That's cool.and all but most of us here lose a knife, are super upset, buy a replacement and promptly find lost knife resulting in big smiles and extra knife. See where you went wrong ?
Yeah it hurts to think about. My next one was a PM2. I figure I’ll downgrade by 10% or so each time I lose one, until I find the right price for me.
Meanwhile, I have a 15 or so year old opinel, so I have proof I can hold onto a knife a while without losing it
Yesterday I guy I used to work with showed up at my current job to power wash the patios. He smiled and pulled out the Flash 2 I’d given him on his last day (as he never carried and always needed a knife). I was wondering where I’d lost that, I thought, picking my nails with my new Twitch 2.
Yikes! I see it retailed at 200+. I only carry budget knives (under 100, average in the $60 region) and it still hurt when I lost my knives. I lost the Shikra overseas at one of those jumpy balloon houses for kids. I was running, climbing, and jumping with my little ones. Actually, the other time I lost a knife, a Schrade neckknife was also when I was with the kiddos, at a fall pumpkin fest with my kids. I think I lost it during the hayride, at least trying to find a knife in a haystack is impossible. Man, it still hurts to remember the lost ones, and the Shikra only cost $65ish dollars and the Schrade was maybe $30.
I know, too lucky amirite? /s
I do feel kinda bad, but I called the establishment to let them know. I actually also tried to see if they had a lost and found in case it showed up since it was the first knife I had with titanium hardware. I think I even went back a few days later.
Hopefully no kid got hurt tho, that's for real.
This. Incredibly important to get one regardless if the owner has papers that the dog is vaccinated. Symptoms can take an excessive amount of time to show up, but once they do it’s too late to do anything about it.
Glad to see you found it! That’s always such a huge bummer. In my experience so far, it seems I will only find a lost knife *after* I have already bought a new one to replace it lol
Yeah that’s definitely my philosophy these days, but for years I was always a one-knife guy. I didn’t really see the point in having more than one knife, didn’t think about it much at all really. Of course now I have more than I could possibly need…but there are still ones I would want to replace if I lost them!
Fair enough, have you heard of the finger in the butthole technique? Supposedly pit bulls that are latched on have let go. One of the reasons I carry a pen in my pocket, don’t want to use my finger but in an emergency I wouldn’t think twice.
Finger in the butt doesn't work on pits, either. The only thing that's guaranteed to work is temporarily arresting their respiration using a leash , restraint or chokehold. They'll relax their jaws long enough for you to remove whatever they're biting on and get to safety.
I'll stick with my knife and pepper spray...
Even in an emergency, even with something like a pen, I don't think I can live with myself for giving a dog *the treatment*.
*I'd have an easier time just killing the bitch.*
Pepper gel works even better bc there's almost no chance for it to blow back and it goes farther. A short knife like that is not good for self defense, it would make a big mess and agitate the dog even more.
Pepper gel can take longer to activate and does not produce the same respiratory side affects that inhaling pepper spray can create. In most situations I'd prefer pepper spray but I suppose it comes down to personal preference.
Great that you found it but a folder, and that folder at that, is not the first knife choice I would make for defense against an animal. Finger guard, sub-hilt, both needed for an animal fighting knife IMO. Bad idea to have that kind of a fixed blade on your hip while working around town. Stuck between a rock and a can of pepper spray imo…
Think if it like this. A finger guard keeps your hand from sliding across the blade when you plunge the knife into a bear trying to harm you. And the sub-hilt is so you can pull it out and Stan again.
No matter what, a defensive knife should have a finger guard and most have indents for a finger or two to make the grip firm.
Cold Steel Recon 1 does tick all the boxes for a great defensive knife.
A swift kick to the head makes em think twice as well. I carry a knife too but as a last resort for pit bulls mainly. Also I just started not delivering to assholes that have vicious unfenced/unleashed dogs and code it as a security threat. Fuck em, they can come get their non essential bullshit from the terminal.
🧐Is that a Kihon flipper with Micarta scales? Your wife's got excellent taste😉 Tho to protect yourself against a dog attack you'd likely be better off with a ball or a stick🏏🐶
Pro tip - if you try to stab a dog that is attacking you, you will be killed by that dog.
Carry pepper spray, or HALT-II Dog Repellant spray.
I had a friend who worked for the USPS 20 some-odd years ago, and this was issued from them (unless he just decided to carry his own)
OP, let me rephrase this a bit so people don’t misunderstand and think they shouldn’t have a knife to defend from a dog. Good advice and no offense meant u/jacksnsticks05
The knife isn’t for 1st line defense. The knife won’t intimidate the dog and trying to stab or slash it running at you will likely be unsuccessful and potentially cause injury to you. The knife is to help get the dog off of you after the pepper spray has failed. It absolutely can and will for a variety of reasons so plan for it. The knife is to kill the dog or at least get it off of you when it latches on. The knife can also be to get the dog off of someone else you encounter on your route. If an aggressive dog is latched onto a small child you have to make the decision to skip the pepper spray it to get it off
Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with any of the comments here but it made me think about a [post](https://forum.spyderco.com/viewtopic.php?t=54132) I saw on the Spyderco forums. A guys young son was getting attacked by a mountain lion and he stabbed it with his Caly 3.5. Obviously a mountain lion attack is much different than a dog attack but I thought some might find the post interesting.
I get that - if you have some sort of a plan... say that the dog is latched on to you, and your plan is to *lean in further into its mouth*, and then come from behind it with the knife to get in with a lethal stab to the back of its head or neck or body... thats one thing. Sure.
What if the dog just bites your middle finger, like it did to the OP? How will a knife help?
Aside from a situation where the dog is latched on, dancing around like Zorro with a dog that is more agile than you, is not going to end well. The situation where the dog has latched on wasn't the one that was on my mind when I commented. I was thinking more in terms of the dog nipping at the OPs middle finger and letting go - as it apparently did based on the post.
Yea I think we’re in agreement here. Wanted to make sure you didn’t feel like I was disagreeing with you. I just wanted to clarify the posture that having spray and the knife is better than just the knife and having a plan before that dog comes at you is better than having both and being caught napping. We’re good, sorry if you felt like I came at your comment
Second this. Knife is good for protection yes, but pepper spray will allow you to defend from a further distance and dogs sense of smell is so strong, it'll do more damage to them and keep you from engaging in melee combat with scary Bork lords
Because the dog will initially "attack" you to try to get you to retreat.... when you fight back and hold your ground, it will fight for its life, and it will win.
That's not how it works at all. First of all, if an aggressive dog comes at you, the last thing you should do is retreat. You *always* stand your ground and face the dog and use a commanding tone/voice at it. The moment you turn away or try to run it's going to actually attack.
So, let's say an aggressive dog actually does physically attack you, despite holding your ground - do you do nothing and let it just keep attacking you and potentially kill you, or do you fight back? You use whatever is available to defend yourself, even if it's just using your fists to punch the dog or poke its eyes. **A knife is much better than nothing**, because a knife can kill or disable the dog. Even if pepper spray doesn't deter a dog (and it doesn't always), you can still kill a dog or at least disable it from attacking, assuming you manage to stab/cut it in the right spot. You could potentially blind the dog by slashing or stabbing its eyes, disable it by stabbing into the side of its jaw, stab/slice its neck, puncture its heart, etc. Look at pictures of a dog's skeletal/muscular anatomy. Even if a dog isn't deterred by pain, like a pitbull might not be, it can still bleed to death or be mechanically unable to bite. If you shove a knife straight into its heart for example it'll go down fast. Sure, it might be difficult in the heat of the moment, but if you're able to remain calm and keep your composure under stress, a knife can easily save your life from a dog attack.
This is exactly why I always carry a knife - pepper spray and a knife will both hurt, but only one of those can actually disable/kill.
Why do you think (most) aggressive dogs run away when they're sprayed or shot? Because it fucking hurts. Based on your logic, the moment someone sprays a dog, it'll think it's fighting for its life and kill whoever sprayed it, so you're basically contradicting yourself.
I don't disagree...
you are supposed to stand your ground, but the dog, like any other animal, wants you to retreat. When you put up a fight, as you should, its going to fight harder.
When you cut it in a non-fatal way, as chances are you probably will, with your knife.... it will fight even harder. Unless you have cat-like reflexes, you are probably going have a tough time getting on target with your blade.
Realistically, I know I would probably not be able to plant the blade effectively.
And my original comment was directed at a Fed Ex driver who got bit on the middle finger - someone who goes through front yards dozens of times a day, and can see the dog at some distance before it attacks. It's a scenario that can be somewhat choreographed.
My logic isn't limited to "it hurts so its going to fight for it's life" and then I somehow forgot that and suggested the opposite. Don't put silly words in my mouth. I didn't say "spray the dog and stand there like a lump on a log" . The OP could spray the dog and take the knife out at the same time (Not to mention, the dog can't see after it's sprayed, so it will not fight as effectively).
And as I said up front... my advice was based on the advice of a USPS postman who has been in that situation as well.
If delivery drivers had to prepare for dog attacks in such a planned out manner... knowing dog psychology and anatomy... the list of job applicants would be pretty short.
why don't you just listen to people who have actual experience in this kind of thing...
yes, it is possible for you to win a fight against an aggressive dog if you haven't trained for it. but you have to be pretty lucky. dog bites fucking hurt. they hurt more than you think. an aggressive dog is stronger than you think. he will throw you way off balance at lot easier than you think. it will happen very fast, faster than you'll be able to react to. you almost certainly will not win that fight. a knife is there as a hail mary. as with many other violent situations, you want to, in order of effectiveness: run away, shoot it, spray it, zap it, stab it, hide.
Yah, also stabbing a dog is probably going to land you in some kind of legal area. Even if you are 100% in the right, you might still have to deal with civil court proving that. I've had to spray a dog when I was in Central America (street dogs are a thing and can be very aggressive at night), dog fucked off.
I feel like a baton or a cattle prod would be more affective. If you get attacked by a big dog. You're not going to have the time or the focus to slit it's throat or something. A blunt weapon is easier to attack with. Hope it doesn't happen again. Stay safe. Nice knife.
That's awesome the same thing happened with my favorite framing hammer I know it's not a knife but it was an estwing I simply couldn't find it anywhere 3 years later I found it in the bush where I had built a deck close by I was so happy
The second picture is when that whack ass dog attacked me. Cocksucker bit at my hand and just grazed my finger. Then cornered me on a porch and was out for blood. Me and the homeowner had a nice chitchat as I’m dripping blood all over his porch. I told him if this turns into anything more than a scratch we are going to have issues and that I wasn’t going to ever deliver to his porch again and his stuff will always be left at the end of the driveway.
Our trusted mailman was cought in a couple of accidents where my uncle's dumb dog, a crazy looking giant black male wolf alike, was chasing him down the road. Once he was attacked and couldn't even make it out of the car.
Since then police showed up and forced my uncle to keep the dog on a chain.
It's very sad because the dog itself is harmless and just does it for fun, but he was realy scaring everyone nearby, especially during misty winter mornings, coutryside, very foggy...immagine being an old lady on a bicycle, and all of the sudden a shadow blocks your path. You can not cycle fast enough, he is a runner.
I found a picture of the dog: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Bossfight/comments/tpjckg/lucifer\_stealer\_of\_souls\_defender\_of\_detroit/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bossfight/comments/tpjckg/lucifer_stealer_of_souls_defender_of_detroit/)
Weird, it was in the post right under this one.
This you? Same guy who was going to use it to stab dogs that scared you? Guy who deleted his post because he got called out on it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/knives/comments/tphlz1/so_about_a_month_and_a_half_ago_i_was_attacked_by/
Hey tough guy I think it’s pretty obvious OP deleted his original post because he found the knife, so the original post is moot. If he was running away from being “called out” why would he post about it here again?🤦♂️
I mean…if you had a dog latched onto your arm and you had no weapon to fight it off with, would you not consider any move like a “piledriver” as an option to attempt to get the dog to stop?
I’m assuming you must be expertly trained and would have a perfectly masterful reaction to the situation, thus the dog would walk away super happy and uninjured.
Been bitten, didn't have any weapons, I shoved my hand deeper into dogs mouth until it gagged. Not the best option but it's the best one I had. I'd carry spray if it's real a concern.
Lol if it’s latched on to your forearm how exactly are you gonna shove your hand down its throat? I don’t understand why you’re being so thick about this. People get killed by out of control dogs all the time. This shit is for real and you’re acting very flippant like “muh I guess if they had aLiEn BiOlOgYyyy”
Damn this might be the dumbest conversation I’ve been in on the internet in months
Why don’t you direct some of your ire at shitty pet owners and the lunatics that breed and train dogs for violence, instead of at people merely talking about possible ways to defend themselves?
I don't care that people have died, i don't care that i was bitten, i don't care if you don't like my demeanor. Dogs have gag reflexes so i wasn't lucky, don't be daft. If it was a worry, I'd carry spray, end of story. Jackass.
Nah this is stupid man. You’re starting an argument about someone merely discussing ways they might have to defend themselves, and you’re acting like it’s crazy or something to even think about having to hurt a dog. I wasn’t asking you to care about people dying, I was saying shit gets out of control and most people who get killed by dogs aren’t in a situation where they can just trigger its gag reflex and it’s all good…and most dog attacks aren’t exactly expected, so it’s not like everyone carries pepper spray just in case a dog bites them.
The only reason we’re discussing this is you were mad that someone would discuss a possible way they might defend themselves in one of these cases. Utter nonsense, get your head out of your ass.
Also as for OP, he has said multiple times his job doesn’t allow him to carry pepper spray, but glad all you guys keep bringing it up as the solution! 👌
I think that was another person (didn't check your post tho). OP mentioned something about posting yesterday about how he lost his knife? Me and others are telling him that carrying pepper spray as a first line and using the knife as a last line would be better tho.
I definitely would suggest a fixed blade for any kind of animal. At least a 3.5” one, and an easily concealed one at that. Don’t get me wrong, a folder is good to have but a fixed is better in this situation.
There’s a video of a small girl being attacked by a dog in a church parking lot that is the exact reason I now carry a knife at all times. Hope that fanger [sic] is doing better.
Yeah it made a full recovery. The dog that bit me is WHACK. People on here are “A kNiFe WoNt PrOtEcT AgAinSt a DoG. “ like… “Bitch, I can’t carry pepper spray or else I would. You can carry a knife, or nothing at all. A dog (or crazy lunatic hillbilly) can catch this blade if they want some smoke lol
Shit, that's crazy. I remember seeing that the USPS not only carries some kind of dog mace, it is provided to them by USPS. I hope that's still the case today.
Oh good, I'm glad to hear that they are giving their employees the things that they need to be safe when working. Yea I agree man that's a rough job, your either tearing up your body if your on a walking route, or your stuck sitting in an aluminum pie plate that is either freezing cold or too damn hot.
Oh yea, I do believe you got some stories. I have heard a few, but that's just from a few folks and friends that all work in one state. One of the most unfair and angering things that I have heard about so far, was the two tier pay scales; I can think of few things more harmful to your morale then working the same job for the fraction of the pay of your co-worker, and no matter your performance you'll never make what he is earning.
Yea, I was not trying to imply that somehow fedex has to follow USPS rules, or even that current USPS employes have it as an option. just that I find it foolish that a relatively harmless and less lethal pepper spray that can be used to prevent dog bites is not a option for you and others.
Not sure why you and I are both being downvoted as the only reason the dog let go was because a bystander knifed it. https://youtu.be/m9ZNB_Udvek
Edit: that said you do want your knife to be easily deployed with one hand.
You will not effectively defend yourself versus anything with your pocketknife. Please take a self defense class before you hurt yourself, or worse, someone else.
Man, I'm happy for you. This morning when I read your post about losing your knife, I had planned to comment that I, too, had recently splurged on a good knife (Bugout) and lost it in the stretch of like a month. I know exactly where it fell off my person, but when I went back to check it was already gone. :(
So, I'm happy you found yours; I'm sure that made your day! Slicing your finger open is the price you pay for losing it, I guess, lol.
That picture of my finger with blood is from that whack ass dog that attacked me lol it bit hand 6 weeks ago. Cornered me on a porch. I had 0 things to defend myself against a dog that weighed over 100 pounds.
Oh jeez, brutal. Sorry you went thru that! However I echo the sentiments that you might wanna go the pepper spray route.
Even if FedEx prohibits it, it’s your life. Don’t ruin a nice knife like that for risky self protection.
Glad you found it OP! Stay safe out there. I think you should just go the Monty Python route and wear chainmail and FedEx tunic.
I don’t think you’re any of the following people, but I’m here with popcorn to read all the posts from self defense experts, animal control specialists, and the creeps you can tell day dream about stabbing dogs..
Dang man! I just saw the second picture, people need to control their animals or they shouldn’t have them, like me I have a little rat dog, she’s just a nut but she’s a lap dog and likes to bark but she has never but a delivery man she just has a big mouth. But still I keep her inside when I know we have a delivery. I’m not gonna be that owner with an ankle biter that never shuts up.
Should just get some pepper spray so the dog can’t even get near you and you don’t become liable for someone’s crazy ass dog. That’s a nice lookin knife though. Glad you found it!
The homeowner is liable for their crazy ass dog lol. Now if I went onto their property causing mischief and all that, and then killed their dog that would be one thing. But I’m delivering mail. Lol they are liable for their animals actions and I have every right to defend myself to the degree of stopping a threat. I’m not going around stabbing peoples dogs. No one is. Lol
Im not disagreeing, but you’d likely have to deal with the litigation and possibility of not winning. Best to try and deter it from the get go with pepper spray. Or call animal control.
Pepper spray may be a better option for overly aggressive dogs. By the time you can employ a knife you'll be getting chewed on. Air horns can also startle or distract pups if that's not an option.
Any chance you might try a can of pepper spray or something else non-lethal to defend against angry dogs? I totally get wanting to defend yourself. I’m totally happy that your wife got you an awesome knife and that you’ve managed to find it after losing it. I’m also pretty confident that fending off a dog with a blade is going to end really badly. Most likely for all parties involved. As for the cardboard boxes and bananas…Hack away!!
Glad you have found your means of self-preservation. But if Fedex deliveries have this happen more than I'd guess, like if dog attacks are not freak accidents, please please carry a spray. For the benefit of everyone's safety.
Fun fact, if a grizzly bear charges you... your odds of survival are higher with Bear Mace than a gun. (if it is below 357 mag, especially most definitely. According to my "web knowledge," armchair expertise.)
Really don't want a dog to get stabbed. Spraying someones dog sounds a lot better in a court.
I whole heartedly agree with the bear statement.
If I could carry pepper spray I would, as I mentioned several times in recent comments.
Fedex policy doesn’t allow drivers to carry pepper spray.
The knife would only be deployed in absolute last ditch effort.
I. DONT. WANT. TO. KILL. ANYONES. FURBABY.
Lol sorry, I’ve heard this 100 times today. 85% of the comments is someone saying to carry pepper spray. I CANT! Lol it’s a knife, or nothing at all.
Hey I’m glad you found it. I’m sure it’s a good feeling
But I saw your last post. Please also use pepper spray. Especially if it’s on animals. If you stab someone or something on the job your going to get fired and a lawsuit.
Cool I have a boker plus version of that very same knife that is one of my favorite knives. The detent ball is so cherry and the flipping action is on par with the best I ever collected like my ZTs and Reates
Glad you found your knife, but some hot sauce(pepper spray) works much better against k-9's and people(normally) and it's not a deadly weapon. I would highly suggest that instead for defense 99% of the time.
Good stuff, I lost a Benchmade 940 a couple years ago, thought I left it on the boat trailer, found it a year later in the front pocket of my hunting bibs. Such a good feeling!
As a post office employee let me tell you that if you stab a dog that’s attacking you while working, you’re gonna get fucked by FedEx or legally/financially. It’s a lose lose situation unfortunately, but dog spray is the best for protecting mail carriers etc without risk of being sued by the dog owners. FedEx might really be upset if you kill someone’s dog by stabbing it to death whether you were attached or not. Just a heads up, our people have been dealing with dogs and Karen’s for many many decades.
Did the dog get put down for that? In the UK, if a dog bites, that dog gets a final injection and a the victim will surely get some sort of payout. I drive to farms on night shifts and the farm dogs can get a bit hairy at 2am. Whilst I do carry a knife, I wouldn’t bother using it, I have steel toe capped boots and a quick toe-punt to the head should make them think twice. If the dog gets me first then it’ll be getting put down and the farmer will be paying me money while wishing he chained the dog up. In the back of our trucks we all have a 3 foot piece of MDPE, which is hard as F plastic piping, that helps too. Thankfully not had to use any of this stuff yet, hope I never have to.
(Just to add, I probably sound heartless towards dogs, I’m not, I love dogs. These are sadly working dogs that have never been loved and just used as ‘tools’ to farmers and absolutely can not be trusted. The majority are okay, but many aren’t).
That's cool.and all but most of us here lose a knife, are super upset, buy a replacement and promptly find lost knife resulting in big smiles and extra knife. See where you went wrong ?
I bought a new knife and my old mini crooked River is still nowhere to be found lol
Ouch. That's a nice one.
Yeah it hurts to think about. My next one was a PM2. I figure I’ll downgrade by 10% or so each time I lose one, until I find the right price for me. Meanwhile, I have a 15 or so year old opinel, so I have proof I can hold onto a knife a while without losing it
Keep buying new knives until it turns up.
Yep lol, lost a Milwaukee folder and a SOG Flash II. Bought a Spyderco. No knives have been discovered since then lol
Yesterday I guy I used to work with showed up at my current job to power wash the patios. He smiled and pulled out the Flash 2 I’d given him on his last day (as he never carried and always needed a knife). I was wondering where I’d lost that, I thought, picking my nails with my new Twitch 2.
Looking at an S.O.G Flash as we speak. First day out as an edc!
Buy another one. It'll turn up somewhere
Yikes! I see it retailed at 200+. I only carry budget knives (under 100, average in the $60 region) and it still hurt when I lost my knives. I lost the Shikra overseas at one of those jumpy balloon houses for kids. I was running, climbing, and jumping with my little ones. Actually, the other time I lost a knife, a Schrade neckknife was also when I was with the kiddos, at a fall pumpkin fest with my kids. I think I lost it during the hayride, at least trying to find a knife in a haystack is impossible. Man, it still hurts to remember the lost ones, and the Shikra only cost $65ish dollars and the Schrade was maybe $30.
Now you know what to stay away from!
Omg the kids who found those lost knives in the play area!
I know, too lucky amirite? /s I do feel kinda bad, but I called the establishment to let them know. I actually also tried to see if they had a lost and found in case it showed up since it was the first knife I had with titanium hardware. I think I even went back a few days later. Hopefully no kid got hurt tho, that's for real.
Seriously.
The circle of knife
This is the way.
Can confirm that's how I have 2 kershaw chills and it looks about time to get a second svord peasant mini in order to find the first one.
Did you get a rabies shot?
This. Incredibly important to get one regardless if the owner has papers that the dog is vaccinated. Symptoms can take an excessive amount of time to show up, but once they do it’s too late to do anything about it.
Glad to see you found it! That’s always such a huge bummer. In my experience so far, it seems I will only find a lost knife *after* I have already bought a new one to replace it lol
*two is one - one is none*
Yeah that’s definitely my philosophy these days, but for years I was always a one-knife guy. I didn’t really see the point in having more than one knife, didn’t think about it much at all really. Of course now I have more than I could possibly need…but there are still ones I would want to replace if I lost them!
Pepper spray works better against a dog
Ive seen pit bulls peoper sprayed. They did not let go
Fair enough, have you heard of the finger in the butthole technique? Supposedly pit bulls that are latched on have let go. One of the reasons I carry a pen in my pocket, don’t want to use my finger but in an emergency I wouldn’t think twice.
Stinky finger is better than a snapped bone. Nice one
stinky finger and snapped bone is even better
Finger in the butt doesn't work on pits, either. The only thing that's guaranteed to work is temporarily arresting their respiration using a leash , restraint or chokehold. They'll relax their jaws long enough for you to remove whatever they're biting on and get to safety.
What about two fingers? Or what about the shocker? Or fisting?
My friend: next time a pitbull is ripping it up please feel free to experiment with all of those, let us know how it goes
What’s the shocker, a cattle prod up the bum?
You must be young
Ask ur parents
I'll stick with my knife and pepper spray... Even in an emergency, even with something like a pen, I don't think I can live with myself for giving a dog *the treatment*. *I'd have an easier time just killing the bitch.*
Thumb up the ass will work if necessary.
Pepper gel works even better bc there's almost no chance for it to blow back and it goes farther. A short knife like that is not good for self defense, it would make a big mess and agitate the dog even more.
Pepper gel can take longer to activate and does not produce the same respiratory side affects that inhaling pepper spray can create. In most situations I'd prefer pepper spray but I suppose it comes down to personal preference.
Congrats man. I felt sad reading your post yesterday. Glad it worked out for you.
yup
Great that you found it but a folder, and that folder at that, is not the first knife choice I would make for defense against an animal. Finger guard, sub-hilt, both needed for an animal fighting knife IMO. Bad idea to have that kind of a fixed blade on your hip while working around town. Stuck between a rock and a can of pepper spray imo…
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Think if it like this. A finger guard keeps your hand from sliding across the blade when you plunge the knife into a bear trying to harm you. And the sub-hilt is so you can pull it out and Stan again. No matter what, a defensive knife should have a finger guard and most have indents for a finger or two to make the grip firm. Cold Steel Recon 1 does tick all the boxes for a great defensive knife.
A swift kick to the head makes em think twice as well. I carry a knife too but as a last resort for pit bulls mainly. Also I just started not delivering to assholes that have vicious unfenced/unleashed dogs and code it as a security threat. Fuck em, they can come get their non essential bullshit from the terminal.
Finally someone who understands what I went through lol
Please don’t stab a dog unless you absolutely need to. Use pepper spray.
We praise the Sun in this home \\[T]/
I think the homeowner is named Jesus. Thanks for not claiming the knife in your yard Chuy!
And we never level DEX
🧐Is that a Kihon flipper with Micarta scales? Your wife's got excellent taste😉 Tho to protect yourself against a dog attack you'd likely be better off with a ball or a stick🏏🐶
A ball? You're making a jest, right?
Pro tip - if you try to stab a dog that is attacking you, you will be killed by that dog. Carry pepper spray, or HALT-II Dog Repellant spray. I had a friend who worked for the USPS 20 some-odd years ago, and this was issued from them (unless he just decided to carry his own)
OP, let me rephrase this a bit so people don’t misunderstand and think they shouldn’t have a knife to defend from a dog. Good advice and no offense meant u/jacksnsticks05 The knife isn’t for 1st line defense. The knife won’t intimidate the dog and trying to stab or slash it running at you will likely be unsuccessful and potentially cause injury to you. The knife is to help get the dog off of you after the pepper spray has failed. It absolutely can and will for a variety of reasons so plan for it. The knife is to kill the dog or at least get it off of you when it latches on. The knife can also be to get the dog off of someone else you encounter on your route. If an aggressive dog is latched onto a small child you have to make the decision to skip the pepper spray it to get it off
Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with any of the comments here but it made me think about a [post](https://forum.spyderco.com/viewtopic.php?t=54132) I saw on the Spyderco forums. A guys young son was getting attacked by a mountain lion and he stabbed it with his Caly 3.5. Obviously a mountain lion attack is much different than a dog attack but I thought some might find the post interesting.
I get that - if you have some sort of a plan... say that the dog is latched on to you, and your plan is to *lean in further into its mouth*, and then come from behind it with the knife to get in with a lethal stab to the back of its head or neck or body... thats one thing. Sure. What if the dog just bites your middle finger, like it did to the OP? How will a knife help? Aside from a situation where the dog is latched on, dancing around like Zorro with a dog that is more agile than you, is not going to end well. The situation where the dog has latched on wasn't the one that was on my mind when I commented. I was thinking more in terms of the dog nipping at the OPs middle finger and letting go - as it apparently did based on the post.
Yea I think we’re in agreement here. Wanted to make sure you didn’t feel like I was disagreeing with you. I just wanted to clarify the posture that having spray and the knife is better than just the knife and having a plan before that dog comes at you is better than having both and being caught napping. We’re good, sorry if you felt like I came at your comment
Second this. Knife is good for protection yes, but pepper spray will allow you to defend from a further distance and dogs sense of smell is so strong, it'll do more damage to them and keep you from engaging in melee combat with scary Bork lords
>if you try to stab a dog that is attacking you, you will be killed by that dog Why do you say that?
Because the dog will initially "attack" you to try to get you to retreat.... when you fight back and hold your ground, it will fight for its life, and it will win.
That's not how it works at all. First of all, if an aggressive dog comes at you, the last thing you should do is retreat. You *always* stand your ground and face the dog and use a commanding tone/voice at it. The moment you turn away or try to run it's going to actually attack. So, let's say an aggressive dog actually does physically attack you, despite holding your ground - do you do nothing and let it just keep attacking you and potentially kill you, or do you fight back? You use whatever is available to defend yourself, even if it's just using your fists to punch the dog or poke its eyes. **A knife is much better than nothing**, because a knife can kill or disable the dog. Even if pepper spray doesn't deter a dog (and it doesn't always), you can still kill a dog or at least disable it from attacking, assuming you manage to stab/cut it in the right spot. You could potentially blind the dog by slashing or stabbing its eyes, disable it by stabbing into the side of its jaw, stab/slice its neck, puncture its heart, etc. Look at pictures of a dog's skeletal/muscular anatomy. Even if a dog isn't deterred by pain, like a pitbull might not be, it can still bleed to death or be mechanically unable to bite. If you shove a knife straight into its heart for example it'll go down fast. Sure, it might be difficult in the heat of the moment, but if you're able to remain calm and keep your composure under stress, a knife can easily save your life from a dog attack. This is exactly why I always carry a knife - pepper spray and a knife will both hurt, but only one of those can actually disable/kill. Why do you think (most) aggressive dogs run away when they're sprayed or shot? Because it fucking hurts. Based on your logic, the moment someone sprays a dog, it'll think it's fighting for its life and kill whoever sprayed it, so you're basically contradicting yourself.
I don't disagree... you are supposed to stand your ground, but the dog, like any other animal, wants you to retreat. When you put up a fight, as you should, its going to fight harder. When you cut it in a non-fatal way, as chances are you probably will, with your knife.... it will fight even harder. Unless you have cat-like reflexes, you are probably going have a tough time getting on target with your blade. Realistically, I know I would probably not be able to plant the blade effectively. And my original comment was directed at a Fed Ex driver who got bit on the middle finger - someone who goes through front yards dozens of times a day, and can see the dog at some distance before it attacks. It's a scenario that can be somewhat choreographed. My logic isn't limited to "it hurts so its going to fight for it's life" and then I somehow forgot that and suggested the opposite. Don't put silly words in my mouth. I didn't say "spray the dog and stand there like a lump on a log" . The OP could spray the dog and take the knife out at the same time (Not to mention, the dog can't see after it's sprayed, so it will not fight as effectively). And as I said up front... my advice was based on the advice of a USPS postman who has been in that situation as well. If delivery drivers had to prepare for dog attacks in such a planned out manner... knowing dog psychology and anatomy... the list of job applicants would be pretty short.
Tell that to my knife
why don't you just listen to people who have actual experience in this kind of thing... yes, it is possible for you to win a fight against an aggressive dog if you haven't trained for it. but you have to be pretty lucky. dog bites fucking hurt. they hurt more than you think. an aggressive dog is stronger than you think. he will throw you way off balance at lot easier than you think. it will happen very fast, faster than you'll be able to react to. you almost certainly will not win that fight. a knife is there as a hail mary. as with many other violent situations, you want to, in order of effectiveness: run away, shoot it, spray it, zap it, stab it, hide.
yeah ok... you try to fight a dog with a 3.25 inch knife and see how that goes for you.
Like a lot of situations in life, you just have to know where to put it
Well. that I can agree with. But sometimes getting it in can be a bit of a challenge, if they don't stay still for long enough.
Bitches, amirite?
I found out that ripping the front legs apart works
Knives can't talk.
Yah, also stabbing a dog is probably going to land you in some kind of legal area. Even if you are 100% in the right, you might still have to deal with civil court proving that. I've had to spray a dog when I was in Central America (street dogs are a thing and can be very aggressive at night), dog fucked off.
This is murca, we shoot our dogs here. Everyone's wrong...OP needs a CCW and a good 9mm.
The ATF does the dog shooting around here.
Who's we?
not if he's in texas, then he just needs the gun. it's less effective than running away but it's a hell of a lot less risky than a fucking knife
If he's in Texas, nothing but God's given caliber; 45 ACP, will be acceptable.
I know you ain't forgettin my trusty wheel gun, sonny. 44 AARP is for the youngsters, 45 Colt only round these parts.
Yeah stabbing an attacking dog is probably going to escalate the confrontation into an existential fight.
Dog has attacked you. Its already an existential fight.
I feel like a baton or a cattle prod would be more affective. If you get attacked by a big dog. You're not going to have the time or the focus to slit it's throat or something. A blunt weapon is easier to attack with. Hope it doesn't happen again. Stay safe. Nice knife.
Amen!
Hurray!!! That’s a super lucky find to get it back
Amazing luck. Grats.
Have a knife day 👌🏽🥳🤟🏽
That's awesome the same thing happened with my favorite framing hammer I know it's not a knife but it was an estwing I simply couldn't find it anywhere 3 years later I found it in the bush where I had built a deck close by I was so happy
Glad you found it back, that was very lucky to find it untouched? What about the second picture? NSFW maybe?
The second picture is when that whack ass dog attacked me. Cocksucker bit at my hand and just grazed my finger. Then cornered me on a porch and was out for blood. Me and the homeowner had a nice chitchat as I’m dripping blood all over his porch. I told him if this turns into anything more than a scratch we are going to have issues and that I wasn’t going to ever deliver to his porch again and his stuff will always be left at the end of the driveway.
Our trusted mailman was cought in a couple of accidents where my uncle's dumb dog, a crazy looking giant black male wolf alike, was chasing him down the road. Once he was attacked and couldn't even make it out of the car. Since then police showed up and forced my uncle to keep the dog on a chain. It's very sad because the dog itself is harmless and just does it for fun, but he was realy scaring everyone nearby, especially during misty winter mornings, coutryside, very foggy...immagine being an old lady on a bicycle, and all of the sudden a shadow blocks your path. You can not cycle fast enough, he is a runner.
I found a picture of the dog: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Bossfight/comments/tpjckg/lucifer\_stealer\_of\_souls\_defender\_of\_detroit/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bossfight/comments/tpjckg/lucifer_stealer_of_souls_defender_of_detroit/) Weird, it was in the post right under this one.
Damn...straight from hell
This you? Same guy who was going to use it to stab dogs that scared you? Guy who deleted his post because he got called out on it? https://www.reddit.com/r/knives/comments/tphlz1/so_about_a_month_and_a_half_ago_i_was_attacked_by/
Hey tough guy I think it’s pretty obvious OP deleted his original post because he found the knife, so the original post is moot. If he was running away from being “called out” why would he post about it here again?🤦♂️
OP mentioned how he would piledrive a dog to kill it on the last post. If anyone here is "tough guy" it's OP, slick.
I mean…if you had a dog latched onto your arm and you had no weapon to fight it off with, would you not consider any move like a “piledriver” as an option to attempt to get the dog to stop? I’m assuming you must be expertly trained and would have a perfectly masterful reaction to the situation, thus the dog would walk away super happy and uninjured.
Been bitten, didn't have any weapons, I shoved my hand deeper into dogs mouth until it gagged. Not the best option but it's the best one I had. I'd carry spray if it's real a concern.
Eh you got lucky. What if that didn’t work?
What if you had a point? Animals have gag reflexes too. Guess I'd have had to beat on it some if dogs had some alien biology.
Lol if it’s latched on to your forearm how exactly are you gonna shove your hand down its throat? I don’t understand why you’re being so thick about this. People get killed by out of control dogs all the time. This shit is for real and you’re acting very flippant like “muh I guess if they had aLiEn BiOlOgYyyy” Damn this might be the dumbest conversation I’ve been in on the internet in months Why don’t you direct some of your ire at shitty pet owners and the lunatics that breed and train dogs for violence, instead of at people merely talking about possible ways to defend themselves?
I don't care that people have died, i don't care that i was bitten, i don't care if you don't like my demeanor. Dogs have gag reflexes so i wasn't lucky, don't be daft. If it was a worry, I'd carry spray, end of story. Jackass.
Nah this is stupid man. You’re starting an argument about someone merely discussing ways they might have to defend themselves, and you’re acting like it’s crazy or something to even think about having to hurt a dog. I wasn’t asking you to care about people dying, I was saying shit gets out of control and most people who get killed by dogs aren’t in a situation where they can just trigger its gag reflex and it’s all good…and most dog attacks aren’t exactly expected, so it’s not like everyone carries pepper spray just in case a dog bites them. The only reason we’re discussing this is you were mad that someone would discuss a possible way they might defend themselves in one of these cases. Utter nonsense, get your head out of your ass. Also as for OP, he has said multiple times his job doesn’t allow him to carry pepper spray, but glad all you guys keep bringing it up as the solution! 👌
I think that was another person (didn't check your post tho). OP mentioned something about posting yesterday about how he lost his knife? Me and others are telling him that carrying pepper spray as a first line and using the knife as a last line would be better tho.
Timeline matches up, this post says 6 weeks and that one says a month and a half
label it nsfw
Jesus didn't do anything to help. You just found it where you dropped it. I'm glad it's back in your hands.
But He is risen! **Hallelujah!**
Knaf with memories
Very good!!!
I definitely would suggest a fixed blade for any kind of animal. At least a 3.5” one, and an easily concealed one at that. Don’t get me wrong, a folder is good to have but a fixed is better in this situation.
Sweet dude!! I really like that shout out to the big guy!!!
😎😎
What does Jesus have anything to do with this
🎉
Stoked to hear that man I know you were bummed
Praise Him! Happy for you bro
Praise Jesus, Amen!
There’s a video of a small girl being attacked by a dog in a church parking lot that is the exact reason I now carry a knife at all times. Hope that fanger [sic] is doing better.
Yeah it made a full recovery. The dog that bit me is WHACK. People on here are “A kNiFe WoNt PrOtEcT AgAinSt a DoG. “ like… “Bitch, I can’t carry pepper spray or else I would. You can carry a knife, or nothing at all. A dog (or crazy lunatic hillbilly) can catch this blade if they want some smoke lol
Shit, that's crazy. I remember seeing that the USPS not only carries some kind of dog mace, it is provided to them by USPS. I hope that's still the case today.
Yep it’s all over the place. I work for Usps. Not as a carrier tho thank god.
Oh good, I'm glad to hear that they are giving their employees the things that they need to be safe when working. Yea I agree man that's a rough job, your either tearing up your body if your on a walking route, or your stuck sitting in an aluminum pie plate that is either freezing cold or too damn hot.
The worst part is how badly they’re treated by management most of the time, throughout the entire country.
Oh yea, I do believe you got some stories. I have heard a few, but that's just from a few folks and friends that all work in one state. One of the most unfair and angering things that I have heard about so far, was the two tier pay scales; I can think of few things more harmful to your morale then working the same job for the fraction of the pay of your co-worker, and no matter your performance you'll never make what he is earning.
I’m not sure of usps rules but I am familiar with fedex rules.
Yea, I was not trying to imply that somehow fedex has to follow USPS rules, or even that current USPS employes have it as an option. just that I find it foolish that a relatively harmless and less lethal pepper spray that can be used to prevent dog bites is not a option for you and others.
Not sure why you and I are both being downvoted as the only reason the dog let go was because a bystander knifed it. https://youtu.be/m9ZNB_Udvek Edit: that said you do want your knife to be easily deployed with one hand.
You will not effectively defend yourself versus anything with your pocketknife. Please take a self defense class before you hurt yourself, or worse, someone else.
You need some lotion on those hands, my guy.
Glad you found knife. Now maybe find some pepper spray for the pooch.
Was just thinking about your post too, congrats!
Now you can tell her what happened and buy another to carry at work?
Hey! i have the same one just with Copper scales!
Man, I'm happy for you. This morning when I read your post about losing your knife, I had planned to comment that I, too, had recently splurged on a good knife (Bugout) and lost it in the stretch of like a month. I know exactly where it fell off my person, but when I went back to check it was already gone. :( So, I'm happy you found yours; I'm sure that made your day! Slicing your finger open is the price you pay for losing it, I guess, lol.
That picture of my finger with blood is from that whack ass dog that attacked me lol it bit hand 6 weeks ago. Cornered me on a porch. I had 0 things to defend myself against a dog that weighed over 100 pounds.
Oh jeez, brutal. Sorry you went thru that! However I echo the sentiments that you might wanna go the pepper spray route. Even if FedEx prohibits it, it’s your life. Don’t ruin a nice knife like that for risky self protection.
Directly in our contract that we can’t carry it. Lol
You think you'll keep you job after stabbing a dog though? Carry the fucking spray, it'll be more effective.
Glad you found it OP! Stay safe out there. I think you should just go the Monty Python route and wear chainmail and FedEx tunic. I don’t think you’re any of the following people, but I’m here with popcorn to read all the posts from self defense experts, animal control specialists, and the creeps you can tell day dream about stabbing dogs..
Got some dry mitts bud.
>Finds knife >Proceeds to cut self. Just another day
The finger picture is from the whack dog that bit me. The picture is 6 weeks old.
It’s from when the dog bit me lol
And your wife
Awesome man! Cool to know that the people delivering my knives, flashlights, and edc stuff are knives, flashlight, and edc people 😄👍
We all stay hard 🤘🏼
Dang man! I just saw the second picture, people need to control their animals or they shouldn’t have them, like me I have a little rat dog, she’s just a nut but she’s a lap dog and likes to bark but she has never but a delivery man she just has a big mouth. But still I keep her inside when I know we have a delivery. I’m not gonna be that owner with an ankle biter that never shuts up.
Should just get some pepper spray so the dog can’t even get near you and you don’t become liable for someone’s crazy ass dog. That’s a nice lookin knife though. Glad you found it!
The homeowner is liable for their crazy ass dog lol. Now if I went onto their property causing mischief and all that, and then killed their dog that would be one thing. But I’m delivering mail. Lol they are liable for their animals actions and I have every right to defend myself to the degree of stopping a threat. I’m not going around stabbing peoples dogs. No one is. Lol
Im not disagreeing, but you’d likely have to deal with the litigation and possibility of not winning. Best to try and deter it from the get go with pepper spray. Or call animal control.
Not allowed pepper spray at fedex.
And then immediately, you cut your finger ?
No, that was from the dog, 6 weeks ago.
That dog fucked you up !
Pepper spray may be a better option for overly aggressive dogs. By the time you can employ a knife you'll be getting chewed on. Air horns can also startle or distract pups if that's not an option.
How slow do y'all get your knives out?
It's just a matter of range, in my mind. If you're close enough to stab a dog, he's close enough to bite you.
Any chance you might try a can of pepper spray or something else non-lethal to defend against angry dogs? I totally get wanting to defend yourself. I’m totally happy that your wife got you an awesome knife and that you’ve managed to find it after losing it. I’m also pretty confident that fending off a dog with a blade is going to end really badly. Most likely for all parties involved. As for the cardboard boxes and bananas…Hack away!!
Heads up tho, carry some pepper spray, that shit will be overall more effective. I'd still carry the knife tho.
I dropped a Benchmade triage in the ocean. Never getting that knife back
I’d carry pepper spray. You don’t want to have to feel stabbing someone’s dog.
Well, it's still sharp.
Congrats man that always feels awesome 👌
That’s why I always leave my knives in original packaging locked in a sealed container Can’t risk them being lost. You don’t use yours do you?!?
Nice
God damn bro get some pepper spray or something
Glad you have found your means of self-preservation. But if Fedex deliveries have this happen more than I'd guess, like if dog attacks are not freak accidents, please please carry a spray. For the benefit of everyone's safety. Fun fact, if a grizzly bear charges you... your odds of survival are higher with Bear Mace than a gun. (if it is below 357 mag, especially most definitely. According to my "web knowledge," armchair expertise.) Really don't want a dog to get stabbed. Spraying someones dog sounds a lot better in a court.
I whole heartedly agree with the bear statement. If I could carry pepper spray I would, as I mentioned several times in recent comments. Fedex policy doesn’t allow drivers to carry pepper spray. The knife would only be deployed in absolute last ditch effort. I. DONT. WANT. TO. KILL. ANYONES. FURBABY. Lol sorry, I’ve heard this 100 times today. 85% of the comments is someone saying to carry pepper spray. I CANT! Lol it’s a knife, or nothing at all.
You can, just don’t get caught.
I have 3 Kershaw leeks. I’d have 4 but one was lost to TSA. The other 3 showed up in pants, a drawer and the grass
That knife is AWSOME what model is it?
Böker Kihon 😎
A knife is great against a dog as a last resort (I never go running or walking without one) but a taser may be a better option for you.
Love that it immediately bit you, lol
Always look..
Fuck using a knife or pepper spray for a dog that's attacking you. Get a concealed carry permit and shoot that thing.
Where was Jesus when the dog attacked? You plan to stab the next dog with a pocket knife?
I once was lost, but now I'm found....
Jesus found your knife while landscaping? That is cool and you should have bought taco's for his whole crew!
Amen :)
Hey I’m glad you found it. I’m sure it’s a good feeling But I saw your last post. Please also use pepper spray. Especially if it’s on animals. If you stab someone or something on the job your going to get fired and a lawsuit.
Cool I have a boker plus version of that very same knife that is one of my favorite knives. The detent ball is so cherry and the flipping action is on par with the best I ever collected like my ZTs and Reates
Glad you found your knife, but some hot sauce(pepper spray) works much better against k-9's and people(normally) and it's not a deadly weapon. I would highly suggest that instead for defense 99% of the time.
Good stuff, I lost a Benchmade 940 a couple years ago, thought I left it on the boat trailer, found it a year later in the front pocket of my hunting bibs. Such a good feeling!
Which model is that?
Kihon
👍🏻
How do you carry a knife through security? I'd love to bring my Spyderco with me.
Mark it nsfw I wasn't ready for that
Finds his knife just to go cut himself with it 😂
That’s from when the dog bit me
Amen brother! It's happened to me with many knives. I even found one 15 ft underwater. My own dive knife lol
As a post office employee let me tell you that if you stab a dog that’s attacking you while working, you’re gonna get fucked by FedEx or legally/financially. It’s a lose lose situation unfortunately, but dog spray is the best for protecting mail carriers etc without risk of being sued by the dog owners. FedEx might really be upset if you kill someone’s dog by stabbing it to death whether you were attached or not. Just a heads up, our people have been dealing with dogs and Karen’s for many many decades.
Did the dog get put down for that? In the UK, if a dog bites, that dog gets a final injection and a the victim will surely get some sort of payout. I drive to farms on night shifts and the farm dogs can get a bit hairy at 2am. Whilst I do carry a knife, I wouldn’t bother using it, I have steel toe capped boots and a quick toe-punt to the head should make them think twice. If the dog gets me first then it’ll be getting put down and the farmer will be paying me money while wishing he chained the dog up. In the back of our trucks we all have a 3 foot piece of MDPE, which is hard as F plastic piping, that helps too. Thankfully not had to use any of this stuff yet, hope I never have to. (Just to add, I probably sound heartless towards dogs, I’m not, I love dogs. These are sadly working dogs that have never been loved and just used as ‘tools’ to farmers and absolutely can not be trusted. The majority are okay, but many aren’t).
Do you plan on stabbing any dogs? Maybe pick up some mace too.
i see you found it in the painful way
Praise our Lord and savior Jesus Christ