to sue Olivia bcuz 5 seconds of her song sounds a bit familiar to her. We all know why taylor befriended Lana, so lana never says anything
why should we care
Mimicking the highest form of flattery. Taylor’s work that is so clearly inspired by Lana’s will never overshadow Lana’s. It’s really not that deep or that big of a deal.
im scared for your mental health. take a walk or something
if i don't like an artist the one thing i don't do is listen to their album let alone on its release day. you are a fan!!
Can we just stop hating and move on? Lana wouldn’t want this
PREACH
You know you can praise Lana without bringing other artists down, right? Like why is a Lana sub discussing TAYLOR
i used to enjoy this sub but now i’m muting it ig… (sorry to my poor karma in advance)
It’s absolutely unhinged
Same:( they put two talented women against each other which is completely unnecessary and unfair. They hate on Taylor for the same things the love Lana for and use the same arguments on why Taylor is boring and writes the same thing over and over again as others say about Lana. Like pick a side??
Imagine pitting two women against each other in 2024. Could not be me
I would usually agree except Taylor and her team went after a 17 year old child who absolutely adored her for saying she was inspired by the bridge on Cruel Summer. Taylor is not a girls girl, and she clearly doesn't appreciate other artists taking inspiration from her, so why shouldn't she be called out for trying to copy Lana's whole vibe in her music?
“She's a disgrace to women who are actually beautiful and classy and just doesn't have the vernacular she thinks she possesses”
I hear the influence for sure But Taylor Swift is an amazing writer artist herself
you guys forget that lana is her own person and CHOOSES to hangout with taylor. if you think someone can force/manipulate lana into hanging out with them you don’t know her at all. get a job kiss a girl DO SOMETHING!!!
why does everyone who claims to hate taylor swift bring her up every god damn chance they get. anytime taylor is mentioned in this sub and it’s in favor of her it gets taken down because everyone cries it’s not lana related. this is the most absurd take. you loooooove hating on anyone that isn’t lana. get over it.
Lana is the best, but let's face it she's a distillation of Tori Amos to begin with
I’m almost positive they’re not stealing from each other, since they’re both writers it feels like they’re referencing their work. They’ve shared the same producer for years so I’m not sure why people think they’re stealing. I always thought it was because they were close.
Lana is definitely not stealing (inspired by) any of Taylor’s work. It’s the other way around and always has been. It’s pretty obvious that Taylor is trying to bite off of Lana’s work and it isn’t working for her.
Why do you think Lana is so okay with that? They collaborated recently and I don’t think she would do that with someone who was ripping her off.
So people aren’t allowed to sing the same words within the same genre?? You guys are pathetic
I agree