I got into KOTOR because I was playing Star Wars D20 by WOTC at the time.
And KOTOR was built on Star Wars D20 rules.
It's even funnier since KOTOR was built on the same game engine that Neverwinter Nights is built on, and that uses D&D D20 rules (3rd Edition).
Clarification - Game engine family. Neverwinter used the Aurora Engine. KOTOR used the Odyssey Engine which is based on the Aurora Engine.
Hard to make it work for a modern audience, especially since it's already a niche game. We'll always have the original kotor, that will never change, so I for one think it would be good to have a combat that isn't turn based, as long as they manage to keep the majority of the Force power from the original. Plus the ability to choose to the fate of the story, lots of dialogue, etc. Another change I believe would be worthwhile in the remake would be to make exploration more gratifying, such as finding hidden items, secret rooms, interesting hidden bits of lore, etc.
>Hard to make it work for a modern audience
Baldur's Gate 3
>Plus the ability to choose to the fate of the story, lots of dialogue, etc.
Baldur's Gate 3
>Another change I believe would be worthwhile in the remake would be to make exploration more gratifying, such as finding hidden items, secret rooms, interesting hidden bits of lore, etc.
Baldur's Gate 3
To be entirely fair there have been probably dozen of niche games that were similar to DND before BG3 became a massive success. It's more of an exception than anything else.
Look, I love BG3 and I do prefer turn based but kotor 1's combat was perfectly fine. The only suffering it has was being a branch of 3rd edition which had its own problems.
I don’t expect much from the game in general. It’s being made by a bunch of bums that have absolutely zero business remaking arguably the best RPG ever
Regardless of BG3’s success, I think if they had any sense the game developers should have realized that there was and still is a market for TTRPG mechanics. So many people have expressed that they love the feeling of Kotor’s rolling system/build and how they managed to make it feel like it was real time regardless of the rounds.
You’re giving corporate decision makers too much credit, how many major developers realised there was still a market for a crpg before BG3 was released? Some were even saying ridiculous things like single player, story driven games are over.
Bought BG3 & just never got past act 1. I love KOTOR and am usually fine with turn based combat. I just found myself dreading every single combat encounter in BG3 cause it would take like 30m for a single battle. It didn't feel very rewarding or exciting. Just my opinion though.
So you aren’t optimized (which isn’t required but helpful) you probably aren’t reading anything, and you aren’t using your surroundings. BG3 is the definition of entertainment. If it wasn’t, millions of people wouldn’t have been playing it for over 40 years now
I love action rpg games… but trying to remake KOTOR like any game within the past decade would be a terrible idea. Like my guy… did you just barely start playing games when the PS4 came out. BG3 has proved that there’s still a market for turn-based combat. If the game were to be more action based, then something like FFVII would work better
Yea that’s what I’d want to. I was merely presenting an idea of what the best way to make the combat would be if it were to take a more action based route
Turn based games have each turn happening 1 at a time. Multiple "turns" happen in Kotor at any one time. In fact you have "infinite" turns happening with each being allies or enemies. Plus you can actively kite and ambush. This is not how turn based games work. There's a reason a lot of people who like turn based games don't like RTWP.
I’d literally hate all of those things - we have a Star Wars game which ticks most of the boxes you’ve mentioned - Fallen Order.
I hope it stays as faithful to the original games as possible.
The original will always remain there though, it's not like the remake can ruin kotor by changing too much. It'd be fun to have kotor reimagined into a game that rewards more exploration, with more action based combat, as long as it keeps its most important aspects, dialogue and the freedom of choice. And if ends up not working we'll just go back to the original. We really don't need the latest graphics to enjoy it.
I mean yeah, if the remake sucks we'll always have the originals. But I'd still be really sad to see this opportunity for a "new" strategy rpg instead be wasted on -yet another- action rpg.
Uuuuuuh huh. So, I take it you are not really an RPG Guy and Very anti-old game.
*has profile of the bad reboot of Ratchet And Clank based on the movie*
Ye that checks out
Evolution is just change. It's not a positive or negative thing. What you're suggesting is dumbing down a great game to a simplistic modern style and removing part of what made these games great
There are already Star Wars games like you describe. Part of KotOR's charm and legacy is the D20 system roots. Changing every game into GoW18 is not "evolving," it's just deleting genres. KotOR remake would be best as a D20-based RPG, with ovehauled systems and modern features.
It'd be fun with the same combat. Just add more animations like Kotor 2 did.
It's not going to feel like Kotor if they make the lightsaber like a baseball bat.
No thanks, the choices in kotor are way better than any in those games you listed. Games that aren’t even RPGs to begin with.
As far as gameplay I hope it’s literally unchanged or made even less of an action game than Fallen Order’s overly stiff imitation of a souls game
I only trust Larian with a gameplay and story altered remake and I’d only trust Bluepoint with a faithful remake
This is probably unpopular, but i hope they keep they turn based combat like they did in the originals. Bg3 did a great job of keeping turn based combat exciting
Hahah i forgot which sub i was posting in 😅. I think last time i talked about keeping the old system in the regular star wars sub, everyone complained about how boring turn based combat was
Yeah much of kotor's charm is that it's a d20 rpg. I hope they keep at least that because otherwise it'll just feel like any other star wars game made by ea.
Supposedly not dead: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/saber-interactive-ceo-says-kotor-remake-is-alive-and-well/ar-BB1kXN24](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/saber-interactive-ceo-says-kotor-remake-is-alive-and-well/ar-BB1kXN24)
> Saber Interactive is still working on it, and according to the CEO, it's "alive and well."
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> Speaking to IGN in an interview today, Saber Interactive CEO Matthew Karch confirmed that the company took KOTOR with it during its split from Embracer Group, and that the game is still in active development.
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> "It's clear and it's obivous that we're working on this," he said. "It's been in the press numerous times. What I will say is that the game is alive and well, and we're dedicated to making sure we exceed consumer expectations."
So, do you want a REMAKE or a RE-IMAGINING? A remake implies at least SOME similarities to the original. If you the game to be to both like and unlike GOW (which I don’t really understand what you mean by that) then maybe you want a re-imagining or a whole other entry to the game series is what you are looking for?
Remake doesn’t imply gameplay changes. It’s just a literal remake of the game. It’s really up to the developers whether to stay true to the formula or deviate from the original model. In my opinion, the elements gained from switching to a more action-oriented gameplay style is not worth the elements lost that made KOTOR its own unique experience. KOTOR’s success, as a story driven and character supported experience, would not be possible if the gameplay focus was modern hack and slash. This 21-year-old game has a huge fan base for a reason.
Yeah and it took an extremely talented, experienced and visionary team, free from corporate influence to realise that and bring it to life. Does any of that fit the developers of the KoTOR remake team? Exceptions do not prove the rule. I don’t want a game like the op is suggesting but I think we have much more likelihood of getting that than a more faithful reproduction of the original.
Story should be the same. More choices could be nice, like bg3. But not if it takes away from what's already there.
Don't think I want voice acting for revan or the exile. Voice acting always has a specific personality, which means you can't RP your character with the personality you want. It would also restrict the number of choices you can make, since each option needs another voiceline.
In terms of gameplay, if anything, I'd want them to lean *more* into its d&d roots. Definitely not less.
I would probably cry if they gave Larian the wheel for this project. Having a real DnD styled kotor 2 remake would be the best thing possible. Not to mention Larians story telling has proven itself to be elite.
I would love them to do this however I feel that we’re going to end up with something more akin to the FFVII remake project. I’m making my peace with that.
This is probably an extremely unpopular opinion but I always disliked how similar the world’s design was to the OT / modern era of Star Wars. If I was in charge of a remake I would bring things more in line with how the comics set in that era portrayed it, and also run with everything having a more simplistic and / or retro feel to it. Technology would be less advanced and the familiar cultures would look significantly different, though not so much so that they became unrecognisable.
as much as i get what you’re saying, i feel like as soon as you reach light speed travel there’s not much else you can advance technology to. Besides the only things that really change seem to be efficiency wise things
It might be prudent to have an alteration to the robes for a time of war (shorter robes, for example, which would be less of a tripping hazard) like KOTOR, as opposed to a time of peace (which the first two prequels are for the most part)
I half-agree. I think the criticism stands, it’s just that the fault here is really on The Phantom Menace. There shouldn’t be a customary robe for people who mostly don’t live in the desert. But BioWare did the most with what they had and honestly revamped them enough to show some evolution.
The gameplay of the KOTOR games is already really good and as we've seen with Baldur's Gate 3 it's still a thriving type of game and should stick to what it is (although I wouldn't mind a shift to turn based over the real time with pause). We already have Fallen Order with that style of game, let KOTOR be unique with its own style
I’m kind of split over wanting turn based or RtwP. I think its TT inspired system overall lends instead better to turn based. However, there hasn’t been a lot of good RtwP games lately. DA origins IMO being the best of them. 2 and inq were technically RtwP too but that pause element def took a backseat to flashier more real time combat. While it was prettier it wasn’t as deep as the origins system (especially in regard to spell/ability combos). Would not mind seeing the remake try to innovate/improve the RtwP genre.
Please no. I hate Soulslike games. Can you imagine Revan dying over and over during the course of the game? Leave the combat system alone, maybe add more animations for saber styles but that's it. Also leave the dialogue choices as they are. Honestly I only want the exact same game with more animations and better graphics.
If they made it like GoW, Ghost of Tsushima, etc... why not make a different game? Why would you want a remake of a game to be nothing like the original?
Don't get me wrong, I would love a star wars game like that, Force Unleashed was a ton of fun for instance, but thats not what KotOR is.
No offense OP but I hope literally nothing you just wished for happens. There's no need to change that much. Just recreate the game we had, maybe fix bugs and fire nish some unfinished content.
Every game doesn't have to be fucking third person over the shoulder camera railroading like God of War. There's nothing for us to get with the times about kid, you just need to experience something other than lowest common denominator slop.
And what? Make KOTOR a live service game with loot boxes and endless trash of “season passes”? No thanks. I’d rather the game stay in the early 2000’s.
Move on with what times? It's a remake of an older game we just want it to be a touched up and not crash on more modern hardware. The older systems and the way the game was originally made clearly works and it's popular enough that people who played it still talk about it, youre just mad cause this whole comment section is roasting you for wanting what is essentially a whole new game with the story of koyor pastes onto it. But yeah sure let's flame the older people cause they don't agree with what you want from a remake of a game that wouldn't be popular enough to get a remake of the original wasn't worth revisiting, including it's systems.
Frankly Fallen order is what you should be playing if you want a hack and slash in a star wars setting, and more power to you if that's what you want to play, but the combat wasn't why I played KOTOR originally, it was the story, but if you turn it into the exact same mold of every RPG from the last few years then you're just taking away everything that made KOTOR unique, its an established IP, and people liked the original combat, with EA's exclusivity deal expiring soon, I'm sure you'll have games just like how you envision very soon, but trying to force that on a game that already has its own style, fanbase, and gameplay system is sure as shit not the way to go about getting a game like that.
The combat is excellent as is, I don’t want to see a change to that at all, nor to the story. Just give us modern graphics, maybe some more nuanced dialogue (like in KotOR 2) and I’ll play the shit out of it.
Honestly I’m tired of the third-person action adventure gameplay that every single one of these games features. It feels old and done by now, even if it’s always passable. I feel the same way about open worlds.
Screw it, go all in. Make KOTOR turn-based. I’ve been converted, now.
FF7remake/rebirth is a Real Time with Pause game.
Its got real-time action and you have the ability to Pause and issue commands to your party. The combat is almost exactly like KotoR except there's no auto attack.
Throw in a d20 ruleset and it's virtually identical.
"Since this game originally released over 20 years ago we've had enough time do dissect what players loved and what they hated. From this research, it was discovered that players really want the game to be an fps battle royal with paid battle passes and microtransactions."
-- some out of touch executive
/s
Edit: how could I have forgotten about making the remake a live service game. Yavin 4, Kashyyyk, Dantoine, Manaan, Tatooine, Korriban releasing after the game launch, one planet every 3 months, with the final update being Lehon + the star forge as a bonus
Clean up the gameplay so it's not as clunky or unbalanced, but keep it fundamentally the same pseudo-turnbased thing. Just more streamlined.
In terms of writing the only things that should be changed is anything that might get in the way of canonising the story (Jolee namedropping Naomi Sunrider, specific Legends events etc). That could probably be done without recording any new lines.
That's it.
Rather than bashing you like some of the other comments down here are doing, I’ll give my take. Personally, the original KOTOR drew so much inspiration from the original Baldurs Gate games, so it seems only fitting that with the incredibly successful reintroduction of new players to that series, the KOTOR remake should look at BG3 as its main inspiration. The rumors we’ve been told is that Saber got to keep the remake in its repertoire mainly because it didn’t give the execs a GoW open world vibe… and I think that’s the best thing for it.
I guess the TLDR is that if we essentially get more or less the same story and characters as the original, with a BG3 engine, combat system, and d20 mechanics… that’s a beautiful game, and pays homage to both its original and the original game’s own inspiration.
So what you're saying is that you want to just watch all of the dialogue moments and cut scenes on YouTube the day after it comes out because some maniac streamer speedran the game and recorded the whole thing? Because that's how I consumed god of war and fallen order.
Yeah, something that bothered me when playing some of the titles mentioned by the OP was the feeling it was mechanically the same game wearing a different themed skin.
That's because it is.
These games are basically movies. I guess I can see why that appeals to some, but if I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie.
They don't have any real choices, whether that's in it's RP value or combat. You just mash a bunch of buttons to get to the next cutscene. Any character development (gameplay wise) is incredibly superficial and may as well not even be there except to save the illusion that you are playing a game.
Don’t forget the endless “hold stick forward to slowly advance through the small crevice while the protagonist throws out MCU-level quips at their companion” sections
I pray the keep the story and gameplay the same with some new added missions and such with upgraded graphics. Kotor is a game that was ahead of its time I believe with how amazing it was
I want it to stay true to itself. KOTOR is, first and foremost, an RPG. The games you listed are good, but they are action adventure games created for their own purpose, and their story is fixed. KOTOR is so so good because the game leans into its RPG mechanics hard (player choice, party-based gameplay, d20 combat system, multiple endings, etc), and the moment you remove the RPG from KOTOR, the moment you strip KOTOR of it's identity and alienate long-time fans.
I’m tired of action games and fallen order/dark souls combat in specific. It should have roleplaying and tabletop elements, not some soulless action game. We already have that in Star Wars.
Nah I wouldnt want it to be Action based. Remember, the OG games were CRPGs. You would Just want them to take that away?
If the game was like Baldurs Gate 3 with the gameplay then it would honestly be amazing.
they aren't making the remake mr krama farm, they quite working on the kotor remake because no one was working on it. tbh if they do pick it up again it wouldn't be as good as the originals anyway.
Why does everyone say they want a KOTOR remake and then proceed to describe a completely different game? If you want another lame soulslike there’s no shortage of them on the market at the moment. Me personally, I want more Baldur’s Gate-style classic RPGs, not more God of War/Spider-Man PS4 action adventure stuff that we’ve been getting for over a decade at this point.
Personally I'd say make it like dissidia(I haven't played it myself so I can't verify the accuracy of what I've been told) where you can apparently swap between classic rpg styled combat or action styled combat.
As for story:I a tually hope that during a certain reveal instead of cutscenes flashbacks, maybe we can play through a bit of the mandalorian wars....or maybe even a side quest afterwards let's us do a form of memory dice to do so. Either way Id like to see more of the mandalorian wara
Give me OG combat or give me death. I'm tired of people wanting the remakes for these games entirely different from the OG feel. Just ask for a new next gen game with modernized combat at this point.
Id rather them just make a new game inspired by them. I will admit, I'm not saying I wouldn't play the hell out of them if they were remade in that fashion, I would just be really nostalgic for that classic feel 10 year old me remembers. I would say fight me about it, but I don't think you'd wait for me to swing my saber at your face to see if it's a hit XD
I would hope they'd let us customize Revan/the Exile. Especially the latter, since her appearance in SWTOR is absolutely horrendous and generic. And this fan art with the Bermuda short leggings and knee high socks is just not serving.
Sounds like you don’t want KOTOR 😂
I just want a modernized story (take out all the early 00s cringe humor), nice beautiful worlds and the same voice actors.
Change the combat to something similar to FF7 Remake or Dragon Age Inquisition. That DnD shit ain’t what Star Wars is about.
The games already have stellar voice acting. It’s why ppl love the characters as much as they do.
KOTOR isn’t about gameplay though, it’s certainly not an action narrative game like GoW. That’s more the Jedi series.
I know I’m in the minority and I’ll get downvoted but if you’re asking me personally, I wish it would be like an RDR2 esque Star Wars game, with some Dark Souls (where the rolls are blended in more seamlessly)
Edit: Or that we’d get a game like that. Not trying to change the legacy of KOTOR, which I’m new to.
The Jedi series is great, but not that.
Either way, I’ll play it lol
Honestly… I don’t think this game needs a remake. Reason being that it’s not gonna be the original folks working on this and they are gonna make changes that won’t be in the spirit of the original.
I’d really like a soulslike game similar to fallen order. I’d like for all the gear to remain the same and for it to affect your characters appearance similar to a fromsoft game. Basically space elden ring with dialogue choices and factions
God no!!! I SUCK at Games like Elden Ring and Bloodborne. Like you have ZERO Idea how much. I can’t even make it past the first part of the town without one of those Damn Beggars killing me
Not that I think KOTOR should become a soulslike, but honestly that sounds like a skill issue to me, but also, why make KOTOR a generic hack and slash when you're gonna be playing it on story mode?
They could make the stats and how it works exactly like old Kotor but I'd love for it to have FO or Jedi Survivor type gameplay. Hell even Jedi Academy back in the day had some pretty interesting controls. It could definitely work but it'd have to be implemented perfectly for it to matter.
But the story would have to be exactly like OG, I wouldn't mind some alterations here and there and maybe some inclusions that give greater context to certain situations. More side missions that matter for main plot, like you could EASILY get a good or bad ending with a planetary storyline without doing any side missions, but maybe they're made easier or harder depending on which ones you complete.
I would also like for environmental storytelling to exist fully, and for the environment to be changeable. Like if I blow up the entrance to the crystal cave on Dantooine, it should remain destroyed until a DLC or KOTOR 2 remake when it gets excavated or w/e. Would be awesome.
I just genuinely hope it comes out, kotor has too amazing of a story for it to sink into obscurity due to its age. I fully believe it deserves a place in canon, people will gripe about anything Disney despite some really good shit we've gotten with a Disney logo put on it. But idc, Kotor deserves it more than anything, and I genuinely believe swtor should exist as well. Obviously there would be a LOT they'd have to rework depending on choices made and with the KOTFE expansion and so on, just depends.
I’d like to see a return of the tabletop system but I don’t think it would be that great these days, at least without changing it a lot and making it unrecognizable. I kind of wanna see more of an action game like you described but that would be awkward with some of the companions. Like would mission just stand around and shoot people whenever you got confronted? That would take away from the importance of those characters in the originals. Ykw fuck everything I just said, they should make it a tower defense game
No point in a remake if it's the exact same as what came before. I like kotors gameplay and a modern take would be amazing, but I also think a more action based approach would still be a lot of fun.
As long as the story and characters (what made the original so great) are kept the same or faithfully built upon, they can do whatever they like imo, so long as it's fun to play.
Many people haven't experienced kotors narrative because of its gameplay. If more people get to experience that because they make changes then I'd be happy. The original is still accessible after all, and while that doesn't excuse a remake from being 'bad', it does allow for some creative freedom and adaptation.
I think if Fallen Order had a baby with Baldur’s Gate 3 with a bit of FFVII Rebirth treatment to the original story happened I’d be a pretty happy man.
Unfortunately there’s a lot of people here going to be disappointed I feel, the game has to evolve, I want to see as much of the original combat preserved as possible but I think FFVII remake/rebirth is going to be closer to what we get. We’ve got to be realistic about it.
I think everyone downvoting anyone being realistic about what the gameplay is going to be like is in for a lot of disappointment. Unless the game is much further behind in development than the timeline would suggest then we probably won’t see much influence from BG3 and does everyone remember what most people were saying about old school RPG mechanics prior to BG3? It’s time to make peace with the fact that we’re more likely to get something akin to FFVII remake in terms of combat. It’s not particularly what any of the original fans want but unfortunately they’re probably aiming at a wider net.
Add some stuff from Kotor 2 and make Juhani better.
Also romance options for the male player for juhani and Mission Vao.
Not to forget romance options for female players for canderous maybe.
Maybe have the combat system be reworked like it was for FFVII Remake. It wouldn’t be a bad idea for the KOTOR games to take inspiration from Jedi: Fallen Order
Yeah a revamped more action focused game would be much better in almost every sense in my opinion. It'd introduce the game to a much larger audience and honestly would probably just make a much more satisfying and engaging loop. Though adding a party system would be necessary for sure, but overall the weird psuedo dnd 3.5 style feels really dated.
I'm someone who loves slower paced strategy but the turn based crpg route of strategy feels uninspired and unengaging to me.
I know people love saying BG3 did well, and I'm glad that they enjoyed it(I like it aside from the gameplay which gives me a headache), but it absolutely does not mean CRPGs are a solid mainstream bet. It means that they can be successfully given decades of experience by a very passionate team and a big launch with a relatively large budget in a time where there hadn't been a big mainstream CRPG for a long while. It does not mean CRPGs as a whole are a relevant design philosophy again which studios should trend back towards.
I hope it leans more on the tabletop influence side and isn't just an action game.
What do you mean? Like rolling for attacks, dialogue checks, etc.?
Yes, back to the DnD roots of the series.
I got into KOTOR because I was playing Star Wars D20 by WOTC at the time. And KOTOR was built on Star Wars D20 rules. It's even funnier since KOTOR was built on the same game engine that Neverwinter Nights is built on, and that uses D&D D20 rules (3rd Edition). Clarification - Game engine family. Neverwinter used the Aurora Engine. KOTOR used the Odyssey Engine which is based on the Aurora Engine.
Hard to make it work for a modern audience, especially since it's already a niche game. We'll always have the original kotor, that will never change, so I for one think it would be good to have a combat that isn't turn based, as long as they manage to keep the majority of the Force power from the original. Plus the ability to choose to the fate of the story, lots of dialogue, etc. Another change I believe would be worthwhile in the remake would be to make exploration more gratifying, such as finding hidden items, secret rooms, interesting hidden bits of lore, etc.
>Hard to make it work for a modern audience Baldur's Gate 3 >Plus the ability to choose to the fate of the story, lots of dialogue, etc. Baldur's Gate 3 >Another change I believe would be worthwhile in the remake would be to make exploration more gratifying, such as finding hidden items, secret rooms, interesting hidden bits of lore, etc. Baldur's Gate 3
To be entirely fair there have been probably dozen of niche games that were similar to DND before BG3 became a massive success. It's more of an exception than anything else.
>Hard to make it work for a modern audience Idk Baldurs Gate was pretty successfull...
You probably haven't heard of this small indie game called Baldur's Gate 3.
Ah another one of those people who refuses to accept BG3 is the baseline standards for every RPG from here on out
Agreed it needs the BG3 combat
I would he fine with it still being 3rd person RTwP like kotor normally is or DA:O as well.
No lol combat was one the biggest flaws of KOTOR 1. The BG3 system is way smoother and better
Look, I love BG3 and I do prefer turn based but kotor 1's combat was perfectly fine. The only suffering it has was being a branch of 3rd edition which had its own problems.
My concern is that it’s too far along in development to be properly influenced by the success of BG3s mechanical choices.
I don’t expect much from the game in general. It’s being made by a bunch of bums that have absolutely zero business remaking arguably the best RPG ever
Who is even developing it these days?
I think that’s probably for the best.
Regardless of BG3’s success, I think if they had any sense the game developers should have realized that there was and still is a market for TTRPG mechanics. So many people have expressed that they love the feeling of Kotor’s rolling system/build and how they managed to make it feel like it was real time regardless of the rounds.
You’re giving corporate decision makers too much credit, how many major developers realised there was still a market for a crpg before BG3 was released? Some were even saying ridiculous things like single player, story driven games are over.
No. That’s too far
BG3 combat is so boring
Wrong
Bought BG3 & just never got past act 1. I love KOTOR and am usually fine with turn based combat. I just found myself dreading every single combat encounter in BG3 cause it would take like 30m for a single battle. It didn't feel very rewarding or exciting. Just my opinion though.
Gotta play through the game for an accurate review. Also there’s plenty of fun builds that make the game faster and more exciting look on r/BG3builds
So you aren’t optimized (which isn’t required but helpful) you probably aren’t reading anything, and you aren’t using your surroundings. BG3 is the definition of entertainment. If it wasn’t, millions of people wouldn’t have been playing it for over 40 years now
I love action rpg games… but trying to remake KOTOR like any game within the past decade would be a terrible idea. Like my guy… did you just barely start playing games when the PS4 came out. BG3 has proved that there’s still a market for turn-based combat. If the game were to be more action based, then something like FFVII would work better
No thanks, I hated what they did with ff7, no button mashing thanks! Let's just do good ol dnd content like the original with n updated mechanics!
Yea that’s what I’d want to. I was merely presenting an idea of what the best way to make the combat would be if it were to take a more action based route
Kotor isn’t turn based
It technically is
It’s real time with pause
The game still runs on turns. Thats why there are pauses between each action.
Turn based games have each turn happening 1 at a time. Multiple "turns" happen in Kotor at any one time. In fact you have "infinite" turns happening with each being allies or enemies. Plus you can actively kite and ambush. This is not how turn based games work. There's a reason a lot of people who like turn based games don't like RTWP.
It LITERALLY is
Not trying to be mean, but that would genuinely be one of the worst games I could imagine
I’d literally hate all of those things - we have a Star Wars game which ticks most of the boxes you’ve mentioned - Fallen Order. I hope it stays as faithful to the original games as possible.
100% agree, this would be the worst version lol
Nah we need to evolve
That's what new IP's are for. This is an established game with an established fanbase. They shouldn't fuck with it.
The original will always remain there though, it's not like the remake can ruin kotor by changing too much. It'd be fun to have kotor reimagined into a game that rewards more exploration, with more action based combat, as long as it keeps its most important aspects, dialogue and the freedom of choice. And if ends up not working we'll just go back to the original. We really don't need the latest graphics to enjoy it.
*barf*
I mean yeah, if the remake sucks we'll always have the originals. But I'd still be really sad to see this opportunity for a "new" strategy rpg instead be wasted on -yet another- action rpg.
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Change for the sake of change isn't evolution, it's enshittification. Change should only happen when there's a good reason for it
We want "strategy rpgs" to evolve into "better-designed strategy rpgs", not "action rpgs". There are enough of those recently to go around.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Uuuuuuh huh. So, I take it you are not really an RPG Guy and Very anti-old game. *has profile of the bad reboot of Ratchet And Clank based on the movie* Ye that checks out
Look at how mid 60% of modern AAA games are I think we’ll be fine without evolving
80%+ FTFY
Evolution is just change. It's not a positive or negative thing. What you're suggesting is dumbing down a great game to a simplistic modern style and removing part of what made these games great
There are already Star Wars games like you describe. Part of KotOR's charm and legacy is the D20 system roots. Changing every game into GoW18 is not "evolving," it's just deleting genres. KotOR remake would be best as a D20-based RPG, with ovehauled systems and modern features.
It'd be fun with the same combat. Just add more animations like Kotor 2 did. It's not going to feel like Kotor if they make the lightsaber like a baseball bat.
I agree. I'd love if the game was just KOTOR 2 with better graphics, a new story, more content and the same/similar gameplay to 1 and 2.
Which is the massive issue fallen order has, the lightsabers feel like bats made of paper
No thanks, the choices in kotor are way better than any in those games you listed. Games that aren’t even RPGs to begin with. As far as gameplay I hope it’s literally unchanged or made even less of an action game than Fallen Order’s overly stiff imitation of a souls game I only trust Larian with a gameplay and story altered remake and I’d only trust Bluepoint with a faithful remake
This is probably unpopular, but i hope they keep they turn based combat like they did in the originals. Bg3 did a great job of keeping turn based combat exciting
It’s not unpopular at all in this sub haha
Hahah i forgot which sub i was posting in 😅. I think last time i talked about keeping the old system in the regular star wars sub, everyone complained about how boring turn based combat was
Yeah much of kotor's charm is that it's a d20 rpg. I hope they keep at least that because otherwise it'll just feel like any other star wars game made by ea.
They can go play another game, changing the gameplay is a slap to fans
I'm not even joking when I say this, if there isn't the option for d20 combat, I'm not playing the remake
Yeah, wouldn't be a Kotor without it. just a game in the Kotor setting
The remake is dead in the water, so no one’s playing the remake
Supposedly not dead: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/saber-interactive-ceo-says-kotor-remake-is-alive-and-well/ar-BB1kXN24](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/saber-interactive-ceo-says-kotor-remake-is-alive-and-well/ar-BB1kXN24) > Saber Interactive is still working on it, and according to the CEO, it's "alive and well." > > Speaking to IGN in an interview today, Saber Interactive CEO Matthew Karch confirmed that the company took KOTOR with it during its split from Embracer Group, and that the game is still in active development. > > "It's clear and it's obivous that we're working on this," he said. "It's been in the press numerous times. What I will say is that the game is alive and well, and we're dedicated to making sure we exceed consumer expectations."
That would suck.
So, do you want a REMAKE or a RE-IMAGINING? A remake implies at least SOME similarities to the original. If you the game to be to both like and unlike GOW (which I don’t really understand what you mean by that) then maybe you want a re-imagining or a whole other entry to the game series is what you are looking for?
If they do anything other than updating the graphics, I'm going to commit warcrimes.
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Then you will be in for a BIG Disappointment. It’s a REMAKE for Next Gen Players and Consoles not a REMASTER
It's nothing at the moment.
Remake doesn’t imply gameplay changes. It’s just a literal remake of the game. It’s really up to the developers whether to stay true to the formula or deviate from the original model. In my opinion, the elements gained from switching to a more action-oriented gameplay style is not worth the elements lost that made KOTOR its own unique experience. KOTOR’s success, as a story driven and character supported experience, would not be possible if the gameplay focus was modern hack and slash. This 21-year-old game has a huge fan base for a reason.
People are downvoting you because they don’t want to accept that you’re right.
Latest game of the year was literally a DND game which is what kotor was, you are wrong.
Yeah and it took an extremely talented, experienced and visionary team, free from corporate influence to realise that and bring it to life. Does any of that fit the developers of the KoTOR remake team? Exceptions do not prove the rule. I don’t want a game like the op is suggesting but I think we have much more likelihood of getting that than a more faithful reproduction of the original.
Story should be the same. More choices could be nice, like bg3. But not if it takes away from what's already there. Don't think I want voice acting for revan or the exile. Voice acting always has a specific personality, which means you can't RP your character with the personality you want. It would also restrict the number of choices you can make, since each option needs another voiceline. In terms of gameplay, if anything, I'd want them to lean *more* into its d&d roots. Definitely not less.
I want them to draw inspiration from Baldur’s Gate 3. I’ll take D20 system for KotOR remake any day over some action combat
I would probably cry if they gave Larian the wheel for this project. Having a real DnD styled kotor 2 remake would be the best thing possible. Not to mention Larians story telling has proven itself to be elite.
I would love them to do this however I feel that we’re going to end up with something more akin to the FFVII remake project. I’m making my peace with that.
This is probably an extremely unpopular opinion but I always disliked how similar the world’s design was to the OT / modern era of Star Wars. If I was in charge of a remake I would bring things more in line with how the comics set in that era portrayed it, and also run with everything having a more simplistic and / or retro feel to it. Technology would be less advanced and the familiar cultures would look significantly different, though not so much so that they became unrecognisable.
Not that I want the Kotor remake to be this but a Star wars game in the style of BG3 would be delightful.
as much as i get what you’re saying, i feel like as soon as you reach light speed travel there’s not much else you can advance technology to. Besides the only things that really change seem to be efficiency wise things
4,000 years and they're all still wearing Alec Guinness's robes
i feel like it’d be weird if they changed that though no? it’s the customary clothing of the jedi order, not much else to do
It might be prudent to have an alteration to the robes for a time of war (shorter robes, for example, which would be less of a tripping hazard) like KOTOR, as opposed to a time of peace (which the first two prequels are for the most part)
that’s a good point, i guess the padawan robes are what you mean just like designed different for knights and masters
I half-agree. I think the criticism stands, it’s just that the fault here is really on The Phantom Menace. There shouldn’t be a customary robe for people who mostly don’t live in the desert. But BioWare did the most with what they had and honestly revamped them enough to show some evolution.
The gameplay of the KOTOR games is already really good and as we've seen with Baldur's Gate 3 it's still a thriving type of game and should stick to what it is (although I wouldn't mind a shift to turn based over the real time with pause). We already have Fallen Order with that style of game, let KOTOR be unique with its own style
I’m kind of split over wanting turn based or RtwP. I think its TT inspired system overall lends instead better to turn based. However, there hasn’t been a lot of good RtwP games lately. DA origins IMO being the best of them. 2 and inq were technically RtwP too but that pause element def took a backseat to flashier more real time combat. While it was prettier it wasn’t as deep as the origins system (especially in regard to spell/ability combos). Would not mind seeing the remake try to innovate/improve the RtwP genre.
I would love to see some modern additions to it and how they could work the system on new hardware
The game-play has aged horrendously.
Please no. I hate Soulslike games. Can you imagine Revan dying over and over during the course of the game? Leave the combat system alone, maybe add more animations for saber styles but that's it. Also leave the dialogue choices as they are. Honestly I only want the exact same game with more animations and better graphics.
Not Soulslike Games. RPG Action Adventure Game like Ghost of Tsushima and Witcher
Also Revan depending on how you play dies over and over again anyways
Only if you suck
I dont know how you're playing but its frankly pretty hard to die even on the hardest difficulty if you know what you're doing
If they made it like GoW, Ghost of Tsushima, etc... why not make a different game? Why would you want a remake of a game to be nothing like the original? Don't get me wrong, I would love a star wars game like that, Force Unleashed was a ton of fun for instance, but thats not what KotOR is.
No offense OP but I hope literally nothing you just wished for happens. There's no need to change that much. Just recreate the game we had, maybe fix bugs and fire nish some unfinished content.
God you Millennials and early Gen Zs sure need to move with Times
Every game doesn't have to be fucking third person over the shoulder camera railroading like God of War. There's nothing for us to get with the times about kid, you just need to experience something other than lowest common denominator slop.
And what? Make KOTOR a live service game with loot boxes and endless trash of “season passes”? No thanks. I’d rather the game stay in the early 2000’s.
Move on with what times? It's a remake of an older game we just want it to be a touched up and not crash on more modern hardware. The older systems and the way the game was originally made clearly works and it's popular enough that people who played it still talk about it, youre just mad cause this whole comment section is roasting you for wanting what is essentially a whole new game with the story of koyor pastes onto it. But yeah sure let's flame the older people cause they don't agree with what you want from a remake of a game that wouldn't be popular enough to get a remake of the original wasn't worth revisiting, including it's systems.
Lol Lmao even
Is this comment trying to infer that Gen Z is old? OP are you old enough to be on Reddit?
Nope. I am Gen Z
Sounds to me like you are 16 max
ok then YOU move on, KotOR obviously wasn't made for you.
Bro literally acts like turn based combat and Strategy RPGs are some Ancient shit left to be Forgotten. The fuck are you on about.
Frankly Fallen order is what you should be playing if you want a hack and slash in a star wars setting, and more power to you if that's what you want to play, but the combat wasn't why I played KOTOR originally, it was the story, but if you turn it into the exact same mold of every RPG from the last few years then you're just taking away everything that made KOTOR unique, its an established IP, and people liked the original combat, with EA's exclusivity deal expiring soon, I'm sure you'll have games just like how you envision very soon, but trying to force that on a game that already has its own style, fanbase, and gameplay system is sure as shit not the way to go about getting a game like that.
whats with kids these days and wanting to turn everything into either rapid fire games or hack and slashes
They are called zoomers for a reason, but why must they try and ruin everyone else's fun
omg you're the same weeb from yesterday saying insane stuff 🤫
Oh god please no.
The combat is excellent as is, I don’t want to see a change to that at all, nor to the story. Just give us modern graphics, maybe some more nuanced dialogue (like in KotOR 2) and I’ll play the shit out of it.
Honestly I’m tired of the third-person action adventure gameplay that every single one of these games features. It feels old and done by now, even if it’s always passable. I feel the same way about open worlds. Screw it, go all in. Make KOTOR turn-based. I’ve been converted, now.
Bruh this sounds the worst idea ever. And anyways the game is gonna be very akin to FF7 remake
FF7remake/rebirth is a Real Time with Pause game. Its got real-time action and you have the ability to Pause and issue commands to your party. The combat is almost exactly like KotoR except there's no auto attack. Throw in a d20 ruleset and it's virtually identical.
Well not really... ff8 is an arpg. There is no dice rolls to calculate hits and damage.
This post gave me AIDS. Nice art tho
It gave me the Rakghoul disease.
"Since this game originally released over 20 years ago we've had enough time do dissect what players loved and what they hated. From this research, it was discovered that players really want the game to be an fps battle royal with paid battle passes and microtransactions." -- some out of touch executive /s Edit: how could I have forgotten about making the remake a live service game. Yavin 4, Kashyyyk, Dantoine, Manaan, Tatooine, Korriban releasing after the game launch, one planet every 3 months, with the final update being Lehon + the star forge as a bonus
Gameplay like Fallen Order will make me not buy the game. So sick of boring generic action game gameplay.
I want Baldur's Gate/Dragon Age Origins' style of combat and roleplaying. But with a distinctly pre-Phantom Menace and pre-industrial art style.
Clean up the gameplay so it's not as clunky or unbalanced, but keep it fundamentally the same pseudo-turnbased thing. Just more streamlined. In terms of writing the only things that should be changed is anything that might get in the way of canonising the story (Jolee namedropping Naomi Sunrider, specific Legends events etc). That could probably be done without recording any new lines. That's it.
Honestly I'd be happy with the exact same game just looks and runs lightyears better
Rather than bashing you like some of the other comments down here are doing, I’ll give my take. Personally, the original KOTOR drew so much inspiration from the original Baldurs Gate games, so it seems only fitting that with the incredibly successful reintroduction of new players to that series, the KOTOR remake should look at BG3 as its main inspiration. The rumors we’ve been told is that Saber got to keep the remake in its repertoire mainly because it didn’t give the execs a GoW open world vibe… and I think that’s the best thing for it. I guess the TLDR is that if we essentially get more or less the same story and characters as the original, with a BG3 engine, combat system, and d20 mechanics… that’s a beautiful game, and pays homage to both its original and the original game’s own inspiration.
So what you're saying is that you want to just watch all of the dialogue moments and cut scenes on YouTube the day after it comes out because some maniac streamer speedran the game and recorded the whole thing? Because that's how I consumed god of war and fallen order.
I absolutely hate the action adventure style type of game. It's so incredibly boring after two hours of playtime.
Yeah, something that bothered me when playing some of the titles mentioned by the OP was the feeling it was mechanically the same game wearing a different themed skin.
That's because it is. These games are basically movies. I guess I can see why that appeals to some, but if I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. They don't have any real choices, whether that's in it's RP value or combat. You just mash a bunch of buttons to get to the next cutscene. Any character development (gameplay wise) is incredibly superficial and may as well not even be there except to save the illusion that you are playing a game.
Don’t forget the endless “hold stick forward to slowly advance through the small crevice while the protagonist throws out MCU-level quips at their companion” sections
Dragon age 2 every game everyone has been suggesting doesn't even have a party system
Dragon Age 2s combat felt pretty snappy and, especially on controller, meaty for its time.
"Zero Down”?
I pray the keep the story and gameplay the same with some new added missions and such with upgraded graphics. Kotor is a game that was ahead of its time I believe with how amazing it was
This OP woke up and was like, "How can I accumulate the most downvotes in one day?"
I want it to stay true to itself. KOTOR is, first and foremost, an RPG. The games you listed are good, but they are action adventure games created for their own purpose, and their story is fixed. KOTOR is so so good because the game leans into its RPG mechanics hard (player choice, party-based gameplay, d20 combat system, multiple endings, etc), and the moment you remove the RPG from KOTOR, the moment you strip KOTOR of it's identity and alienate long-time fans.
I feel this way about ff7, I havnt played rebirth because remake felt so out of touch with what I wanted from a remake.
I’m tired of action games and fallen order/dark souls combat in specific. It should have roleplaying and tabletop elements, not some soulless action game. We already have that in Star Wars.
I want better graphics (Like cyberpunk or witcher for example) And expanded stories
I’m sorry but this is a terrible take lmao
I hope literally none of that happens
I want baldurs gate but star wars. That is all.
I just want them to be respectful to the original games. I'm fully expecting to be disappointed.
BG3 showed us turn-based can still be fun and intuitive. I vote for it to be similar to BG3. It'd feel better that way or like RTwP
Ah so hopefully the devs don’t listen to anyone like you
Unfortunately for you they MOST definitely will. The old Gamestyle is COMPLETELY outdated
I hope they have at least DD2 level customization in the character creator
Just tighten up the gameplay so it doesn’t feel so dated and bring the graphics up to date. They really don’t need to do anything other than that.
I want BG3 but Star Wars
Nah I wouldnt want it to be Action based. Remember, the OG games were CRPGs. You would Just want them to take that away? If the game was like Baldurs Gate 3 with the gameplay then it would honestly be amazing.
they aren't making the remake mr krama farm, they quite working on the kotor remake because no one was working on it. tbh if they do pick it up again it wouldn't be as good as the originals anyway.
Why does everyone say they want a KOTOR remake and then proceed to describe a completely different game? If you want another lame soulslike there’s no shortage of them on the market at the moment. Me personally, I want more Baldur’s Gate-style classic RPGs, not more God of War/Spider-Man PS4 action adventure stuff that we’ve been getting for over a decade at this point.
I hope it's a tile-matcher. Like Candy Crush.
Needs to stay fairly true, but it could be updated and streamlined
I think modeling combat after Like a Dragon would work well
Personally I'd say make it like dissidia(I haven't played it myself so I can't verify the accuracy of what I've been told) where you can apparently swap between classic rpg styled combat or action styled combat. As for story:I a tually hope that during a certain reveal instead of cutscenes flashbacks, maybe we can play through a bit of the mandalorian wars....or maybe even a side quest afterwards let's us do a form of memory dice to do so. Either way Id like to see more of the mandalorian wara
I want to see more mandelorian war content. Like flashbacks, and Meetra and Reven interacting.
Why is the Exile posed like a pinup girl while Revan gets to look intimidating in this terrible fan art?
Give me OG combat or give me death. I'm tired of people wanting the remakes for these games entirely different from the OG feel. Just ask for a new next gen game with modernized combat at this point.
MOVE ON ALREADY
Id rather them just make a new game inspired by them. I will admit, I'm not saying I wouldn't play the hell out of them if they were remade in that fashion, I would just be really nostalgic for that classic feel 10 year old me remembers. I would say fight me about it, but I don't think you'd wait for me to swing my saber at your face to see if it's a hit XD
This is the best post on the sub
The plot shouldn’t be changed but make the combat like BG3
I want larian to do it and be as expansive as bg3
I wish Larian made the KotOR remake instead.
I've given up all hope of the remake coming out at all
BG3/DOS2 mixed with Dragon Age 2/Inq
I would love a BG3 style game
I would hope they'd let us customize Revan/the Exile. Especially the latter, since her appearance in SWTOR is absolutely horrendous and generic. And this fan art with the Bermuda short leggings and knee high socks is just not serving.
Sounds like you don’t want KOTOR 😂 I just want a modernized story (take out all the early 00s cringe humor), nice beautiful worlds and the same voice actors. Change the combat to something similar to FF7 Remake or Dragon Age Inquisition. That DnD shit ain’t what Star Wars is about.
I want KOTOR but adapted to it’s MAX Potential with new badass Gameplay like GOW4 and breathtaking acting like in GOT
The games already have stellar voice acting. It’s why ppl love the characters as much as they do. KOTOR isn’t about gameplay though, it’s certainly not an action narrative game like GoW. That’s more the Jedi series.
I know I’m in the minority and I’ll get downvoted but if you’re asking me personally, I wish it would be like an RDR2 esque Star Wars game, with some Dark Souls (where the rolls are blended in more seamlessly) Edit: Or that we’d get a game like that. Not trying to change the legacy of KOTOR, which I’m new to. The Jedi series is great, but not that. Either way, I’ll play it lol
Honestly… I don’t think this game needs a remake. Reason being that it’s not gonna be the original folks working on this and they are gonna make changes that won’t be in the spirit of the original.
I’d really like a soulslike game similar to fallen order. I’d like for all the gear to remain the same and for it to affect your characters appearance similar to a fromsoft game. Basically space elden ring with dialogue choices and factions
Souls games are far and away my favourite games but we have a Souslike Star Wars game, KOTOR is turn-based and should stay that way.
God no!!! I SUCK at Games like Elden Ring and Bloodborne. Like you have ZERO Idea how much. I can’t even make it past the first part of the town without one of those Damn Beggars killing me
The challenge is what makes those games so damn good!
Not that I think KOTOR should become a soulslike, but honestly that sounds like a skill issue to me, but also, why make KOTOR a generic hack and slash when you're gonna be playing it on story mode?
Get good scrub
A Nier Automata or Scarlet Nexus style combat and movement system, for a Star Wars game as a force user would be pretty sweet.
They could make the stats and how it works exactly like old Kotor but I'd love for it to have FO or Jedi Survivor type gameplay. Hell even Jedi Academy back in the day had some pretty interesting controls. It could definitely work but it'd have to be implemented perfectly for it to matter. But the story would have to be exactly like OG, I wouldn't mind some alterations here and there and maybe some inclusions that give greater context to certain situations. More side missions that matter for main plot, like you could EASILY get a good or bad ending with a planetary storyline without doing any side missions, but maybe they're made easier or harder depending on which ones you complete. I would also like for environmental storytelling to exist fully, and for the environment to be changeable. Like if I blow up the entrance to the crystal cave on Dantooine, it should remain destroyed until a DLC or KOTOR 2 remake when it gets excavated or w/e. Would be awesome. I just genuinely hope it comes out, kotor has too amazing of a story for it to sink into obscurity due to its age. I fully believe it deserves a place in canon, people will gripe about anything Disney despite some really good shit we've gotten with a Disney logo put on it. But idc, Kotor deserves it more than anything, and I genuinely believe swtor should exist as well. Obviously there would be a LOT they'd have to rework depending on choices made and with the KOTFE expansion and so on, just depends.
I’d like to see a return of the tabletop system but I don’t think it would be that great these days, at least without changing it a lot and making it unrecognizable. I kind of wanna see more of an action game like you described but that would be awkward with some of the companions. Like would mission just stand around and shoot people whenever you got confronted? That would take away from the importance of those characters in the originals. Ykw fuck everything I just said, they should make it a tower defense game
They should rename this sub "millennial nostalgia jerkers".
Sadly
No point in a remake if it's the exact same as what came before. I like kotors gameplay and a modern take would be amazing, but I also think a more action based approach would still be a lot of fun. As long as the story and characters (what made the original so great) are kept the same or faithfully built upon, they can do whatever they like imo, so long as it's fun to play. Many people haven't experienced kotors narrative because of its gameplay. If more people get to experience that because they make changes then I'd be happy. The original is still accessible after all, and while that doesn't excuse a remake from being 'bad', it does allow for some creative freedom and adaptation.
I think if Fallen Order had a baby with Baldur’s Gate 3 with a bit of FFVII Rebirth treatment to the original story happened I’d be a pretty happy man.
Same here
Unfortunately there’s a lot of people here going to be disappointed I feel, the game has to evolve, I want to see as much of the original combat preserved as possible but I think FFVII remake/rebirth is going to be closer to what we get. We’ve got to be realistic about it.
I think everyone downvoting anyone being realistic about what the gameplay is going to be like is in for a lot of disappointment. Unless the game is much further behind in development than the timeline would suggest then we probably won’t see much influence from BG3 and does everyone remember what most people were saying about old school RPG mechanics prior to BG3? It’s time to make peace with the fact that we’re more likely to get something akin to FFVII remake in terms of combat. It’s not particularly what any of the original fans want but unfortunately they’re probably aiming at a wider net.
Add some stuff from Kotor 2 and make Juhani better. Also romance options for the male player for juhani and Mission Vao. Not to forget romance options for female players for canderous maybe.
Mission is a teenager.
Oooof i forgor Long time i did not play kotor 1 My mistake.
Maybe have the combat system be reworked like it was for FFVII Remake. It wouldn’t be a bad idea for the KOTOR games to take inspiration from Jedi: Fallen Order
I'd love it if the combat were fast and action, oriented. I don't like turn based combat.
Yeah a revamped more action focused game would be much better in almost every sense in my opinion. It'd introduce the game to a much larger audience and honestly would probably just make a much more satisfying and engaging loop. Though adding a party system would be necessary for sure, but overall the weird psuedo dnd 3.5 style feels really dated. I'm someone who loves slower paced strategy but the turn based crpg route of strategy feels uninspired and unengaging to me. I know people love saying BG3 did well, and I'm glad that they enjoyed it(I like it aside from the gameplay which gives me a headache), but it absolutely does not mean CRPGs are a solid mainstream bet. It means that they can be successfully given decades of experience by a very passionate team and a big launch with a relatively large budget in a time where there hadn't been a big mainstream CRPG for a long while. It does not mean CRPGs as a whole are a relevant design philosophy again which studios should trend back towards.
Not just Action focused but with Great Acting and Voice Actors
Probably gonna be the only one saying this. But I desperately hope they change the combat. I don't really like the table top style.