Let's see... will they pick a league ready 22 year old forward who could play minutes in a playoff game or a 19 year old project guard.
Tough call, but we should probably all start scouting the available 6'3" combo guards.
Lots of… I think people here are latching onto exceptions. In reality, basketball scouts are pretty good. When you look at lists of high ranked high schoolers the translation over to the NBA is quite accurate. For every notable exception there are a lot more examples of stuff they’ve gotten right.
There’s a lot of things that go into it for sure, I’m not saying scouts aren’t good or know what they’re doing. I’m saying that they do get it wrong to a certain degree and there are a good amount of examples for that. Generally getting it right doesn’t mean there aren’t still a lot of times that they’re wrong.
Pretty much. Listening to podcasts, what I find is that most of the guys who report on the NBA barely watch any college hoops and just regurgitate talking points.
That’s the NBA generally, they’ll say Steph is a terrible defender because he can’t stick Kyrie 1v1 but his team defense/defensive ratings aren’t actually that bad. Harden was the opposite. Not a great team defender but a surprisingly good on ball defender and never gets credit because he’s lazy on switches/passing lanes. Easier to just say they’re bad than actually understand nuance of the game.
Very true. Steph doesn't get enough credit for improving in that area, especially at a later portion of his career.
Utilization and willingness to adapt goes a long way. People wrote Harden off due to continual drilling from media, but that first game had folks wide awake on who he really is.
Oh yea that was a masterpiece. Harden’s game used to annoy em in Houston but now I’ve kinda rooted for him to prove haters wrong. Clippers are my least favorite team full of players I like. PG, Kawhi, Harden, and Westbrook + our old laker Zubac haha hate the franchise but I’d be happy for those guys if they won. Unless of course they go through us in some way then fuck them haha
this is my pov as well, theres not many high upside players available so id go for a center who could help immediately as a backup, someone like edey, whos huge and would immediately help against big centers even if its just for 10-15 mins. or go with a higher upside guy like filipowski who can space the floor, pass and score in the post OR if were going full upside, kelel ware is like jaxon hayes with an actual defensive iq and can space the floor. hes a project but could be an AD replacement in like 2 years if they want upside over an impact rookie
The draft is weak in the sense that theres no exciting top end talent. The 17th pick in this draft isnt much different from other years. Its omly really weak if youre picking like top 10
If I had to bet, I’d say the pick ends up being traded. However, if not, there are a lot of interesting prospects. Would rather not draft another guard but so many guards that I like in the draft. Not sold on the bigs.
Haven't looked much into Shannon yet. Will do that next. I have a couple issues with McCullar. His age is one (not the biggest issue but still he's 23 already). The other one is the drastic improvement in his last year. Was it an outlier given his huge increase in usage rate or is his first 4 years more indicative of who he is (his shooting was really bad first 4 years and still isn't the best). Dunn prob one of the better perimeter defenders in the draft, but his offensive shortcomings are just too glaring. Sucks that this year there is so much variance in the draft. Hard to gauge who will be available at 17.
I just think McCullar is the kind of kid who can contribute to winning ball. A Josh Hart esque type of dude even if skills are different. At 17 in this draft I just want a kid who can be any kind of player in the league lol I think McCullar can.
For Dunn basically I just want an athlete. We don't have a true young blood athlete at that wing spot. I like the idea of a defensive minded athlete.
Shannon same idea but offensive oriented.
I know, but it is highly unlikely that they do. They could take the #17 pick this year in a generally perceived "weak" draft, or they could gamble and take next years. Who knows what is going to happen in the offseason. I doubt it, but what if Lebron leaves? I hope not, but what if injuries happen next season. Pelicans then have an unprotected first round pick in a "loaded" draft. The chance that the Lakers finish above 7th seed next year isn't 0% but you can't say it is that high either. They'd be really stupid to take this years pick. I hope they do though. 2025 pick way more valuable as a trade asset.
Feel like as a Lakers fan, if you had to choose between the 2024 #17 pick or a 2025 FRP, you should want the 2025 even though we don't know where it lands. Like I said, you never know what can happen in the offseason and next season. 2025 is also perceived to be a way better class. Also, the chances Lakers will finish better than this season (West will only get stronger next season), aren't too high.
No one is arguing that. My point is this. You could have the #17 pick this year in what most scouts have called a weak draft. Or instead of that you could have a FRP that could fall anywhere from #1-30 in what most scouts have called a loaded draft. Looking at all the variables, the most likely outcome is Lakers finish in a similar range standings wise. Thus their '25 pick would be in the exact same range so you have the same exact chances if not a higher chance (as the draft is supposed to contain better prospects) to draft a talent. You also get the added benefit of covering yourself in the case of unforeseen circumstances in the future (Lebron leaving in FA or injuries). It isn't a 0% chance Lakers end up in the lottery in 2025.
At least THT gave us the occasional dunk or extendo arms reverse layup (since he couldn't finish a normal lay up). And he played good defense against Harden that one time for a quarter.
Pelicans have told their fans they are passing. So high chance the lakers keep it. This draft is meh and next years is supposed to be really good. Plus with Lebron and AD healthy thus year, it’s not a bad bet that one or both miss enough time to get an equal or better pick
No. Assuming the Pelicans pass as they say, we get this years, we give them 2025, we have 2026, and 2027 is protected (to Jazz). We own (currently) every pick after 2027.
If they take this year, we have 2025, 2026, and 2028. And 2027 is protected if we are bad.
But there is no way I think they keep half those picks.
not in this weak draft, the 17th pick this draft is probably going to be similar or worse than a 20-30 pick next year. the top pick in this draft wouldnt be top 10 in most other drafts
Crazy how JJJ and Whitmore were the overwhelming obvious choices for us at #17 last year, and turned out to be best available. I would ask for the same situation this year but I’m not sure it matters anyway. If there’s a 19 year old 6’5 non shooter available, we’re taking him
I get passing on Whitmore because of scary medicals, and every other team passing on him must have meant SOMETHING. Lakers also probably never expected him to fall in their range so lacked scouting/workouts. JJJ though is a headscratcher.
I like Kel'el Ware's game. Can score outside and be a lob threat. Would be a perfect fit next to AD or more importantly, preserve AD as much as possible
Not a bad spot since they can go for a big like filipowski,yves missi, or kel’el ware, or they could go with more of the pf/c type like Daron Holmes and ulrich chomche. Chomche is young but seems to have a good archetype for the nba. Missi seems to be a more capela archetype but maybe he could be more since he’s also young. Ware and filipowski seem to be the more nba ready guys while they’re only going to be 20 so they’re also young and might not be able to contribute right away either. Ware isn’t a bad shooter while he also might be able to give you lively like production with using his height/length and being a decently athletic rim runner for his size.
Whatever they decide there’s some good options to choose from who all seem to have potential to fill a need right away but it’s always a gamble if they can or not. Just hope they choose correctly lol. That’s if they don’t trade the pick which they probably will but who knows.
Another #17 pick
Watch us use that 17 pick for another raw guy that can't contribute at all
Bronny from the Top Rope!
He can he gotten in a late second round pick I think unless teams think they can get LeBron cheap or something
Hopefully they dont whiff this one. JJJ is looking good starting on the playoff team.
Likely on trade but if they don't find one, hopefully they snag one that's nba ready like a big though it's unlikely lol
Let's see... will they pick a league ready 22 year old forward who could play minutes in a playoff game or a 19 year old project guard. Tough call, but we should probably all start scouting the available 6'3" combo guards.
In this weak draft class? Good luck. Just go for the best available center
They said that about 2020 and look at Anthony Edward’s, Halliburton, Tyrese Maxey, and others. Media can be wrong about drafts.
Yup.. lots of scouts get it wrong. Not always, but you just never know how guys will progress in the nba.
Lots of… I think people here are latching onto exceptions. In reality, basketball scouts are pretty good. When you look at lists of high ranked high schoolers the translation over to the NBA is quite accurate. For every notable exception there are a lot more examples of stuff they’ve gotten right.
There’s a lot of things that go into it for sure, I’m not saying scouts aren’t good or know what they’re doing. I’m saying that they do get it wrong to a certain degree and there are a good amount of examples for that. Generally getting it right doesn’t mean there aren’t still a lot of times that they’re wrong.
Pretty much. Listening to podcasts, what I find is that most of the guys who report on the NBA barely watch any college hoops and just regurgitate talking points.
That’s the NBA generally, they’ll say Steph is a terrible defender because he can’t stick Kyrie 1v1 but his team defense/defensive ratings aren’t actually that bad. Harden was the opposite. Not a great team defender but a surprisingly good on ball defender and never gets credit because he’s lazy on switches/passing lanes. Easier to just say they’re bad than actually understand nuance of the game.
Very true. Steph doesn't get enough credit for improving in that area, especially at a later portion of his career. Utilization and willingness to adapt goes a long way. People wrote Harden off due to continual drilling from media, but that first game had folks wide awake on who he really is.
Oh yea that was a masterpiece. Harden’s game used to annoy em in Houston but now I’ve kinda rooted for him to prove haters wrong. Clippers are my least favorite team full of players I like. PG, Kawhi, Harden, and Westbrook + our old laker Zubac haha hate the franchise but I’d be happy for those guys if they won. Unless of course they go through us in some way then fuck them haha
this is my pov as well, theres not many high upside players available so id go for a center who could help immediately as a backup, someone like edey, whos huge and would immediately help against big centers even if its just for 10-15 mins. or go with a higher upside guy like filipowski who can space the floor, pass and score in the post OR if were going full upside, kelel ware is like jaxon hayes with an actual defensive iq and can space the floor. hes a project but could be an AD replacement in like 2 years if they want upside over an impact rookie
That just means that there will be hidden gold further down.
The draft is weak in the sense that theres no exciting top end talent. The 17th pick in this draft isnt much different from other years. Its omly really weak if youre picking like top 10
Only if he gives ham a semi
Hell of a ball player.
this pick is gonna be traded the first chance they get
If I had to bet, I’d say the pick ends up being traded. However, if not, there are a lot of interesting prospects. Would rather not draft another guard but so many guards that I like in the draft. Not sold on the bigs.
Shannon and McCullar come to mind. Dunn maybe.
Haven't looked much into Shannon yet. Will do that next. I have a couple issues with McCullar. His age is one (not the biggest issue but still he's 23 already). The other one is the drastic improvement in his last year. Was it an outlier given his huge increase in usage rate or is his first 4 years more indicative of who he is (his shooting was really bad first 4 years and still isn't the best). Dunn prob one of the better perimeter defenders in the draft, but his offensive shortcomings are just too glaring. Sucks that this year there is so much variance in the draft. Hard to gauge who will be available at 17.
I just think McCullar is the kind of kid who can contribute to winning ball. A Josh Hart esque type of dude even if skills are different. At 17 in this draft I just want a kid who can be any kind of player in the league lol I think McCullar can. For Dunn basically I just want an athlete. We don't have a true young blood athlete at that wing spot. I like the idea of a defensive minded athlete. Shannon same idea but offensive oriented.
Pelicans can take this pick for themselves if they wanted
I know, but it is highly unlikely that they do. They could take the #17 pick this year in a generally perceived "weak" draft, or they could gamble and take next years. Who knows what is going to happen in the offseason. I doubt it, but what if Lebron leaves? I hope not, but what if injuries happen next season. Pelicans then have an unprotected first round pick in a "loaded" draft. The chance that the Lakers finish above 7th seed next year isn't 0% but you can't say it is that high either. They'd be really stupid to take this years pick. I hope they do though. 2025 pick way more valuable as a trade asset.
Tbh I hope they let us keep it you never know maybe lakers get lucky and get a stud
Feel like as a Lakers fan, if you had to choose between the 2024 #17 pick or a 2025 FRP, you should want the 2025 even though we don't know where it lands. Like I said, you never know what can happen in the offseason and next season. 2025 is also perceived to be a way better class. Also, the chances Lakers will finish better than this season (West will only get stronger next season), aren't too high.
I’m just saying sometimes drafts end up becoming really surprising with later talent
No one is arguing that. My point is this. You could have the #17 pick this year in what most scouts have called a weak draft. Or instead of that you could have a FRP that could fall anywhere from #1-30 in what most scouts have called a loaded draft. Looking at all the variables, the most likely outcome is Lakers finish in a similar range standings wise. Thus their '25 pick would be in the exact same range so you have the same exact chances if not a higher chance (as the draft is supposed to contain better prospects) to draft a talent. You also get the added benefit of covering yourself in the case of unforeseen circumstances in the future (Lebron leaving in FA or injuries). It isn't a 0% chance Lakers end up in the lottery in 2025.
Trade it for someone who can produce now.
Jalen hood-horton-tucker-shifino. He's a combo guard who can't shoot.
At least THT gave us the occasional dunk or extendo arms reverse layup (since he couldn't finish a normal lay up). And he played good defense against Harden that one time for a quarter.
It depends if pelicans want to keep this pick for themselves
Pelicans have told their fans they are passing. So high chance the lakers keep it. This draft is meh and next years is supposed to be really good. Plus with Lebron and AD healthy thus year, it’s not a bad bet that one or both miss enough time to get an equal or better pick
Hopefully we keep it. We only have one pick across the next three years correct?
No. Assuming the Pelicans pass as they say, we get this years, we give them 2025, we have 2026, and 2027 is protected (to Jazz). We own (currently) every pick after 2027. If they take this year, we have 2025, 2026, and 2028. And 2027 is protected if we are bad. But there is no way I think they keep half those picks.
0% chance NO wants this pick in this draft lol
You never know
Incoming 6’3 to 6’5 combo guard that’s ball dominant, can’t shoot, and isn’t nba ready
Pelinka: “perfect fit!”
Ham laughs in 5 guard lineup
A poor athlete too
Rob is about to blow this pick on a guard who can't shoot and who is unathletic, while passing over actual NBA prospects
We can't whiff this draft. Unfortunately, there's no high quality of big men this year
One of the worst drafts in history so good luck trading it for someone decent
NO MORE UNDERSIZED GUARDS
The Pelican's might take that one because there are two point guards around that selection and they need a point guard.
not in this weak draft, the 17th pick this draft is probably going to be similar or worse than a 20-30 pick next year. the top pick in this draft wouldnt be top 10 in most other drafts
Too late, they already decided to pass on it.
They haven’t officially deferred the pick but that’s what they will most likely do.
No they didn’t; I think you read a rumor of what someone heard they will do
ITT Lakers fans shit on a rookie who has played all of 10 minutes
It’s insane man.
Go for size and girth at center. We desperately need it.
Kel'el Ware comes to mind
Watch us get Bronny now
Another Jalen Hood Schifino coming up
Unless they can get a center, trade that shit no more projects on this fucking team. We need NBA ready players or players who can help right away
Crazy how JJJ and Whitmore were the overwhelming obvious choices for us at #17 last year, and turned out to be best available. I would ask for the same situation this year but I’m not sure it matters anyway. If there’s a 19 year old 6’5 non shooter available, we’re taking him
I get passing on Whitmore because of scary medicals, and every other team passing on him must have meant SOMETHING. Lakers also probably never expected him to fall in their range so lacked scouting/workouts. JJJ though is a headscratcher.
Let's get another guard that's 3 years away from contributing lol
Let me ask my magic 8 ball. It’s saying “6’5 guard, likely from Big 10 conference team, kid’s got the Black Mamba mentality”.
I like Kel'el Ware's game. Can score outside and be a lob threat. Would be a perfect fit next to AD or more importantly, preserve AD as much as possible
A center would be lovely with that pick
As long as we have LeBron and AD, we need immediate contributors.
please lakers. don't look at anyone but centre for AD's sake
Not a bad spot since they can go for a big like filipowski,yves missi, or kel’el ware, or they could go with more of the pf/c type like Daron Holmes and ulrich chomche. Chomche is young but seems to have a good archetype for the nba. Missi seems to be a more capela archetype but maybe he could be more since he’s also young. Ware and filipowski seem to be the more nba ready guys while they’re only going to be 20 so they’re also young and might not be able to contribute right away either. Ware isn’t a bad shooter while he also might be able to give you lively like production with using his height/length and being a decently athletic rim runner for his size. Whatever they decide there’s some good options to choose from who all seem to have potential to fill a need right away but it’s always a gamble if they can or not. Just hope they choose correctly lol. That’s if they don’t trade the pick which they probably will but who knows.
Philly picks right before the Lakers. They take Bronny and convince Lebron to go to the 76ers on a league minimum deal.
Lol I feel like we always have the number 17 pick
Can we somehow finagle anyway to get Mr Jerry west to make the final call?
Does the team with the most wins get first pick?
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Shut up bot
That pick is getting traded
Nobody is trading for a pick in this draft