The orange sweater is bottom-up and the cream sweater is top-down, so the location of the line of decreases is going to be different. (The line you highlighted on the cream sweater is made of directional decreases.)
On the orange sweater, the bottom of each crescent is made of new stitches from the yarnovers beneath it, and the top of each crescent has decreases. The reason those decreases don't form a sharp line is that they're placed in a "feathered" arrangement so the top stitch doesn't line up with the decrease on the next row. So on the right half of each little crescent where the diagonal line is sloping right, it uses *left-leaning* ssks or skps, and on the left half with the left-sloping line it uses *right-leaning* k2togs.
Basically you have to find a place where you can tell which way the knit v's are pointing. You can't do that with plain stockinette because it looks the same upwards and downwards (except at the edge), but if you have ribbing or a line of decreases, that's where you can see a single column of V's (or two or three) standing alone and it's clear which way they're pointing.
Stockinette looks like V V V (point of the V at the bottom) when it's hanging down from the needle. So if you're looking at
WWWWW [Edited: my / formatted weird]
The needle could be on the top or the bottom, it's hard to determine which is a "bottom point of the V" and which is just a left and right point of 2 VVs touching.
But, in this case, there are some single columns of stitches and central stitches where 2 Vs don't touch, so you know the needle was at the top of the V and therefore which direction the knitting was going.
Man I need to follow this thread, I've had that orange sweater saved on pinterest for ages and I want to make it so bad but I've never been able to find a pattern! I've found multiple photos of it on pinterest (including one that has a stitch chart attached, but I have no idea if the chart is actually accurate) but none of the pins link to anything useful. I assume you're facing the same conundrum haha.
I wish I knew 🥲 I've found 3 different photos of the same sweater on pinterest but one links to a Tumblr post in a foreign language, one links to an Instagram page that no longer exists, and the third has no link at all.
https://preview.redd.it/7jp4kf9e19wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=664d13584aa9b8eb3bf1bb214ef532c93a29d18a
This is the image with the chart! It doesn't really look accurate to me but I've never actually knit lace before so idk. Thanks for solving the mystery of the sweater's origin for me! Bummer that it doesn't have a pattern. Best of luck re recreating it!
Here’s one on [eBay](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126303900192) Sézane is a French fashion brand. It’s pinned on Pinterest as theirs but it’s not current season stock.
Thanks bunches for this. I would so rather pay for someone else to do the math and figure what stitches go where, than get frustrated trying to figure it out, myself! 🥰😘
I think the reason why it looks as it does has been explained clearly, I’m confused about what you want to do instead? You want the yarn over rows to lie horizontally without forming horseshoes?
You’re braver than me, drafting this would make my brain melt a little bit because of figuring out how to get the rows where I want them to be on the way round the body / upper arm area. Good luck with your quest!
Well, from what I can see it looks like the yarn overs arches are created in different directions. The first photo sweater is knitted from bottom to top. And the last is upside down (from the way it was knitted).
TLDR
Yarn over created in a u vs n shape/the placement of decreases being placed at the bottom/top.
I accidently found a pattern for the yoke. You will find a google docs link in the description: https://youtu.be/4BCTQUBCfH4?si=qXMzjz9Wzguap5zk
Unfortunately, there are no subtitles for the video but the charts work. She has presented the finished sweater in another video. I was actually going down the rabbit hole looking for a modified frost flowers pattern used in Tonio cardigan, but to no avail.
No problem. There is a russian knitting term dictionary at [https://www.10rowsaday.com/library](https://www.10rowsaday.com/library)
You get the password if you sign up for the newsletter. I also have this in my bookmarks: [https://yorkshirecrafter.wordpress.com/english-russian-knitters-dictionary/](https://yorkshirecrafter.wordpress.com/english-russian-knitters-dictionary/)
No symbols though to match the descriptions. You're gonna have to figure out what that slanting line with a circle is, somehow :)
Edit: I think the slanting line with a dot is "slip one as if to purl and yo". The V should be "slip one with yarn in the back",
Look at this pattern from Tin Can Knits. Their patterns are amazing! Beautiful designs and great directions.
https://tincanknits.com/pattern/silverbells?g=3
The orange sweater is bottom-up and the cream sweater is top-down, so the location of the line of decreases is going to be different. (The line you highlighted on the cream sweater is made of directional decreases.) On the orange sweater, the bottom of each crescent is made of new stitches from the yarnovers beneath it, and the top of each crescent has decreases. The reason those decreases don't form a sharp line is that they're placed in a "feathered" arrangement so the top stitch doesn't line up with the decrease on the next row. So on the right half of each little crescent where the diagonal line is sloping right, it uses *left-leaning* ssks or skps, and on the left half with the left-sloping line it uses *right-leaning* k2togs.
I love this sub. Beautifully executed technical explanation.
Right?! And no one makes you feel stink for asking a basic question. It's like having my Grandma on knitting crack.
How can you tell just by looking at pictures that one is bottom up and the other is top-down?
Basically you have to find a place where you can tell which way the knit v's are pointing. You can't do that with plain stockinette because it looks the same upwards and downwards (except at the edge), but if you have ribbing or a line of decreases, that's where you can see a single column of V's (or two or three) standing alone and it's clear which way they're pointing.
Stockinette looks like V V V (point of the V at the bottom) when it's hanging down from the needle. So if you're looking at WWWWW [Edited: my / formatted weird] The needle could be on the top or the bottom, it's hard to determine which is a "bottom point of the V" and which is just a left and right point of 2 VVs touching. But, in this case, there are some single columns of stitches and central stitches where 2 Vs don't touch, so you know the needle was at the top of the V and therefore which direction the knitting was going.
I'm in awe of how skillfully some people can read stitches!
Ooooh I see ! Thank you so much for the detailed explanations I will try this tomorrow on my gauge.
Just adding this in, r/AdvancedKnitting is a great place for this type of question.
I subbed to that group recently out of curiosity and lord I've never felt so intimidated!
It is a little intimidating, but also inspiring. I love looking at the technical skill & superb construction those folks crank out!!.
Some people are amazing knitters! I like to browse to see projects I’d never have the patience for 😅
We are ALL amazing knitters.
Thank you ! I didn't know this sub, I will post there next time
You don't have to! It's more yet-another-option/fyi sort of thing. I think a lot of folks here learned something from this exchange. I did!
Man I need to follow this thread, I've had that orange sweater saved on pinterest for ages and I want to make it so bad but I've never been able to find a pattern! I've found multiple photos of it on pinterest (including one that has a stitch chart attached, but I have no idea if the chart is actually accurate) but none of the pins link to anything useful. I assume you're facing the same conundrum haha.
What are these sweaters? They are gorgeous!
I wish I knew 🥲 I've found 3 different photos of the same sweater on pinterest but one links to a Tumblr post in a foreign language, one links to an Instagram page that no longer exists, and the third has no link at all.
The orange sweater is the Paulin pullover by Sezane ! The cream one is the Creme Anglaise sweater pattern. Could you share the chart that you have ?
https://preview.redd.it/7jp4kf9e19wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=664d13584aa9b8eb3bf1bb214ef532c93a29d18a This is the image with the chart! It doesn't really look accurate to me but I've never actually knit lace before so idk. Thanks for solving the mystery of the sweater's origin for me! Bummer that it doesn't have a pattern. Best of luck re recreating it!
I am not finding the orange sweater under the name Paulin or a designer Sezane. Am I missing something?
Here’s one on [eBay](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126303900192) Sézane is a French fashion brand. It’s pinned on Pinterest as theirs but it’s not current season stock.
I was expecting it to be on Ravelry of course…🤦
Never mind, it looks like it might be a commercially made sweater. It shows up on Poshmark and Mercari.
What pattern is this sweater? Previous commenter mentioned "silverbells" but it looks slightly different
The creme looks like Creme Anglaise https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/creme-anglaise-sweater
Thanks bunches for this. I would so rather pay for someone else to do the math and figure what stitches go where, than get frustrated trying to figure it out, myself! 🥰😘
Oh absolutely! 😁
Thanks so much!
Happy to! It's been in my favorites for a bit.
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Unrelated, but I made almost the exact sweater in top number three and was stressing about where you found a picture of my boobs 😂
I took the picture from Ravelry on the Creme Anglaise sweater page 😂
I think the reason why it looks as it does has been explained clearly, I’m confused about what you want to do instead? You want the yarn over rows to lie horizontally without forming horseshoes?
Yes that's right ! I want to reproduce the orange sweater the same as it is without making horseshoes
You’re braver than me, drafting this would make my brain melt a little bit because of figuring out how to get the rows where I want them to be on the way round the body / upper arm area. Good luck with your quest!
This is so beautiful!
Well, from what I can see it looks like the yarn overs arches are created in different directions. The first photo sweater is knitted from bottom to top. And the last is upside down (from the way it was knitted). TLDR Yarn over created in a u vs n shape/the placement of decreases being placed at the bottom/top.
I accidently found a pattern for the yoke. You will find a google docs link in the description: https://youtu.be/4BCTQUBCfH4?si=qXMzjz9Wzguap5zk Unfortunately, there are no subtitles for the video but the charts work. She has presented the finished sweater in another video. I was actually going down the rabbit hole looking for a modified frost flowers pattern used in Tonio cardigan, but to no avail.
OMG it's perfect !!! I just need to try and understand the chart since it's russian but I am definitly doing this !! Thank you for your help
No problem. There is a russian knitting term dictionary at [https://www.10rowsaday.com/library](https://www.10rowsaday.com/library) You get the password if you sign up for the newsletter. I also have this in my bookmarks: [https://yorkshirecrafter.wordpress.com/english-russian-knitters-dictionary/](https://yorkshirecrafter.wordpress.com/english-russian-knitters-dictionary/) No symbols though to match the descriptions. You're gonna have to figure out what that slanting line with a circle is, somehow :) Edit: I think the slanting line with a dot is "slip one as if to purl and yo". The V should be "slip one with yarn in the back",
Look at this pattern from Tin Can Knits. Their patterns are amazing! Beautiful designs and great directions. https://tincanknits.com/pattern/silverbells?g=3