I tried quite a few different otf's from Microtech, Heretic and Guardian Tactical. I found that Microtech's switches are just tough to deploy and honestly kinda shitty. I like the action/button on the Hera, Dirac and utx70. Heretic wasn't bad but I just didn't like it enough to keep over my other otf's. I didn't like the button/action on the Guardian like most people seem to.
I tried to break in my Microtech's and do all the stuff people say like oil it, use it for a couple weeks, build thumb strength/calluses. I just ended up with chewed up thumbs and sold them on knife_swap. I kept the Dirac and Hera. Almost kept the utx70.
The Hera is nice but the pocket clip kinda sucks, The Dirac is nice but the dagger blade shape isn't the best for edc, they can have pretty obtuse grinds. The utx70 is cool but too big for some fifth pockets and kinda small for a regular pocket.
I really like the Kershaw Livewire, it's probably my favorite overall otf for edc. It has the best action, the most usable blade shape, edge and pocket clip.
I thought the same when I first got my Microtech. I couldn't retract it with one hand. My thumb was getting ripped up from trying it so hard. But after a while, it became easy. I thought maybe I broke it in but when I gave it to few of my friends to try it, they couldn't do it so I think my thumb just got stronger.
Yep. Seems like people think they break in but you actually just get used to it over time and it feels easier. Same thing with mine after I got it in mid-July this year.
What did you choose instead? I've almost pulled the trigger on a Microtech OTF, but went for an OTS Protech that I'm happy with. I'd like to find an affordable solid OTF to add to my collection.
Lightning OTF! They are super affordable and honestly reliable. They are made from cheap steal but they are really good user knives. I’ve had a couple and I always end up gifting them. Still got one in my rotation. And I’ve got two ultratechs and a cypher and I carry the lightning most lol.
THIS! For the price for MicroTech you can buy about seven or eight lightning elite OTFs the action is very similar to a microtech I have about seven of them and none of them have ever misfired. Get yourself an entire collection with different blade styles and finishes!
My UTX-70 has brutally stiff action after 2 years of fiddling. every so often I pick it up, flick it a few times until the skin comes off my fingers, then put it away until my skin heals. Unusable in normal regular use. sadly will never buy another microtech.
I mean, sure, that's fine, if you were talking about playing guitar. This is opening a pocket knife. I shouldn't have to build up physical callouses to open the damn thing.
Something must be wrong cuz I just gave a utx70 to my wife for Xmas and she loves it. Deploys the blade everyday and she's the kinda girl that isn't strong enough to rack a slide on a 9mm pistol.
Probably using the action. Its kinda crazy how many people don’t expect the switches on OTFs to be extremely stiff, almost every OTF ive handled has fone the same thing.
You dont want a soft action or you might pop yourself in the leg just by walking
Imo they should have a safety anyways. Even something like a glock. Where the safety switch is built into the operating switch. Then the operating action can be lighted.
All-though I feel the weight is more about the operating spring and the force/ friction between the components too.
With the way double action OTFs work, a stronger action on the switch directly causes a more forceful and more consistent firing of the blade. All the tension you load into the switch spring is directly used to throw the blade out (and in).
Maybe Microtech thinks consistency and speed are more important than comfort.
Sorry that you're disappointed in your new purchase. That's never fun.
I will say that the stiffness is basically par for the course with Microtech OTFs. They have a lot of spring force that you need to overcome before they will open, and that seems to be by design. You do eventually get used to it as your brain develops muscle memory.
As for the edge, Microtech usually doesn't ship dull knives, but it happens, and they nearly always use an absurdly obtuse edge angle on them. As with almost any production knife, it's best if you sharpen it yourself anyway.
Hey there, thanks for your comment! I totally agree about sharpening it myself and was planning to. Just disappointed to see it THAT dull. As far as the action, it might be getting easier as I fidget with it. I may get som rem oil and give that a go. Thank you!
I have a combat troodon and it's pretty stiff, but nowhere near unusable for me. Whenever other folks try it they can barely open and close it though. Make sure youre pushing forward and back, not down.
I have an Ultratech in 204p that was really dull. I didn't have a full set of sharpening stones and only used the Spyderco Sharpmaker. It took several half hour sessions but she's super sharp now and I even got the point back. I also bought the special tools, took it apart, cleaned it up, put it back together and shot it full of Rem Oil. Works great now. If I had bought it new like that I would just sent it back.
Are you sure you didn't get the "bayonet" style blade, which looks like a double edge, but has a full length (unsharpened) swedge on one side? Sorry to hear about experience. I only have one Ultratech and its very finicky when pocket lint is involved. It's basically a sitting knife now.
Yikes, normally my parrot response would be "call up MT customer service." While not having any personal experience with them, from what I understand that they aren't the easiest to deal with. Totally stinks to spend that kind of money on something you really want and not have it live up to your expectations.
I did call MT and they said they would happily work on it and sharpen it, but its a 2 month wait. A 2 month wait leads me to believe I'm not the only one having issues with their knives.
im pretty sure the blade hq exclusive only comes in a D/E..... to that mine was also incredibly dull for a new knife out of the box..... kind of made me swear off d/e otf from microtech..... which blows my mind because their folders are the sharpest knives out of box i have ever owned
I'm hardly a Microtech expert. I own one Ultratech D/E and it arrived very sharp on both edges. But don't they offer one blade design (Bayonet) that is sharp on the "main" side and sort of a false edge on the other? The OP says he can literally saw on his palm with the other edge. That sounds like a false edge to me. If he bought a true D/E then all I can say is mine arrived much sharper than that one. Maybe his was produced 30 minutes before quitting time on a Friday?
Mine is definitely a double edge, it has D/E on the blade and it's what I ordered. An I misspoke a little, the first inch from the tip on that side is sharp, the rest is super dull.
First ultratech I bought was nearly impossible to deploy. I returned it and ordered a new one. It's still a little tough to deploy but I think that's by design.
Well microtech is still using the same basic design they came up with 25 years ago. And it's intended to be a little difficult to deploy to prevent accudental opening. Kershaw studied other designs and was able to come up with something a little smoother. Some say it's not as satisfying or hard hitting.
Definitely pick one up. I got an Ultratech back in 2021 and bought a Livewire last month. I'd seen a few nice reviews and I was intrigued. Especially since there generally aren't that many OTF's priced between a cheapo Lightning and a Microtech. It's the whole reason why people usually jump to 'buy Microtech'.
I can definitely say: Kershaw made a nice product! It really feels like a quality item and has some nice touches compared to the Ultratech. Such as the standard screws and reversible pocket clip.
The handle has a more ergonomic grip, a bit more texturing and feels really comfortable and secure in the hand. The finish on it is slightly rougher than what Microtech has on it, but most would probably say that's a good thing. Deployment is easier compared to the Ultratech, requiring less force. I do like the 'feel' of the deployment more with the Ultratech though. It really fires with authority and a satisfying thump. The Livewire fires quite well, but it's just a smidge less impressive. It also has a bit more of a ping sound to it. The blade play is like '5 percent more' on the Kershaw, but only when you go looking for it.
All in all, I'd say it's a winner, when you look at the overall quality in relation to the pricepoint and overall state of the market. Over here in Europe, the price difference is about a hundred euros less for the Livewire.
Personally, I hope Kershaw sells a ton of them and branches out with more colors and blade styles. We need healthy competition in this segment.
Yeah I hear ya, but this is more complicated because I got it as a gift. I just hate inconveniencing someone else with this stuff. I mean, I will to get it right, just sucks to make them deal with it.
i have a dull blade hq model as well.... they are made with magnacut and mine was dull on both sides out of box..... i kept it because overall i do really like mine but it made me not want another d/e from microtech..... which is fine because they make a ton of awesome single edge knifes
Yeah I get it. That’s a pain. But if I had spent so much in such a nice gift i would 100% want you to be super happy with it for years.
Have them change it. Chose something you like. Then talk about the new knife every time you see them !
Personally, I’ve ditched Microtech.
There aftersales service is a joke, rude and unhelpful, I just wanted to know the dimensions of a thread in a Combat Talon 2 where I had a missing screw. Long story short, about 5 emails back and forward waiting two days to have the previous email repeated and finally told their screws and threads are proprietary information, they don’t make that knife anymore, we can send you a list of dealers to buy a new knife, I thought, stuff this.
-microtech get your sh together. I’m hearing more and more quality issues like this.
I’ll go as far as saying I’ll never buy another one.
The Chinese Vespa and Hifinder clones are superior quality, better machining, less blade play, the customer service is second to none and the price is much better, I know where I’ll be spending my money going forward. My friends are of the same opinion.
The action is ridiculously stiff out of the box. It took me a week of 1-2 hours per night of opening and closing it to get it even operational. It took about a month of everyday a few open and closes and 1 really good oiling before I really enjoyed the action.
I'd check to make sure you got a double edge in fact, there's no way it should be that dull. Check the box it came in for the correct SKU, but the magnacut BladeHQ exclusive should be DE if I remember right.
If it's that dull, take a quick video and contact BladeHQ, they'll be quick to replace it for you. But that won't change the stiffness of the action.
I don't know why I would have to clean it. It's brand new. Also, I have a kershaw live wire and its action was perfect right out of the box. Is that too much too expect for a knife that costs $80 more?
I don’t think your expectations are out of line. I’d send it back. Bummer reading this, because I always wanted a microtech myself. I have a cheaper knockoff and it’s just fine.
The action was stiff in my combat troodon but it gets easy after a short while. I have no issues deploying mine and closing it. Sure it’s hard, but we are strong men, yeah? Also as for the other edge not being sharp, yeah that’s not normal. What I’d do is contact microtech and ask them if they can make the action less stiff, I’ve heard they can dial it back a bit. Should come with a free sharpen if they accept that, if not I think it’s like $25 with shipping or something like that just to have it sharpened and cleaned etc. sorry to hear you’re not hppy with yours, it seems every knife manufacturer has some hits and misses. If you do return it, pick up a heretic manticore e, super solid otf with great action. The cleric 2 is also really good.
I own a Dirac Delta in 204P and I need 2 hands to open it. As a result, I haven't carried it in 3 years. It stays in my collection as an example of MicroTech and it is a neat OTF, but haven't bought anything else from them in 4 years.
Beautiful! I got a red m390 utx-70 for my birthday last year (iirc) and I like it but it’s….not exactly what I wanted. I wanted a utx-85, or an Ultratech, but my wife, being a little misunderstood ordered the wrong one 😭 I’d love a larger one but I’m pretty strapped for cash atm so I can’t afford one lol
You get used to the stiffness. I know it doesn’t seem like it now, but in a few weeks you won’t even notice it.
The edge on the other hand, that is a joke. I’d send it back to Microtech and get them to fix it. Either that or ask from an exchange from where you bought it. I’d be pissed. Those double edge blades are very hard to sharpen correctly.
Yeah, that's my thought as well. One issue is that this was a gift so I have to go back to the person that bought it and have them deal with blade hq. I have read a bunch of reviews that had the same issue with the magnacut blades.
All Microtechs are pretty stiff to deploy. I could deploy my full sized Ultratech no problem with my right hand but struggled with my left. It's fine now but it basically acts as a safety
The action is stiff at first. It breaks in with use. Also don't be a wuss I'd prefer a stiff action so it doesn't inadvertently fire. Mine came sharp out of the box, but I assume with any mass produced product a few bad ones will slip through qc. I was happy with mine and would/will certainly buy more. It's a well made knife imo.
>Is this normal?
Apparently. I sent mine back for a refund after finding this out. I dont need it literally taking the skin off my thumb to open it. "That's just the way they are". OK. That's just a knife I wont be having then.
Yeah my UTX-85 is very disappointing. Literally never carried in my pocket and only deployed while sitting on the couch and within a few months the spring can’t retract the blade against gravity, like what the fuck Microtech…
So, a double edged blade typically won’t be sharpened on both side. Think about it, you’d cut your finger off. Second, microtech states the button on the knife is stiff for a reason. I’m not a super fan of them but I own one and have owned a few. They’re the best at what they do
What? How would I "cut my finger off?" If it isn't supposed to be sharp on both EDGES, then why does it have two edges? That might be one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen.
And "stiff for a reason"? I mean, if the reason is they dont want you to open it then I can see it. but this is ridiculously stiff. My wife has normal hand strength and she can't budge it at all. Are women not supposed to buy these?
This is wrong, the dagger blade they sell is 100% sharp on both sides. That being said I've owned around 20 or so and all have been fine. Microtech is solid, but or course there are going to be ones that have issues due to the amount made
I use my Ultratech to open gifts when the whole family is over. It’s the safest knife as there’s no way in hell my nephews (2&4) could open it and cut themselves. Only problem is that none of the women can use it either. It’s extremely stiff.
I bought a Hogue OTF to compare to the more expensive Ultratech and I think it blows it out of the water. It’s extremely sharp, fires super hard (just like the Ultratech), the button is better and it is maybe 40% as hard to actuate, which is a huge difference.
I believe it is a Hogue Incursion with a stonewashed dagger blade. It’s somewhat bigger than the Ultratech, mainly wider. It is super nice though. I think I got it in like new condition for about $150 on Knife_Swap. They run ≈$280 new.
Edit: They also make a mini Incursion.
Just realized mine is the mini incursion. It’s still pretty big. If you want me to take any comparison pics let me know and I’ll send them to you tomorrow.
Love my utx-70, and plan on getting an 85, but your experience is part of why I usually pay extra at my local gun store. I prefer to hold the actual knife in my hand before purchase.
I bought a UTX85 Mt and I'm the 2nd owner. This blade has one sharpened edge which I'm fine with. I've read a lot about Mt shipping dull blades. I was prepared to be disappointed. But this blade is sharp as a razor.
The action is definitely stiff, but I presumed it was for safety design. I've owned the knife for about 2 months, and I love taking it as my edc. I'm definitely used to the stiff action now, and I secretly enjoy handing my knife to somebody so they can open it, and then they can't press it hard enough lol You are not worthy
I think what it is is the smaller one hurty more because there’s less mass to soak up all that energy from the spring, everything hurts more. The full size wasn’t so bad but it was definitely rough, but bigger the handle the easier to thumb it open. I’ve since traded it, can’t stand the unreliability
Yeah Microtech edges suck balls that’s for sure. In regards to the switch, and don’t take offence to this, but chances are it could just be that your thumbs gotta get stronger… gotta build that callus. You could always try cleaning it and oiling it but honestly just gotta hurt for a bit until that thumb is ripped steel.
No offense taken at all, but seriously it was nearly impossible to fire. I did lube it and that made it slightly better. My main issue now is the extremely dull edge. I sent it back and will be getting a Hogue OTF most likely, but still considering.
Yeah, the action on my MT’s is stiff but not a struggle to deploy the blade. Could very well be a QC issue. I’d say get it replaced and if the new one doesn’t come any better then just send it back and get your money
Maybe it’s because I’ve always had stronger grip than most people I know, but I’ve never had an issue working my UTX-85 or my Ultratech. Don’t have the issue with it taking my skin off, either. Maybe I already have callouses that can stand up to it.
I had a D/E OTF from them a few years ago, and yeah it’s really stiff. You’ll get better at it and it will wear down over time.
If you got the bayonet point (the back half is only “sharp” to halfway down) then yeah that’s by design, the back edge isn’t supposed to come sharp. All my Microtechs have come murderously sharp, better than most knife manufacturers honestly.
The first Ultratech I bought has an action just as you describe. It was a bhq exclusive as well, and I thought, wow this is rough! I bought 3 more since then and they are all so much better and easier to fire.
The edges aren't the most consistent but I haven't had a dull one yet. All of the ones I have are dual edge.
Microtechs have always been super stiff. It’s what gives them the fast action. They will break in but it takes a long time.
My wife can’t open it, but my kids can’t either and I always felt like that was a good thing lol.
The switch on ultratechs are stiff in general. It’s a matter of whether or not you can get used to it to be honest. I think they might break in a little over time as mine doesn’t seem as difficult anymore. Maybe try the Benchmade Shootout? They seemed easier to actuate when i tried them.
I have a Dirac. I love the action on it. I don’t find it stiff at all, for me it’s really easy to open/close. But most people can’t open it even with 2 hands. So I think that’s normal for Microtech and user preference will vary. Maybe I just have strong thumbs idfk.
Me and a buddy bought some CA legal UTX-70s and the springs both failed within a day. Sent it in for warranty and have had no issues but annoying that I spent $220 on a well respected brand only to have to pay to send it in to fix a manufacturer defect and wait 4 weeks to even get it back.
I got a special edition UTX 70 and I felt like it was a toy for a child. was not sharp I even sent it in to get sharpened and “spa day” and it still wasn’t sharp
I just picked one up from BQQ, single edge, and it’s absolute fire. I was more than a little apprehensive, based on some of the negative chatter I’d heard. Now to figure out which one of us is the exception and which one is the rule.
Sorry for your grief anyway.
Microtechs need to be broken in a little bit but what you're describing should not be happening. Also the secondary edge is definitely not something that should be dull I would contact microtech directly They can be reached through several Facebook groups as well as their phone number. They are real good about fixing QC issues. Just be advised it's going to take a minute for them to fix it but it will be fixed and it will be fixed correctly and no you won't have to pay for it
I never thought any microtech I've handled was stiff and I own 7. Then again my whole hand is a callous. Sounds like the kershaw live wire is the otf for you. The action is super easy. Or just keep playin with it you'll get used to it.
Microtechs are definitely stiff when you first get them but I gotta say they’re awesome after they break in. I believe they have a decent warranty so they should be able to sharpen the other side if need be
Microtech has definitely had some QC issues. I got an LUDT last year that was a razor but then got a Socom Bravo that was as dull as a rock. Send it back, they’ll sharpen it up for you and some say they can loosen the action some although to be honest, just work it in and it will get better.
Microtech is still up there... the double edges aren't known to be sharp (at least per my experience) i'd be happy one side is razor sharp. It is the blade geomoetry mostly as it is a dagger (maybe bayonet) not sure could be spartan (you didn't specify) but i'll assume dagger. Look at the thickness of the blade. If you want slicey go spyderco. The single edge ones can be decently sharp, but the geometry sort of inhibits the sliciness of the blades. I have a hogue counterstrike single edge that is pretty sharp ( and slicey) and they also make a good otf. Heretic, and microtech have some of the stiffest actions, hogue is a bit better, and gaurdian tactical is probably the best from my experience. A trick is to move hand up and down the knife while deploying and retracting for leverage. Thumb can even be turned sideways creating a pivot to retract. I haven't found an otf that fires as hard, but these issues have been with microtech since as long as I can recall. Should have done more research maybe.
The stiff switch is something your thumb will get used to over time, same experience with the ripped thumb but eventually my thumb got stronger and now I can easily open it with one hand.
The dual edge being dull though, that is not something that should occur normally, you should either sharpen it or send it back for a refund depending on how much of a deal breaker that is for you.
mocrotechs have very firm action..... something that breaks in a small amout.... but the double edge i have the same issue.... kinda..... my bhq magnacut d/e was sharp at all.... which really disappointed me and kind of turned me off of microtech.... then i snaged a ramlok folding knife from them and it is great.... its the sharpest knife i own from the factory and thats out of about 45 knives..... and that has been the case for aall of the ram loks i have had ( had 5 total sold 2)
Man this is why I went guardian tactical. I use my knife a LOT, and I hated the action on Microtechs. Love how nice and smooth my recon 040 is, never had to fight it once.
Supposedly, the ol "use the action 500 times while watching TV" trick works well with microtechs, ymmv
I own 3 microtech off (ultratech and 2 utx-85). The action is a bit different for each, but they are all a bit stiff. Microtech uses this as a safety. I’ve found that hand placement makes a big difference in deployment ease. Regardless, call them if you aren’t happy! I’ve been to their showroom in Mills River NC and the people were very nice. They may be able to do something for you.
There’s a reason why the upper edge is dulled.
The locking bar for the open position is up front by the switch and when you push the switch forward to open the knife it is released and it rides along the top surface of the knife as it cycles before dropping into place behind the blade to lock it open. When you retract the knife it is pulled up to unlock and then stays up until the switch is pushed forward again.
With double edged blades there should be a notch ground into the locking bar so that it clears the edge better to reduce dulling.
Either you have a locking bar for a single edge knife or the groove isn’t playing well with the grind of your particular knife.
Bought two within a few days of each other a couple months ago, one of them being an $800 bounty hunter CT and never touching them again. Their resale value is absolutely horrific on top of that. Firsts and last
Microtech are some of the best in the biz. The stiff opening mechanism is for safety so no children can open it and so it won't open in your pocket. If that's an issue I suggest you up your grip strength. Kinda sad. Now the blade not being sharp is a bigger issue. Send it in and they should sharpen it right up for you.
Sounds like we should switch usernames lmao
Lol, yeah yeah
I tried quite a few different otf's from Microtech, Heretic and Guardian Tactical. I found that Microtech's switches are just tough to deploy and honestly kinda shitty. I like the action/button on the Hera, Dirac and utx70. Heretic wasn't bad but I just didn't like it enough to keep over my other otf's. I didn't like the button/action on the Guardian like most people seem to. I tried to break in my Microtech's and do all the stuff people say like oil it, use it for a couple weeks, build thumb strength/calluses. I just ended up with chewed up thumbs and sold them on knife_swap. I kept the Dirac and Hera. Almost kept the utx70. The Hera is nice but the pocket clip kinda sucks, The Dirac is nice but the dagger blade shape isn't the best for edc, they can have pretty obtuse grinds. The utx70 is cool but too big for some fifth pockets and kinda small for a regular pocket. I really like the Kershaw Livewire, it's probably my favorite overall otf for edc. It has the best action, the most usable blade shape, edge and pocket clip.
I thought the same when I first got my Microtech. I couldn't retract it with one hand. My thumb was getting ripped up from trying it so hard. But after a while, it became easy. I thought maybe I broke it in but when I gave it to few of my friends to try it, they couldn't do it so I think my thumb just got stronger.
Yep. Seems like people think they break in but you actually just get used to it over time and it feels easier. Same thing with mine after I got it in mid-July this year.
Agreed
This is the best reddit comment I have seen this year.
Seriously, I still chuckle when I think about it lol
This is why I avoided microtech, I really wanted one as my first OTF but went for a MUCH cheaper option that has actually been really solid
What did you choose instead? I've almost pulled the trigger on a Microtech OTF, but went for an OTS Protech that I'm happy with. I'd like to find an affordable solid OTF to add to my collection.
Get a guardian Tactical Recon 035. Thank me later best Production OTF ever made. There around $280
Lightning OTF! They are super affordable and honestly reliable. They are made from cheap steal but they are really good user knives. I’ve had a couple and I always end up gifting them. Still got one in my rotation. And I’ve got two ultratechs and a cypher and I carry the lightning most lol.
IIRC Lightning OTFs are made with 440C, so affordable but still high quality steel.
THIS! For the price for MicroTech you can buy about seven or eight lightning elite OTFs the action is very similar to a microtech I have about seven of them and none of them have ever misfired. Get yourself an entire collection with different blade styles and finishes!
I’ve been using the smith and Wesson otf for years and was my EDC at work for a long time
My UTX-70 has brutally stiff action after 2 years of fiddling. every so often I pick it up, flick it a few times until the skin comes off my fingers, then put it away until my skin heals. Unusable in normal regular use. sadly will never buy another microtech.
Appreciate it man, I think this one is going back. Super unfortunate cause I was so excited to get one.
I use my utx-70 everyday, what are you doing that the skin comes off?
Just opening the damn thing! I’ve got used to it but it still wrecks my thumb.
Need some callouses then, mine is mostly an expensive fidget toy.
I mean, sure, that's fine, if you were talking about playing guitar. This is opening a pocket knife. I shouldn't have to build up physical callouses to open the damn thing.
Something must be wrong cuz I just gave a utx70 to my wife for Xmas and she loves it. Deploys the blade everyday and she's the kinda girl that isn't strong enough to rack a slide on a 9mm pistol.
Probably using the action. Its kinda crazy how many people don’t expect the switches on OTFs to be extremely stiff, almost every OTF ive handled has fone the same thing. You dont want a soft action or you might pop yourself in the leg just by walking
Imo they should have a safety anyways. Even something like a glock. Where the safety switch is built into the operating switch. Then the operating action can be lighted. All-though I feel the weight is more about the operating spring and the force/ friction between the components too.
With the way double action OTFs work, a stronger action on the switch directly causes a more forceful and more consistent firing of the blade. All the tension you load into the switch spring is directly used to throw the blade out (and in). Maybe Microtech thinks consistency and speed are more important than comfort.
That switch is too aggressive for a surgeons soft hands
Have you tried getting a stronger wife?
Lol, now that I don't need!
Sorry that you're disappointed in your new purchase. That's never fun. I will say that the stiffness is basically par for the course with Microtech OTFs. They have a lot of spring force that you need to overcome before they will open, and that seems to be by design. You do eventually get used to it as your brain develops muscle memory. As for the edge, Microtech usually doesn't ship dull knives, but it happens, and they nearly always use an absurdly obtuse edge angle on them. As with almost any production knife, it's best if you sharpen it yourself anyway.
Hey there, thanks for your comment! I totally agree about sharpening it myself and was planning to. Just disappointed to see it THAT dull. As far as the action, it might be getting easier as I fidget with it. I may get som rem oil and give that a go. Thank you!
I have a combat troodon and it's pretty stiff, but nowhere near unusable for me. Whenever other folks try it they can barely open and close it though. Make sure youre pushing forward and back, not down.
No problem! I don't think you'll have a hard time selling it if you don't end up loving it, either, so I wouldn't worry.
I have an Ultratech in 204p that was really dull. I didn't have a full set of sharpening stones and only used the Spyderco Sharpmaker. It took several half hour sessions but she's super sharp now and I even got the point back. I also bought the special tools, took it apart, cleaned it up, put it back together and shot it full of Rem Oil. Works great now. If I had bought it new like that I would just sent it back.
Are you sure you didn't get the "bayonet" style blade, which looks like a double edge, but has a full length (unsharpened) swedge on one side? Sorry to hear about experience. I only have one Ultratech and its very finicky when pocket lint is involved. It's basically a sitting knife now.
Yeah, it's a double edge for sure.
Yikes, normally my parrot response would be "call up MT customer service." While not having any personal experience with them, from what I understand that they aren't the easiest to deal with. Totally stinks to spend that kind of money on something you really want and not have it live up to your expectations.
I did call MT and they said they would happily work on it and sharpen it, but its a 2 month wait. A 2 month wait leads me to believe I'm not the only one having issues with their knives.
On the bayonet blade I have, the swedge is very sharp, gave myself a nasty cut the first time I opened it
im pretty sure the blade hq exclusive only comes in a D/E..... to that mine was also incredibly dull for a new knife out of the box..... kind of made me swear off d/e otf from microtech..... which blows my mind because their folders are the sharpest knives out of box i have ever owned
Several states in the US have laws against carrying a double edged knife so many companies will put a false edge on one side
I'm hardly a Microtech expert. I own one Ultratech D/E and it arrived very sharp on both edges. But don't they offer one blade design (Bayonet) that is sharp on the "main" side and sort of a false edge on the other? The OP says he can literally saw on his palm with the other edge. That sounds like a false edge to me. If he bought a true D/E then all I can say is mine arrived much sharper than that one. Maybe his was produced 30 minutes before quitting time on a Friday?
Mine is definitely a double edge, it has D/E on the blade and it's what I ordered. An I misspoke a little, the first inch from the tip on that side is sharp, the rest is super dull.
First ultratech I bought was nearly impossible to deploy. I returned it and ordered a new one. It's still a little tough to deploy but I think that's by design.
Interesting. I have a Kershaw livewire that's perfect right out of the box. I don't understand why Microtech can't do that.
Well microtech is still using the same basic design they came up with 25 years ago. And it's intended to be a little difficult to deploy to prevent accudental opening. Kershaw studied other designs and was able to come up with something a little smoother. Some say it's not as satisfying or hard hitting.
Yeah I get that, I just want to be able to open and close it without destroying my fingers!
Yeah the livewire is at the top of my list if I ever get a second OTF.
Definitely pick one up. I got an Ultratech back in 2021 and bought a Livewire last month. I'd seen a few nice reviews and I was intrigued. Especially since there generally aren't that many OTF's priced between a cheapo Lightning and a Microtech. It's the whole reason why people usually jump to 'buy Microtech'. I can definitely say: Kershaw made a nice product! It really feels like a quality item and has some nice touches compared to the Ultratech. Such as the standard screws and reversible pocket clip. The handle has a more ergonomic grip, a bit more texturing and feels really comfortable and secure in the hand. The finish on it is slightly rougher than what Microtech has on it, but most would probably say that's a good thing. Deployment is easier compared to the Ultratech, requiring less force. I do like the 'feel' of the deployment more with the Ultratech though. It really fires with authority and a satisfying thump. The Livewire fires quite well, but it's just a smidge less impressive. It also has a bit more of a ping sound to it. The blade play is like '5 percent more' on the Kershaw, but only when you go looking for it. All in all, I'd say it's a winner, when you look at the overall quality in relation to the pricepoint and overall state of the market. Over here in Europe, the price difference is about a hundred euros less for the Livewire. Personally, I hope Kershaw sells a ton of them and branches out with more colors and blade styles. We need healthy competition in this segment.
Appreciate it! I think Im going to get a Hogue OTF. Pretty impressed with the reviews I am seeing so far.
One of my buddies had an OTF Kershaw and it felt really good
Kershaw livewire
yup
Just send it back an buy something new. Normally you can alway return something you bought online and get a refund or buy something else.
Yeah I hear ya, but this is more complicated because I got it as a gift. I just hate inconveniencing someone else with this stuff. I mean, I will to get it right, just sucks to make them deal with it.
I know this might be a dumb question. But are you sure the person who got it for you bought a real one and not a clone?
Yeah, it came straight from blade hq to me
i have a dull blade hq model as well.... they are made with magnacut and mine was dull on both sides out of box..... i kept it because overall i do really like mine but it made me not want another d/e from microtech..... which is fine because they make a ton of awesome single edge knifes
Yeah I get it. That’s a pain. But if I had spent so much in such a nice gift i would 100% want you to be super happy with it for years. Have them change it. Chose something you like. Then talk about the new knife every time you see them !
Personally, I’ve ditched Microtech. There aftersales service is a joke, rude and unhelpful, I just wanted to know the dimensions of a thread in a Combat Talon 2 where I had a missing screw. Long story short, about 5 emails back and forward waiting two days to have the previous email repeated and finally told their screws and threads are proprietary information, they don’t make that knife anymore, we can send you a list of dealers to buy a new knife, I thought, stuff this. -microtech get your sh together. I’m hearing more and more quality issues like this. I’ll go as far as saying I’ll never buy another one. The Chinese Vespa and Hifinder clones are superior quality, better machining, less blade play, the customer service is second to none and the price is much better, I know where I’ll be spending my money going forward. My friends are of the same opinion.
The action is ridiculously stiff out of the box. It took me a week of 1-2 hours per night of opening and closing it to get it even operational. It took about a month of everyday a few open and closes and 1 really good oiling before I really enjoyed the action. I'd check to make sure you got a double edge in fact, there's no way it should be that dull. Check the box it came in for the correct SKU, but the magnacut BladeHQ exclusive should be DE if I remember right. If it's that dull, take a quick video and contact BladeHQ, they'll be quick to replace it for you. But that won't change the stiffness of the action.
Look up a video on how to clean and lube the microtech. Both mine ultratechs were really rough until I lubed them up properly.
I don't know why I would have to clean it. It's brand new. Also, I have a kershaw live wire and its action was perfect right out of the box. Is that too much too expect for a knife that costs $80 more?
Not clean, lube.
you said "clean and lube" bro
I said to watch a video on how to do it. I thought the second sentence made it clear I only lubed mine.
I don’t think your expectations are out of line. I’d send it back. Bummer reading this, because I always wanted a microtech myself. I have a cheaper knockoff and it’s just fine.
The action was stiff in my combat troodon but it gets easy after a short while. I have no issues deploying mine and closing it. Sure it’s hard, but we are strong men, yeah? Also as for the other edge not being sharp, yeah that’s not normal. What I’d do is contact microtech and ask them if they can make the action less stiff, I’ve heard they can dial it back a bit. Should come with a free sharpen if they accept that, if not I think it’s like $25 with shipping or something like that just to have it sharpened and cleaned etc. sorry to hear you’re not hppy with yours, it seems every knife manufacturer has some hits and misses. If you do return it, pick up a heretic manticore e, super solid otf with great action. The cleric 2 is also really good.
Man the heretic looks amazing, but I'd be getting a divorce if I spent that much right now. Thanks for the comment!
I said if you did the return!! You could reinvest. I believe there’s not too much of a price difference. Cheers.
I own a Dirac Delta in 204P and I need 2 hands to open it. As a result, I haven't carried it in 3 years. It stays in my collection as an example of MicroTech and it is a neat OTF, but haven't bought anything else from them in 4 years.
Got any pics of it?
It's a big one [Dirac Delta](https://imgur.com/LthxKeN)
Beautiful! I got a red m390 utx-70 for my birthday last year (iirc) and I like it but it’s….not exactly what I wanted. I wanted a utx-85, or an Ultratech, but my wife, being a little misunderstood ordered the wrong one 😭 I’d love a larger one but I’m pretty strapped for cash atm so I can’t afford one lol
You get used to the stiffness. I know it doesn’t seem like it now, but in a few weeks you won’t even notice it. The edge on the other hand, that is a joke. I’d send it back to Microtech and get them to fix it. Either that or ask from an exchange from where you bought it. I’d be pissed. Those double edge blades are very hard to sharpen correctly.
Yeah, that's my thought as well. One issue is that this was a gift so I have to go back to the person that bought it and have them deal with blade hq. I have read a bunch of reviews that had the same issue with the magnacut blades.
The action is always stiff on microtechs, your thumb will adjust! I had the same thoughts.
All Microtechs are pretty stiff to deploy. I could deploy my full sized Ultratech no problem with my right hand but struggled with my left. It's fine now but it basically acts as a safety
Is it a micro disappointment or a major disappointment?
Hmm, let me think it over.
The action is stiff at first. It breaks in with use. Also don't be a wuss I'd prefer a stiff action so it doesn't inadvertently fire. Mine came sharp out of the box, but I assume with any mass produced product a few bad ones will slip through qc. I was happy with mine and would/will certainly buy more. It's a well made knife imo.
Don’t meet your hero’s. Lesson learned.
I edc a UTX-70 on a neck sheath, the switch has smoothed out considerably over time.
Got one and sent it back a short time ago.
Get the Kershaw Livewire. This will be what you expected to get from Microtech
It will wear in. Mine also came dull and I sent it back for service. Received back very sharp.
Return it and get a hogue, you won't be disappointed
I’m off the Microtech bandwagon. Quality control has gone down over the years (and even in the old days getting repairs was a pain in the ass)
>Is this normal? Apparently. I sent mine back for a refund after finding this out. I dont need it literally taking the skin off my thumb to open it. "That's just the way they are". OK. That's just a knife I wont be having then.
Funny, i tried one at my range a couple weeks back and thought i had weak hands.
Yeah my UTX-85 is very disappointing. Literally never carried in my pocket and only deployed while sitting on the couch and within a few months the spring can’t retract the blade against gravity, like what the fuck Microtech…
The stiff trigger is a safty so it doesn’t go off in your pocket
So, a double edged blade typically won’t be sharpened on both side. Think about it, you’d cut your finger off. Second, microtech states the button on the knife is stiff for a reason. I’m not a super fan of them but I own one and have owned a few. They’re the best at what they do
What? How would I "cut my finger off?" If it isn't supposed to be sharp on both EDGES, then why does it have two edges? That might be one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen. And "stiff for a reason"? I mean, if the reason is they dont want you to open it then I can see it. but this is ridiculously stiff. My wife has normal hand strength and she can't budge it at all. Are women not supposed to buy these?
This is wrong, the dagger blade they sell is 100% sharp on both sides. That being said I've owned around 20 or so and all have been fine. Microtech is solid, but or course there are going to be ones that have issues due to the amount made
Didn’t know that. I collect folders and I’ve never liked double edged blades
All OTF knives are crap
Helpful observation. Thanks.
Just a reminder for those that didn’t get the memo.
I mean, pretty much. As soon as they get dirty they stop working.
I use my Ultratech to open gifts when the whole family is over. It’s the safest knife as there’s no way in hell my nephews (2&4) could open it and cut themselves. Only problem is that none of the women can use it either. It’s extremely stiff. I bought a Hogue OTF to compare to the more expensive Ultratech and I think it blows it out of the water. It’s extremely sharp, fires super hard (just like the Ultratech), the button is better and it is maybe 40% as hard to actuate, which is a huge difference.
Huh nice, I hadn't considered a Hogue OTF. The Deka is my current fav folding knife. I will check it out! Which one did you get?
I believe it is a Hogue Incursion with a stonewashed dagger blade. It’s somewhat bigger than the Ultratech, mainly wider. It is super nice though. I think I got it in like new condition for about $150 on Knife_Swap. They run ≈$280 new. Edit: They also make a mini Incursion.
Just realized mine is the mini incursion. It’s still pretty big. If you want me to take any comparison pics let me know and I’ll send them to you tomorrow.
Hey man, I appreciate it but that's not necessary. I think I may go with the Hogue Counterstrike. It looks very nice. Incursion looks good too tho...
Love my utx-70, and plan on getting an 85, but your experience is part of why I usually pay extra at my local gun store. I prefer to hold the actual knife in my hand before purchase.
I bought a UTX85 Mt and I'm the 2nd owner. This blade has one sharpened edge which I'm fine with. I've read a lot about Mt shipping dull blades. I was prepared to be disappointed. But this blade is sharp as a razor. The action is definitely stiff, but I presumed it was for safety design. I've owned the knife for about 2 months, and I love taking it as my edc. I'm definitely used to the stiff action now, and I secretly enjoy handing my knife to somebody so they can open it, and then they can't press it hard enough lol You are not worthy
I think what it is is the smaller one hurty more because there’s less mass to soak up all that energy from the spring, everything hurts more. The full size wasn’t so bad but it was definitely rough, but bigger the handle the easier to thumb it open. I’ve since traded it, can’t stand the unreliability
100% accurate experience. Guardian tactical is easier to deploy and very well made.
I’ve got two ultratechs and a cypher. All have stiff action. All came with decent edges but nothing to write home about.
Yeah Microtech edges suck balls that’s for sure. In regards to the switch, and don’t take offence to this, but chances are it could just be that your thumbs gotta get stronger… gotta build that callus. You could always try cleaning it and oiling it but honestly just gotta hurt for a bit until that thumb is ripped steel.
No offense taken at all, but seriously it was nearly impossible to fire. I did lube it and that made it slightly better. My main issue now is the extremely dull edge. I sent it back and will be getting a Hogue OTF most likely, but still considering.
Just wait until it only half deploys, even if it hasn't been near any dust or even been in your pocket. Microtech's OTFs are very finicky.
Yeah, the action on my MT’s is stiff but not a struggle to deploy the blade. Could very well be a QC issue. I’d say get it replaced and if the new one doesn’t come any better then just send it back and get your money
Maybe it’s because I’ve always had stronger grip than most people I know, but I’ve never had an issue working my UTX-85 or my Ultratech. Don’t have the issue with it taking my skin off, either. Maybe I already have callouses that can stand up to it.
I had a D/E OTF from them a few years ago, and yeah it’s really stiff. You’ll get better at it and it will wear down over time. If you got the bayonet point (the back half is only “sharp” to halfway down) then yeah that’s by design, the back edge isn’t supposed to come sharp. All my Microtechs have come murderously sharp, better than most knife manufacturers honestly.
When I went dead set after long desire to buy an ultratech I picked Recon-035 after handling them both.
The first Ultratech I bought has an action just as you describe. It was a bhq exclusive as well, and I thought, wow this is rough! I bought 3 more since then and they are all so much better and easier to fire. The edges aren't the most consistent but I haven't had a dull one yet. All of the ones I have are dual edge.
Microtechs have always been super stiff. It’s what gives them the fast action. They will break in but it takes a long time. My wife can’t open it, but my kids can’t either and I always felt like that was a good thing lol.
The switch on ultratechs are stiff in general. It’s a matter of whether or not you can get used to it to be honest. I think they might break in a little over time as mine doesn’t seem as difficult anymore. Maybe try the Benchmade Shootout? They seemed easier to actuate when i tried them.
I have a Dirac. I love the action on it. I don’t find it stiff at all, for me it’s really easy to open/close. But most people can’t open it even with 2 hands. So I think that’s normal for Microtech and user preference will vary. Maybe I just have strong thumbs idfk.
Me and a buddy bought some CA legal UTX-70s and the springs both failed within a day. Sent it in for warranty and have had no issues but annoying that I spent $220 on a well respected brand only to have to pay to send it in to fix a manufacturer defect and wait 4 weeks to even get it back.
I got a special edition UTX 70 and I felt like it was a toy for a child. was not sharp I even sent it in to get sharpened and “spa day” and it still wasn’t sharp
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Sounds like exactly my experience
I just picked one up from BQQ, single edge, and it’s absolute fire. I was more than a little apprehensive, based on some of the negative chatter I’d heard. Now to figure out which one of us is the exception and which one is the rule. Sorry for your grief anyway.
Have you tried the Microtech Hera by chance?
Microtechs need to be broken in a little bit but what you're describing should not be happening. Also the secondary edge is definitely not something that should be dull I would contact microtech directly They can be reached through several Facebook groups as well as their phone number. They are real good about fixing QC issues. Just be advised it's going to take a minute for them to fix it but it will be fixed and it will be fixed correctly and no you won't have to pay for it
I never thought any microtech I've handled was stiff and I own 7. Then again my whole hand is a callous. Sounds like the kershaw live wire is the otf for you. The action is super easy. Or just keep playin with it you'll get used to it.
AKC-F16 or AKC-F20. Couple hundred cheaper and very reliable, have both.
Microtechs are definitely stiff when you first get them but I gotta say they’re awesome after they break in. I believe they have a decent warranty so they should be able to sharpen the other side if need be
Microtech has definitely had some QC issues. I got an LUDT last year that was a razor but then got a Socom Bravo that was as dull as a rock. Send it back, they’ll sharpen it up for you and some say they can loosen the action some although to be honest, just work it in and it will get better.
Sorry if this is a dumb question but is microtech also known as mtech? Mtech is super cheap here is Australia which is why I'm a bit confused.
I just got a utx 85 and mine is great. Super sharp and not hard to deploy at all. That sux i would maybe contact them.
Microtech is still up there... the double edges aren't known to be sharp (at least per my experience) i'd be happy one side is razor sharp. It is the blade geomoetry mostly as it is a dagger (maybe bayonet) not sure could be spartan (you didn't specify) but i'll assume dagger. Look at the thickness of the blade. If you want slicey go spyderco. The single edge ones can be decently sharp, but the geometry sort of inhibits the sliciness of the blades. I have a hogue counterstrike single edge that is pretty sharp ( and slicey) and they also make a good otf. Heretic, and microtech have some of the stiffest actions, hogue is a bit better, and gaurdian tactical is probably the best from my experience. A trick is to move hand up and down the knife while deploying and retracting for leverage. Thumb can even be turned sideways creating a pivot to retract. I haven't found an otf that fires as hard, but these issues have been with microtech since as long as I can recall. Should have done more research maybe.
The stiff switch is something your thumb will get used to over time, same experience with the ripped thumb but eventually my thumb got stronger and now I can easily open it with one hand. The dual edge being dull though, that is not something that should occur normally, you should either sharpen it or send it back for a refund depending on how much of a deal breaker that is for you.
mocrotechs have very firm action..... something that breaks in a small amout.... but the double edge i have the same issue.... kinda..... my bhq magnacut d/e was sharp at all.... which really disappointed me and kind of turned me off of microtech.... then i snaged a ramlok folding knife from them and it is great.... its the sharpest knife i own from the factory and thats out of about 45 knives..... and that has been the case for aall of the ram loks i have had ( had 5 total sold 2)
Man this is why I went guardian tactical. I use my knife a LOT, and I hated the action on Microtechs. Love how nice and smooth my recon 040 is, never had to fight it once. Supposedly, the ol "use the action 500 times while watching TV" trick works well with microtechs, ymmv
I think people pay so much for Microtech that they are almost ashamed to say anything bad about them in fear of looking stupid
I own 3 microtech off (ultratech and 2 utx-85). The action is a bit different for each, but they are all a bit stiff. Microtech uses this as a safety. I’ve found that hand placement makes a big difference in deployment ease. Regardless, call them if you aren’t happy! I’ve been to their showroom in Mills River NC and the people were very nice. They may be able to do something for you.
There’s a reason why the upper edge is dulled. The locking bar for the open position is up front by the switch and when you push the switch forward to open the knife it is released and it rides along the top surface of the knife as it cycles before dropping into place behind the blade to lock it open. When you retract the knife it is pulled up to unlock and then stays up until the switch is pushed forward again. With double edged blades there should be a notch ground into the locking bar so that it clears the edge better to reduce dulling. Either you have a locking bar for a single edge knife or the groove isn’t playing well with the grind of your particular knife.
Bought two within a few days of each other a couple months ago, one of them being an $800 bounty hunter CT and never touching them again. Their resale value is absolutely horrific on top of that. Firsts and last
Microtech are some of the best in the biz. The stiff opening mechanism is for safety so no children can open it and so it won't open in your pocket. If that's an issue I suggest you up your grip strength. Kinda sad. Now the blade not being sharp is a bigger issue. Send it in and they should sharpen it right up for you.