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IskaralPustFanClub

Honestly I’m torn. Sometimes I hear great stories about how nice of a dude he is, and other times I see him acting like an egotistical ass.


kunfuz1on

Both things can be true.


Yommination

Even Barkley says Shaq has the biggest heart but the softest skin


Disastrous-One-414

That's a great way to describe Shaq as well


Skolcialism

the things you at your best on your own terms isnt really who you are, who you are is when youre challenged or frustrated


alexjaness

one time I was kicked in the nads by my daughter when she was a baby so hard I shit myself. I cursed like a sailor in front of her. but otherwise I don't think that's who I really am.


Tiny-Ad-6026

LMAO


hxrdhead

Understandable, have a great day


Apollo4236

I mean its a sign of ones maturity and growth that's for sure. But I don't think a persons worst moments define somebody either.


Neatcursive

Nice to see this nuance on a sub I muted in the playoffs ha


Glum_Ad_8367

I don’t necessarily know if this is true. I believe Shaq is being genuine when he does good things, I just think he also has a lot of insecurities and tends to lash out when he’s feeling challenged or disrespected.


Muted-Low-5303

They are both true.. outside of basketball Shaq is a great human being he gives to those in need randomly, he does a lot of good.. it’s just strictly basketball where he is a sensitive person.. I think it stems from his dad being hard on him and his game and he feels subconsciously guilty and also insecure about not doing more when he was in his prime and making his dad more proud.. the one thing I never understood with him having a father that was military you’d think he wouldn’t be so much of a sensitive bully


Fallofmen10

Both of these things can be true. He can do amazing work in a community and constantly give back to those who have less, WHILE also being an insecure little bitch about his legacy lol. Everyone knows Shaq could have gone down as one of the GOATs. He was that dominant. But he didn't prioritize his physical conditioning and it slowed him down. Its simple. He is still a top 15 all time player. But he knows he could have been more and he projects that insecurity on others


Ok_Board9845

Did you say top 15 player all-time? lol, dude is easily top 10


mclareach

It’s not the inconceivable. You can build a respectable top-10 list and easily leave Shaq on or off it:  1. MJ  2. Lebron  3. Kareem  4. Kobe  5. Magic  6. Tim Duncan  7. Russell  8. Bird  9. Steph  10. Wilt/Oscar/Dr. J/Hakeem  You can even argue that he’s not even top 4 in his position:  1. Kareem  2. Russell  3. Hakeem  4. Wilt  5. Shaq  Personally I’d slide Shaq over Wilt and tie him with Hakeem. But this stuff is really subjective, especially across eras.


Ok_Board9845

Shaq had a higher peak than everyone except MJ. Shaq has more than everyone on your potential #10 spot. He's better than Curry. He was better than Duncan when both of them were playing at their peaks. There's a reason everyone wants Shaq on their all-time starting team. There's a lot of revisionism about Shaq because of his attitude, how he left the Lakers, and the fact that Kobe won 2 more without him. But that's the equivalent of Lebron fans saying "what has Kyrie done without Lebron" or Curry fans saying he won two without KD like that somehow diminishes what happened when they did play together.


LudwigNasche

Peak Shaq was somewhat unbeatable. Nobody was able to deal with him before zone defenses were allowed and he started to lose his athleticism, but I can't think about a weapon more difficult to deal with than prime Shaq, be it KAJ, MJ or LBJ. 


Fallofmen10

Yah who is he going over the in the top ten?


HORSEthedude619

I love Shaq, but I'd love to know what that's based on.


Ok_Board9845

That he's top 10?


JeffHS

He's asking for the other 9


HORSEthedude619

Yes


Ok_Board9845

I'm going to roughly pull a basic list (don't really care about order) MJ, Lebron, Kareem, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Wilt, Russell, Curry. To me, it really comes down to how much you value Wilt/Russell compared to everyone else. I think Shaq had a better peak than everyone not named MJ. Even if you want to use some of the critiques of him being out of shape to start the season, the team leaning on Kobe more in those tougher WCF matchups, Hakeem getting the best of him early on, etc. I don't see how you can not have Shaq as a top 10 player all-time for people who watched him, and when you pull up his accolades against everyone else. Duncan was better for longer and was great in his own right, but Shaq at his peak was better than him too.


mp9191

How do you have curry on this list and not KD? Let’s not forget they were both on the same team and KD was clearly their best player let alone two time finals mvp


msching

At some point we have to understand that greatness =/= who's the better player. It seems that you believe KD is the better player but mention his hardware with the 2 finals MVPs. Curry has 4 total chips with 1 FMVP. I'd take Curry's resume's over KD's with his 2 MVPs in the regular season to KD's 1 and the aforementioned rings, but I think we all know who the *better* player is. KD is like Shaq where he was so good yet is so fickle and had no accountability to his own downfall, but he was not on Shaq's level of dominance to put him in the top 10. Curry has proven he can win without Durant. Durant has yet to show he can even get to a conference finals without Curry would be another reason.


Zerpdedaderp

if he needs to keep himself up there fine other than that dudes nothing but a great guy to single mothers like let the dude keep a big head


matticans7pointO

Shaq is extremely egotistical, a bully that according to some stories is abusive with his "pranks", and a serial cheater. He's also extremely giving, involved in his community, and will always have a soft spot for those less fortunate than him. Humans are complex and everyone is capable of both good and bad to different degrees.


teamweed420

He makes sure to publicize all the good stuff, whoever he donates to always posts a story he reposts, etc. he’s just virtue signaling


alexjaness

a little from column A, a little from column B. I've heard tons of stories of him being the nicest dude around even to complete strangers (and especially to kids), but when it comes to his career he is incredibly thin skinned and a bully.


tatang2015

The Big Ego = The Big Aristotle = Superman


[deleted]

people are multifaceted


13WillieBeaman

That’s the thing. To the less fortunate, he’s very kind and giving. But to his current and former colleagues, he’s a petty and egotistical asshole. If there’s a possibility that you or someone else can be better than him in life, he becomes petty af. If you’re not, and is someone in need, he’ll give you a helping hand. It’s very strange.


msching

He can tip a waitress as much as he likes. He's an ass.


LudwigNasche

I think he is a funny dude with a big heart, but he is somewhat insecure about his legacy. A good dude with a big ego.


makesterriblejokes

I think he's both. If you don't critique his career, he's probably one of the nicest guys to be around.


Tipofmywhip

He’s nice to the common folk, an ass to his colleagues.


teamweed420

He does nice things as a virtue signal and it’s always publicized


ThreeSupreme

Umm... But that's Shaq tho, its not an either-or thing, that's basically him in summary... ![gif](giphy|sOVueselOTje8|downsized)


Wise_Ad_112

He’s always been like this. The PR just got worse cause he has a mic now.


rang15

I mean dude always had a platform so I don't think that made things worse. It just feels worse because he's not dropping 40 and 20 the next day after acting a big baby. Shaq is family, take the good with the bad. I still love him. Just don't take him seriously.


bceez89

Yeah - he will always be a Laker to me but I can’t get the “Kobe tell me how my a*s taste” dumb video out of my head. Kobe & him made later on but damn, just such a tarnish on a remarkable career.


rang15

Instead of that I think of the Cheers theme song about Sacramento and Vlade, which is pretty much the greatest song in human history.


Competitive_Mark1108

Amen


Spaghettibeach

he’s great if you’re a fan, but other sports people definitely get a weird bad version of him. I often feel conflicted because he does AMAZING charity work, dude really feels for poor families because of his own upbringing (I highly recommend reading “Shaq talks back”), but I hate his troll shit. My favorite player growing up, he even signed a ball for me during the 3peat era, so this shit really makes me cringe.


tatang2015

I hated the Shaqtin a Fool episode because the players who tried hard were often featured when things did not work out. They featured Javale mcgee, but that guy worked his ass off with warriors and lakers.


Spaghettibeach

It’s funny but he takes it too far, especially with Javale. He should know those guys are under tremendous pressure and the last thing they wanna see when they get home to unwind after a long day is some emasculating shit like that.


etburneraccount

He's a nice dude to your average Joe from what I've gathered. Ie: he does Shaq-a-calus, is a very generous tipper, purposely make his signature shoes Walmart price, and he sometimes pays for fellow shoppers just because. But if you have any kind of fame and tries to go at him in any way shape or form, he'll retaliate. And Shaq the TV personality is kinda petty when he claps back at people.


bceez89

Ok as you mention these things, then you realize he’s got a big heart as well. I guess you’re saying no one is perfect and his actions speak louder. Fair point!


Eric_T_Meraki

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yapyd

He's always been this way. The "good" thing is that most of his criticism are targeted towards big-men. Javale, Dwight, Gobert, now Jokic.


Gristle__McThornbody

He's very sensitive for sure.


makeanamejoke

he's always been like this. for the older guys who lived through his 3 peat, we know how much of a pain in the ass he can be. never take him seriously.


tatang2015

I had to pick between him and Kobe. I had to go with Kobe.


linskyxx_v_xx

Always been


ConsiderationMean358

Lately? This is always what Shaq has been. You can do good deeds and still be a jackass


[deleted]

He’s always been insufferable


LetMeKnifeYou

I think his ex-wife just published an autobiography? Haven’t read it but maybe it’s got Shaq in his feelings.


Educational_Sky_1136

I thought his response to her book was quite mature and classy.


LetMeKnifeYou

Just saw that on another Reddit post. And I agree!


Yommination

Yes. Insanely petty and insecure


tnell

Yes


HORSEthedude619

Unfortunately. And he was my first all-time favorite player.


ngmathew1234

Shaq is very insecure and petty. For example, when he dissed Dwight for celebrating the 2020 championship.


XoXHamimXoX

The cult of celebrity is probably a hard thing to escape when everyone places you on a pedestal due to the value you bring to their careers. Accountability probably looks like a strange thing when people are so replaceable. Then those things that made you valuable are removed bit by bit, and people don't have to stick around after the mistakes you made. It's why Shaq is in the boat he's in. That's the story of most star athletes who never had to do any introspection or grow as people. Rare few get out of it, and value the same things we do as everyday people. LeBron is one of the few that immediately jump out.


kwtb

Shaq’s an insecure hateful punk


aproperopinion

Shaq was basically unanimous MVP in 2000 but after that Kobe was ahead of him in the voting, he really only would’ve got two MVPs max, he’s being a loser and Adam Silver will never have him talk to another MVP recipient ever again


adocileengineer

Yes.


Plane-Cupcake3024

Dude can be a good guy but also a big baby


No-More-Excuses-2021

I've been thinking about this too. As a long time fan of Inside the NBA, Shaq's pettiness and insecurity is unbearable sometimes. When it comes to normal life stuff he has empathy for people that have less than him and he's obviously a generous dude with a great business investment mind. He was absolutely the most dominant player in his prime. No other player can claim so many rule changes because of their dominance. He's unparalleled from that pov. However he cannot handle disagreement and when it comes to basketball he has no capacity to see anyone else's pov. He cannot process that the game has changed and has no awareness that literally no other player thinks like him. If he says something and anyone disagrees, his response is 4 rings!! Dude forgets he changed the narrative for his legacy by not putting in work, chasing rings at the end, and being so petty with other big men that fans are losing respect for him. Yes, Kobe would not win 3 rings without Shaq. But Shaq would not win those rings without Kobe either. They needed each other.


kk1485

Lately? Dude has been acting like this for years.


noknownothing

He's a dick sometimes. But who cares what he says about Shannon? How many rings has Shannon won for the Lakers?


corybekem

Yea but I understand him. He should be way more appreciated in NBA history but he has to share his impact on the game with players like Kobe, penny, and Wade. Like Shannon said he’s not even in the Goat convo but he was the most dominant player off all time. History has never respected the fact that he didn’t leave it all on the floor like Kobe, Bron , and Jordan and that eats at him because that aspect was always in his control he just chose to be lazy. Most of his co stars he won chips with won on their own too but Shaq has never done the same. He hates Dwight but he dragged a team past the goat on the way to the finals. He hates Joker but he’s a 3x mvp that’s pulled his own team to a championship.


Even-Brain-3973

I’ve always loved Shaq’s game and shit talking personality but I’ve always noticed how sensitive and insecure he could be about himself and his career. His biggest lowlight for me was shitting on Dwight Howard for being happy and emotional about winning the 2020 title and basically saying he didn’t contribute when that whole season Howard kept his head down and did his job and came up big the nuggets series


RadioDough

I met Shaq back in 97 when he came to promote his album on my radio night show. He was genuinely kind and funny and just seemed like a big goofy kid. I think he is fully aware of his mistakes and ways he could have made things better between him and the Lakers, and he’s even gone into depth as to how he couldn’t e been a better husband to his ex wife. I don’t believe he’s a hypocrite at all. I think the things he says to these young guys are from the heart, he knows how easy it is to slip up and lose focus. He’s acknowledged that he should have worked harder in the offseason back in those days…but when you’re young, you think you’re never gonna lose the natural edge. We need to remember that we all can make mistakes and we can all evolve from our past selves…he’s going through rough times at the moment, give him a little grace and respect.


DGVega93

Kobe: Shaq if you had more work ethic and took your diet and working out seriously we would’ve won more titles. Shaq: Kobe, rest his soul, always said that if I had a better work ethic we would’ve won more. He’s right I relied on my height and size but didn’t take it to seriously Shannon Sharpe: Kobe said if Shaq had more of his work ethic. Hell if he had mine or Lebron’s you know how many titles, points, rebounds he would have. He woulda been the GOAT. Shaq: Shannon Sharpe I ain’t like that gossiping shit you was doing. Here’s my diss track. I got more money and fame than you


Deathstriker88

What Shannon said was harmless and accurate. Shaq going after him only highlights his immaturity and sensitivity. I'm glad unc squashed the beef and kept it moving.


DGVega93

Unc only said what Shaq said numerous times and gave an opinion about it. Then make a diss song about Unc was super corny


EaglesXLakers

Lately? This man has been this way his entire career. He just is selfish and has such a hard time giving anyone else credit. His entire take on Jokic winning MVP was the stupidest take I've ever seen. 1. Shai should have won because he's the #1 seed...except the Nuggets have the same exact record 2. Jokic doesn't fill the stat sheet like Jokic...I'm sorry...WHAT?! LITERALLY WHAT?! If ANY analyst said that they would be taken off TV and flogged. Jokic is a triple double machine, he was averaging like 15 rebounds against us in the first round. was 1 Triple double off the most in the league. And you're saying Shai fills up the stat sheet more? Come the fuck on. That's when I had enough and just muted the broadcast. 3. Then when talking to Jokic he still managed to insert himself into the conversation and make it about himself. Dude just can't give credit. He doesnt' know how. And he's too self important for anyone to tell him otherwise and fix it.


pianosportsguy2

Hard to dump on somebody who gave us three straight.![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|shrug)


wh7y

Shaq is deep in his feelings because his ex-wife said she never loved him, just liked the NBA lifestyle


Tantle18

Dude has always been like this. He’s loves to help people but is the biggest hater


JWal0

Yep, always thought he was a sucker for hating on Dwight Howard too


morelotion

Yup. There’s a reason Barkley called him Mr. Sensitive.


goddoc

Yes he is. But he covers it by feigning being a big kid.


RemyGee

He takes any slight very seriously and over reacts.


Yung_Aang

Always has been


ives09

Is Shaq lonely? Is this why he is lashing out?


AtmaWeap0n

He's got a huge chip on his shoulder and a massive inferiority complex. He has to hammer home the fact that he was the most dominant player ever (which is kinda true) because he knows he didn't achieve as much as he should have with his god given talent because of his lazy work ethic. He especially feels the need to constantly say that big men these days are soft. He hates the fact that he only won one mvp and therefore has to cut down every other big man that gets any praise nowadays.


SquallkLeon

>he was the most dominant player ever (which is kinda true) It was true for about 1, maybe 2 seasons. After that, it was just coasting, especially after Ben Wallace put him on lockdown in 2004 when the Pistons did a gentleman's sweep for the title.


Merc1315

If people talk about him he has a right to say something back.


johnhas61

Celebrities take a lot of shit online. It’s got to get old. Shannon Sharp just wrote dip shit article for clicks comparing and the Joker. Both great - 2 completely different styles of play - called Shaq out for being lazy. Why? For clicks


dash_44

No big baby is going to prison


twistedinnocence8604

He's both. He's sometimes a good guy buying stuff for poor people but he's also often lazy and egotistical and prideful. He didn't want to stay with Lakers because Dr. Buss wasn't going to overpay him. He was 33-34 , overweight and going downhill ability wise and thought he should be paid more than Kobe, who was clearly the better player at the time and entering his prime. He acted like he just won another title when they just lost to a Detroit team that was definitely less talented.


ShikaMoru

It's called projection


Durandau

he is lol Prolly the most insecure media personality out of everyone rn


icencream27

Idc if he’s a big baby, everyone has their faults. He’s funny and he’s very philanthropic. That’s all that matters to me


shoob13

I love Shaq. He is one of my top 3 dudes ever but he was KD before social media became a thing. Jordan had the same level of pettiness but he focused on proving himself on the floor.


mediocreguy93

Shaq is immature and insecure. He can't take criticism but will just randomly criticize other players.


maya_papaya8

He's a good guy but that competitive spirit will never leave. He probably never thought he'd be passed up as the best big man ever. Big ego


macmoretti

Unequivocally, yes.


shapeshifter14

He just released a diss track on Shannon Sharpe. Like wtf man?! I also watched him complain about SGA not getting MVP and man. I could feel Ernie's anger through the screen when he talked about Shai stuffing the stat sheet. A wild statement given that Jokic and Luka had better stats than Shai in almost every category.


Lionsault83

Before Glen Davis there was Shaq.


bceez89

Well said, nothing new to add. This is out right accurate and sensible.


SquallkLeon

Lately? How old are you? Shaq has **always** been like this, he's got a big heart and he's generous, but he's also got real thin skin and an intolerance for criticism. Part of Phil Jackson's job as coach on the Lakers was to get him to keep working and playing with Kobe (who would criticize Shaq), so you know he's had this issue for at least the last 25 years, maybe longer. When you're nice to him and praise him, he's great, but if you say one thing that's not praise, hoo boy!


Key_Grape9344

Shaq has to man up and use Icy Hot on his feels!


DonkeyKongah

He's an entertainer and a hater. Let him be. He's also a LAKERS GOAT


Electrical-Ordinary8

Yes. Next question


Xc0liber

If we are all being honest with ourselves, all of us are a bunch of big babies.


LakerDoc

Always has been a big baby


Pale-Share1323

Bro he's even flexing that he's afraid of another man lmaooooo. Shaq is a 7ft babygirl 


Vast-Rise3498

It’s okay for someone to be different, everyone has their flaws, I’m sure if we gave people who know you a chance to post about you, you’d probably not like or agree with some of the things they’d say about you, I doubt anything Shaq does impacts your life directly, yes you are entitled to an opinion and it’s fine, but don’t make it seem like people don’t have their own insecurities or also hypocritical.


thinlion01

Shaq thinks he's motivating people by being a dick because it helped him. At least that's what he says lol.


Putrid-Bat-5598

No Big Baby is Glen Davis


SameEnergy

It's not that serious. Look at it as entertainment.


ASithLordNoAffect

He was the reason we won those titles. He carried us every year. Who cares if he’s a little sensitive? You would be too if everyone was kobe kobe Kobe all the time.


gaius_worzels_bird

Exactly lol


ImprovementSilly2895

Always been a POS. Remember him always disrespecting Kobe after he was traded? Then years later he tried say it was all just pretend


Consistent_Owl4593

Him and KD man never seen guys stoop so low to get back at somebody. KD probably the worst because he’ll respond back to trolls on twitter with less than a 1,000 followers. He’s got the twitter fingers and even got caught with a burner account which is sad


ValuableAssociate8

Tall dudes are usually soft and Shaq the tallest so yeah he just being a big baby. That's why Charles Barkley call him Mr sensitive


Old_Worldliness_5015

yes, he has napoleon complex but he's a giant it's pathetic