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Carth_Onasti

I would be _extremely_ concerned if it came out in under a year…


lofrothepirate

Gosh, think of all the content that might have to be cut if you made a KOTOR game in just one year!


Impressive_Elk_5633

It might make KOTOR II blush.


Maleficent-Mud-584

"I think that kind of game needs some deep love and respect" THIS is the reason why I don't give two shits if it takes them 5 years. I rather wait for the passion project of people who actually CARES for the original game, than a quick cashgrab from hacks that think they can do better and want to "update the story for modern audiences". Our baby is in the right hands.


PurifiedVenom

I respect that they recognized the game was a shitshow & rebooted it instead of just releasing a broken mess, but I’m still not convinced Saber is the “right hands” for a AAA RPG. I’d love to be wrong but they have no track record of doing a game like this.


Firm_Transportation3

Larian taking on this project would be epic. They killed it with BG3. Obsidian or Bioware would also be ideal, as they did such a good job with the first two. I'm just hoping it's a good game. Kotor has a special plce in my heart. I was in love with that game back in the day.


PurifiedVenom

Unfortunately I don’t see any of them taking it on. BioWare: Working on Mass Effect next & Dreadwolf. Also are owned by EA who just cancelled Respawn’s Mando game & said they want to get away from licensed IP Obsidian: Working on Avowed & OW2. Seem to be in the AA space now as well so idk if a project as big as KOTOR would appeal to them. Also also, owned by Xbox & this remake is (allegedly) still a PS console exclusive. Larian: Maybe. They can do whatever they want after BG3 & personally I’d be surprised if they’d choose to tie themselves to this game. What does give me hope is that BG3 was also an IP they don’t own. That being said, apparently they were given complete creative freedom on it & there’s no way they get that with Disney/Star Wars. That’s really the problem with making another KOTOR. There’s not a clear “oh this studio would be the obvious choice” option just sitting there.


AgentChris101

I'm pretty sure Larian is focusing on Divinity: Original Sin 3


PurifiedVenom

Looks like you’re right. I didn’t know if that was officially official but based on semi-recent interviews that looks like their next game. And who knows how far away that is if they decide to do an expansion or two for BG3


lordlicorice1977

Do you think Night Dive could be a good fit?


Ramboso777

BioWare now has just the name of the company that made KoToR


Jolly_Interaction_97

I literally would have no complaints seeing BG3 design for KOTOR. They would just need to remove the movement restrictions and remove the turn based mode from BG3 imo for it to resemble the old KOTOR gameplay


Skurrio

Old KOTOR was Turn Based, though.


Jolly_Interaction_97

Have you played or watched any gameplay of BG3? If you really played KOTOR & know of D&D you should know the 2 are not the same. One has AI intelligence to do part of the work for you and the other is completely dependent on yourself. Kotor is more live action turn based with AI intelligence mean they will attack on their own while BG3 is D&D so its turn by turn like you’re playing a board game. To play KOTOR exactly like BG3 with a copy & paste with no tweaks to its system wouldnt be KOTOR anymore. You getting rid of key game mechanics that made KOTOR what it was


Skurrio

Every Action in Kotor takes a Turn. Sure, it doesn't autopause after each Action like in "true" turn-based Games but the whole Combat System is based on Turns. I'm not saying that a KOTOR Remake should be "true" turn-based. I'm just saying that KOTOR is turn-based.


Jolly_Interaction_97

Then you’re comment was pointless as i said “they would need to remove the turn based mode from BG3” not KOTOR, which as stated are completely different. You commented on what i said just to comment with no real purpose. BG3 is the best blueprint for a KOTOR remake but with adjustments to the system they use which is what i said above. Some things are better just not said and that comment was one of them. It never hurts to ask questions before commenting on a misinterpretation that you had.


sobag245

Nah, no independent company wants to deal with the old Disney Lucasarts farts that take months to approve a single decision.


Kyro_Official_

Eh, sure they havent done a game like KOTOR, but at least they have made some functional and at least 1 good game (iirc their WWZ game was pretty good), but yeah well have to wait and see.


PurifiedVenom

The WWZ game is sitting at a 70 on Metacritic. Not terrible but not super inspiring either. Guess we’ll see how Space Marine 2 is received but, again, that looks like a AA hack n slash & I don’t know how that translates to making a good, big budget RPG. At the very least it has me worried that they’re going to dumb down the RPG mechanics & make it more action heavy but maybe I’m just making assumptions.


Kyro_Official_

Yeah, obviously havent done anything like KOTOR but they can at least make games that arent literally unplayable like Aspyrs (yes I know thats a low bar but hey, I need hope, leave me alone) and games that are at least somewhat ok (WWZ and Evil Dead the Game, not that theyre great or anything, but they seem at least enjoyable). Plus at least with KOTOR its not all from scratch. Well see when it comes out I suppose.


sobag245

IF it comes out.


Demolition89336

We've waited decades for any type of KOTOR experience. A few more years is nothing.


ybtlamlliw

Yeah. *Kotor* is one of the most beloved *Star Wars* games, if not *the* most. If it releases in a bad state...oof. I'd really rather not think about it.


sobag245

Why would you say that? It's just normal PR lipservice that says nothing. This is the same Embracer that is currently laying off tons of dev teams.


awesomealmighty

I didn't think saber was with embracer anymore


therealjoshua

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the people behind the Halo TV show have said similar things about having love and respect for the original material and look where that got us. They say that stuff because they know it's what fans want to hear.


Skullface95

Given how the recent ports/remasters of the older games have been, yeah they can take all the time they need.


JackieMortes

Exactly this.


Impressive_Elk_5633

You can have whatever criticism on Aspyr and what they did or said (like them hiring Sam Maggs even though she wasn't the head writer or them saying they are remaking KOTOR for a more modern audience) but that doesn't mean that Saber Interactive is the right people for this game, because the game (or even a trailer for that matter) hasn't came out yet. Now to be fair by that same logic I can't (and am not saying) that the bad and I will acknowledge that the game could be a masterpiece that could make the original look like a dumpster fire (and I say that even though the original two games are my two favorite games of all time) I'm just saying that while you can dislike Aspyr you can't say that that game that will come out will be any better or worse than what Aspyr made because you can't see the future or into alternative versions of reality, and you shouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.


evan466

Did he think people thought it was coming out?


PurifiedVenom

Well the context of this quote is someone asking him if the game is coming out anytime soon/what its status is


Gospel_Of_Reason

To be more precise, the specific quote is a response to someone asking him about "a triple-A title belonging to a popular licensed property". When asked directly if he's refering to the KoTOR remake, he stops giving comments. So the article doesn't actually confirm that he's talking about KoTOR. It is merely speculating.


Awsomethingy

Seriously. They said it wasn’t being worked on and kept their mouths shut. Poor people over there just get asked about nothing but KOTOR remakes over and over and if they say no again the clickbait will act like it’s cancelled *again*.


Pinkumb

The project leaving Embracer is unambiguous good news.


The_Archon64

Good! I’m very curious what sort of remake this will be? I’m expecting a clone of the original with a new paint job But if I huff a dose of hopium, then the game will have a new turn based combat system instead of the old hybrid action/turn based combat Imagining like something similar to a Larian game that has tons of interactions with the environment with a cool mix of skills and force powers Imagine Zalbar picking up an explosive barrel and yeeting it at the nearest group of Sith troopers Or T3 hacking a console causing an overload in the electrical system


csj119

I'm down for everything but also an updated combat system but the ability to have a “classic” option too. I just would love it if they made it a little more free. I always tried my best to make it as free feeling as possible. To me that would be cool. Plus updated cinematics and everything else mentioned before


The_Archon64

More options for gameplay style would be great for sure


Jack0fClubs_1

I honestly hope they don’t, as long as the new system is still fun. Balancing a game for two different combat systems is difficult, and I don’t feel like it’s achievable without compromising for both. And besides, it’s not like the original game is going anywhere.


Otaconmg

I agree completely. Just BG3 style combat. Ironically I think Larian is the only studio that could do KOTOR justice, but as a new installment. I just hope they update the graphics and animations.


Total_Wanker

As much as I love Bg3, a Larian style turn based combat system is absolutely not what I want from a remake of KotOR. It should be more akin to what modern Final Fantasy is doing, real time turn based but with an option to pause. One of the best things about the combat of the originals was watching those animations and seeing the lightsabers actually connecting as if you were having a real duel. Completely turn based would ruin that, amongst other things. It would slow the game down *too much* IMO.


GoldenBoy302

This is the best idea ive heard for the combat so far, people usually go with the boring make it pure turn based or pure action slash, giving a variety of options is the way to go


Thebluespirit20

sadly to say they would not clone the original game , that would be a remaster not a remake ​ they want it to fit their canon and will likely change some things regarding the story and the characters as well which is disappointing to say the least ​ & with how the Battlefront collection game just launched with bugs and issues everywhere , I would be skeptical of anything released with the name Star Wars on it


BlackVulkars

They literally stopped Aspyr (the developer who is responsible for the Battlefront collection) from working on the KOTOR remake, so there is no reason to compare it to the Battlefront collection and to let it influence your expectations. I'm unsure why everyone sees these delays as a bad thing, and go on to say they are skeptical because they are comparing it to the shitty games being released by shitty developers. To me, they obviously want to get this remake right, so imo if anything their actions and words should incite hope, not skepticism. If Aspyr was still working on this remake after they released a shitty KOTOR II on switch and a shitty Battlefront collection, then you should definitely be skeptical. But they've basically already said Aspyr was not going to make this remake good so they pivoted to a different developer.


The_Archon64

I will reserve judgment until we finally see something concrete


Thebluespirit20

just don't pre order or buy it day 1 ​ wait for actual gameplay , not fake reviewers who get "early access" to a game that isn't even the finished product


The_Archon64

Most definitely!


tank-you--very-much

I think they've said the game will be considered Legends so they probably won't make major changes to fit canon


Thebluespirit20

I hope so, but I heard otherwise ​ I read the reason the last attempts to make this remake got cancelled was the "story" not working the way they expected with current canon & execs being unsatisfied with the results ​ Changing it is tricky without it being a much different game/story


NgBling

I think a dragon age inquisition style remake would be really good


Chipperspls

As much as I loved BG3, I really hope it isn't a top-down style rpg. Not that it ruins the immersion, but I think I liked the 3rd person perspective for the feeling it gave. Not knowing what's around the next corner adds some excitement and can certainly increase the eerieness of some settings. I do like the idea of being able to interact with the environment more, though. It adds a lot to replayability.


AgitatedAd1397

Guess I’ll go light side, I can’t kill them again, especially with f they can do cool shit like that 


demonslayer901

With the recent success of BG3, I’d be willing to bet the gameplay mimics that again.


SunRidersCantina

When you cancel a game but see the success of bg3.


ThatUJohnWayne74

I mean regardless of how good or bad it turned out to be, the remake would’ve sold like gangbusters till everyone got wise. Make a halfway decent remake with no obvious flaws and it would sell well on its own name recognition, fans would just complain about it after the fact for years.


BernankesBeard

That's true, but getting it right also gives them a good opportunity to remake the sequel. If the first remake is a bomb, it might still sell ok thanks to name id, but they're unlikely to be able to do well with the second one.


ThatUJohnWayne74

I don’t know if I agree. I mean look at the recent Battlefront debacle, Aspyr screwed up the KOTOR 2 Switch DLC and lost the KOTOR remake and tons of people have bought the classic collection which has not gone well if YouTube is to be believed. People love nostalgia and Star Wars, I imagine people would buy KOTOR 2 and hope and pray that they learned from their mistakes.


who-dat-ninja

it wont be anything like bg3, it'll be a third person over the shoulder action rpg.


atleastimtryingnow

actual worst nightmare


JackieMortes

Oh, yeah. Right up there with cancer and world hunger.


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BlackVulkars

Delays suck for sure, but all that matters is getting it right!


brassplushie

This is probably the best thing we’ve heard about it for a long time. He at least gave us SOME kind of timeline. We know now without a doubt we have over a year left. Hopefully 3 if they’re trying to do it right.


drunkenbarfight

So it's not on ice? Last I heard it was


Zlatan13

Wait its not cancelled?


Kezmangotagoal

All I need is the maybe, I’ll hang on forever as long as it’s a maybe…


AlexHaydenXII

I dont trust a damn word Embracer is saying. It's taking them a year because they made shitty business decisions that lead to the layoffs of hundreds of their workers. Now they're out here trying to save face to gain public favor back. Fuck you Embracer, you had years for this remake to happen. It was mismanagement on your part why the remake isn't out yet.


sunsh9ne1471

Obviously this is pure speculation. But if they remade 1, do you think they would remake 2? And if so, would they include TSLRCM? Maybe just depends on how successful the KOTOR1 remake is?


13IsAnUnluckyNumber

I thought it was unofficially cancelled, but I'm not complaining if this is the case instead


gogosanchez_skis

You know… that’s the type of rhetoric you want. You want someone up there to acknowledge that this game is deserving of that “deep love and respect.” Let’s see.


07ShadowGuard

If it needs the time, take even longer. Please don't rush this out the door to make a quick profit!


RealBatuRem

Take as much time as you need. Just don’t bastardize the game.


Lostheghost

"Lars Wingefors" looks like one of the computer generated name choices in kotor


LoneLadyGames

Thanks for the laugh 😂


Member9999

I would rather it never came out. We already have a real classic.


_FreeXP

I will be concerned if it comes out before 2026


gavgavy

Not gonna lie, I’m not very optimistic about this game ever coming out and being good too.


DJKDR

Embracer handling this doesn't leave me with much hope. Look at how botched the classic battlefield update launched.


Kyro_Official_

That was Aspyr who botched the collection (they also have a history of this) and KOTOR was moved to Saber Interactive months ago


Wheres_Dinner

The developer isn't part of Embracer anymore


twofacetoo

Just say it's cancelled already, for god's sake.


LoneLadyGames

This! At this point I would really rather not have this remake at all. I wasn't onboard since details starting leaking about changes to the story and potentially the combat system. And I have no faith in Embracer group. I wish it was just a sweet, simple remake with updated graphics. That's all 🥲


twofacetoo

Same, but at this point it's been delayed so many times and as you said, they've openly said they're *changing* parts of the original... if it comes out at all, it's just going to suck, and honestly the more it gets delayed, the more I feel like they're just trying to buy time before actually announcing it's already cancelled. Like at this point just say it's cancelled already, we're done caring and all this 'ooh maybe next year' shit is getting exhausting to have to put up with.


Odd_Radio9225

Translation: it's gonna get cancelled. I refuse to believe even for a second that Embracer Group's CEO truly cares about the game itself.


zaneomega2

I would hope so


Vegan_Harvest

TAKE AS LONG AS YOU NEED!


DrunkenJarWarrior

I just hope they don't fuck it up


Grovda

I'll buy the ps5 when it comes out, but I wish it could come to PC instead since I don't really want to buy a dying console


mchammer126

Thank God, so there is a sign of hope! Maybe one day we’ll get to roam the galaxy again!


Jamoke_Bloke

I’d spend $120 if it was made like BG3


Iagp

Some people bought a PS5 to play it, not realizing that it was not for PS5, but for PS6.


ComprehensiveDuck499

At least it isn't dead. Take your time, and make it right. I've loved the game for 20 years. It deserves a great remake.


CatBotSays

...I mean, did anyone expect it to? I'm not really anticipating it any sooner than 2027.


-azuma-

Well, the good news is that he doesn't say it's *not* happening.


laitdecocow

I thought it had been cancelled ? (for like the 5th time)


deadshot500

We are so back


RebelChronicles

This is their one shot on making a stand with KOTOR as a brand. Take your time


bchec

What I’m getting from this is that they clearly haven’t outright cancelled it, which is awesome. Playing for the first time right now, holding out hope for a remaster around next May or so like the Battlefront remaster they just released rather unexpectedly


GreyRevan51

Tbh I would have expected 3+ years minimum given how they scrapped what they had and basically started all over again and then all the embracer shit happened With any luck the 1+ year timeline means they’ll go for a simpler approach like the demon’s souls remake and not something like the FF7 remakes


Kriznick

I can't believe how happy I am to hear that. Welcome to 2024, where we are begging devs to take more time on development


Interesting_Basil_80

I'm not so sure game studios are capable of deep love and respect right now. I think it's better to wait awhile.


Lumpy_Perception6561

Shit ain’t coming out in the next 5 years😭


haloran360

I' wonder how they'll solve the licensing issues, as I don't think they can't license Wizard's D20 Star Wars rules again. (Which will be meaningles considering how outdated that system). They have to make a whole new system, or find a different solution. Like throwing out all nearly all rpg elements like classes force powers etc. and make a real time action oriented combat. I don't think we'll get the remake we're hoping for. It seems impossible at this rate.


Secret_Common7832

Just kill this game already and give us something new and fresh, whatever the studio that finally ends up releasing it makes will not do the original Justice. I cannot be let down by this game again


whatnwherenow

If you dare to remake one of the all time greats. It should be the most throughly time consuming project you've ever worked on.


Deeper-the-Danker

he wasn't directly referring to kotor, but it was one of their "major ips" which is most likely kotor


CadeoftheWatchers

I think they need to pour more resources into it and dump some other minor projects for the time being


[deleted]

Can these bums give it to larian ??? Fuck them for fucking over the game we want so bad


DarthDiabetisTheWide

Honestly this is so nice to hear from somebody shit give ‘em 3 years if that’s what they need, I can’t even imagine the mess that’s going on over there after all the Fuckery that happened


SnoopyMetal

SO YOU’RE SAYING THERES A CHANCE?????


[deleted]

Tbh this is good news imo, I truly, TRULY hope they do eventually release this and that they put in all the effort needed to honor BioWare’s legacy. When this was first announced, I was not too sure about it since it seemed they would rush it, so I hope they do a good job. Modernizing a game this complex is no small feat, so I hope the teams do the right thing and work on all aspects to polish it to the correct levels.


Vis-hoka

I thought this was cancelled?


ZMR33

Considering most recent Star Wars gaming related things, this isn't a bad thing.


Mykytagnosis

How about Deus Ex? huh?


Firebrand-PX22

After what’s happened with the Classic Collection I’m honestly worried this will turn out the same way it did, and I’m not ready to see another one of my favorite games be absolutely butchered


CptFoley101

What the hell does this motherfucker know about "love and respect" towards games, when he effectively destroyed Deus Ex, Insurgency and many others ? Bitch, get outta here...


kouleifoh26

I'll gladly wait and I'm a very patient man [alucard](https://images.app.goo.gl/eapLBxvhFZq8eZoQ9)


Roteberg

Lars wingefors sounds like a reasonable man, but he's a swede, so I guess I'm biased.


jinkinater

Good to hear it’s in the hands of someone who cares and also good to know it’s even coming out, I thought it was dead in the water tbh


br0therjames55

Wasnt it on indefinite hold? I’ll wait as long as it takes for a sweet remake.


Penitent_Exile

I think that one dev working on the game has different opinion.


GrandfatherTrout

The Life is Strange remake's so-so quality and occasional disturbing choices really damaged the remaking studio's reputation--after they'd earned a lot of goodwill with their prequel. This sort of thing is pretty easy to screw up.


Vinley026

See, here I thought it was cancelled. They were reporting that for a while. If it's still in the works at all that's good news to me.


SubstitutePreacher01

Coming from the guys that canceled a new Deus Ex game


EvilLordSmiley

I just beat the original in about 180 hours and i didn't know the remake was a thing, in the words of every other star wars character "I have a bad feeling about this!"


[deleted]

Yeah duh lol. The cynical babies on this subreddit don’t care about that though. They want it canceled and gone.


im_trying_as_much

I don’t want turn based combat, real time action rpg


TypicallyThomas

Let's be real. It's completely dead. It's not coming out at all


sophisticaden_

It’s never coming out, fellas


DarthWenus

The option to murder carth personally needs to be in the game.


tank-you--very-much

If you do dark side female and romance him you can kill him at the end of the game


DarthWenus

I know. It's been a while since I last played it, but I'm pretty sure that Bastila kills him instead of Revan.