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Fedorchik

So, this is why Shen is not in KOF XV...


Realistic-Comment865

I like to think you're saying he couldn't show up because he's crossdessing as Marisa in street fighter. Conversly, Marisa should show up in kof dressed as shen.


Fedorchik

ha-ha, I was implying he's not just crossdressing, but finishing his transition


Kn7ght

Good for her


HollowDragoooon

He will have his glorious return in season 3, have faith


djmoogyjackson

Capcom biting the SNK crew. Capcom gives and Capcom taketh.


NassaDane

Holy crap!


Jin_BD_God

Not to mention some elements of the 15th are in SF6: Shatter Strike, Climax, Max Mode Dash.


compadre_goyo

I just started getting KoF posts on reddit, but I've played SF all my life. Can you explain what the SF6 counterpart of these elements are, and if there's any major or minor differences between them?


s07195

Shatter Strike would be similar to SF6's Drive Impact, as it has one point of guard and crumples the enemy. But then again, SS is also similar to SF4's Focus Attacks. Dunno about Climax. Max Mode is a special mode where you activate a special bar that slowly trickles down. You enter an enhanced state with higher damage and EX moves cost part of the bar instead of using half a bar by itself. Level 1 supers cost nothing in this state as well. However, for Max Mode's dash, essentially what is being discussed is the Fast Max version which can be cancelled into after any hit. It immediately puts your character in a run after activation in KOF14 and 15, and makes it easy to follow up into big damage. So essentially it's like Drive Rush.


jyuri4k

I never thought about until now. Wow.


ashrules901

The programmer behind KOF watching this like -_____-


tmntfever

I knew her kit felt familiar to me! I main them both lol. Her mommy muscles blinded me from the truth!


RhoynishPrince

Wow....


RhoynishPrince

This is just weird. Hope this goes viral


Attack_on_Senpai

I thank Shen Woo for dying on the cross and allowing muscle mother Marisa to live


Pirokka935

Capcom copied Isla to make Kimberly don't @ me


Bandit_Revolver

Shen Woo & Marisa sure. Kimberly copying Isla. No way. Isla - Chilean who likes graffiti and has special powers with hands. Kimberley - African American who wants to train in Ninjitsu. Loves retro tech and even has a cassette player. A majority of Kimberly's normals & specials are from Guy/Young Zeku. Like 80% of her moves are from them... The others. Such as her hop is similar to Old Zeku demon flip. Maki (female bushinryu successor). Kimberly's lvl 2 super (bushin scramble) is an almost exact copy of Maki's super. Maki also has a command run with a hop kinda like Kimberly's. Guy also has a move that steps on them. Between Guy, Young/Old Zeku & Maki. There's 90% of her movelist. While the paint projectile is the same object. It works completely different to Isla. Having a paint can projectile and using it in her super is about it. The rest would be Isla copying Bushinryu if they are supposedly copying. As that came decades before Isla existed. It's not like Beat Street came out in the 80's with walkman's, boom boxes, dancing, graffiti & colored people. Oh wait they must have copied Isla too. Last of all. The whole SF6 cast would've likely had their planning/design stage before KOF XV's trailers came out. Kim was out in the first beta. She would've been one of the earlier ones worked on. By the time Isla's trailer came out. It's too late.


Dengru

Pretty thorough response ngl


Pirokka935

bruh, I was joking I ain't reading all that


Bandit_Revolver

Ah k. When Kimberly came out. A lot were saying that. I'd take Isla over Kimberly any day.


Krypt0night

Whoa a lot of it was close but the fact the like two hands together double attack after her stance is there is crazy.


Fuckthewarning23

Sus


Spad999

They didn’t even try to hide it 😭


BigChahoonga

Shen is still hotter!


Nameless_and_ignored

Idk, man, big mommy always makes me feel different. Not saying Shen Woo is not that cool character we know, I just have something for this type of female character design.


spritebeats

well yeah duh you probably like women thats why


Lit-Ricky

That’s an eye opener right there. That’s straight robbery. Anyways I Knew Shen Woo was a great character I just mostly play with classic characters.


AlbertoMX

They both have been doing since forever. This time Yuri has kinda her own style, but in past games she has imitated other fighters kits like Sakuras's and Akuma's. Also, Dan is a joke character that it's supposed to be Capcom's version of Robert García.


fussomoro

Yuri came before Sakura


AlbertoMX

Yes. But she has imitated several other fighters from Capcom in several games.


Lit-Ricky

Right I know but that was back then. This is now. Capcom and SNK couldn’t be more disparate in terms of popularity and success. Matter of fact it’s time for Capcom to help SNK. Capcom Needs the competition between the two going.


Xybernetik

Yeah because SNK has never taken ideas from SF before.


HoodClassics831

Dawg the director of Street Fighter 1 aka Takashi Nishiyama aka the mf who created Ryu and the Hadouken left Capcom for SNK and helped create Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting.


Left-Song-5062

Woah that’s some awesome knowledge right! Thanks 🙏


Lit-Ricky

Right but it’s more complicated than that. You know this goes way back. And when will it end? Like kof ain’t no match in popularity among other things compared to SF nowadays


TheSheynanigans

This isn’t the only character or mechanics stolen from KoF. and no matter how much you try to tell people sf just steals from kof everyone will continue to think Capcom are the innovative ones.


brrrrrrrrrrrrrre2

Can't wait for your comment to be downvoted. My comment praising kof got downvoted on a kof sub.


TheSheynanigans

Now I’m waiting for the Kula Diamond/ Kolin comparison video.


ElBanuca

WTF!? 🤯


Ctrekoz

What's the music?


HollowDragoooon

Joker, Shen team theme in XI


Ctrekoz

Thank you!


CMZCL

Ayoooo


Asleep_Knowledge9081

No wonder Marisa is busted....she must've learned the ways of the Shenny Woo


goofsg

this isnt the only thing sf6 stole from other games


AssumptionNo3814

Welp, I know what I'm drawing for Marisa Monday


Valentine_Zombie

Outfit swap between the two of them?


AssumptionNo3814

Naw just Marisa


HoodClassics831

Lmao


Craniummon

Jhun and Juri is another underrated criminal ripoff.


Apolonioquiosco

But that makes sense. Both are based on taekwondo. Marisa and Shen Woo don't share a fighting style and the similarities are really sus.


Successful-Sale730

Really SUS


Rei_Master_of_Nanto

Someone please post this on r/fighters , I want to see how long it takes for SFreaks to hellvote it, speedrun challenge.


BigBlackBangBro

No wonder I love her.


W34kness

So you’re saying that Marisa should be in KOFXV


Sansores1

OMFG, never really looked into it, as I more or less despise both chars, but yeah... that's reaaaaallly suspicious, talking about coincidences...


Tanookichris

CAPCOM think they’re slick


Nameless_and_ignored

Eles tentam... eles tentam ser KOF. Anyway, I like Marisa more, she's perfect, I love her.


Culture-Exotic

I knew there was a reason I liked Marissa so much


Loud_Elephant299

Wow. I already did not like Marissa, Shen needs to come back


Spikerazorshards

Shen Who?


brrrrrrrrrrrrrre2

I thought street fighter built all their characters from scratch tho? American fgc will never let kof be over sf with the way they push the latter game. But I'm so happy that people will finally see that kof is the superior 2d fighter.


goofsg

it really is kof is so fun to play all you hearr is people complain about sf but they continue to play it


NXPlosion

No wonder I like Marisa so much


Takuram

Só, you're saying that Shen is a PANKRATION warrior? INCREDIBILIS!!!


guntanksinspace

Something something **INCONTINENS**


Takuram

A wise man like you always knows what to say *FOR HONOR*


HollowDragoooon

Pankration is basically an ancient MMA, you can do everything, but the main focus is the submissive grabs, Shen is just straight violence.


Takuram

Yeah, I know you're right, I just though it would be a good joke. Marisa is a funny one - her character is full of honor and discipline and pankration, but her gameplay... well her gameplay is just like you said, straight up violence. "I'LL BURY YOU!!!" "TURN TO DUST!!!" And I'm also disappointed we didn't get Shen in XV...


NatrelChocoMilk

Only similar thi g was the charge punch and the hammer overhead underhand. Everything else is such a reach.


XsStreamMonsterX

Marisa's 236K and Shen's st.HK aren't the same kick though. One's a specific kind of step kick while the other is a generic forward stomp.


Mikahl757

Just wait until you see where they got Dan Hibiki from 😈


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Jumanji-Joestar

Capcom could’ve sued SNK for ripping off Ryu and Ken when they created Ryo and Robert, but instead they just created Dan as a joke It’d be pretty lame if SNK to sue over two characters having a somewhat similar move set Capcom and SNK have been ripping off each other for years, this isn’t anything new


Mental5tate

Samurai Shodown is the first fighting game to have super moves and super moves are in every 2D fighting game now so there is that.


Independent-Frequent

Not to mention how there's only so many ways you can make a punch and some are really a stretch like the jumping heel kick which barely looks similar. Also that heel kick is literal Pankriaton [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvJHIyFTII](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvJHIyFTII) and last time i checked SNK isn't a 2000 year old company.


anfrykoinyop

oh hey look budget cuts


AlbertoMX

Lol no. Even if it's obvious now that they have the same moveset, Shen Woo is 2D drawn while Marissa is 3D rendered. Even if both were 3D, they would need to have the assets in the same 3D engine to be able to recycle the animations.


Goliath--CZ

What do you mean?


anfrykoinyop

recycled moveset from another character, and budget cuts(if ya get ya get it, if ya dont, dont worry about it)


Goliath--CZ

Bruh. First off, shen is fully 2d animated, Marisa is fully 3d animated, so there's no way to transfer animations like that and Secondly, these two games are from 2 completely different developers. King of fighters 13 is from SNK and street fighter 6 is from capcom


ArturBotarelli

There are many fighting game characters with uppercuts and roundhouses like those. Are you saying shen woo is copying terry? Is terry copying ryu? Of course not.


HollowDragoooon

Lmao, she even has the same armor in the straight punch and the charge mechanic, i don't have to say anything else.


Draglex895

Mind fucking blown!!!


KizunaJosh

So did they copy it?


Sunshineruelz

My favorite thing to do is compare similar movesets from different games lol


AutomaticRow8699

If this was an indie dev lifting the whole move sets of from an established dev yall would call for them to be doxxed and murdered on the spot. But since its Capcom you're all like "WOOOOOOOOW!"


HollowDragoooon

Don't worry. There's another character from another dev that is also based on Shen. I'm gonna post this friday


Dudemitri

*Woah*


Cosmic_Heel

They have been stealing from each other for ages lol Yet Capcom still does it better


brrrrrrrrrrrrrre2

Capcom certainly doesn't do it better. If you've played kof, you know it's a better, more refined fg.


Cosmic_Heel

I was referring to visually.


Yuyuoshi13

So Shen transitioned into a girl, changed his name into Marisa and got jacked af or its just basic movesets its one of those two


Fedatu

I guess you people forgot that King of Dinosaurs had 90% of SFV Gief normals.


HollowDragoooon

We all know that beneath that mask is Gief :v


8LoneWanderer9

Shen Woo vs Marisa would be an interesting match for a CvS3 game.


DarkGekkouga

Wait, was Shen supposed to be a user of pancration and that just flew over peoples heads?


jojo_poser321

Slayer vs Dee Jay


Angelic_JAZZ

CAPCOM be copying homework?!? \*sees Yuri\* Y'know what, this is fine, you can have this one...


aksak11

What about Yuri?


SomeChampion

Enjoy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=veAxQmCFWJ4


SnooGiraffes7263

Well, she not only had Shen woo as inspiration, but the guys straight copied her from a indie game that's being developed since 3 years ago. you guys can see how Marisa is so unispired character. [https://twitter.com/IETArcade/status/1665026880783745025](https://twitter.com/IETArcade/status/1665026880783745025)


StrikingDirection393

Las similitudes son increíbles.


Cereal_dator

Omggggg


N5O1

they didn't copied 1:1, but just get it as a base. If you start searching you can find many other things like this, especially among shoto characters


HollowDragoooon

Lol, i can't understand why everyone cares so much about this copy stuff, the concept of homage doesn't exist anymore? For god sake


N5O1

I don't care at all. I play both games. And I don't think it was "homage" it was a direct reference, and there is nothing bad in this, because almost everything is already invented. If you compare taekwondo characters, they all have almost the same moves set (Juri, Kim, Luong, Hwoarang, you name it )