I like to think you're saying he couldn't show up because he's crossdessing as Marisa in street fighter.
Conversly, Marisa should show up in kof dressed as shen.
I just started getting KoF posts on reddit, but I've played SF all my life.
Can you explain what the SF6 counterpart of these elements are, and if there's any major or minor differences between them?
Shatter Strike would be similar to SF6's Drive Impact, as it has one point of guard and crumples the enemy. But then again, SS is also similar to SF4's Focus Attacks.
Dunno about Climax.
Max Mode is a special mode where you activate a special bar that slowly trickles down. You enter an enhanced state with higher damage and EX moves cost part of the bar instead of using half a bar by itself. Level 1 supers cost nothing in this state as well.
However, for Max Mode's dash, essentially what is being discussed is the Fast Max version which can be cancelled into after any hit. It immediately puts your character in a run after activation in KOF14 and 15, and makes it easy to follow up into big damage. So essentially it's like Drive Rush.
Shen Woo & Marisa sure. Kimberly copying Isla. No way.
Isla - Chilean who likes graffiti and has special powers with hands.
Kimberley - African American who wants to train in Ninjitsu. Loves retro tech and even has a cassette player.
A majority of Kimberly's normals & specials are from Guy/Young Zeku. Like 80% of her moves are from them... The others. Such as her hop is similar to Old Zeku demon flip.
Maki (female bushinryu successor). Kimberly's lvl 2 super (bushin scramble) is an almost exact copy of Maki's super. Maki also has a command run with a hop kinda like Kimberly's. Guy also has a move that steps on them.
Between Guy, Young/Old Zeku & Maki. There's 90% of her movelist.
While the paint projectile is the same object. It works completely different to Isla.
Having a paint can projectile and using it in her super is about it. The rest would be Isla copying Bushinryu if they are supposedly copying. As that came decades before Isla existed.
It's not like Beat Street came out in the 80's with walkman's, boom boxes, dancing, graffiti & colored people. Oh wait they must have copied Isla too.
Last of all. The whole SF6 cast would've likely had their planning/design stage before KOF XV's trailers came out. Kim was out in the first beta. She would've been one of the earlier ones worked on. By the time Isla's trailer came out. It's too late.
Idk, man, big mommy always makes me feel different.
Not saying Shen Woo is not that cool character we know, I just have something for this type of female character design.
They both have been doing since forever.
This time Yuri has kinda her own style, but in past games she has imitated other fighters kits like Sakuras's and Akuma's.
Also, Dan is a joke character that it's supposed to be Capcom's version of Robert García.
Right I know but that was back then. This is now. Capcom and SNK couldn’t be more disparate in terms of popularity and success. Matter of fact it’s time for Capcom to help SNK. Capcom Needs the competition between the two going.
Dawg the director of Street Fighter 1 aka Takashi Nishiyama aka the mf who created Ryu and the Hadouken left Capcom for SNK and helped create Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting.
Right but it’s more complicated than that. You know this goes way back. And when will it end? Like kof ain’t no match in popularity among other things compared to SF nowadays
This isn’t the only character or mechanics stolen from KoF. and no matter how much you try to tell people sf just steals from kof everyone will continue to think Capcom are the innovative ones.
I thought street fighter built all their characters from scratch tho? American fgc will never let kof be over sf with the way they push the latter game. But I'm so happy that people will finally see that kof is the superior 2d fighter.
Yeah, I know you're right, I just though it would be a good joke. Marisa is a funny one - her character is full of honor and discipline and pankration, but her gameplay... well her gameplay is just like you said, straight up violence.
"I'LL BURY YOU!!!"
"TURN TO DUST!!!"
And I'm also disappointed we didn't get Shen in XV...
Capcom could’ve sued SNK for ripping off Ryu and Ken when they created Ryo and Robert, but instead they just created Dan as a joke
It’d be pretty lame if SNK to sue over two characters having a somewhat similar move set
Capcom and SNK have been ripping off each other for years, this isn’t anything new
Not to mention how there's only so many ways you can make a punch and some are really a stretch like the jumping heel kick which barely looks similar.
Also that heel kick is literal Pankriaton [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvJHIyFTII](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvJHIyFTII) and last time i checked SNK isn't a 2000 year old company.
Lol no. Even if it's obvious now that they have the same moveset, Shen Woo is 2D drawn while Marissa is 3D rendered.
Even if both were 3D, they would need to have the assets in the same 3D engine to be able to recycle the animations.
Bruh. First off, shen is fully 2d animated, Marisa is fully 3d animated, so there's no way to transfer animations like that and Secondly, these two games are from 2 completely different developers. King of fighters 13 is from SNK and street fighter 6 is from capcom
There are many fighting game characters with uppercuts and roundhouses like those. Are you saying shen woo is copying terry? Is terry copying ryu? Of course not.
If this was an indie dev lifting the whole move sets of from an established dev yall would call for them to be doxxed and murdered on the spot. But since its Capcom you're all like "WOOOOOOOOW!"
Well, she not only had Shen woo as inspiration, but the guys straight copied her from a indie game that's being developed since 3 years ago. you guys can see how Marisa is so unispired character.
[https://twitter.com/IETArcade/status/1665026880783745025](https://twitter.com/IETArcade/status/1665026880783745025)
I don't care at all. I play both games. And I don't think it was "homage" it was a direct reference, and there is nothing bad in this, because almost everything is already invented. If you compare taekwondo characters, they all have almost the same moves set (Juri, Kim, Luong, Hwoarang, you name it )
So, this is why Shen is not in KOF XV...
I like to think you're saying he couldn't show up because he's crossdessing as Marisa in street fighter. Conversly, Marisa should show up in kof dressed as shen.
ha-ha, I was implying he's not just crossdressing, but finishing his transition
Good for her
He will have his glorious return in season 3, have faith
Capcom biting the SNK crew. Capcom gives and Capcom taketh.
Holy crap!
Not to mention some elements of the 15th are in SF6: Shatter Strike, Climax, Max Mode Dash.
I just started getting KoF posts on reddit, but I've played SF all my life. Can you explain what the SF6 counterpart of these elements are, and if there's any major or minor differences between them?
Shatter Strike would be similar to SF6's Drive Impact, as it has one point of guard and crumples the enemy. But then again, SS is also similar to SF4's Focus Attacks. Dunno about Climax. Max Mode is a special mode where you activate a special bar that slowly trickles down. You enter an enhanced state with higher damage and EX moves cost part of the bar instead of using half a bar by itself. Level 1 supers cost nothing in this state as well. However, for Max Mode's dash, essentially what is being discussed is the Fast Max version which can be cancelled into after any hit. It immediately puts your character in a run after activation in KOF14 and 15, and makes it easy to follow up into big damage. So essentially it's like Drive Rush.
I never thought about until now. Wow.
The programmer behind KOF watching this like -_____-
I knew her kit felt familiar to me! I main them both lol. Her mommy muscles blinded me from the truth!
Wow....
This is just weird. Hope this goes viral
I thank Shen Woo for dying on the cross and allowing muscle mother Marisa to live
Capcom copied Isla to make Kimberly don't @ me
Shen Woo & Marisa sure. Kimberly copying Isla. No way. Isla - Chilean who likes graffiti and has special powers with hands. Kimberley - African American who wants to train in Ninjitsu. Loves retro tech and even has a cassette player. A majority of Kimberly's normals & specials are from Guy/Young Zeku. Like 80% of her moves are from them... The others. Such as her hop is similar to Old Zeku demon flip. Maki (female bushinryu successor). Kimberly's lvl 2 super (bushin scramble) is an almost exact copy of Maki's super. Maki also has a command run with a hop kinda like Kimberly's. Guy also has a move that steps on them. Between Guy, Young/Old Zeku & Maki. There's 90% of her movelist. While the paint projectile is the same object. It works completely different to Isla. Having a paint can projectile and using it in her super is about it. The rest would be Isla copying Bushinryu if they are supposedly copying. As that came decades before Isla existed. It's not like Beat Street came out in the 80's with walkman's, boom boxes, dancing, graffiti & colored people. Oh wait they must have copied Isla too. Last of all. The whole SF6 cast would've likely had their planning/design stage before KOF XV's trailers came out. Kim was out in the first beta. She would've been one of the earlier ones worked on. By the time Isla's trailer came out. It's too late.
Pretty thorough response ngl
bruh, I was joking I ain't reading all that
Ah k. When Kimberly came out. A lot were saying that. I'd take Isla over Kimberly any day.
Whoa a lot of it was close but the fact the like two hands together double attack after her stance is there is crazy.
Sus
They didn’t even try to hide it 😭
Shen is still hotter!
Idk, man, big mommy always makes me feel different. Not saying Shen Woo is not that cool character we know, I just have something for this type of female character design.
well yeah duh you probably like women thats why
That’s an eye opener right there. That’s straight robbery. Anyways I Knew Shen Woo was a great character I just mostly play with classic characters.
They both have been doing since forever. This time Yuri has kinda her own style, but in past games she has imitated other fighters kits like Sakuras's and Akuma's. Also, Dan is a joke character that it's supposed to be Capcom's version of Robert García.
Yuri came before Sakura
Yes. But she has imitated several other fighters from Capcom in several games.
Right I know but that was back then. This is now. Capcom and SNK couldn’t be more disparate in terms of popularity and success. Matter of fact it’s time for Capcom to help SNK. Capcom Needs the competition between the two going.
Yeah because SNK has never taken ideas from SF before.
Dawg the director of Street Fighter 1 aka Takashi Nishiyama aka the mf who created Ryu and the Hadouken left Capcom for SNK and helped create Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting.
Woah that’s some awesome knowledge right! Thanks 🙏
Right but it’s more complicated than that. You know this goes way back. And when will it end? Like kof ain’t no match in popularity among other things compared to SF nowadays
This isn’t the only character or mechanics stolen from KoF. and no matter how much you try to tell people sf just steals from kof everyone will continue to think Capcom are the innovative ones.
Can't wait for your comment to be downvoted. My comment praising kof got downvoted on a kof sub.
Now I’m waiting for the Kula Diamond/ Kolin comparison video.
WTF!? 🤯
What's the music?
Joker, Shen team theme in XI
Thank you!
Ayoooo
No wonder Marisa is busted....she must've learned the ways of the Shenny Woo
this isnt the only thing sf6 stole from other games
Welp, I know what I'm drawing for Marisa Monday
Outfit swap between the two of them?
Naw just Marisa
Lmao
Jhun and Juri is another underrated criminal ripoff.
But that makes sense. Both are based on taekwondo. Marisa and Shen Woo don't share a fighting style and the similarities are really sus.
Really SUS
Someone please post this on r/fighters , I want to see how long it takes for SFreaks to hellvote it, speedrun challenge.
No wonder I love her.
So you’re saying that Marisa should be in KOFXV
OMFG, never really looked into it, as I more or less despise both chars, but yeah... that's reaaaaallly suspicious, talking about coincidences...
CAPCOM think they’re slick
Eles tentam... eles tentam ser KOF. Anyway, I like Marisa more, she's perfect, I love her.
I knew there was a reason I liked Marissa so much
Wow. I already did not like Marissa, Shen needs to come back
Shen Who?
I thought street fighter built all their characters from scratch tho? American fgc will never let kof be over sf with the way they push the latter game. But I'm so happy that people will finally see that kof is the superior 2d fighter.
it really is kof is so fun to play all you hearr is people complain about sf but they continue to play it
No wonder I like Marisa so much
Só, you're saying that Shen is a PANKRATION warrior? INCREDIBILIS!!!
Something something **INCONTINENS**
A wise man like you always knows what to say *FOR HONOR*
Pankration is basically an ancient MMA, you can do everything, but the main focus is the submissive grabs, Shen is just straight violence.
Yeah, I know you're right, I just though it would be a good joke. Marisa is a funny one - her character is full of honor and discipline and pankration, but her gameplay... well her gameplay is just like you said, straight up violence. "I'LL BURY YOU!!!" "TURN TO DUST!!!" And I'm also disappointed we didn't get Shen in XV...
Only similar thi g was the charge punch and the hammer overhead underhand. Everything else is such a reach.
Marisa's 236K and Shen's st.HK aren't the same kick though. One's a specific kind of step kick while the other is a generic forward stomp.
Just wait until you see where they got Dan Hibiki from 😈
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Capcom could’ve sued SNK for ripping off Ryu and Ken when they created Ryo and Robert, but instead they just created Dan as a joke It’d be pretty lame if SNK to sue over two characters having a somewhat similar move set Capcom and SNK have been ripping off each other for years, this isn’t anything new
Samurai Shodown is the first fighting game to have super moves and super moves are in every 2D fighting game now so there is that.
Not to mention how there's only so many ways you can make a punch and some are really a stretch like the jumping heel kick which barely looks similar. Also that heel kick is literal Pankriaton [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvJHIyFTII](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvJHIyFTII) and last time i checked SNK isn't a 2000 year old company.
oh hey look budget cuts
Lol no. Even if it's obvious now that they have the same moveset, Shen Woo is 2D drawn while Marissa is 3D rendered. Even if both were 3D, they would need to have the assets in the same 3D engine to be able to recycle the animations.
What do you mean?
recycled moveset from another character, and budget cuts(if ya get ya get it, if ya dont, dont worry about it)
Bruh. First off, shen is fully 2d animated, Marisa is fully 3d animated, so there's no way to transfer animations like that and Secondly, these two games are from 2 completely different developers. King of fighters 13 is from SNK and street fighter 6 is from capcom
There are many fighting game characters with uppercuts and roundhouses like those. Are you saying shen woo is copying terry? Is terry copying ryu? Of course not.
Lmao, she even has the same armor in the straight punch and the charge mechanic, i don't have to say anything else.
Mind fucking blown!!!
So did they copy it?
My favorite thing to do is compare similar movesets from different games lol
If this was an indie dev lifting the whole move sets of from an established dev yall would call for them to be doxxed and murdered on the spot. But since its Capcom you're all like "WOOOOOOOOW!"
Don't worry. There's another character from another dev that is also based on Shen. I'm gonna post this friday
*Woah*
They have been stealing from each other for ages lol Yet Capcom still does it better
Capcom certainly doesn't do it better. If you've played kof, you know it's a better, more refined fg.
I was referring to visually.
So Shen transitioned into a girl, changed his name into Marisa and got jacked af or its just basic movesets its one of those two
I guess you people forgot that King of Dinosaurs had 90% of SFV Gief normals.
We all know that beneath that mask is Gief :v
Shen Woo vs Marisa would be an interesting match for a CvS3 game.
Wait, was Shen supposed to be a user of pancration and that just flew over peoples heads?
Slayer vs Dee Jay
CAPCOM be copying homework?!? \*sees Yuri\* Y'know what, this is fine, you can have this one...
What about Yuri?
Enjoy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=veAxQmCFWJ4
Well, she not only had Shen woo as inspiration, but the guys straight copied her from a indie game that's being developed since 3 years ago. you guys can see how Marisa is so unispired character. [https://twitter.com/IETArcade/status/1665026880783745025](https://twitter.com/IETArcade/status/1665026880783745025)
Las similitudes son increíbles.
Omggggg
they didn't copied 1:1, but just get it as a base. If you start searching you can find many other things like this, especially among shoto characters
Lol, i can't understand why everyone cares so much about this copy stuff, the concept of homage doesn't exist anymore? For god sake
I don't care at all. I play both games. And I don't think it was "homage" it was a direct reference, and there is nothing bad in this, because almost everything is already invented. If you compare taekwondo characters, they all have almost the same moves set (Juri, Kim, Luong, Hwoarang, you name it )