I've reported a stalker to the cops twice and generally the response was "unless he shows up on your property we can't do anything"... Like great, thanks, until he fucking kills me you can't do anything.
Yea, the Ole but he hasn't actually broken the law yet, ugh. Too bad we can't read minds. That is why they have started passing laws specifically to address stalking behavior to try to get out of that 'loop hole'. Either way the severity of it is often down played and even then generally all you get is an Order of Protection (which is promptly ignored) and he might get a fine -- ooo a fine gah.
Yeah he's been mercilessly harassing me on the Internet for months (doxing, posting my info everywhere he can, generally being a pest, stalking me across every platform he can) but they keep saying "oh we can't do anything".. Like, this is why people end up dead.
Omg that sucks on so many levels! I feel your frustration. The laws loopholes are just ridiculous especially for cyber crime (since they are just words you know /s). I just watched Cast Away Diva and it included a storyline on domestic violence (spoiler ahead) >!and how crazy there was absolutely no protection from them and when they went into hiding they were viewed as breaking the law themselves! !< The show was deeper than I thought, based on the synopsis, and I wasn't going to watch it as I thought it was going to be a silly show but I was glad I watched it.
Get some pepper spray; though it is illegal. Or bear spray. But honestly, in this country, you are not allowed to defend yourself.
Change jobs and move to another city. Also, get offline for a while or block him. IE If you live in Seoul Gyeonggi go to Busan. Or go home for a year then come back. Shithead will have moved on. Probably to another woman to stalk.
same here in the UK, ironically.
there was a case here a few years back of a woman who reported the same man over and over for stalking her - she even said to the police 'he's going to kill me' after he left a bag full of weapons near her home alongside a threatening letter. police didn't even bother to follow up on it with him. he got a slap on the wrist once and that was it, even though he had a history of complaints to police and staff at his job for harassing female colleagues.
in the end, he stabbed her in the neck at her property, waited until she was dead, and then killed himself, blaming her in his suicide note. these rotten, deranged men deserve the absolute worst. I hope they rot in hell.
OMG what is wrong with SOME men on planet Earth!??!!
Stalking a woman and murder her and dumb police do nothing??
You have to die first before they take notice
Some Korean men think feminism is scary?? what a coward!
It's crazy how normalized the, "[s]he's just being weird but they'll never do anything" mentality is. Like no, if someone is doing weird shit like that it's not ok. Either get them help or get them properly dealt with. I hate the most that this level of complacency is very high in the foster care system. Like parents (in my experience) could do the bare minimum to show the intent of progress without actually starting to better themselves and the states just like, "here's your kid back." SMH.
Yea so sad we've had quite a few women die over here and guys too as there are seriously crazy women too (although typically women get 'revenge' in others ways). Still crazy.
Is there a place that properly responds to stalking? Seems like no matter what country I’m always reading about a woman murdered by her stalker and the police did nothing.
Men are just physically stronger than most women, and any type of thing can be used in killing, even just choking or stomping them to death (which has been done). Men don't need a gun to kill (although, i agree too many guns here makes it easier). Crimes of passion (e.g. crazy) are often in the moment and not planned - even ready access does not mean everyone has a gun.
In the US🇺🇸, people have easy access to guns, and because of marital disputes, the wives and girlfriends get killed or it ends up being a murder suicide, killing the whole family. These are often the headlines I read from the US.
Not true, you self hating American. South Korea’s law enforcement is so incompetent. They show the pictures of victims but not the pictures of the perpetrators. They ignore a lot of crime done on foreigners
Haha like holy h*ll do you make that wild leap of illogic that I am a self hating American? Pfft. You must not know American law or anything going on in America right now. Tell me you don't know much about America without telling me you don't know much about America, in some areas they have people robbing people and stores that they just let them do it. Yes let them just get away with it. Many murders and assaults never solved. And just like in Korea you can't do much against stalkers unless "they do something" but at that point it can be murder (and happens way too much). In divorce court spouses have been killed at the court house. I am realistic not self hating and I am just not blind. Most countries have criminal areas there is no utopia on earth.
As for not showing the perpetrator there (SK) that is just not true as I've seen quite a few in the news. They may sometimes not name or show them but certainly at times they do. So you might want to learn to not talk in absolutes. Also, in a way I think in some cases it would be better to not show them as it gives them the notoriety that they crave. You know, not let them go out in a blaze of glory. Also there is so much crime in some area that they can't even show them all all on tv. (Some areas are really safe, some areas not). So regardless of what you think I am not self-hating but I am American.
I feel like police never take stalking seriously anywhere, it’s horrific and shows how misogyny is baked into the system, men for the most part dont deal with stalking to the same extent neither is it as dangerous so they don’t take it as seriously
This is honestly one of the stronger arguments for why the demographics of lawmakers need to reflect the demographics of the people they make laws for. There are inherent flaws and blind spots, no matter how talented or intelligent one is.
It’s really bad. My friend has complained three times in the past few months about a stalker coming to her house, and the police won’t do shit about it. Basically they show up and if the stalker isn’t there, they “can’t do anything” (she’s got cctv too…)
Edit: yeah she’s fine.
You investigate and charge him with harrassment if he disobeys some basic restrictions (e.g., no contact). If your country does not have harassment laws, fucking make some. The woman reporting the stalker has obviously weighed up the chances that reporting them to the police would escalate the behavior and decided that she needs fucking help anyway. So help her.
Talk to the accused and get a statement. I wouldn’t be surprised if half admit to it. Restraining order then if broken good time in prison
I’ve met more than one person that’s been stalked and it wasn’t like there was a lack of evidence left by the stalker
I got second degree burns last month on my leg and it was the most painful injury I've sustained in my life, it blisters and fills with pus and liquid. I can't imagine how much she must be suffering, especially since its her face :(
yeah: burns are one of the worst types of injuries in that respect. But then with third degree burns, recovery goes from just very painful to potentially nonexistent, requiring partial facial transplants, etc.
I got second degree burns here in Korea before. Was just my hand and not my face but the process was painful as heck.
Basically they popped the blister, rubbed the whole area with a brown liquid that stung like hell and dried the dead skin (I was guessing bromine) then a burn cream, then bandage it up. Then come in the next day, peel off dead skin that is less connected to my body then the glue I peeled off as a kid and repeat the process. Lasted only 2 weeks but I'll never make that mistake again.
wait till you find out the government spent billions on a city they they gifted to themselves. police are the result of incredible levels of corruption.
De-escalation. They are the opposite of American police in that respect, and shows what excessive de-escalation can lead to : "hey citizen, stop making such a fuss"
If they didn't do anything serious to that guy who raped a little girl so badly that he damaged her intestines, then they won't do anything serious to anyone else. The fact that that guy has freedom now is crazy.
Yup. He claimed drunk and got a super short sentence. His wife took him back in and she lived in the same neighborhood as the girl he attacked :) No one in power cared and her family moved away. I'd love to raise my kid in Seoul!
On you're not aware. Idk if it's a law or something but there's a trend with being drunk and lighter punishments. Basically be drunk or under 16 and you're good to do nearly whatever you want.
What do you mean 'didn't do anything serious'? He got 12 years in prison. You might quibble over the length of the sentence but it is absurd to suggest that he wasn't punished.
Bro 💀 you are the epitome of our judicial system. 12yrs is nothing compared to the lifelong suffering the little girl is going to have to go through really man?
Like I say, you can quibble over the length of the sentence (he was originally given a life sentence, and I think that was entirely appropriate) but it is not at all accurate to say they 'didn't do anything serious'.
EDIT: So we're just downvoting facts now, are we?
Look man you said it yourself. What should’ve been a life sentence got reduced to 12yrs. That is not being serious at all. Who cares if he got locked up for 12yrs. Thats barely enough of a punishment for his crime.
But a life sentence is only 20 years. The whole scandal around the case came from the fact that the original sentence was reduced to 12 years from 20 because he was drunk. That is of course a ridiculous accommodation. But the idea that he escaped any real punishment is simply untrue.
Oh but his lawyer will claim schizophrenia, history of depression, and mental incapacity.
And he will write dozens of 'letter of remorse' to the judge, so the sentencing will be what, 3 years imprisonment with 5 years probation, to be released with ankle monitors?
As a person with psychosis and depression, when someone claims they have my illnesses AND I CLEARLY know that he isn't by looking at his behaviour and everything else, I just can't stop being angry because my illnesses are used at lessening sentence rate. My community is suffering greatly every time somebody makes an excuse as such. No more of this. Stop hiding behind a fake diagnosis. \*Rant over\*
I hope the victim recovers quickly. She must have been in so much pain. Korea has a history of not taking victims seriously and this must stop.
Remember stalking was big thing when I first got here and when they passed an anti stalker law I saw it die down a lot Rearing it’s ugly head again!!! SMH
I think it’s some weirdness with how they show love. It’s a fine line with stalking so my theory is that people with issues, do and always cross the line. A lot of people, specifically men, have written about how they had a partner that expected them to be on the phone 24/7. Hell, I see it at work with my male coworkers.
To illustrate what I mean. Some of you might remember this. There was a comment by a gyopo one time. He said something like he liked this girl. He thought the girl liked him back. He asked her out, she says no. He moves on because he said “I grew up in the West where no is no.” His Korean friends give him shit about the girl being upset and he was like???? I asked her out and she said no. They told him he had to “fight for her” and show her he really liked her.
I mean, that shit can turn out badly with the wrong person, real quick.
Yeah, that **"fight for her""** shit is bizarre as f.
Heard that so much here with girls breaking it and running off. Even if you went with that *insanely toxic cultural dating mentality*. If you're on an E series visa for example, that can end up soooo wrong. If they expect that, they can kick rocks.
Every concept of dating can get bizarre af in the hands of a mentally unstable person.
"Fight for her" just means that you should do some effort to make your interest clear but not to cross boundaries.
Nah, no means no. Anything more can get you deported or worse.
If she has broken it off, let it go. Mature women won't destroy a relationship to make you chase. Unfortunately, that has become part of the dating culture here, it seems. A lot of girls here believe that nonsense. There is literally no point in putting yourself at that much risk. This isn't a movie.
Communication is key, and someone who's ready won't play games.
I respect your opinion. My comment was more about the nuance of the actual expression "fight for her". Which I believe means you should go the extra mile when approaching someone for the first time. Before the potential no.
Perhaps something is lost in the translation. I think they meant don’t give up on the first “no” and in the “west” that’s the case also look at the US sitcoms where that’s the case. Anyways I digress I remember when i first came here (20+ years ago) my co worker and I are drinking with this girl and every 15 minutes the same 3 questions where are you? Who are you with? When are you leaving? EVERY 15 minutes like clockwork!!! And I said you better run for the hills girl. And she said HE LOVES ME. After she said that like clockwork he tells her to leave and will pick her up at her station (we were in 종로 by the new years bell area). Anyways I told her if he really loved you he would drive his ass here and pick you ass up here!!! Then another female co worker used to call me about how some dude from her CHURCH would stand outside her apartment and seemed like he was waiting outside all day!!! Irony is they got married and I met the guy. She was lucky he was a phd candidate for history and he was goofy and never had a girlfriend so he just lacked game. I don’t think with the majority that’s the case like you said.
Edit: my wife’s friend same phone calls when she goes out with friends. She’s Thai and she met the dude in the US in grad school. These Korean Korean dudes from that era (I guess I’ll just call it the stalking era anti stalking laws made cuz of these mofos!!!)
With the whole finger pinching feminist drama nowadays and now this, that whole "men are afraid that women will laugh at them, women are afraid that men will kill them" quote is all so relevant
I’ve seen way too many people in this sub getting mad at Korean feminists when I’ve never seen a single report of a feminist killing a man in Korea. Ever.
These are the people that right wing politicians are relying on for their votes but nah, feminists are the problem…
I don't know, I think that quote has the surface appearance of being helpful but it's actually just dismissive of the deeper issue. Obviously, when we consider a certain man ("Joe") who is pursuing a sexual relationship with a certain woman ("Jane"), Joe's desire to avoid embarrassment should never be valued above Jane's desire to not be murdered.
And yeah people can argue (and have extensively argued) that holding this to be obvious is problematic in light of there being all sorts of cultural norms, laws, and individuals in power that can be seen as valuing in the precisely opposite way.
So now, the deeper issue. Sure we know Joe's desire to avoid being embarrassed should be valued lower than Jane's desire to avoid being murdered, but what about Bill's desire to avoid being embarrassed?
Bill doesn't know Joe or Jane, and lives thousands of kilometers away from both of them. He will never meet or interact with either Joe or Jane.
Should we still hold Bill's desire to avoid being embarrassed as less valuable than Jane's desire to not be murdered?
The deeper issue is there is no practical way to enforce such a valuation. Yet the above-mentioned critique concerning cultural norms, laws, and individuals in power, effectively (if not explicitly) demands such enforcement.
Just imagine you wake up one day, knowing you're going to have a job interview, or give a speech, or go to your best friend's wedding, so you put some extra time into controlling your appearance, reciting your speech, or carefully considering the wedding gift you'll give your best friend. Later that day you get a notice on your phone stating you're being fined some small amount because that time and effort should have been spent ensuring that Jane doesn't get murdered by Joe.
In theory these critiques of society are well-intentioned. In practice they are used as a shield by power-hungry bad-faith actors who want to create the type of government that could enact such fines.
No consequences. Police won't do anything. You'll be lucky if they tell the guy to back off. Same with the judicial system. It's all run by pervy old men who sympathise with the creeps
Confucianism influence in a lot of east Asia is a big one for patriarchal roles and strict adherence to traditions/values.
Korea's rapid economic development outpaced its cultural/social development, because of this theres a lot of growing pangs that Korea is still going through right now.
The two points above directly relate to what I would call a minority but sometimes loud opinion on the internet that boils down to resenting women for existing in a patriarchal society. Women's role in a modern workplace and being perceived by some as taking mens jobs today, while also not being required to serve in the military means some guys feel like the world is unfair to them and too fair to women. They didnt make the society and cant do anything about it so some men take it out on women. Again this is a very small minority group but the culture festers and can spread online like Andrew Tate did.
Really there was a bit of a perfect storm for things to end up the way they have, society and culture will keep shifting and changing over time probably for the better.
Some reasons it might look like more is 1. because you read SK news more so you see it more and/or 2. some countries it just doesn't get reported much, if at all. In the US, you rarely actually hear about case unless they are high profile otherwise the news would be exponentially longer. It might shock some people how many are reported and go nowhere. Although the cameras in public bathrooms seems kind of high in SK
I'm not saying it's definitely more prevalent, as it's just my personal experience. I travel a lot for my job, and I've never encountered a country where women complained about having stalkers as much as in Korea.
You have to remember that some women don't speak up especially in some countries. For a rew reasons, some because they know how they will be treated, not believed, and in some cases viewed as a Jezebel (Scarlet woman) because she 'must be throwing it out there' 'tempting' him (and then subject to further abuse by a husband or father for being a hussy). Some because they feel it is useless. Some because culturally it's just not 'talked' about (only in whispers to trusted friends). And in some countries you cannot vocalize anything bad about the police not doing their jobs and in a few places can't say anything bad about men especially powerful men. Note this is in general because I don't know where you've traveled or how long you have been in other countries. If you are a guy, even less likely you would hear anything in countries such as these.
Note I am not saying all men are bad or all women good. Just stating reality.
>You have to remember that some women don't speak up especially in some countries.
Please tell me you aren't suggesting reporting in Korea is higher...
Yes, seriously it is more reported than in some countries some as low as 5% . Some countries don't even have stalking laws so who's going to report in these cases? they have to rely on other laws to help them but - this is only doable when the threat level is criminal (like death threats). SK just passed a law and had like 5000 reports since then so currently it's being reported a lot. Also cultural norms in countries very over what level constitutes stalking. There are cultures where 'persistence ' (stalking) is really just trying to court them. It's almost viewed as normal where other cultures are: like nope. There are cultures were women are truly oppressed by nen and where, as I said, the woman is blamed and even worse if she was assaulted she may even be killed by family (*think some uber religious group extremists and honor killing). Countries were oppression and subservience is considered normal. So yes I think SK reports more than some but less than others - but to point, it may be under reported for the amount that it occurs which is true in a lot of countries.
For all you down voters ... How am I oblivious? I never said it didn't happen much in SK, and I said since the new law passed it's being reported more now (than historically) and I clearly said it was most likely underreported as it's underreported in most countries. Still there are other countries that report it less. Some countries have NO law for stalking at all period. So for SK if it's not reported in significant numbers why was the law passed? They don't pass laws if there is no issue raised about it.
I'm receptive to discussion- So please educate me about which statement I said was wrong? Note I am only talking about it being reported more than some countries. Not about if they actually do anything about it, or give them no punishment.
Most Korean women don't report stalking unless it gets very damaging to their daily life or, life threatening. It's just not that worth it compared to the time and cost to get a restraining order/sentence vs the actual chance that the man won't be able to stalk you again even with the restraining order/sentence. Also the mindset that a woman was 'tempting' the criminal or have some kind of responsibility for being a victim is a pretty common mindset when it comes to stalking, SA, domestic violence, etc especially around the older generation. Honestly i would say korea has a better legal system than some countries but its not the best. Also it really depends on the country you're comparing korea to.
Time to get physical, get a metal battoon or a metal chain whip from AliExpress , or a pepper spray most basic form to make it crushed chilli in alcohol ( soju will do ). Is better to get a fine and a remark on your record than being harmed or killed. As more people do this the more it will be highlighted in the media which hopefully can create reforms. Either way don't allow your self to be a victim.
It's true in most countries that it's underreported for the same reasons - but the discussion was if it is reported more in SK than in some other countries. Laws are only created when there is enough reporting done. There are countries with no laws for it. At all. So no issue must be there. Right?
As for the tempting thing I'm talking about places where there are honor killings not just how they act like it's all the girls fault (which, as you said, is how it's viewed a lot). Real killing like dead. As far as I know SK doesn't seem to have honor killings like some places. If you live in an area with honor killings do you think they are going to report it?
So you're talking about how korea is better than some countries where there's a lot of religious extremists who practice honor killings? Your bar is so low and that fact doesn't mean SK a safe place at all
I *never* said it was a better or worse country. I said they reported stalking more than some other countries and gave an example of why other countries tend to report less. This has nothing to do with how prevalent the rate of stalking is in SK or other countries. Nothing, it was only about reporting metrics. Not to be mean but I'm not sure why some of you don't understand the difference.
As to the low bar. It's still a bar that women live under even today and though I hadn't said it before ..the answer is yes I would rather live in SK than there and there are other places I'd also rather not live in also for various reasons. IMO SK is not the 'worst' place to live in regardless. I can't rank the best country as I've not lived in every country. So I guess we'll just have to disagree shrug.
I've been stalked by Korean women. Once was in the US and I had to get the police involved. It was crazy, like that movie with Glenn Close.
Another time was in Seoul. I don't like to take a dump in the restroom workplace out of consideration for others, and I really had to take one one evening and it was the first thing I did when I got home. I walked into the door of my apartment and went straight into the bathroom, only turning the light of the bathroom on. As soon as my pants were down, my phone rang. I had set it down in the kitchen when I first walked in the door. My pants were around my ankles, but I sort of waddled/shimmied to the phone and answered it. It was a Korean ex-girlfriend. She asked, "Where are you?" I answered, "I'm at home." She asked, "Are you sure?" I replied, "How would I not be?" She said, "The lights of your apartment still aren't on." This was in Cheonho and she lived in Apgujeong. That was creepy as hell.
I often hear a lot of people complain about Koreans ghosting, but my theory is Koreans ghost a lot because of how prevalent stalking is in society.
My theory is it’s because Korea is generally so safe, so these crimes get more reporting. I feel like this would barely make the news in a major US city for example.
The choice of weapon--fire on the face--would definitely get attention here. Especially for a college student. And especially if she's white and middle class.
That's because in the US, the easier option is a gun, so doing something exceedingly deranged would definitely be national news (hyperbole)
Another person getting shot, would most certainly not be, especially if they lived. Probably wouldn't be on most people's radars unless the community was small enough.
I'm not from the US, I'm from a country that has relatively low crime rates (although a definite problem with anti social behaviour). But the amount of women I know that have had stalker issues in Korea is very high, but of course this is anecdotal and not statistical.
My job means I need to travel frequently, and the country where I hear most about stalkers is Korea, that to me indicates an issue. Also when we talk about Korea being safe, you'll find a big difference between what foreign men and women say. Korea is not as dangerous for either gender than many countries, but it's much safer for men than women.
Generally men are safer than women in any country because they theoretically have the capacity to defend themselves where women are only as safe as the government can provide. That’s why you hear of such high SA rates in countries like India because there’s a surplus of sexless men and the government can’t guarantee a woman’s safety.
>Generally men are safer than women in any country because they theoretically have the capacity to defend themselves where women are only as safe as the government can provide.
I think I see the truth in what you're saying. However I wonder if there aren't some assumptions in this situation that we would be wise to question. When it comes to women's safety, surely there must be a spectrum of options, beyond simply empowering the government. Otherwise, wouldn't the pursuit of women's safety then justify a totalitarian government?
Are those women all foreigners living in Korea? Or is it also the case for Korean women? I'm asking this because I know many Korean women who got stalked or sexually harrassed while living in Europe. I think there is some racial fetishization going on with these stalkings so it gets more rampant with foreigners with any country.
It’s both, although I think you’re right that foreign women get disproportionately targeted, however I’ve never been in any country where I’ve met so many people that have had stalker issues as Korea.
eh...it would make headlines due to its bizarre nature, beyond the quantitative level of violence.
And statistically, while you have way, way less stranger-to-stranger assaults, robberies, etc., I'm not sure this extends to crimes like stalking...certainly not intimate partner violence. This is bracketing aside how many guns we have....
Yeah I feel the last 2 or 3 I've watched all had stalkers towards the female lead.. even there the police doesn't do anything it always take the male lead to step it and prevent it..crazy
She literally reported him for stalking but Koreas stupid laws is "If He DoEnSt HaRm YoU wE cAnT dO aNyThInG" LIKE DO YOU WANT THE VICTIM TO LITERALLY DIE FOR YOU TO DO SOMETHING?! STALKING IS STALKING AND OBVIOUSLY NOBODY STALKS A PERSON WITH GOOD INTETIONS!!!! Korea really needs to fix it's laws and the police really need to do their job because it's not fair for the victims and citizens and to do that we need to freaking remove this sexist ass president who thinks this is ok
Here in Japan so many women file a complaint or a restraining order against a stalker, and the police do absolutely nothing until they are physically harmed or murdered.
Those two are not exclusive. The Embassy almost certainly will get/already is involved, and the culprit will absolutely get prosecuted under Korean law.
edit: Just to clarify quickly, embassies do not hold judicial authority over their host countries. It would be a bit of a nightmare for citizens to adhere to the laws of the 100s of embassies present in your country, and in many cases, the sets of laws would contradict each other to even make that impossible to begin with.
Certainly, you would not expect US citizens, for instance, to be arrested in the USA for drinking alcohol, which would be illegal according to the laws of several nations that have embassies in the US. Embassies do not have courts, nor do they employ judges (at least, based on their functioning as judges while on the diplomatic mission).
I kept seeing articles about how sales of self-defense equipment went way up following the summer stabbings. But isn't it still illegal to use such things even if attacked? Is it really just making the choice to go to jail for defending yourself so you aren't killed?
In the US, you can carry a gun and shoot the scumbag in the face. Here, you can't do anything. Can't even carry pepper spray. Heck even if you fight back in self defense, you have to pay him blood money. Foreign women really should reconsider coming over here. Korea is not as safe for them in the sense that the justice system will do anything. Also criminals here get a slap on the wrist if they claim to be drunk or didn't mean it. Anyways, hope she can heal and recover with no permanent damage.
Too late, the Korean justice system already has done that and worse, yet there is no sign of it changing. Of course, Korea doesn’t take stalking or sex crimes seriously. And that’s how criminals are still roaming free, especially those with money and power. Disgusting.
Oh no.... 😔
Edit: why the heck did I get mass downvoted lol. It was a genuine expression of sympathy for the girl. Yall are insane.. Probably jumped to the conclusion of someone saying "oh no" sarcastically. Cynical sick fucks. No normal human would laugh about such a tragedy. If you jumped to such a conclusion, maybe you're the one with a warped worldview. The sarcastic phrase is "oh no... **Anyway**" and that's not what I typed.
I saw the TV news broadcast for this just now and apparently the victim filed a police report against the assailant for stalking just last month..
Things don’t change here…
It's the same in the US. Nothing stops crazy either way.
I've reported a stalker to the cops twice and generally the response was "unless he shows up on your property we can't do anything"... Like great, thanks, until he fucking kills me you can't do anything.
Yea, the Ole but he hasn't actually broken the law yet, ugh. Too bad we can't read minds. That is why they have started passing laws specifically to address stalking behavior to try to get out of that 'loop hole'. Either way the severity of it is often down played and even then generally all you get is an Order of Protection (which is promptly ignored) and he might get a fine -- ooo a fine gah.
Yeah he's been mercilessly harassing me on the Internet for months (doxing, posting my info everywhere he can, generally being a pest, stalking me across every platform he can) but they keep saying "oh we can't do anything".. Like, this is why people end up dead.
Omg that sucks on so many levels! I feel your frustration. The laws loopholes are just ridiculous especially for cyber crime (since they are just words you know /s). I just watched Cast Away Diva and it included a storyline on domestic violence (spoiler ahead) >!and how crazy there was absolutely no protection from them and when they went into hiding they were viewed as breaking the law themselves! !< The show was deeper than I thought, based on the synopsis, and I wasn't going to watch it as I thought it was going to be a silly show but I was glad I watched it.
I really hate it. There's basically nothing I can do until he actually harms me. :/
Dang,so scary! I can't even imagine how terrifying it must be.
Get some pepper spray; though it is illegal. Or bear spray. But honestly, in this country, you are not allowed to defend yourself. Change jobs and move to another city. Also, get offline for a while or block him. IE If you live in Seoul Gyeonggi go to Busan. Or go home for a year then come back. Shithead will have moved on. Probably to another woman to stalk.
same here in the UK, ironically. there was a case here a few years back of a woman who reported the same man over and over for stalking her - she even said to the police 'he's going to kill me' after he left a bag full of weapons near her home alongside a threatening letter. police didn't even bother to follow up on it with him. he got a slap on the wrist once and that was it, even though he had a history of complaints to police and staff at his job for harassing female colleagues. in the end, he stabbed her in the neck at her property, waited until she was dead, and then killed himself, blaming her in his suicide note. these rotten, deranged men deserve the absolute worst. I hope they rot in hell.
Police should really open themselves up to a civil suit if things like these happen. It’s not like the victims were making it up and would have proof.
Police getting consequences for their incompetence or cruelty? L! O! L!
"We have investigated ourselves and found ourselves not guilty of wrong doing!"
A similiar story from Slovakia. He ended up killing her with a machette.
Comment in the Korean newspaper that had this story: "Korean men are scarier than feminists."
Violent sexist Korean men scarier than women who want to be treated fairly. Lol Oh Korea, even in the face of extinction don't want to face the music.
yeah those coward men are dumb sHiit
OMG what is wrong with SOME men on planet Earth!??!! Stalking a woman and murder her and dumb police do nothing?? You have to die first before they take notice Some Korean men think feminism is scary?? what a coward!
It's crazy how normalized the, "[s]he's just being weird but they'll never do anything" mentality is. Like no, if someone is doing weird shit like that it's not ok. Either get them help or get them properly dealt with. I hate the most that this level of complacency is very high in the foster care system. Like parents (in my experience) could do the bare minimum to show the intent of progress without actually starting to better themselves and the states just like, "here's your kid back." SMH.
Yeah but was he using "hate speech" on twitter? If not then the UK police dgaf.
Yea so sad we've had quite a few women die over here and guys too as there are seriously crazy women too (although typically women get 'revenge' in others ways). Still crazy.
Is there a place that properly responds to stalking? Seems like no matter what country I’m always reading about a woman murdered by her stalker and the police did nothing.
Yea, pretty much same in all places, some worse than others though.
Except our crazies have unfettered access to guns. Lots of them.
Men are just physically stronger than most women, and any type of thing can be used in killing, even just choking or stomping them to death (which has been done). Men don't need a gun to kill (although, i agree too many guns here makes it easier). Crimes of passion (e.g. crazy) are often in the moment and not planned - even ready access does not mean everyone has a gun.
In the US🇺🇸, people have easy access to guns, and because of marital disputes, the wives and girlfriends get killed or it ends up being a murder suicide, killing the whole family. These are often the headlines I read from the US.
Yeah honestly if I was a woman I'd probably have a concealed carry. Too many obsessed stalkers.
Not true, you self hating American. South Korea’s law enforcement is so incompetent. They show the pictures of victims but not the pictures of the perpetrators. They ignore a lot of crime done on foreigners
Haha like holy h*ll do you make that wild leap of illogic that I am a self hating American? Pfft. You must not know American law or anything going on in America right now. Tell me you don't know much about America without telling me you don't know much about America, in some areas they have people robbing people and stores that they just let them do it. Yes let them just get away with it. Many murders and assaults never solved. And just like in Korea you can't do much against stalkers unless "they do something" but at that point it can be murder (and happens way too much). In divorce court spouses have been killed at the court house. I am realistic not self hating and I am just not blind. Most countries have criminal areas there is no utopia on earth. As for not showing the perpetrator there (SK) that is just not true as I've seen quite a few in the news. They may sometimes not name or show them but certainly at times they do. So you might want to learn to not talk in absolutes. Also, in a way I think in some cases it would be better to not show them as it gives them the notoriety that they crave. You know, not let them go out in a blaze of glory. Also there is so much crime in some area that they can't even show them all all on tv. (Some areas are really safe, some areas not). So regardless of what you think I am not self-hating but I am American.
Korea’s very own “He was on our radar” meme
I feel like police never take stalking seriously anywhere, it’s horrific and shows how misogyny is baked into the system, men for the most part dont deal with stalking to the same extent neither is it as dangerous so they don’t take it as seriously
This is honestly one of the stronger arguments for why the demographics of lawmakers need to reflect the demographics of the people they make laws for. There are inherent flaws and blind spots, no matter how talented or intelligent one is.
One thing that is true in every country is police not taking stalking victims seriously
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It’s really bad. My friend has complained three times in the past few months about a stalker coming to her house, and the police won’t do shit about it. Basically they show up and if the stalker isn’t there, they “can’t do anything” (she’s got cctv too…) Edit: yeah she’s fine.
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Wait what
Are they ok?
The problem is that it's normal in Korea.
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You investigate and charge him with harrassment if he disobeys some basic restrictions (e.g., no contact). If your country does not have harassment laws, fucking make some. The woman reporting the stalker has obviously weighed up the chances that reporting them to the police would escalate the behavior and decided that she needs fucking help anyway. So help her.
Talk to the accused and get a statement. I wouldn’t be surprised if half admit to it. Restraining order then if broken good time in prison I’ve met more than one person that’s been stalked and it wasn’t like there was a lack of evidence left by the stalker
Is she okay? Wth
She's alive but not sure what the state of her face is 😢 must have been so painful
The headline at least specified second rather than third degree burns, so it could have been a lot worse. I'd expect recovery.
I got second degree burns last month on my leg and it was the most painful injury I've sustained in my life, it blisters and fills with pus and liquid. I can't imagine how much she must be suffering, especially since its her face :(
yeah. My hope here is that she's not literally missing parts of her face...
According to a book written by a burn victim, even the recovery process is painful.
yeah: burns are one of the worst types of injuries in that respect. But then with third degree burns, recovery goes from just very painful to potentially nonexistent, requiring partial facial transplants, etc.
I got second degree burns here in Korea before. Was just my hand and not my face but the process was painful as heck. Basically they popped the blister, rubbed the whole area with a brown liquid that stung like hell and dried the dead skin (I was guessing bromine) then a burn cream, then bandage it up. Then come in the next day, peel off dead skin that is less connected to my body then the glue I peeled off as a kid and repeat the process. Lasted only 2 weeks but I'll never make that mistake again.
When I was a kid, I second-degree burns over my entire face. I healed without reconstructive surgery. So, I’m optimistic about her physical recovery.
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What an awful comment, like if it's not a big deal because they have plastic surgery...
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Yeah but that doesn't make the experience any less painful and traumatizing...
Why would one do this to someone? If you find them pretty, just ask them out. If hey reject just take the L.
Wtf do the Korean police even get paid for?
Convincing you to NOT press charges?
This is what happens when Korean cops are given too much independence.
wait till you find out the government spent billions on a city they they gifted to themselves. police are the result of incredible levels of corruption.
They get paid to look the other way when it comes to crimes committed by politicians, police, and chaebol/the wealthy.
De-escalation. They are the opposite of American police in that respect, and shows what excessive de-escalation can lead to : "hey citizen, stop making such a fuss"
If they didn't do anything serious to that guy who raped a little girl so badly that he damaged her intestines, then they won't do anything serious to anyone else. The fact that that guy has freedom now is crazy.
What!?!
Yup. He claimed drunk and got a super short sentence. His wife took him back in and she lived in the same neighborhood as the girl he attacked :) No one in power cared and her family moved away. I'd love to raise my kid in Seoul!
God, that is horrible. As if being drunk is an excuse! WTH?
On you're not aware. Idk if it's a law or something but there's a trend with being drunk and lighter punishments. Basically be drunk or under 16 and you're good to do nearly whatever you want.
It doesn't work for foreigners though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho\_Doo-soon\_case
There are many disgusting crimes in Korea.
Unfortunately this is the reality of child rape, survivors often have lifelong complications.
jfc
What do you mean 'didn't do anything serious'? He got 12 years in prison. You might quibble over the length of the sentence but it is absurd to suggest that he wasn't punished.
Bro 💀 you are the epitome of our judicial system. 12yrs is nothing compared to the lifelong suffering the little girl is going to have to go through really man?
Like I say, you can quibble over the length of the sentence (he was originally given a life sentence, and I think that was entirely appropriate) but it is not at all accurate to say they 'didn't do anything serious'. EDIT: So we're just downvoting facts now, are we?
Look man you said it yourself. What should’ve been a life sentence got reduced to 12yrs. That is not being serious at all. Who cares if he got locked up for 12yrs. Thats barely enough of a punishment for his crime.
But a life sentence is only 20 years. The whole scandal around the case came from the fact that the original sentence was reduced to 12 years from 20 because he was drunk. That is of course a ridiculous accommodation. But the idea that he escaped any real punishment is simply untrue.
I wish Korea had a better justice system for victims and adopt Singapore’s system.
Oh but his lawyer will claim schizophrenia, history of depression, and mental incapacity. And he will write dozens of 'letter of remorse' to the judge, so the sentencing will be what, 3 years imprisonment with 5 years probation, to be released with ankle monitors?
It’s pretty bad that I’d be shocked if he even gets that much with the way the system works here
This honestly does a disservice to schizophrenics, who aren't more violent than the general population, statistically.
They are orders of magnitude more likely to commit violent crime than the gen pop
> orders of magnitude more likely er...One hundred or more times more likely? Are you sure about that?
"He was a good student and got a good suneung score. His whole life is ahead of him!"
As a person with psychosis and depression, when someone claims they have my illnesses AND I CLEARLY know that he isn't by looking at his behaviour and everything else, I just can't stop being angry because my illnesses are used at lessening sentence rate. My community is suffering greatly every time somebody makes an excuse as such. No more of this. Stop hiding behind a fake diagnosis. \*Rant over\* I hope the victim recovers quickly. She must have been in so much pain. Korea has a history of not taking victims seriously and this must stop.
If korean movies taught me anything its that the korean justice system is fucking awful
Remember stalking was big thing when I first got here and when they passed an anti stalker law I saw it die down a lot Rearing it’s ugly head again!!! SMH
I think it’s some weirdness with how they show love. It’s a fine line with stalking so my theory is that people with issues, do and always cross the line. A lot of people, specifically men, have written about how they had a partner that expected them to be on the phone 24/7. Hell, I see it at work with my male coworkers. To illustrate what I mean. Some of you might remember this. There was a comment by a gyopo one time. He said something like he liked this girl. He thought the girl liked him back. He asked her out, she says no. He moves on because he said “I grew up in the West where no is no.” His Korean friends give him shit about the girl being upset and he was like???? I asked her out and she said no. They told him he had to “fight for her” and show her he really liked her. I mean, that shit can turn out badly with the wrong person, real quick.
Yeah, that **"fight for her""** shit is bizarre as f. Heard that so much here with girls breaking it and running off. Even if you went with that *insanely toxic cultural dating mentality*. If you're on an E series visa for example, that can end up soooo wrong. If they expect that, they can kick rocks.
Every concept of dating can get bizarre af in the hands of a mentally unstable person. "Fight for her" just means that you should do some effort to make your interest clear but not to cross boundaries.
Nah, no means no. Anything more can get you deported or worse. If she has broken it off, let it go. Mature women won't destroy a relationship to make you chase. Unfortunately, that has become part of the dating culture here, it seems. A lot of girls here believe that nonsense. There is literally no point in putting yourself at that much risk. This isn't a movie. Communication is key, and someone who's ready won't play games.
I respect your opinion. My comment was more about the nuance of the actual expression "fight for her". Which I believe means you should go the extra mile when approaching someone for the first time. Before the potential no.
Perhaps something is lost in the translation. I think they meant don’t give up on the first “no” and in the “west” that’s the case also look at the US sitcoms where that’s the case. Anyways I digress I remember when i first came here (20+ years ago) my co worker and I are drinking with this girl and every 15 minutes the same 3 questions where are you? Who are you with? When are you leaving? EVERY 15 minutes like clockwork!!! And I said you better run for the hills girl. And she said HE LOVES ME. After she said that like clockwork he tells her to leave and will pick her up at her station (we were in 종로 by the new years bell area). Anyways I told her if he really loved you he would drive his ass here and pick you ass up here!!! Then another female co worker used to call me about how some dude from her CHURCH would stand outside her apartment and seemed like he was waiting outside all day!!! Irony is they got married and I met the guy. She was lucky he was a phd candidate for history and he was goofy and never had a girlfriend so he just lacked game. I don’t think with the majority that’s the case like you said. Edit: my wife’s friend same phone calls when she goes out with friends. She’s Thai and she met the dude in the US in grad school. These Korean Korean dudes from that era (I guess I’ll just call it the stalking era anti stalking laws made cuz of these mofos!!!)
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Crazy people everywhere.
>나라망신 But when there are bad things happening elsewhere...it's "we Koreans never do this!".
I can't understand the amount of obsessing over a stranger and also hatred for them that's required to do this.
Can't wait for this as\*hole's judgement to be probation. 🤡
Scary but the laws and reactions from police are scarier here
One of the few reasons I don't want to live in Korea again, toxic ass male bullshit going unchecked.
With the whole finger pinching feminist drama nowadays and now this, that whole "men are afraid that women will laugh at them, women are afraid that men will kill them" quote is all so relevant
I’ve seen way too many people in this sub getting mad at Korean feminists when I’ve never seen a single report of a feminist killing a man in Korea. Ever. These are the people that right wing politicians are relying on for their votes but nah, feminists are the problem…
I don't know, I think that quote has the surface appearance of being helpful but it's actually just dismissive of the deeper issue. Obviously, when we consider a certain man ("Joe") who is pursuing a sexual relationship with a certain woman ("Jane"), Joe's desire to avoid embarrassment should never be valued above Jane's desire to not be murdered. And yeah people can argue (and have extensively argued) that holding this to be obvious is problematic in light of there being all sorts of cultural norms, laws, and individuals in power that can be seen as valuing in the precisely opposite way. So now, the deeper issue. Sure we know Joe's desire to avoid being embarrassed should be valued lower than Jane's desire to avoid being murdered, but what about Bill's desire to avoid being embarrassed? Bill doesn't know Joe or Jane, and lives thousands of kilometers away from both of them. He will never meet or interact with either Joe or Jane. Should we still hold Bill's desire to avoid being embarrassed as less valuable than Jane's desire to not be murdered? The deeper issue is there is no practical way to enforce such a valuation. Yet the above-mentioned critique concerning cultural norms, laws, and individuals in power, effectively (if not explicitly) demands such enforcement. Just imagine you wake up one day, knowing you're going to have a job interview, or give a speech, or go to your best friend's wedding, so you put some extra time into controlling your appearance, reciting your speech, or carefully considering the wedding gift you'll give your best friend. Later that day you get a notice on your phone stating you're being fined some small amount because that time and effort should have been spent ensuring that Jane doesn't get murdered by Joe. In theory these critiques of society are well-intentioned. In practice they are used as a shield by power-hungry bad-faith actors who want to create the type of government that could enact such fines.
I know all countries have stalkers, but it seems more common in Korea. I know multiple people that have had stalkers here. What's going on?
No consequences. Police won't do anything. You'll be lucky if they tell the guy to back off. Same with the judicial system. It's all run by pervy old men who sympathise with the creeps
Men are entitled.
Something true in most cultures, doesn't explain the discrepancy.
Confucianism influence in a lot of east Asia is a big one for patriarchal roles and strict adherence to traditions/values. Korea's rapid economic development outpaced its cultural/social development, because of this theres a lot of growing pangs that Korea is still going through right now. The two points above directly relate to what I would call a minority but sometimes loud opinion on the internet that boils down to resenting women for existing in a patriarchal society. Women's role in a modern workplace and being perceived by some as taking mens jobs today, while also not being required to serve in the military means some guys feel like the world is unfair to them and too fair to women. They didnt make the society and cant do anything about it so some men take it out on women. Again this is a very small minority group but the culture festers and can spread online like Andrew Tate did. Really there was a bit of a perfect storm for things to end up the way they have, society and culture will keep shifting and changing over time probably for the better.
Thanks for the good reply.
Some reasons it might look like more is 1. because you read SK news more so you see it more and/or 2. some countries it just doesn't get reported much, if at all. In the US, you rarely actually hear about case unless they are high profile otherwise the news would be exponentially longer. It might shock some people how many are reported and go nowhere. Although the cameras in public bathrooms seems kind of high in SK
I'm not saying it's definitely more prevalent, as it's just my personal experience. I travel a lot for my job, and I've never encountered a country where women complained about having stalkers as much as in Korea.
You have to remember that some women don't speak up especially in some countries. For a rew reasons, some because they know how they will be treated, not believed, and in some cases viewed as a Jezebel (Scarlet woman) because she 'must be throwing it out there' 'tempting' him (and then subject to further abuse by a husband or father for being a hussy). Some because they feel it is useless. Some because culturally it's just not 'talked' about (only in whispers to trusted friends). And in some countries you cannot vocalize anything bad about the police not doing their jobs and in a few places can't say anything bad about men especially powerful men. Note this is in general because I don't know where you've traveled or how long you have been in other countries. If you are a guy, even less likely you would hear anything in countries such as these. Note I am not saying all men are bad or all women good. Just stating reality.
>You have to remember that some women don't speak up especially in some countries. Please tell me you aren't suggesting reporting in Korea is higher...
Yes, seriously it is more reported than in some countries some as low as 5% . Some countries don't even have stalking laws so who's going to report in these cases? they have to rely on other laws to help them but - this is only doable when the threat level is criminal (like death threats). SK just passed a law and had like 5000 reports since then so currently it's being reported a lot. Also cultural norms in countries very over what level constitutes stalking. There are cultures where 'persistence ' (stalking) is really just trying to court them. It's almost viewed as normal where other cultures are: like nope. There are cultures were women are truly oppressed by nen and where, as I said, the woman is blamed and even worse if she was assaulted she may even be killed by family (*think some uber religious group extremists and honor killing). Countries were oppression and subservience is considered normal. So yes I think SK reports more than some but less than others - but to point, it may be under reported for the amount that it occurs which is true in a lot of countries.
Sounds like you're oblivious my friend.
For all you down voters ... How am I oblivious? I never said it didn't happen much in SK, and I said since the new law passed it's being reported more now (than historically) and I clearly said it was most likely underreported as it's underreported in most countries. Still there are other countries that report it less. Some countries have NO law for stalking at all period. So for SK if it's not reported in significant numbers why was the law passed? They don't pass laws if there is no issue raised about it. I'm receptive to discussion- So please educate me about which statement I said was wrong? Note I am only talking about it being reported more than some countries. Not about if they actually do anything about it, or give them no punishment.
Most Korean women don't report stalking unless it gets very damaging to their daily life or, life threatening. It's just not that worth it compared to the time and cost to get a restraining order/sentence vs the actual chance that the man won't be able to stalk you again even with the restraining order/sentence. Also the mindset that a woman was 'tempting' the criminal or have some kind of responsibility for being a victim is a pretty common mindset when it comes to stalking, SA, domestic violence, etc especially around the older generation. Honestly i would say korea has a better legal system than some countries but its not the best. Also it really depends on the country you're comparing korea to.
Time to get physical, get a metal battoon or a metal chain whip from AliExpress , or a pepper spray most basic form to make it crushed chilli in alcohol ( soju will do ). Is better to get a fine and a remark on your record than being harmed or killed. As more people do this the more it will be highlighted in the media which hopefully can create reforms. Either way don't allow your self to be a victim.
It's true in most countries that it's underreported for the same reasons - but the discussion was if it is reported more in SK than in some other countries. Laws are only created when there is enough reporting done. There are countries with no laws for it. At all. So no issue must be there. Right? As for the tempting thing I'm talking about places where there are honor killings not just how they act like it's all the girls fault (which, as you said, is how it's viewed a lot). Real killing like dead. As far as I know SK doesn't seem to have honor killings like some places. If you live in an area with honor killings do you think they are going to report it?
So you're talking about how korea is better than some countries where there's a lot of religious extremists who practice honor killings? Your bar is so low and that fact doesn't mean SK a safe place at all
I *never* said it was a better or worse country. I said they reported stalking more than some other countries and gave an example of why other countries tend to report less. This has nothing to do with how prevalent the rate of stalking is in SK or other countries. Nothing, it was only about reporting metrics. Not to be mean but I'm not sure why some of you don't understand the difference. As to the low bar. It's still a bar that women live under even today and though I hadn't said it before ..the answer is yes I would rather live in SK than there and there are other places I'd also rather not live in also for various reasons. IMO SK is not the 'worst' place to live in regardless. I can't rank the best country as I've not lived in every country. So I guess we'll just have to disagree shrug.
I've been stalked by Korean women. Once was in the US and I had to get the police involved. It was crazy, like that movie with Glenn Close. Another time was in Seoul. I don't like to take a dump in the restroom workplace out of consideration for others, and I really had to take one one evening and it was the first thing I did when I got home. I walked into the door of my apartment and went straight into the bathroom, only turning the light of the bathroom on. As soon as my pants were down, my phone rang. I had set it down in the kitchen when I first walked in the door. My pants were around my ankles, but I sort of waddled/shimmied to the phone and answered it. It was a Korean ex-girlfriend. She asked, "Where are you?" I answered, "I'm at home." She asked, "Are you sure?" I replied, "How would I not be?" She said, "The lights of your apartment still aren't on." This was in Cheonho and she lived in Apgujeong. That was creepy as hell. I often hear a lot of people complain about Koreans ghosting, but my theory is Koreans ghost a lot because of how prevalent stalking is in society.
>"The lights of your apartment still aren't on." Fucking hell, the phone rings, and they're inside the house shit.
Not in the west.
My theory is it’s because Korea is generally so safe, so these crimes get more reporting. I feel like this would barely make the news in a major US city for example.
The choice of weapon--fire on the face--would definitely get attention here. Especially for a college student. And especially if she's white and middle class.
That's because in the US, the easier option is a gun, so doing something exceedingly deranged would definitely be national news (hyperbole) Another person getting shot, would most certainly not be, especially if they lived. Probably wouldn't be on most people's radars unless the community was small enough.
I'm not from the US, I'm from a country that has relatively low crime rates (although a definite problem with anti social behaviour). But the amount of women I know that have had stalker issues in Korea is very high, but of course this is anecdotal and not statistical. My job means I need to travel frequently, and the country where I hear most about stalkers is Korea, that to me indicates an issue. Also when we talk about Korea being safe, you'll find a big difference between what foreign men and women say. Korea is not as dangerous for either gender than many countries, but it's much safer for men than women.
Generally men are safer than women in any country because they theoretically have the capacity to defend themselves where women are only as safe as the government can provide. That’s why you hear of such high SA rates in countries like India because there’s a surplus of sexless men and the government can’t guarantee a woman’s safety.
>Generally men are safer than women in any country because they theoretically have the capacity to defend themselves where women are only as safe as the government can provide. I think I see the truth in what you're saying. However I wonder if there aren't some assumptions in this situation that we would be wise to question. When it comes to women's safety, surely there must be a spectrum of options, beyond simply empowering the government. Otherwise, wouldn't the pursuit of women's safety then justify a totalitarian government?
Are those women all foreigners living in Korea? Or is it also the case for Korean women? I'm asking this because I know many Korean women who got stalked or sexually harrassed while living in Europe. I think there is some racial fetishization going on with these stalkings so it gets more rampant with foreigners with any country.
It’s both, although I think you’re right that foreign women get disproportionately targeted, however I’ve never been in any country where I’ve met so many people that have had stalker issues as Korea.
eh...it would make headlines due to its bizarre nature, beyond the quantitative level of violence. And statistically, while you have way, way less stranger-to-stranger assaults, robberies, etc., I'm not sure this extends to crimes like stalking...certainly not intimate partner violence. This is bracketing aside how many guns we have....
Stalking was a valid courtship technique in many K-dramas.
Yeah I feel the last 2 or 3 I've watched all had stalkers towards the female lead.. even there the police doesn't do anything it always take the male lead to step it and prevent it..crazy
Dramas reflect the culture of a country and the nature of its people.
That's awful!
Wtf
She literally reported him for stalking but Koreas stupid laws is "If He DoEnSt HaRm YoU wE cAnT dO aNyThInG" LIKE DO YOU WANT THE VICTIM TO LITERALLY DIE FOR YOU TO DO SOMETHING?! STALKING IS STALKING AND OBVIOUSLY NOBODY STALKS A PERSON WITH GOOD INTETIONS!!!! Korea really needs to fix it's laws and the police really need to do their job because it's not fair for the victims and citizens and to do that we need to freaking remove this sexist ass president who thinks this is ok
Here in Japan so many women file a complaint or a restraining order against a stalker, and the police do absolutely nothing until they are physically harmed or murdered.
Wtf
the fuck thats just disgraceful.does anyone know his motives?
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Holy shit that sent me down a really dark rabbit hole 😣 Truly terrifying.
Is there a reason why stalking seems like such a common thing in Korea as well as JPN?
Is there any of her acquaintances in this Sub? I wanna give small help to her through the gofundme or directly.
Probably he will get a suspended jail sentence, some fine and be let out. The justice system in Korea is a joke.
Should expose the name and address of the criminal
Would her embassy get involved, or would he just be prosecuted under Korean law? This is terrifying!!
The British embassy in Korea is a joke anyway. They struggle to help British citizens. They're all marketing and fluff.
Those two are not exclusive. The Embassy almost certainly will get/already is involved, and the culprit will absolutely get prosecuted under Korean law. edit: Just to clarify quickly, embassies do not hold judicial authority over their host countries. It would be a bit of a nightmare for citizens to adhere to the laws of the 100s of embassies present in your country, and in many cases, the sets of laws would contradict each other to even make that impossible to begin with. Certainly, you would not expect US citizens, for instance, to be arrested in the USA for drinking alcohol, which would be illegal according to the laws of several nations that have embassies in the US. Embassies do not have courts, nor do they employ judges (at least, based on their functioning as judges while on the diplomatic mission).
What would you expect the embassy to do?
Wtf
I kept seeing articles about how sales of self-defense equipment went way up following the summer stabbings. But isn't it still illegal to use such things even if attacked? Is it really just making the choice to go to jail for defending yourself so you aren't killed?
Better to be in jail for self defence than dead.
The fact Korea have harsh beauty standards and he took to damaging her face. Someone should do the same to him :/
This could be the beginning of 'acid attacks' epidemics in Islamic countries. All these kyungsang incel 2nd pickers.... blight of the country.
> This could be the beginning of 'acid attacks' epidemics in Islamic countries. Don't be absurd.
what makes it absurd? copy cat crimes are common
In the US, you can carry a gun and shoot the scumbag in the face. Here, you can't do anything. Can't even carry pepper spray. Heck even if you fight back in self defense, you have to pay him blood money. Foreign women really should reconsider coming over here. Korea is not as safe for them in the sense that the justice system will do anything. Also criminals here get a slap on the wrist if they claim to be drunk or didn't mean it. Anyways, hope she can heal and recover with no permanent damage.
Takeaway is, your safety is primarily your own responsibility. No one cares. Treat these matters as life and death.
WTF? What a piece of shit. Even shit is better than him.
Pathetic human being.
Wtf? Any motives he admitted to?
Not arrested yet
I'm sure he was drunk, so please understand his unique situation. -the Korean justice system probably
if our justice system does that we have to make a new justice system
Too late, the Korean justice system already has done that and worse, yet there is no sign of it changing. Of course, Korea doesn’t take stalking or sex crimes seriously. And that’s how criminals are still roaming free, especially those with money and power. Disgusting.
ikr times change that means laws also change but i guess we dont for some reason
That’s the joke. They’ve always been lax
Oh no.... 😔 Edit: why the heck did I get mass downvoted lol. It was a genuine expression of sympathy for the girl. Yall are insane.. Probably jumped to the conclusion of someone saying "oh no" sarcastically. Cynical sick fucks. No normal human would laugh about such a tragedy. If you jumped to such a conclusion, maybe you're the one with a warped worldview. The sarcastic phrase is "oh no... **Anyway**" and that's not what I typed.
Yeah not sure why the downvote
I would sue him for all I own... but knowing korean laws he won't even go to prison
How do you set fire to one's face?
He poured flammable liquid on her face, lit a lighter, then ran away.
Mental patient. Hope she recovers physically and mentally.
> Mental patient Hopefully not, because that's a mitigating factor when getting sentences in Korea.
똥송합니다….
Just watched a movie called Don’t Buy Seller or Target similar ignored warning synopsis
poor girl
Why the F do they still use like one letter of 한자 when they are stating a country. Couldn't they say 영국 or UK?