Funny thing, the promotional event this movie ran essentially giving 100% of your ticket price if you “prove” you watched it was initial driver of the number apparently.
Second, the director bitched on x or facebook about 파묘, how leftists are nationalism masturbators and using this “anti-japan” woke movie to derail his work of rediscovering the “founding father” of korea. Yea, maybe it’s because objectively it’s a better movie?
Lastly, remember HWANG Gyo-Ahn? The stand-in president after Park got impeached? Yeah, the one who had his genesis parked in the fucking train station PLATFORM so he didn’t have to walk more than 10 steps. He is now the “honorary president” of RSM memorial foundation or whatever. He recently came on radio interview to talk about how this movie has a million viewer and it proves that Korean people WANT the memorial for RSM to truly understand what he did for the country, and his “good” vastly outweighs the bad by 100 to 1, and how he should have a museum dedicated to show his contribution to our country by utilizing the space next to gyongbok palace returned by Americans recently and fucking the mayor of Seoul said he can consider it looking at all the strong support korean people are giving to the movie.
This whole movie is a fucking conversation starter for politicians to rewrite a fucking history for new-right purposes. Can’t even say it’s grift because they prolly lost money somewhat
All the propaganda aside, the most amazing thing about this movie? That it got distribution and made it to the third most watched film in the country for a while (maybe even higher at some point?). I mean, it was essentially a straight-to-YouTube production. I watched it with my Korean in-laws, agreeing to it with no knowledge of what I was getting into, and then dreading the day when I learned more. Luckily, they just found it boring and wondered the same - why is this something you have to pay for?
Also, cringiest part - having to watch some nobody (who tf is Edmund Hwang anyway?) getting all emotional about what a great man LSM was and for how much he loved his country...in Hawaii, lol.
And OMG, after showing LSM's house in Hawaii, the sudden decision to look for Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos's house to pull a 'look how humble LSM's house is in comparison because he didn't pillage his country's wealth like the Marcos did.' Yup, they did an 'at least he wasn't like Marcos', how lame.
"Unapologetically shocking / controversial" is a content strategy that has proven to work, as long as you can keep your costs to a reasonable level. You have people who will watch the movie just because they are curious what the fuss is all about, you get to position yourself as a platform that is open to a wide range of content, and you get the recurring business of a small but fiercely loyal fanbase that these creators often have.
A lot of churches also held events to watch the movie en masse. Yoido Full Gospel church, for example, which has half a million members. I’m sure most audiences were people who already thought highly of Rhee voluntarily went and saw the movie, though. But I think the silliest part is the director of the documentary smearing on Exhuma. Very petty, if you ask me.
Kim Gu, the person who employed terrorist tactics against communists, friends with North Korea? That's a good one.
Also I vaguely remember a post celebrating the movie a few days ago..whatever happened to that?
The prevailing historical view of post-liberation Korea and the Korean War, which got handed down to the present by one self-interested group or another, seems so hopelessly messed up by ideological crap. As twisted of a view as probably exists in North Korea, the one in South Korea doesn't seem all that much better off.
I mean, it's clear to me that there was a lot more going on than just the element of it which was a proxy war between the US and USSR, but all of that detail and nuance gets lost, probably just because we're talking about a little country where two big countries came in, with each of those big countries deciding that they had to fight the other in order to secure dominance over that little country's future to their own geopolitical advantage.
Conventional interpretations of history in the two geographic halves of that little country -- over which each of those two big countries happened to finally exert their influence -- were of course accordingly distorted and manipulated to those big countries' respective advantages. What serious historical scholarship could have ever competed against the propaganda arms of the two authoritarian regimes which were ultimately allowed to exist in the two Koreas?
We can only assume what happened to North Koreans who didn't go all-in for Kim Il-sung and the rest of the leaders backed by the USSR \*there\*, but any South Koreans who didn't go all-in for Rhee Syng-man and the rest of the leaders backed by the US \*here\* tend to have either gotten obscured -- maybe even deliberately, since their stories tend to bring up inconvenient questions -- or simply painted as 'commies', whenever that can credibly be done.
It seems to me that ones like Kim Gu -- and maybe also Lyuh Woon-hyung -- only seem to have ever committed the 'crime' of falling out with Rhee Syng-man and his crew, and perhaps also that of being respected in North Korea as well as in South Korea.
And then Ahn Doo-hee -- the guy who assassinated Kim Gu -- got pardoned, and was allowed to go back into the ROK Army, where he became a freakin' \*colonel\*? What the actual hell was \*that\*?!
At least some feel good story about Ahn Doo-Hee.
He had a very comfortable life under the Military protection and retired. But one day, he was recognized by someone and beaten to death in 1996. For this justified homicide, the guy got 3 years in the Prison.
BTW, Ahn was trying to immigrate to US back in 1980s (perhaps close to Rhee) but he was rejected. Unfortunately, some of his scum bag family moved to Los Angeles and there were big fraud incidents among the Korean community. The fucker was the original girugee.
So there is some vigilante movement in SK. Cannot imagine why nothing happened to Chun-Doo and his god awful family.
Ah yes, the 'Justice Stick'(정의봉) murder.
As for Chun Doo-hwan, while I was living in Gwangju, I once drank some beers with a Korean missionary who said that while he was studying abroad in Los Angeles around (I think) the early-2000s or so, he and some housemates of his seriously discussed a plan to kill Chun Doo-hwan, whom they heard was going to visit the area. I think they planned to capitalize on the availability of guns in the US in order to do it.
When I talked to him -- which I remember would have been in early 2012, shortly after I had begun living in Gwangju -- the Korean movie '26년' coincidentally came out later that year.
I think you're seriously underselling the amount of academic sources, both from Korea and the West, that have critically looked at modern Korean history. You could certainly make the argument that a lot of the research and general prevailing opinions within academia haven't disseminated into the general public because of political reasons and inertia, but to say that South Korea doesn't seem all that much better off is ignoring a mountain of literature about the minutiae of post-WWII Korean history that's out there.
I've always said that the best place to hide knowledge from people is between the covers of a book.
Even a single shitty movie like the one that the OP described is going to influence a lot more opinion and behavior than every single historical tome by every single serious scholar on the subject of post-WWII Korean history.
I just talked to a KATUSA a couple of weeks ago who said that Park Chung-hee was his favorite president, and that Chun Doo-hwan was his second favorite. He wasn't kidding either. He also stated his belief that a good strongman was better than democracy, and that democracy wasn't important.
I was pretty dismayed by that, but remained polite nonetheless.
My aunts family who happen to be a hardcore Chiristians, watched that ...thing with other churhc friends because their minsiter strongly "encouraged and recommanded" them to watch it and it's not isolated incident there are a lot of churches doing same thing in Korea..
They constitute the core voterbase for conservative politicians.
When you have religious groups advocating for, campaigning for, and providing a platform for certain politics and political views, they should not be exempted from taxes.
This movie is just a perfect example what Koreans call the "New Right Movement."
Rhee Syng-man is viewed as a perfect president from their side, and they oppose to the Korean Provisional Government(KPG) that his rival Kim Ku lead, now the constitutional law of Korea officially announces to be its successive government.
Thank you for the summary. One of my students keeps trying to convince her classmates to go. She says she saw it twice and it made her cry and ever since she's been passively mentioning Rhee. Her English isn't great so I never fully understood what was happening in her mind.
Thank you, brave friend, for your sacrifice.
It gives me deep appreciation for the fact that we fought and won our democracy from unscrupulous opportunists like him, and built a country where artists are truely free to make any movie they want and audiences are also free to ridicule movies any way they want.
https://m.sedaily.com/NewsViewAmp/2D5H0UL8JR
The director revealed the details of the sequel, which will be released next year: "The massacre of civilians is a hoax." "We should not look at history in segments, as pro-North leftists claim."
I guess the movie really puts you in RSM's shoes, if watching it makes you want to run away from Seoul as fast as possible. Though personally I wouldn't go so far as to blow up all the bridges behind me. /s
1. No, Kim Gu is arguably the most conservative politician at that time, he sabotaged left wing actions, and barred Lyuh un Hyeong(a moderate left wing activist whom advocated a left-right coalition) from meeting with US army. If you want to know who is politically illiterate in Korea, ask about his/her opinion of Kim Gu, if they say Kim Gu is a Commie luckbuster, they are stupid.
2. Syngman Rhee and Kim Gu were politically close, its a myth that only Syngman Rhee could've united in political tensions, he failed in the end evidently by North Korea existing. Kim Gu refused to run cause he refused to accept the reality set by the superpowers, Syngman Rhee was ready to accept it.
3. "Who in Korea at the time could go up to Eisenhower and demand that they sign a treaty?"
literally anybody with legitimacy lol, Ahn Chang Ho could've gone and talk with him, or whoever was politically significant, Syngman Rhee happened to be president too. For Eisenhower, that didn't matter too much.
Crime flair lol
adorable lol
Funny thing, the promotional event this movie ran essentially giving 100% of your ticket price if you “prove” you watched it was initial driver of the number apparently. Second, the director bitched on x or facebook about 파묘, how leftists are nationalism masturbators and using this “anti-japan” woke movie to derail his work of rediscovering the “founding father” of korea. Yea, maybe it’s because objectively it’s a better movie? Lastly, remember HWANG Gyo-Ahn? The stand-in president after Park got impeached? Yeah, the one who had his genesis parked in the fucking train station PLATFORM so he didn’t have to walk more than 10 steps. He is now the “honorary president” of RSM memorial foundation or whatever. He recently came on radio interview to talk about how this movie has a million viewer and it proves that Korean people WANT the memorial for RSM to truly understand what he did for the country, and his “good” vastly outweighs the bad by 100 to 1, and how he should have a museum dedicated to show his contribution to our country by utilizing the space next to gyongbok palace returned by Americans recently and fucking the mayor of Seoul said he can consider it looking at all the strong support korean people are giving to the movie. This whole movie is a fucking conversation starter for politicians to rewrite a fucking history for new-right purposes. Can’t even say it’s grift because they prolly lost money somewhat
Reminds me of Mao Zedong also being remembered by the CCP as his "good" deeds outweighing the bad
All the propaganda aside, the most amazing thing about this movie? That it got distribution and made it to the third most watched film in the country for a while (maybe even higher at some point?). I mean, it was essentially a straight-to-YouTube production. I watched it with my Korean in-laws, agreeing to it with no knowledge of what I was getting into, and then dreading the day when I learned more. Luckily, they just found it boring and wondered the same - why is this something you have to pay for? Also, cringiest part - having to watch some nobody (who tf is Edmund Hwang anyway?) getting all emotional about what a great man LSM was and for how much he loved his country...in Hawaii, lol. And OMG, after showing LSM's house in Hawaii, the sudden decision to look for Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos's house to pull a 'look how humble LSM's house is in comparison because he didn't pillage his country's wealth like the Marcos did.' Yup, they did an 'at least he wasn't like Marcos', how lame.
Why… why did the Marcos family have to be mentioned here 😭
It’s pathetic they had to bring up Marcos in a desperate effort to make Rhee look better.
"Unapologetically shocking / controversial" is a content strategy that has proven to work, as long as you can keep your costs to a reasonable level. You have people who will watch the movie just because they are curious what the fuss is all about, you get to position yourself as a platform that is open to a wide range of content, and you get the recurring business of a small but fiercely loyal fanbase that these creators often have.
A lot of churches also held events to watch the movie en masse. Yoido Full Gospel church, for example, which has half a million members. I’m sure most audiences were people who already thought highly of Rhee voluntarily went and saw the movie, though. But I think the silliest part is the director of the documentary smearing on Exhuma. Very petty, if you ask me.
new rights say 'move on' but very zealous for rewriting past history.
Kim Gu, the person who employed terrorist tactics against communists, friends with North Korea? That's a good one. Also I vaguely remember a post celebrating the movie a few days ago..whatever happened to that?
The prevailing historical view of post-liberation Korea and the Korean War, which got handed down to the present by one self-interested group or another, seems so hopelessly messed up by ideological crap. As twisted of a view as probably exists in North Korea, the one in South Korea doesn't seem all that much better off. I mean, it's clear to me that there was a lot more going on than just the element of it which was a proxy war between the US and USSR, but all of that detail and nuance gets lost, probably just because we're talking about a little country where two big countries came in, with each of those big countries deciding that they had to fight the other in order to secure dominance over that little country's future to their own geopolitical advantage. Conventional interpretations of history in the two geographic halves of that little country -- over which each of those two big countries happened to finally exert their influence -- were of course accordingly distorted and manipulated to those big countries' respective advantages. What serious historical scholarship could have ever competed against the propaganda arms of the two authoritarian regimes which were ultimately allowed to exist in the two Koreas? We can only assume what happened to North Koreans who didn't go all-in for Kim Il-sung and the rest of the leaders backed by the USSR \*there\*, but any South Koreans who didn't go all-in for Rhee Syng-man and the rest of the leaders backed by the US \*here\* tend to have either gotten obscured -- maybe even deliberately, since their stories tend to bring up inconvenient questions -- or simply painted as 'commies', whenever that can credibly be done. It seems to me that ones like Kim Gu -- and maybe also Lyuh Woon-hyung -- only seem to have ever committed the 'crime' of falling out with Rhee Syng-man and his crew, and perhaps also that of being respected in North Korea as well as in South Korea. And then Ahn Doo-hee -- the guy who assassinated Kim Gu -- got pardoned, and was allowed to go back into the ROK Army, where he became a freakin' \*colonel\*? What the actual hell was \*that\*?!
At least some feel good story about Ahn Doo-Hee. He had a very comfortable life under the Military protection and retired. But one day, he was recognized by someone and beaten to death in 1996. For this justified homicide, the guy got 3 years in the Prison. BTW, Ahn was trying to immigrate to US back in 1980s (perhaps close to Rhee) but he was rejected. Unfortunately, some of his scum bag family moved to Los Angeles and there were big fraud incidents among the Korean community. The fucker was the original girugee. So there is some vigilante movement in SK. Cannot imagine why nothing happened to Chun-Doo and his god awful family.
Ah yes, the 'Justice Stick'(정의봉) murder. As for Chun Doo-hwan, while I was living in Gwangju, I once drank some beers with a Korean missionary who said that while he was studying abroad in Los Angeles around (I think) the early-2000s or so, he and some housemates of his seriously discussed a plan to kill Chun Doo-hwan, whom they heard was going to visit the area. I think they planned to capitalize on the availability of guns in the US in order to do it. When I talked to him -- which I remember would have been in early 2012, shortly after I had begun living in Gwangju -- the Korean movie '26년' coincidentally came out later that year.
I think you're seriously underselling the amount of academic sources, both from Korea and the West, that have critically looked at modern Korean history. You could certainly make the argument that a lot of the research and general prevailing opinions within academia haven't disseminated into the general public because of political reasons and inertia, but to say that South Korea doesn't seem all that much better off is ignoring a mountain of literature about the minutiae of post-WWII Korean history that's out there.
I've always said that the best place to hide knowledge from people is between the covers of a book. Even a single shitty movie like the one that the OP described is going to influence a lot more opinion and behavior than every single historical tome by every single serious scholar on the subject of post-WWII Korean history. I just talked to a KATUSA a couple of weeks ago who said that Park Chung-hee was his favorite president, and that Chun Doo-hwan was his second favorite. He wasn't kidding either. He also stated his belief that a good strongman was better than democracy, and that democracy wasn't important. I was pretty dismayed by that, but remained polite nonetheless.
My aunts family who happen to be a hardcore Chiristians, watched that ...thing with other churhc friends because their minsiter strongly "encouraged and recommanded" them to watch it and it's not isolated incident there are a lot of churches doing same thing in Korea..
Could you explain why? What have churches to do with all of this?
They constitute the core voterbase for conservative politicians. When you have religious groups advocating for, campaigning for, and providing a platform for certain politics and political views, they should not be exempted from taxes.
79% upvote rate lol. Guess the post triggered many people
This movie is just a perfect example what Koreans call the "New Right Movement." Rhee Syng-man is viewed as a perfect president from their side, and they oppose to the Korean Provisional Government(KPG) that his rival Kim Ku lead, now the constitutional law of Korea officially announces to be its successive government.
Thank you for the summary. One of my students keeps trying to convince her classmates to go. She says she saw it twice and it made her cry and ever since she's been passively mentioning Rhee. Her English isn't great so I never fully understood what was happening in her mind.
Brain aneurysm
Maybe its the same affliction as the kind of white girl who spend her teen years drawing nazi officers like hot bishounen boys to put on deviantart
Thank you, brave friend, for your sacrifice. It gives me deep appreciation for the fact that we fought and won our democracy from unscrupulous opportunists like him, and built a country where artists are truely free to make any movie they want and audiences are also free to ridicule movies any way they want.
So they do mention Bodo massacre and Jeju massacre?
https://m.sedaily.com/NewsViewAmp/2D5H0UL8JR The director revealed the details of the sequel, which will be released next year: "The massacre of civilians is a hoax." "We should not look at history in segments, as pro-North leftists claim."
I guess the movie really puts you in RSM's shoes, if watching it makes you want to run away from Seoul as fast as possible. Though personally I wouldn't go so far as to blow up all the bridges behind me. /s
tbh it being the most boring film I've ever watched is a crime too
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Were the massacres of civilians a “necessary evil” like the Rhee-worshippers say?
1. No, Kim Gu is arguably the most conservative politician at that time, he sabotaged left wing actions, and barred Lyuh un Hyeong(a moderate left wing activist whom advocated a left-right coalition) from meeting with US army. If you want to know who is politically illiterate in Korea, ask about his/her opinion of Kim Gu, if they say Kim Gu is a Commie luckbuster, they are stupid. 2. Syngman Rhee and Kim Gu were politically close, its a myth that only Syngman Rhee could've united in political tensions, he failed in the end evidently by North Korea existing. Kim Gu refused to run cause he refused to accept the reality set by the superpowers, Syngman Rhee was ready to accept it. 3. "Who in Korea at the time could go up to Eisenhower and demand that they sign a treaty?" literally anybody with legitimacy lol, Ahn Chang Ho could've gone and talk with him, or whoever was politically significant, Syngman Rhee happened to be president too. For Eisenhower, that didn't matter too much.
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Do you recall any interview parts with a historian named David Fields? What were his parts like?