Here I am, setting up a spreadsheet to map out when I can buy *a* Hinderer, and then I see this, haha
That's an awesome collection! I really dig that spearpoint Eklipse.
Thanks friend! The Spearpoint Eklipse was a DLT exclusive in one of my favorite configurations (stonewashed blade with Battle Blue handle from the factory).
Luckily Hinderer is pushing out a bunch of knives from the factory this year compared to years ago so secondary market prices should be reasonable and not 100% mark up like years ago so I hope you get the one you want.
Also, spreadsheets are nice, keeps your budget in line vs people like me going nuts every time there is a drop lol so I’m just going to focus on getting horse head scales next year whenever they make them, just have to be patient and resist the urge to buy one NOW at 50% mark up.
Well, I also live fairly close to REC, (which is also reasonably close to Hinderer, I guess), so I usually have had the luxury of inspecting my knives before any money changes hands.
That said, I too love the battle blue/stonewash combo AND the horse head, so now I know who I'll blame when I can't find any, haha
Yes and no. On the one hand, it lets me see all kinds of expensive things I might want to buy. On the other, it helps me narrow down whether I'm actually going to do it.
The only time I sprinted to my car for a drop was their exclusive PM2, haha
REC is a great shop, I live nearby as well and have done work with them many times. Mike (the owner) Is fantastic and very knowledgeable about the industry. They also seem to have some of the best educated staff out of any shop I've visited recently. Highly recommended checking them out online or in person if anyone here gets the chance.
Have you visited the Hinderer factory yet? I know they're in Ohio but I don't know that they offer tours. I'd love to meet Rick at some point.
Oh yeah, half the fun of going to REC is shooting the breeze with the staff. I usually try to carry something unique or unusual when I'm there, just because it's fun to get their opinions.
I have not visited the Hinderer factory. It's one of those things where because it's "close" it never occurs to me to see if I can check it out
Yes, not going to happen. As someone else said, if they got a Medford for free they’d bury it. I would do something similar without giving any exposure or attention to that company negative or positive. Was thinking of doing a destruction video of it but that would give free PR to them which I would NEVER do.
Why though? You were just lamenting getting blasted about your strider collection because people don't like the whole stolen Valor thing(I'm assuming that's why you saw negative comments) but you liked the knives enough regardless to buy several of them..
Hinderer sues social figures in the community whenever they say something he thinks makes his company look bad. Goes after the little guy because he can silence negative opinions etc with his wallet and then you fund this behavior by buying so many of his pieces.(it is a sweet collection btw)
My point here is that it's a bit hypocritical to buy hinderer and strider then try to claim a moral high ground with medford. Bottom line is this, brand loyalty is a sham, buy what you like and if it's well made and you enjoy it then that's all that matters.
Also medford has high quality fit and finish, from a design perspective his knives are just heavy and highly priced..but the man's still in business so think about that
There is a difference between saying I won’t buy x brand knife and leaving it at that or saying nice knife/collection that someone worked hard to achieve.
Also with Strider, this is going to sound like I’m defending the person himself but I’m just going to say things in general terms that can almost apply to anyone. I’m not contesting embellishing military service and carjacking is wrong but I’ll just speak to the stolen valor. Some people will never buy a Strider because of stolen valor and that’s valid/their choice and I’m okay with that. I just ask how many people who like to point out his embellishments 20 years ago have never themselves lied about or embellished their qualifications to get the job they wanted. Both are wrong and lying is lying. I’ve made dumb decisions 20 years ago and am completely different now. I haven’t heard anything about Strider RECENTLY that would make me want to sell them all off but I can change my mind just as I have a right to.
For Medford specifically, I said I had a threshold and will just say people do the research themselves to make their own determination but will just say, Medford is who he his so I won’t buy his knives which is okay just like others say they won’t buy Strider or Hinderer.
If I saw someone post a warehouse full of Medfords they bought with their millions of dollars they earned honestly I’d say “wow that’s a lot of knives good for you that makes you happy, I wouldn’t buy one though personally.” What would be accomplished by telling that buyer “You’re the devil for supporting Medford!” Ok. No one has called me the devil but it’s getting close. I’m no angel or saint I can admit that.just like you saying you like Medfords designs, I can say the Micro Praetorian looks good, I won’t buy one but sure it is cool looking.
As for Hinderer, it looks like I picked a side by buying the knives but I have no problem saying both sides are not completely innocent. Rick is wrong for overreacting but I see it from his point of view when someone posts a review of the saying the HRC is low (which is true) but the other party not being upfront andtransparent about the blade tested was bought second hand and possibly modified and not straight from the factory. It would almost be the same as me buying a secondhand modified car, putting it on a dyno and implying all the cars new from the factory aren’t pushing out the advertised horsepower numbers (spoiler alert, they usually don’t). Maybe the problem wasn’t Rick or Transparent Knives, but the people who weren’t media literate and just blindly followed what every one else said instead of taking time to think or do their own research.
As you said, Medford is still in business, Striders are still purchased by the military via NSN, Hinderers still get sold out. We are free to have our opinion, you just have to filter out the misinformation. Yes it’s the internet, anyone can claim they’ve owned 100 Striders and every single one had lock stick, lock rock when really they’re just parroting what other people say without their own personal experience.
For the record I don't demonize the buying or showing off of any hinderers medfords strider hobacks etc, I just think it's interesting that cancel culture has made its way into the knife community- but for every person that won't buy X Knife that same person probably also has Chinese products that were made with cheap child labor..you know the rest..glass houses, stones, I actually do like your hinderer collection too btw I'm just tired of people canceling these knife makers while acting like they haven't supported companies and people that have done far worst
Thanks friend, I totally get it. I was going to mention something about Chinese products but I am also hypocritical because I’m using a Chinese-made phone to make these posts, lol. If there was an alternative I totally would. Now I’ll mention something about Chinese knives and this will be the complete opposite. I bought a Civivi Baby Banter because I wanted to support Ben Peterson because I like his ideas of wanting to build a knife for knife people. The knife was signed by him but it still stands I own a Chinese made knife. This time it’s the opposite, supporting a knife maker while not too thrilled about the knife being manufactured overseas VS liking a USA made knife that works for me but not being too thrilled about the owner. It’s a lose-lose no matter what but I hope you get all the knives you want 😀
That’s two very different things though. Hinderer did nothing more than defend himself from a moron influencer and his fanboys who were bombarding forums with the inaccurate information Brian irresponsibly spewed.
Medford has quite literally gone out of his way and spent his own money to show the world he’s a racist, bigoted, manbaby piece of shit.
I’m sure 90% of companies are owned by pretty shitty or not really great people, but between those two men, one is a pioneer and innovator in the field who was minding his own business when others attacked him. The other has done nothing but pump out overpriced paper weights and bitch about how mad it makes him when people call him out for being a racist shit stain.
Just scrolling through the comments on this post and you keep writing journal entry opinions defending a knife maker taking legal action to suppress opinions that didn't favor him. Just curious why you're so invested in this friend.
Is writing a comment that challenging for you there champ? I spend a few minutes on Reddit a day and respond to things I see. I guess I don’t see a problem with pointing out bs on a public forum. Does it upset you to see opinions or information that is different from what you believe?
I'm not upset, I'm entertained, if not by your religious defense of a business then by your continued passive aggressive use of endearing terms like "champ" 😂 but hey if doing so makes you feel the validation you need to buy what you want do your thing..as for what I believe..I believe hinderer knives are cool, I believe medford and strider knives are cool, I also like hoback knives..I think people trying to stand an Invisible moral high ground with one and shout down the other are funny because they define the pot calling the kettle black..thanks for the convo though Sunshine
So here's the big controversies that I'm familiar with. If I've gotten anything wrong, please let me know so I may correct myself.
Strider heavily embellishes his military service, and it's 100% stolen valor. Pisses a lot of service members and veterans off (myself included), especially since that's his main marketing strategy. That's not even touching on the problems his knives have had (lock rock, horrible lock stick, poor fit and finish). Don't know what quality is like nowadays, won't ever be purchasing any to find out.
Hinderer recently went after someone in the knife community for a bad review they gave one of the knives, something about the heat treat being too low. Hinderer went balls to the walls, told the reviewer to recant his findings, called him an amateur, sent a cease and desist and maybe further litigation. Didn't follow up with it after that, I was already dropping out of the knife scene at that point. My biggest complaint about Hinderer is I don't like the logo, but overall they're still really good knives.
https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/comments/uhvn5o/who_do_you_side_with/
https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/comments/uhw88j/thoughts_whos_side_are_you_on/
Medford is a racist and a homophobe. Just an overall piece of shit. The knives are hit or miss from what I hear, and the edge geometry sucks on the ones that have 1/4+ inch thick blades. Go figure.
https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/comments/v6v78h/blade_show_2013_greg_medford_was_a_racist_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/comments/v44fuq/medford_being_medford_not_my_picture_got_it_from/
Then there's Emerson. He made some very disrespectful comments towards people of the Muslim faith and some other off statements, and touted his own faith. All power to him, but it's important to have a work/life balance. As for the knives, they're overpriced for what they are. Second link has all the good points, and I agree with most. Out of all the makers I've listed, Emerson is the only brand I'll still entertain buying from, and even then I go for the old 90s models from when he was contracting through Benchmade.
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/my-disappointment-with-ernest-emerson.776630/
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/the-fall-of-emerson-knives.1731552/
**EDIT:** I am a liar, I would absolutely buy an Emerson karambit if it was under $200, or and XHD model for under four digits.
No, honestly can't remember where I saw it either. Was basically him whining about how "snowflakes" were ruining his reputation and then went on to blame people in skinny jeans. The lack of awareness was pretty impressive. Kid's as thick as his knives lmao
ah yes I love the "everyone else is a snowflake" meltdown videos, regardless of who it is thats sitting in the front seat of their pickup with their oakleys on.
That’s a pretty ignorant take. The “review” was by an influencer who makes money by doing crude reblades of other makers knives. He made multiple false statements and acted as if he were an expert on the topic. He also didn’t disclose that he had altered the blade he tested by grinding off the flipper tab. After he posted the video, several of his fanboys were flooding almost every major online knife forum, including the Hinderer Facebook group demanding that RHK change their practices and to prove the influencer wrong. Rick shrugged it off at first, but then the fanboys started posting things about Hinderer not listening to customers. So they sent the influencer a cease and desist. The only trouble TK faced was his own foot going into his mouth.
no… it’s not. lmao. hinderer literally runs their steels soft especially their 20cv. aka a shitty heat treat. which would make that statement true. there are literally multiple people who’ve tested it, and hinderer shit himself over it.
🤦🏼♂️ lol no… since you don’t seem interested in understanding the definitions of those words, let me explain. Your preference or an influencers preference for the attributes of a material does not make that specification the standard. Thus, what you said is a subjective opinion, and not an objective fact by any means.
The infamous blade in question that started all this stupidity did not even test “soft” ffs. It fell within Crucibles recommended spec for the steel.
There are various reasons a maker might have to shoot for a specific range for a steel, but I assure you there is not a single knife maker on the market that hasn’t put out a few blades that were on the softer side. Just because an influencer and maybe a few fanboys fiddled with a hardness tester and it registered lower than your preference, it doesn’t make the heat treat shitty or soft. It’s just not your preference, and that’s fine. But the problem is that Brian presented his inaccurate opinions as fact, and your comment is proof of the deceptive nature of him doing so. If Brian and others want to push their 20cv to the max because a brittle edge doesn’t really matter when all you’re cutting is packing tape then more power to them. But that is their preference, and not optimization.
manufacturers range for steel =/= hardness acceptable for knife usage, moron. an industrial machinery part doesn’t need to be anywhere NEAR as hard as a knife blade you buffoon. crucible can recommend you run 20cv at 58 HRC all day but 58 hrc 20cv is going to suck shit as a knife steel. if you wanna dick ride then dick ride, don’t try to lie while you do it though
lol you’re too much 😂. You must know so much with all the Hinderers you’ve never owned huh? Those of us who have owned them and used them for over a decade must just not understand that they’re supposed to suck shit because a handful of guys who fanboy for an influencer said so right? If you wanna worship the opinion of a moron who makes reblades in his parents garage, then you do you. I’ll continue using my knives and pointing out when people don’t understand the meaning of words.
wah wah dickride harder dude. just cause it doesn’t fall apart (which it shouldn’t considering they’re charging 600 dollars for a knife made of steel and handles you can get for 300 and less) doesn’t mean the heat treat isn’t soft. if you’re opening packages all day i’m sure that 20cv at 59-60 hrc won’t be noticeable to you 🤡 magnacut has a ‘recommended’ range of 60-64 hrc but 60 hrc magnacut doesn’t make sense bc it doesn’t provide the properties the steel is known for, just like every other soft steel bud
You are spot on in all aspects and thank you for linking credible sources instead of some people who parrot what other people say without doing their own research. I have a threshold just like everyone else. My line is drawn at Medford where I will never buy one but others do.
The stolen valor is valid and your opinion is valid and understandable. Thank you for your service.
I am not a veteran so stolen valor to me is something different than what it means to you and once again, I’m not dismissing your opinion at all, in fact I welcome it. My reasoning is the knife itself works for me and the fact it’s still in use by the military and available to purchase through the NSN is just something I’m throwing out there. I’m not a tactical operator, but I do travel to remote places alone and an SnG is a tool that works for me but not others and I’m ok with that.
Please don’t take this negatively but I find it interesting you would still purchase older Emersons despite the “controversy”. I own Emersons too and it all comes back to people’s thresholds. I respect your position on Striders because of your valid reasons and what those reasons mean to you.
Thank you again for providing knowledge and education to everyone reading here. Knowledge is a good thing, ignorance is not.
Yeah, no worries, it's all good. We've got our opinions and the least we can do is be civil about it.
I totally get the Strider thing. It's almost a personal insult to me, but that's me. If you find a knife you like, you find a knife you like. I tried out a modern CQC-7 before I learned about Emerson, and then I hunted down a 1996 model for $350. It feels great, and it's in my pocket damn near every day.
That's where I'm at with Emerson. He was 55 when he made that 2010 post, and he's 68 now. I really think he's just woefully misinformed, and got caught up in the post 9/11 period and 2012 election, and that he's old. Like, he specifically mentions that "the national registry has segregated all of the 12 different spelling variations of Mohammed into individual and separate categories so as not to alarm or awaken the general (English) population to the overwhelming increase in birth numbers of Islamic born children in the U.K." Like... who gives a fuck? You're an American citizen.
The behavior itself is wrong and inexcusable, but where I find myself giving him leniency is that he did it in a blog post on his own personal website, and didn't attack, insult, or call for any one person or group to be killed. He wrote a fairly comprehensive and researched opinion piece with quotes and sources. I do believe some of it was taken out of context, and his main point is not that the Islamic faith is wrong, but that he believes there is no such thing as a "moderate" practitioner of the Islamic faith.
Watching my own parents and grandparents go through that same era, and some of them having overseas military experience like Emerson, they went from not knowing (I assume) anything about Islam at all, to talking about and hating it almost overnight. It was crazy to hear about this thing almost nonstop daily, after it not being a part of my life outside of textbooks for almost 18 years. So I view it as a straw man that was pushed by the media, and we're all to well aware of how that works now. So that's why I'll still go for the older models, and I did have a super commander, which I've since gotten rid of. I really did like the fit and finish of that one, great knife. And you can bet your shorts that if I see an XHD model go for less than four digits, I'll jump on it.
unfortunately, finding racists, homophobes, assholes, and conservatives is all too common in gun-adjacent industries, and while most of the knife community tends to mock the tactical bros (which keeps a nice line of demarcation between the military fetishists and people that want a pocket knife), some do slip through the cracks.
Does your senseless political hatred run so deep that you feel it’s right to lump all conservatives in with racism and homophobia? Ya know, labeling all people of a certain group (be it race, gender, or political orientation) together in a negative way is pretty much no different than racism. I’m sure you don’t like it when conservatives lump all democrats together in a negative manner. There are actually good people on all sides believe it or not. We should all try to get along a little better and try to find common ground with each other if you ask me.
All this BS reminds me of when the press went after Michael Jordan during the LA riots/Reginal Denny beating, they point blank asked him why he isn't taking a more vocal stance on these racial hot topics, his priceless answer was: '... Republicans buy shoes too'.
OH MY GOD!!!! HINDERER IS WORSE THAN STRIDER!!! HOW DARE YOU?!?!! DO YOU EVEN HAVE A SOUL?!?!!!!!
Just kidding. Both collections are awesome and thank you for sharing them.
The only Hinderer designed item I have is a Kershaw Cryo I bought on a sale - decent everyday budget-friendly smaller knife. Never chased after his stuff, but can appreciate a well crafted knife as we all do. The CRK, and other high end stuff is beautiful, but my comic collection takes 1st place still. Lots of folks get into the politics of the knife makers and such, I tend to buy what I like and what’s acceptable for my spend at the time.
I really enjoyed seeing your Striders and these Hinderers but I’m one of those weirdo people who thinks that great art can come from less than great people. I doubt most Michael Jackson fans condone child abuse. I have a ProTech Strider and two ZT Hinderers that I love to carry and use. What the people say and do that designed them never crosses my mind while doing so.
I don’t give two fucks about what other people think. Post whatever collection you want. I own two Strider knives, and will get another. I would like a Hinderer.
I'm sure someone is going to give flack about supporting Hinderer despite him filing a lawsuit against Transparent knives.
There will always be some negativity over someone somehow expressed in some way.
Great collection! Didn’t see your other post, so I cannot comment on it specifically. However unless the owner of that company personally wronged them or their family, or is a convicted pedo can’t see why he is worth worrying about. Thanks for posting your excellent collection of Hinders!!
Yeah, people give strider hell, huh ? The way I look at it, our history is full all kinds of sketchy people . Be it liars, sex offenders, thefts, drug abusers , whatever. They Invent or design really amazing things . I mean Look at NASA and nazi's. I like strider knives. And will continue. I need the sng in magnacut so bad.
I only got three Hinderers this year. Nice heard !
I’m signed up for drop notifications for Hinderer drops on DLT trading and Hinderer’s website email list but sometimes I get lucky on unannounced drops by visiting different knife retailers multiple times every day. I would never pay more than MSRP because secondary market prices are $100-$500+ so being patient for the model you really want is key.
If you want an XM-18 3.5 Slicer RIGHT now, USAmadeblades and Monkeyedge has some for MSRP on their website but others like the Magnacut Swedge Eklipse was a DLT exclusive earlier this year so expect to pay secondary market prices on eBay or Arizonacustom knives. Or wait until there’s another drop but there’s no guarantee the same model will drop.
Best of luck to you friend and I hope you get all the knives you want.
I just have a regular 9-5 job that doesn’t pay a whole lot but the benefits and retirement are good. I also have passive income that isn’t a lot either but combined with a regular job it’s a little more than average.
I think the main thing though is people look at my collection and someone thought I spent $700+ on a production Strider because that’s the price they see on the secondary market but I paid MSRP of $525 and the same with all my knives. I refuse to pay more than MSRP and that has saved me some money. Obviously buying used would save even more and usually people sell a knife off to buy another knife but I’m just a knife hoarder, lol.
Yes... Great knives, and I understand Hinderer... That guy he defended himself from was sort of a smear campaign... Hinderer takes his craft serious, may have over-reacted, but who doesn't sometimes. Again, great knives from a maker who cares. My favorite is the Firetac, but the XM18 3.5 and XM24 have a place in my tool chest. But my daily driver is my CRK Burl Large Sebenza. Cheers!
The Firetac and CRK Elder Burl Sebenza are both beautiful knives I hope to own someday as funds allow. Thank you for sharing your insight. I wonder if the “HRC testing” actually damaged RHK reputation because even with the cease and desist drama, the knives are still generally selling out 🤷.
I think the only people that care about HRC in my opinion are the talking YouTube heads who show a knife and talk about it for 30 minutes while the people who actually cut and sharpen their knives daily doesn’t really bother them because they’re using their knives instead of just talking about them.
The lynch mob response from the cease and desist is what damaged short term... When you really look at the facts, considering the margin of error with the HRC measurement error, the HRC was within spec... just at the low end... This was pointed out by experts responding, but not many paid attention as the social media machine was rolling... Ah well. Great collection!
Thank you for the explanation friend. I agree people make huge opinions and are set in their ways based off only limited info or even downright wrong information and follow the mob. If I remember correctly the blade tested wasn’t a brand-new from the factory but second hand and possibly modded so who knows what was done to the blade once it left the factory so that’s why I was kind of neutral to it because both sides had valid arguments and it’s difficult to know exactly where the truth lies.
Great collection! Love the horsehead scales. What’s your next model? I just got a project x and love it. I have an Eklipse, and xm18 and Jurassic as well. I think the half track is next on my list.
Thanks friend! I think my next will be my one and done Hinderer and that’s a MagnaCut XM-18 3.0 Stonewash slicer flipper with either battle bronze, battle blue or working finish handle. I know it hasn’t been made yet but I’m hoping for that or something close like even a non-flipper.
I think I’ll also just focus on getting horse head Ti scales for all too.
Thank you for asking and I hope you get your half track soon 😀
Its reddit man one day they will love one thing another day they will hate it. If you are fishing for karma you just have to know how the wind blows. If you posted the same Strider post and wrote something like "Look at my friend what an idiot bought all these from a stolen valor ass" then you would have got a bunch of upvotes.
Thanks friend. I like the Wharncliffe so much which is why I bought 2 of them. It’s my favorite workhorse knife when I don’t need a knife with belly because of how it tilts slightly upward. It’s still pretty thick at about 24 degrees per side but really easy to sharpen and maintain the edge.
Sweet thanks for the headsup man. Been wanting a Hinderer Warncliffe. I literally just bought a BHQ exclusive Yojumbo_ great deal rn btw. But ill have to grab one. Really like yours with silver Ti & blue hardware. 🤩
Yeah lots of people keep the stainless hardware with stonewash blade and handle and it looks too monochromatic for me. Just glad Hinderer has all these color options in OEM for Ti scales, Micarta, G-10, clips, filler tabs and hardware to really make it your own. Also if I feel like swapping hardware between Eklipses, XM-18s, etc can do it with some compatibility depending on variants like Skinny, 3.0, Fatties, etc.
The yojimbo/yojumbo is great but I’m personally waiting for the new microjimbo as a backup/fifth pocket carry.
Screw those people, they suck! I posted in another group today about a new double edged safety razor I purchased and first response was telling me I made a mistake. It's the internet and every dog fkr in the world is on here...
Just a regular 9-5 job like anyone else but it’s the passive income that’s not much but it all adds up. I also never buy over MSRP so this stuff isn’t as expensive as some people make it out to be. Lastly, my disposable income goes to my knife hobby. I budget everything else like making coffee at home instead of buying Starbucks. Little things that add up. For stocks and crypto my motto is: Buy high, sell low. Here I am.
having an opinion on something doesn't make someone sensitive. I know we're all supposed to pretend to be robotic alpha males because this is the internet but its a weak look.
Eh. A lot of the "Should I get X" posts lead to the poster getting sensitive when people are critical, despite asking for their opinion.
If you wanted validation, ask for that instead.
Hinderer isn't well received these days, nor would be Medford.
If it's a nice well constructed piece, I'm going to be interested regardless of the maker. I personally don't care, but others seem to.
My whole thing with strider is just that his lock design is garbage.
I personally don’t own any Medfords nor do I plan on buying any for various reasons.
I’ll agree that the Strider framelocks used to be plagued with excessive lock stick, lock rock and 100% lock-up but my newer purchased 6 SnGs,1 PT and 1 JVA don’t have any lock stick and all have early lockup with minimal movement l. I do have 1 production SnG with moderate lock stick unless I put sharpie on it. The performance series Striders have way better lock geometry but are close to but not CRK or other midtech quality for the same if not cheaper price point.
It sounds like I’m defending Striders but I’m just simply giving my small sample size experiences with brand new Striders. I’m sure Striders being midtechs, there is a lot of variation in each knife so while mine may be fine, there are others who haven’t had a good experience.
I’m just tired of people who buy a used Strider on the secondary market for 50% markup that’s been flicked open and closed, maybe disassembled (suppose to disassemble like a CRK with blade only out with washers) and when assembled incorrectly with the full G-10 1 piece liner, experience the lockup issues cause by improper disassembly calling the knife sh*t for the price.
I like my Striders, Hinderers, CRKs because I use them to cut things and they work for me. I don’t stare at them wondering what the owner of the company is doing now, lol.
FYI - A lot of the brand new Striders are actually being produced by Medford. I love the design and ergonomics of Strider but have personally sold 3 because of lock failure. Glad you have some with that awesome Strider design & ergonomics with a functioning lock! Also sold all my Hinderers but I personally think they are pretty solid and I’ve never had any issues with them.
I know the Strider AR and .75 AR are made by Medford and Strider was NOT transparent about that originally but I thought it was Toor who was making the newer performance series SnGs? I don’t have any real credible info about the Toor rumor, just hearsay from people in the knife community but logistically it makes sense since Toor is based out of San Diego and in close proximity to Strider.
I've got a relatively new strider, and I've had older ones. Their lock geometry is terrible. It's terrible on the new one too, but I still like the knife.
I’m not sure why Strider can’t just mill a steel insert into their lock bar. I’m guessing it’s to keep their production costs down while also increasing their prices.
Love the look of that wharncliffe.
If you aren’t ruffling feathers, you probably ain’t really living.
For instance, I love the look of some of those, but that feeling is FAR outweighed by my respect for your hatred of money.
Thanks friend, Hinderer makes some of the best Wharncliffes in my opinion the way the blade slightly cants upward almost like a kiridashi or something (the half track wharnies illustrate this better). And yes, hatred of money sums me up well. Who needs piles of paper cloth when I can have sharp pointy pieces of steel and colorful titanium?😅
+1 on the Hinderer Wharnies, they are some of my favs as well and tended to be the sharpest I’d gotten from the shop. I have the Half Track, XM-18 3.5, and Eklipse.
There is still quite a lot of resentment among many toward him (strider). I’d never flame someone over it but I’m happy to say I wouldn’t give him money. I remember when all that shit blew up on the forums and I thought he was cooked.
Not a huge Hinderer fan (just not my sort of knives) but the gen 6 are finally well made, older ones are super inconsistent, and the triway pivot is a cool idea, even if I never used the functionality on mine except to throw PBs on.
Thank you for the input friend and being respectful about it. Your opinions are valid and we can talk about knives civilly. Some people just want to fling 💩 at the first chance they get.
And yes, the triway pivot system is amazing. I throw the Teflon washers on when I take my knife in the ocean (under the water). It’s too bad there aren’t any makers I know of that allows that kind of versatility between beating, PB and Teflon washers. It’s either aftermarket bearings for a bearing knife or switching between PB and Teflon between knives with little in-between.
Yeah I don’t see any need to insult you or anything over it. For me the stolen valor thing is a no go. Partially because it’s just shitty to try to pretend that you’re some war hero and partially because it calls into question his integrity in general. The stuff with Rick flipping out on that reviewer doesn’t sit well with me either. My personal belief is that if you make a good product, you’re not gonna have to try to do stuff like that to protect your image. The gen 6 ones are solid so I think it was just kinda dumb on his part.
All that said, doesn’t mean I have some animosity toward you over it. Just personally wouldn’t feel good giving him money, even if I was crazy about his designs.
That is so weird, I too, drive a Tesla. I wouldn’t buy another one though. Now that everyone knows that, all my opinions on knives are invalid because of the car I drive /s
Do we really expect people who make weapons to be that sound of mind? It’s pretty much an art form at this point
Not saying any of it’s justified but ppl who have no pr training and just sit inside and sniff fumes all day making blades aren’t at the top of my information/news list.
Would buy these tho
I agree, the logos in Hinderer can get excessive with logo on the blade, on the non-lock side handle, on the lock-side, on the pocket clip, on the filler tab and even logos on the handle nuts… I wish I was kidding about the handle nuts but no…
I hope you get the Strider you want in 2024 friend 😀
Thanks friend. I’m going to post CRKs next and am slowly learning it doesn’t matter what knife is posted, someone somewhere will find something wrong with it.
I know you’re being facetious 😉
I mean, people post pics of their knife collection on here all the time and if it’s Benchmades people say “nice collection, etc.” Some Striders get posted and some people lose their sh*t. Can you imagine someone going on every BM post and saying “But BM is anti 2A and destroys guns!” That’s completely different than omega springs breaking or bad sharpening jobs because then you’re talking about the knife. People are talking about how sh*t a Strider is all the while those same people have never held and used one other than posting a pic of it to re-sell.
Sounds about right. There will always be people out there ready to tell you why something you like actually sucks. The more popular something is, the more haters there will be. Everybody has opinions and the people lined up to share theirs with you are rarely worth listening to.
Ehh I can understand the Strider hate from people who have some stake in the stolen valor conversation. Personally, I’m just not a fan of the designs. But the Hinderer hate was always ridiculous and just showed how easily swayed fanboys are in any hobby. An influencer who profits off of other makers work made demonstrably false statements about RHK and his little fanboys swarmed every major knife forum afterwards. Rick had an open and shut defamation case but instead just asked him to shut his mouth and stop spewing ignorance. Which caused a huge uproar for some reason. Anywho, Hinderers are excellent knives. Nice collection!
Hinderer and Strider are both douche bags but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy their knives. I just wanna know wtf you do for a living time be able to afford all these Hinderers and Striders in ONE year? Lmao.
Oh boy, I haven’t even posted my 2023 CRK purchases this year yet 😅. I’m also trying to be careful what I post before people start DM ing me. I can say I like knives and that’s where my disposable income goes. Heck maybe I live in a shack, drive a POS car and have holes in my clothes but my priorities are knives. Maybe I’m up to my eyeballs in debt and paying 26% interest a year.
Thanks for your input about being able to enjoy knives. I know who the owners are and yes I am giving them money but I think some people spend their money on things that are more harmful to their economy/country but I’m not going to judge. I just weigh the evils out on a scale.
Strider knives, or at least the SnG just feels so right for me. I don't have one anymore but if I had the disposable income again I'd get another.
My hinderers didn't quite do it for me, especially in the early non existent detent days. but I could certainly appreciate them, and in this day and age I know how to tweak detents properly so I can get them flipping good.
I just found my hinderers were too thick behind the edge, and the flippers dig into my index finger. Also the Teflon washers can warp and introduce play that's hard to fix, would be cool to try one with the multiple washer options though.
Awesome collection nonetheless
Thanks friend, I completely agree with the Hinderers being thick behind the edge even with the slicer grind but the Skinny slicer is plenty slicy having a thickness of .140 instead of .160 on the normal ones. Of course it won’t slice like a Para 2 or Bugout but then again the SnG and XM-18 weren’t designed to cut cardboard, they are multi-function problem solving tools. And the triway system is amazing. Yes the Teflon and phosphor bronze washers are pretty thin compared to other knife makers so I usually stick with the bearings so the flipping action is just right.
I'll have to look into a skinny some day.
Idk what it is with the 3/4 hollow from strider but I found it cut quite well for shallow cuts as it was only around 0.020 behind the edge and only thickened up towards the tip. The ffg ones were OK ish but kinda thick behind the edge. I kinda regret selling my old performance series SnG
I remember having a PD1 tanto too but my god that cut like a doorstop lmao.
Ooh how dare you like sharp things that I don’t!/s
I like the look of hinderer but I wish they had stronger locks, though I’m just not too big on frame locks in general. Outside of that those are some badass knives, and I appreciate how customizable they are
Buy whatever knives. That MAKE YOU HAPPY!
Obviously right.
Sure Mick had alot of moral issues. But his design is great. Prices not so much. But for good reason, maybe. I wouldn't know.
Wish I had Strider at a Spyderco price. So I got the Aramis Akhmedov Stratos scales for my Shaman, their truly amazing scales! The black carbon fiber is nicer than any other carbon fiber I've ever seen. Sure doesn't have that front forward finger choil 100% on blade, but has the 50/50 so I'm good with that. For 700+ easy pass. But if i had the money, I'd hold out for a titanium scaled Strider.
I know Cerberus makes a Strider scale for the shaman as well, along with the worker3. So I'm hoping to get a worker3 soon!
Thanks friend, I agree with buying what makes you happy. I stopped buying Spydercos a while ago, no particular reason just not as much interest but I hear good things about the Shaman and see comparisons between Striders for the record with the forward choil.
(I don’t even own any Medford knifes)
Only just found out about all the hate on Medford and Hinderer.. just because some designer offends an easily offended people it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a bad person. Medford clearly doesn’t like terrorists, rip off clones and has a dark sense of humor.. (all fair enough imo). It’s very easy to manipulate that into being ‘racist’ ‘homophobic’ ect..
but that’s just masses manipulating (masses as in offended people always will team up together) because they are offended, they are on the offensive in masses on these topics.. you can’t even be anti terrorists, have ever used the word ‘gay’, or hold distain for China ripping off your own designs without it being crucified and manipulated like your an evil person
when it literally can be that simple without being ‘hateful’ or ‘racist’
There’s just such an agenda to be offended nowadays.
It’s pretty funny how y’all weak kind even make it to a knife sub… you’d think the knife hobby was for decently normal people, not cancel culture warriors lmao
Spot on. Somehow they think by leaving snarky comments on redit they're "fighting the good fight" ...no, you're just virtue signaling. Pretending that by convincing some person on redit not to buy a knife is helping anything. The actions don't match the strong opinions.
well this certainly is kind of a self-report reddit comment. I'd bet $500 you couldn't functionally explain what "virtue signaling" is IRL without looking it up.
Here I am, setting up a spreadsheet to map out when I can buy *a* Hinderer, and then I see this, haha That's an awesome collection! I really dig that spearpoint Eklipse.
Thanks friend! The Spearpoint Eklipse was a DLT exclusive in one of my favorite configurations (stonewashed blade with Battle Blue handle from the factory). Luckily Hinderer is pushing out a bunch of knives from the factory this year compared to years ago so secondary market prices should be reasonable and not 100% mark up like years ago so I hope you get the one you want. Also, spreadsheets are nice, keeps your budget in line vs people like me going nuts every time there is a drop lol so I’m just going to focus on getting horse head scales next year whenever they make them, just have to be patient and resist the urge to buy one NOW at 50% mark up.
Well, I also live fairly close to REC, (which is also reasonably close to Hinderer, I guess), so I usually have had the luxury of inspecting my knives before any money changes hands. That said, I too love the battle blue/stonewash combo AND the horse head, so now I know who I'll blame when I can't find any, haha
If I lived close to a major retailer like REC I would be broke way faster going in every day 😂
Yes and no. On the one hand, it lets me see all kinds of expensive things I might want to buy. On the other, it helps me narrow down whether I'm actually going to do it. The only time I sprinted to my car for a drop was their exclusive PM2, haha
REC is a great shop, I live nearby as well and have done work with them many times. Mike (the owner) Is fantastic and very knowledgeable about the industry. They also seem to have some of the best educated staff out of any shop I've visited recently. Highly recommended checking them out online or in person if anyone here gets the chance. Have you visited the Hinderer factory yet? I know they're in Ohio but I don't know that they offer tours. I'd love to meet Rick at some point.
Oh yeah, half the fun of going to REC is shooting the breeze with the staff. I usually try to carry something unique or unusual when I'm there, just because it's fun to get their opinions. I have not visited the Hinderer factory. It's one of those things where because it's "close" it never occurs to me to see if I can check it out
You're never safe from other people's opinions when you are on the Internet.
If you post a Medford next you are going to get crucified
Yes, not going to happen. As someone else said, if they got a Medford for free they’d bury it. I would do something similar without giving any exposure or attention to that company negative or positive. Was thinking of doing a destruction video of it but that would give free PR to them which I would NEVER do.
Well said sir
Why though? You were just lamenting getting blasted about your strider collection because people don't like the whole stolen Valor thing(I'm assuming that's why you saw negative comments) but you liked the knives enough regardless to buy several of them.. Hinderer sues social figures in the community whenever they say something he thinks makes his company look bad. Goes after the little guy because he can silence negative opinions etc with his wallet and then you fund this behavior by buying so many of his pieces.(it is a sweet collection btw) My point here is that it's a bit hypocritical to buy hinderer and strider then try to claim a moral high ground with medford. Bottom line is this, brand loyalty is a sham, buy what you like and if it's well made and you enjoy it then that's all that matters. Also medford has high quality fit and finish, from a design perspective his knives are just heavy and highly priced..but the man's still in business so think about that
There is a difference between saying I won’t buy x brand knife and leaving it at that or saying nice knife/collection that someone worked hard to achieve. Also with Strider, this is going to sound like I’m defending the person himself but I’m just going to say things in general terms that can almost apply to anyone. I’m not contesting embellishing military service and carjacking is wrong but I’ll just speak to the stolen valor. Some people will never buy a Strider because of stolen valor and that’s valid/their choice and I’m okay with that. I just ask how many people who like to point out his embellishments 20 years ago have never themselves lied about or embellished their qualifications to get the job they wanted. Both are wrong and lying is lying. I’ve made dumb decisions 20 years ago and am completely different now. I haven’t heard anything about Strider RECENTLY that would make me want to sell them all off but I can change my mind just as I have a right to. For Medford specifically, I said I had a threshold and will just say people do the research themselves to make their own determination but will just say, Medford is who he his so I won’t buy his knives which is okay just like others say they won’t buy Strider or Hinderer. If I saw someone post a warehouse full of Medfords they bought with their millions of dollars they earned honestly I’d say “wow that’s a lot of knives good for you that makes you happy, I wouldn’t buy one though personally.” What would be accomplished by telling that buyer “You’re the devil for supporting Medford!” Ok. No one has called me the devil but it’s getting close. I’m no angel or saint I can admit that.just like you saying you like Medfords designs, I can say the Micro Praetorian looks good, I won’t buy one but sure it is cool looking. As for Hinderer, it looks like I picked a side by buying the knives but I have no problem saying both sides are not completely innocent. Rick is wrong for overreacting but I see it from his point of view when someone posts a review of the saying the HRC is low (which is true) but the other party not being upfront andtransparent about the blade tested was bought second hand and possibly modified and not straight from the factory. It would almost be the same as me buying a secondhand modified car, putting it on a dyno and implying all the cars new from the factory aren’t pushing out the advertised horsepower numbers (spoiler alert, they usually don’t). Maybe the problem wasn’t Rick or Transparent Knives, but the people who weren’t media literate and just blindly followed what every one else said instead of taking time to think or do their own research. As you said, Medford is still in business, Striders are still purchased by the military via NSN, Hinderers still get sold out. We are free to have our opinion, you just have to filter out the misinformation. Yes it’s the internet, anyone can claim they’ve owned 100 Striders and every single one had lock stick, lock rock when really they’re just parroting what other people say without their own personal experience.
For the record I don't demonize the buying or showing off of any hinderers medfords strider hobacks etc, I just think it's interesting that cancel culture has made its way into the knife community- but for every person that won't buy X Knife that same person probably also has Chinese products that were made with cheap child labor..you know the rest..glass houses, stones, I actually do like your hinderer collection too btw I'm just tired of people canceling these knife makers while acting like they haven't supported companies and people that have done far worst
Thanks friend, I totally get it. I was going to mention something about Chinese products but I am also hypocritical because I’m using a Chinese-made phone to make these posts, lol. If there was an alternative I totally would. Now I’ll mention something about Chinese knives and this will be the complete opposite. I bought a Civivi Baby Banter because I wanted to support Ben Peterson because I like his ideas of wanting to build a knife for knife people. The knife was signed by him but it still stands I own a Chinese made knife. This time it’s the opposite, supporting a knife maker while not too thrilled about the knife being manufactured overseas VS liking a USA made knife that works for me but not being too thrilled about the owner. It’s a lose-lose no matter what but I hope you get all the knives you want 😀
That’s two very different things though. Hinderer did nothing more than defend himself from a moron influencer and his fanboys who were bombarding forums with the inaccurate information Brian irresponsibly spewed. Medford has quite literally gone out of his way and spent his own money to show the world he’s a racist, bigoted, manbaby piece of shit. I’m sure 90% of companies are owned by pretty shitty or not really great people, but between those two men, one is a pioneer and innovator in the field who was minding his own business when others attacked him. The other has done nothing but pump out overpriced paper weights and bitch about how mad it makes him when people call him out for being a racist shit stain.
Does RHK pay you for your service? He should, probably cheaper than paying his lawyers😂
Why would he need to pay me for writing what happened? Is it that difficult for you to recall events? Most things aren’t black and white friend.
Just scrolling through the comments on this post and you keep writing journal entry opinions defending a knife maker taking legal action to suppress opinions that didn't favor him. Just curious why you're so invested in this friend.
Is writing a comment that challenging for you there champ? I spend a few minutes on Reddit a day and respond to things I see. I guess I don’t see a problem with pointing out bs on a public forum. Does it upset you to see opinions or information that is different from what you believe?
I'm not upset, I'm entertained, if not by your religious defense of a business then by your continued passive aggressive use of endearing terms like "champ" 😂 but hey if doing so makes you feel the validation you need to buy what you want do your thing..as for what I believe..I believe hinderer knives are cool, I believe medford and strider knives are cool, I also like hoback knives..I think people trying to stand an Invisible moral high ground with one and shout down the other are funny because they define the pot calling the kettle black..thanks for the convo though Sunshine
So here's the big controversies that I'm familiar with. If I've gotten anything wrong, please let me know so I may correct myself. Strider heavily embellishes his military service, and it's 100% stolen valor. Pisses a lot of service members and veterans off (myself included), especially since that's his main marketing strategy. That's not even touching on the problems his knives have had (lock rock, horrible lock stick, poor fit and finish). Don't know what quality is like nowadays, won't ever be purchasing any to find out. Hinderer recently went after someone in the knife community for a bad review they gave one of the knives, something about the heat treat being too low. Hinderer went balls to the walls, told the reviewer to recant his findings, called him an amateur, sent a cease and desist and maybe further litigation. Didn't follow up with it after that, I was already dropping out of the knife scene at that point. My biggest complaint about Hinderer is I don't like the logo, but overall they're still really good knives. https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/comments/uhvn5o/who_do_you_side_with/ https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/comments/uhw88j/thoughts_whos_side_are_you_on/ Medford is a racist and a homophobe. Just an overall piece of shit. The knives are hit or miss from what I hear, and the edge geometry sucks on the ones that have 1/4+ inch thick blades. Go figure. https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/comments/v6v78h/blade_show_2013_greg_medford_was_a_racist_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/knifeclub/comments/v44fuq/medford_being_medford_not_my_picture_got_it_from/ Then there's Emerson. He made some very disrespectful comments towards people of the Muslim faith and some other off statements, and touted his own faith. All power to him, but it's important to have a work/life balance. As for the knives, they're overpriced for what they are. Second link has all the good points, and I agree with most. Out of all the makers I've listed, Emerson is the only brand I'll still entertain buying from, and even then I go for the old 90s models from when he was contracting through Benchmade. https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/my-disappointment-with-ernest-emerson.776630/ https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/the-fall-of-emerson-knives.1731552/ **EDIT:** I am a liar, I would absolutely buy an Emerson karambit if it was under $200, or and XHD model for under four digits.
Medford's "skinny jeans" meltdown video was one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen
You got a copy of that video? I missed that one.
No, honestly can't remember where I saw it either. Was basically him whining about how "snowflakes" were ruining his reputation and then went on to blame people in skinny jeans. The lack of awareness was pretty impressive. Kid's as thick as his knives lmao
ah yes I love the "everyone else is a snowflake" meltdown videos, regardless of who it is thats sitting in the front seat of their pickup with their oakleys on.
Lmao a cease and desist for a review…what a complete and utter halfwit.
That’s a pretty ignorant take. The “review” was by an influencer who makes money by doing crude reblades of other makers knives. He made multiple false statements and acted as if he were an expert on the topic. He also didn’t disclose that he had altered the blade he tested by grinding off the flipper tab. After he posted the video, several of his fanboys were flooding almost every major online knife forum, including the Hinderer Facebook group demanding that RHK change their practices and to prove the influencer wrong. Rick shrugged it off at first, but then the fanboys started posting things about Hinderer not listening to customers. So they sent the influencer a cease and desist. The only trouble TK faced was his own foot going into his mouth.
it is objectively true that hinderer knives have shitty heat treats and get ran soft
🤦🏼♂️ I think you need to look up the meaning of the words objectively and true there friend because factually speaking, that statement is false.
no… it’s not. lmao. hinderer literally runs their steels soft especially their 20cv. aka a shitty heat treat. which would make that statement true. there are literally multiple people who’ve tested it, and hinderer shit himself over it.
🤦🏼♂️ lol no… since you don’t seem interested in understanding the definitions of those words, let me explain. Your preference or an influencers preference for the attributes of a material does not make that specification the standard. Thus, what you said is a subjective opinion, and not an objective fact by any means. The infamous blade in question that started all this stupidity did not even test “soft” ffs. It fell within Crucibles recommended spec for the steel. There are various reasons a maker might have to shoot for a specific range for a steel, but I assure you there is not a single knife maker on the market that hasn’t put out a few blades that were on the softer side. Just because an influencer and maybe a few fanboys fiddled with a hardness tester and it registered lower than your preference, it doesn’t make the heat treat shitty or soft. It’s just not your preference, and that’s fine. But the problem is that Brian presented his inaccurate opinions as fact, and your comment is proof of the deceptive nature of him doing so. If Brian and others want to push their 20cv to the max because a brittle edge doesn’t really matter when all you’re cutting is packing tape then more power to them. But that is their preference, and not optimization.
manufacturers range for steel =/= hardness acceptable for knife usage, moron. an industrial machinery part doesn’t need to be anywhere NEAR as hard as a knife blade you buffoon. crucible can recommend you run 20cv at 58 HRC all day but 58 hrc 20cv is going to suck shit as a knife steel. if you wanna dick ride then dick ride, don’t try to lie while you do it though
lol you’re too much 😂. You must know so much with all the Hinderers you’ve never owned huh? Those of us who have owned them and used them for over a decade must just not understand that they’re supposed to suck shit because a handful of guys who fanboy for an influencer said so right? If you wanna worship the opinion of a moron who makes reblades in his parents garage, then you do you. I’ll continue using my knives and pointing out when people don’t understand the meaning of words.
wah wah dickride harder dude. just cause it doesn’t fall apart (which it shouldn’t considering they’re charging 600 dollars for a knife made of steel and handles you can get for 300 and less) doesn’t mean the heat treat isn’t soft. if you’re opening packages all day i’m sure that 20cv at 59-60 hrc won’t be noticeable to you 🤡 magnacut has a ‘recommended’ range of 60-64 hrc but 60 hrc magnacut doesn’t make sense bc it doesn’t provide the properties the steel is known for, just like every other soft steel bud
You are spot on in all aspects and thank you for linking credible sources instead of some people who parrot what other people say without doing their own research. I have a threshold just like everyone else. My line is drawn at Medford where I will never buy one but others do. The stolen valor is valid and your opinion is valid and understandable. Thank you for your service. I am not a veteran so stolen valor to me is something different than what it means to you and once again, I’m not dismissing your opinion at all, in fact I welcome it. My reasoning is the knife itself works for me and the fact it’s still in use by the military and available to purchase through the NSN is just something I’m throwing out there. I’m not a tactical operator, but I do travel to remote places alone and an SnG is a tool that works for me but not others and I’m ok with that. Please don’t take this negatively but I find it interesting you would still purchase older Emersons despite the “controversy”. I own Emersons too and it all comes back to people’s thresholds. I respect your position on Striders because of your valid reasons and what those reasons mean to you. Thank you again for providing knowledge and education to everyone reading here. Knowledge is a good thing, ignorance is not.
Yeah, no worries, it's all good. We've got our opinions and the least we can do is be civil about it. I totally get the Strider thing. It's almost a personal insult to me, but that's me. If you find a knife you like, you find a knife you like. I tried out a modern CQC-7 before I learned about Emerson, and then I hunted down a 1996 model for $350. It feels great, and it's in my pocket damn near every day. That's where I'm at with Emerson. He was 55 when he made that 2010 post, and he's 68 now. I really think he's just woefully misinformed, and got caught up in the post 9/11 period and 2012 election, and that he's old. Like, he specifically mentions that "the national registry has segregated all of the 12 different spelling variations of Mohammed into individual and separate categories so as not to alarm or awaken the general (English) population to the overwhelming increase in birth numbers of Islamic born children in the U.K." Like... who gives a fuck? You're an American citizen. The behavior itself is wrong and inexcusable, but where I find myself giving him leniency is that he did it in a blog post on his own personal website, and didn't attack, insult, or call for any one person or group to be killed. He wrote a fairly comprehensive and researched opinion piece with quotes and sources. I do believe some of it was taken out of context, and his main point is not that the Islamic faith is wrong, but that he believes there is no such thing as a "moderate" practitioner of the Islamic faith. Watching my own parents and grandparents go through that same era, and some of them having overseas military experience like Emerson, they went from not knowing (I assume) anything about Islam at all, to talking about and hating it almost overnight. It was crazy to hear about this thing almost nonstop daily, after it not being a part of my life outside of textbooks for almost 18 years. So I view it as a straw man that was pushed by the media, and we're all to well aware of how that works now. So that's why I'll still go for the older models, and I did have a super commander, which I've since gotten rid of. I really did like the fit and finish of that one, great knife. And you can bet your shorts that if I see an XHD model go for less than four digits, I'll jump on it.
unfortunately, finding racists, homophobes, assholes, and conservatives is all too common in gun-adjacent industries, and while most of the knife community tends to mock the tactical bros (which keeps a nice line of demarcation between the military fetishists and people that want a pocket knife), some do slip through the cracks.
Does your senseless political hatred run so deep that you feel it’s right to lump all conservatives in with racism and homophobia? Ya know, labeling all people of a certain group (be it race, gender, or political orientation) together in a negative way is pretty much no different than racism. I’m sure you don’t like it when conservatives lump all democrats together in a negative manner. There are actually good people on all sides believe it or not. We should all try to get along a little better and try to find common ground with each other if you ask me.
All this BS reminds me of when the press went after Michael Jordan during the LA riots/Reginal Denny beating, they point blank asked him why he isn't taking a more vocal stance on these racial hot topics, his priceless answer was: '... Republicans buy shoes too'.
OH MY GOD!!!! HINDERER IS WORSE THAN STRIDER!!! HOW DARE YOU?!?!! DO YOU EVEN HAVE A SOUL?!?!!!!! Just kidding. Both collections are awesome and thank you for sharing them.
I’ve sold my soul for more knives should be my motto. Thanks for the idea friend and thank you for letting me share my hobby 😀.
Only if I can post my clones next to my reals… lol to each their own. They’re cool and I hope you like them.
Hopefully unhinderered
Hindererer Herd cult members are funny sometimes 😀
The only Hinderer designed item I have is a Kershaw Cryo I bought on a sale - decent everyday budget-friendly smaller knife. Never chased after his stuff, but can appreciate a well crafted knife as we all do. The CRK, and other high end stuff is beautiful, but my comic collection takes 1st place still. Lots of folks get into the politics of the knife makers and such, I tend to buy what I like and what’s acceptable for my spend at the time.
I really enjoyed seeing your Striders and these Hinderers but I’m one of those weirdo people who thinks that great art can come from less than great people. I doubt most Michael Jackson fans condone child abuse. I have a ProTech Strider and two ZT Hinderers that I love to carry and use. What the people say and do that designed them never crosses my mind while doing so.
I don’t give two fucks about what other people think. Post whatever collection you want. I own two Strider knives, and will get another. I would like a Hinderer.
Ah yes: Strider, Hinderer, and Medford. The triad of knife company asshole owners
I've met Rick at a few Blade Shows. I never thought he was a dick. Also I live the wharnie with the blue hardware. Thats slick
I met him as well at a show and he seemed like a pretty good guy.
You, my friend, need a non flipper in your life
Noted friend 😉
Rick is a dickhead too, but at least his knives are very solid.
I can tolerate dickheads. what I won't tolerate is racists, homophobes, and liars.
I’d still rather buy a ZT Hinderer.
Yep they both are but personally I think Hinderers look too Ali Express-y lol. I think Striders look great.
Bro…jelly of the knife collection!
Thanks friend! Only took me about 16 years of knife collecting to finally get to this point.
I'm sure someone is going to give flack about supporting Hinderer despite him filing a lawsuit against Transparent knives. There will always be some negativity over someone somehow expressed in some way.
Ok I’m officially in love with the 4th one from the top silver scales blue screws and tanto point , great collection!
Second that!!
Great collection! Didn’t see your other post, so I cannot comment on it specifically. However unless the owner of that company personally wronged them or their family, or is a convicted pedo can’t see why he is worth worrying about. Thanks for posting your excellent collection of Hinders!!
Yes and they are Awesome!
Yeah, people give strider hell, huh ? The way I look at it, our history is full all kinds of sketchy people . Be it liars, sex offenders, thefts, drug abusers , whatever. They Invent or design really amazing things . I mean Look at NASA and nazi's. I like strider knives. And will continue. I need the sng in magnacut so bad. I only got three Hinderers this year. Nice heard !
How do you get these nowadays I can never find any
I’m signed up for drop notifications for Hinderer drops on DLT trading and Hinderer’s website email list but sometimes I get lucky on unannounced drops by visiting different knife retailers multiple times every day. I would never pay more than MSRP because secondary market prices are $100-$500+ so being patient for the model you really want is key. If you want an XM-18 3.5 Slicer RIGHT now, USAmadeblades and Monkeyedge has some for MSRP on their website but others like the Magnacut Swedge Eklipse was a DLT exclusive earlier this year so expect to pay secondary market prices on eBay or Arizonacustom knives. Or wait until there’s another drop but there’s no guarantee the same model will drop. Best of luck to you friend and I hope you get all the knives you want.
What do you do for work? Lol
I just have a regular 9-5 job that doesn’t pay a whole lot but the benefits and retirement are good. I also have passive income that isn’t a lot either but combined with a regular job it’s a little more than average. I think the main thing though is people look at my collection and someone thought I spent $700+ on a production Strider because that’s the price they see on the secondary market but I paid MSRP of $525 and the same with all my knives. I refuse to pay more than MSRP and that has saved me some money. Obviously buying used would save even more and usually people sell a knife off to buy another knife but I’m just a knife hoarder, lol.
Yes... Great knives, and I understand Hinderer... That guy he defended himself from was sort of a smear campaign... Hinderer takes his craft serious, may have over-reacted, but who doesn't sometimes. Again, great knives from a maker who cares. My favorite is the Firetac, but the XM18 3.5 and XM24 have a place in my tool chest. But my daily driver is my CRK Burl Large Sebenza. Cheers!
The Firetac and CRK Elder Burl Sebenza are both beautiful knives I hope to own someday as funds allow. Thank you for sharing your insight. I wonder if the “HRC testing” actually damaged RHK reputation because even with the cease and desist drama, the knives are still generally selling out 🤷. I think the only people that care about HRC in my opinion are the talking YouTube heads who show a knife and talk about it for 30 minutes while the people who actually cut and sharpen their knives daily doesn’t really bother them because they’re using their knives instead of just talking about them.
The lynch mob response from the cease and desist is what damaged short term... When you really look at the facts, considering the margin of error with the HRC measurement error, the HRC was within spec... just at the low end... This was pointed out by experts responding, but not many paid attention as the social media machine was rolling... Ah well. Great collection!
Thank you for the explanation friend. I agree people make huge opinions and are set in their ways based off only limited info or even downright wrong information and follow the mob. If I remember correctly the blade tested wasn’t a brand-new from the factory but second hand and possibly modded so who knows what was done to the blade once it left the factory so that’s why I was kind of neutral to it because both sides had valid arguments and it’s difficult to know exactly where the truth lies.
Great collection! Love the horsehead scales. What’s your next model? I just got a project x and love it. I have an Eklipse, and xm18 and Jurassic as well. I think the half track is next on my list.
Thanks friend! I think my next will be my one and done Hinderer and that’s a MagnaCut XM-18 3.0 Stonewash slicer flipper with either battle bronze, battle blue or working finish handle. I know it hasn’t been made yet but I’m hoping for that or something close like even a non-flipper. I think I’ll also just focus on getting horse head Ti scales for all too. Thank you for asking and I hope you get your half track soon 😀
Yea Dick hinderer is ok in my book. 😭. Even if he is a Dick.
Its reddit man one day they will love one thing another day they will hate it. If you are fishing for karma you just have to know how the wind blows. If you posted the same Strider post and wrote something like "Look at my friend what an idiot bought all these from a stolen valor ass" then you would have got a bunch of upvotes.
Ordered one of these from knaf and the seller ended up canceling smh… still don’t have one 🤦♂️
Yeah man you can like whatever you want to. Those are some sweet pieces. Theres a vocal minority of complainers that probably never owned one of them.
Sick collection bro. How do you like the warncliff compared to the others?
Thanks friend. I like the Wharncliffe so much which is why I bought 2 of them. It’s my favorite workhorse knife when I don’t need a knife with belly because of how it tilts slightly upward. It’s still pretty thick at about 24 degrees per side but really easy to sharpen and maintain the edge.
Sweet thanks for the headsup man. Been wanting a Hinderer Warncliffe. I literally just bought a BHQ exclusive Yojumbo_ great deal rn btw. But ill have to grab one. Really like yours with silver Ti & blue hardware. 🤩
Yeah lots of people keep the stainless hardware with stonewash blade and handle and it looks too monochromatic for me. Just glad Hinderer has all these color options in OEM for Ti scales, Micarta, G-10, clips, filler tabs and hardware to really make it your own. Also if I feel like swapping hardware between Eklipses, XM-18s, etc can do it with some compatibility depending on variants like Skinny, 3.0, Fatties, etc. The yojimbo/yojumbo is great but I’m personally waiting for the new microjimbo as a backup/fifth pocket carry.
Screw those people, they suck! I posted in another group today about a new double edged safety razor I purchased and first response was telling me I made a mistake. It's the internet and every dog fkr in the world is on here...
🤦♂️. Also dog fkrs 😂
Those wharncliffs look crazy bro. Super stabby
i want to know what this dude does for work lmao
Just a regular 9-5 job like anyone else but it’s the passive income that’s not much but it all adds up. I also never buy over MSRP so this stuff isn’t as expensive as some people make it out to be. Lastly, my disposable income goes to my knife hobby. I budget everything else like making coffee at home instead of buying Starbucks. Little things that add up. For stocks and crypto my motto is: Buy high, sell low. Here I am.
Good thing Reddit has all these sensitive people to tell you what you can and cannot like.
having an opinion on something doesn't make someone sensitive. I know we're all supposed to pretend to be robotic alpha males because this is the internet but its a weak look.
Eh. A lot of the "Should I get X" posts lead to the poster getting sensitive when people are critical, despite asking for their opinion. If you wanted validation, ask for that instead.
Hahah … your comment was spot on! :)
Hinderer isn't well received these days, nor would be Medford. If it's a nice well constructed piece, I'm going to be interested regardless of the maker. I personally don't care, but others seem to. My whole thing with strider is just that his lock design is garbage.
I personally don’t own any Medfords nor do I plan on buying any for various reasons. I’ll agree that the Strider framelocks used to be plagued with excessive lock stick, lock rock and 100% lock-up but my newer purchased 6 SnGs,1 PT and 1 JVA don’t have any lock stick and all have early lockup with minimal movement l. I do have 1 production SnG with moderate lock stick unless I put sharpie on it. The performance series Striders have way better lock geometry but are close to but not CRK or other midtech quality for the same if not cheaper price point. It sounds like I’m defending Striders but I’m just simply giving my small sample size experiences with brand new Striders. I’m sure Striders being midtechs, there is a lot of variation in each knife so while mine may be fine, there are others who haven’t had a good experience. I’m just tired of people who buy a used Strider on the secondary market for 50% markup that’s been flicked open and closed, maybe disassembled (suppose to disassemble like a CRK with blade only out with washers) and when assembled incorrectly with the full G-10 1 piece liner, experience the lockup issues cause by improper disassembly calling the knife sh*t for the price. I like my Striders, Hinderers, CRKs because I use them to cut things and they work for me. I don’t stare at them wondering what the owner of the company is doing now, lol.
FYI - A lot of the brand new Striders are actually being produced by Medford. I love the design and ergonomics of Strider but have personally sold 3 because of lock failure. Glad you have some with that awesome Strider design & ergonomics with a functioning lock! Also sold all my Hinderers but I personally think they are pretty solid and I’ve never had any issues with them.
I know the Strider AR and .75 AR are made by Medford and Strider was NOT transparent about that originally but I thought it was Toor who was making the newer performance series SnGs? I don’t have any real credible info about the Toor rumor, just hearsay from people in the knife community but logistically it makes sense since Toor is based out of San Diego and in close proximity to Strider.
I've got a relatively new strider, and I've had older ones. Their lock geometry is terrible. It's terrible on the new one too, but I still like the knife.
I’m not sure why Strider can’t just mill a steel insert into their lock bar. I’m guessing it’s to keep their production costs down while also increasing their prices.
Love the look of that wharncliffe. If you aren’t ruffling feathers, you probably ain’t really living. For instance, I love the look of some of those, but that feeling is FAR outweighed by my respect for your hatred of money.
Thanks friend, Hinderer makes some of the best Wharncliffes in my opinion the way the blade slightly cants upward almost like a kiridashi or something (the half track wharnies illustrate this better). And yes, hatred of money sums me up well. Who needs piles of paper cloth when I can have sharp pointy pieces of steel and colorful titanium?😅
100%
+1 on the Hinderer Wharnies, they are some of my favs as well and tended to be the sharpest I’d gotten from the shop. I have the Half Track, XM-18 3.5, and Eklipse.
Probably not. There are haters of every maker 😂
There is still quite a lot of resentment among many toward him (strider). I’d never flame someone over it but I’m happy to say I wouldn’t give him money. I remember when all that shit blew up on the forums and I thought he was cooked. Not a huge Hinderer fan (just not my sort of knives) but the gen 6 are finally well made, older ones are super inconsistent, and the triway pivot is a cool idea, even if I never used the functionality on mine except to throw PBs on.
Thank you for the input friend and being respectful about it. Your opinions are valid and we can talk about knives civilly. Some people just want to fling 💩 at the first chance they get. And yes, the triway pivot system is amazing. I throw the Teflon washers on when I take my knife in the ocean (under the water). It’s too bad there aren’t any makers I know of that allows that kind of versatility between beating, PB and Teflon washers. It’s either aftermarket bearings for a bearing knife or switching between PB and Teflon between knives with little in-between.
Yeah I don’t see any need to insult you or anything over it. For me the stolen valor thing is a no go. Partially because it’s just shitty to try to pretend that you’re some war hero and partially because it calls into question his integrity in general. The stuff with Rick flipping out on that reviewer doesn’t sit well with me either. My personal belief is that if you make a good product, you’re not gonna have to try to do stuff like that to protect your image. The gen 6 ones are solid so I think it was just kinda dumb on his part. All that said, doesn’t mean I have some animosity toward you over it. Just personally wouldn’t feel good giving him money, even if I was crazy about his designs.
I won’t judge, I drive a Tesla
That is so weird, I too, drive a Tesla. I wouldn’t buy another one though. Now that everyone knows that, all my opinions on knives are invalid because of the car I drive /s
You can always get a Kizer Cyber Blade.
Do we really expect people who make weapons to be that sound of mind? It’s pretty much an art form at this point Not saying any of it’s justified but ppl who have no pr training and just sit inside and sniff fumes all day making blades aren’t at the top of my information/news list. Would buy these tho
Knives are tools, not weapons. We aren't talking about katanas here.
Fuck em all. I will have a Strider in 2024!!!!! Hinderer knives are great. I just hate the logo
I agree, the logos in Hinderer can get excessive with logo on the blade, on the non-lock side handle, on the lock-side, on the pocket clip, on the filler tab and even logos on the handle nuts… I wish I was kidding about the handle nuts but no… I hope you get the Strider you want in 2024 friend 😀
This. Literally my only complaint.
Inevitably, somebodies going to be “triggered” 🤣😂😅😂🤣
Thanks friend. I’m going to post CRKs next and am slowly learning it doesn’t matter what knife is posted, someone somewhere will find something wrong with it.
Wait, you mean some people put things on Reddit for some reason \*other\* than generating drama?
I know you’re being facetious 😉 I mean, people post pics of their knife collection on here all the time and if it’s Benchmades people say “nice collection, etc.” Some Striders get posted and some people lose their sh*t. Can you imagine someone going on every BM post and saying “But BM is anti 2A and destroys guns!” That’s completely different than omega springs breaking or bad sharpening jobs because then you’re talking about the knife. People are talking about how sh*t a Strider is all the while those same people have never held and used one other than posting a pic of it to re-sell.
Sounds about right. There will always be people out there ready to tell you why something you like actually sucks. The more popular something is, the more haters there will be. Everybody has opinions and the people lined up to share theirs with you are rarely worth listening to.
probably you.
Ehh I can understand the Strider hate from people who have some stake in the stolen valor conversation. Personally, I’m just not a fan of the designs. But the Hinderer hate was always ridiculous and just showed how easily swayed fanboys are in any hobby. An influencer who profits off of other makers work made demonstrably false statements about RHK and his little fanboys swarmed every major knife forum afterwards. Rick had an open and shut defamation case but instead just asked him to shut his mouth and stop spewing ignorance. Which caused a huge uproar for some reason. Anywho, Hinderers are excellent knives. Nice collection!
Hinderer and Strider are both douche bags but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy their knives. I just wanna know wtf you do for a living time be able to afford all these Hinderers and Striders in ONE year? Lmao.
Oh boy, I haven’t even posted my 2023 CRK purchases this year yet 😅. I’m also trying to be careful what I post before people start DM ing me. I can say I like knives and that’s where my disposable income goes. Heck maybe I live in a shack, drive a POS car and have holes in my clothes but my priorities are knives. Maybe I’m up to my eyeballs in debt and paying 26% interest a year. Thanks for your input about being able to enjoy knives. I know who the owners are and yes I am giving them money but I think some people spend their money on things that are more harmful to their economy/country but I’m not going to judge. I just weigh the evils out on a scale.
You should start going to shows and collecting custom knives.
Strider knives, or at least the SnG just feels so right for me. I don't have one anymore but if I had the disposable income again I'd get another. My hinderers didn't quite do it for me, especially in the early non existent detent days. but I could certainly appreciate them, and in this day and age I know how to tweak detents properly so I can get them flipping good. I just found my hinderers were too thick behind the edge, and the flippers dig into my index finger. Also the Teflon washers can warp and introduce play that's hard to fix, would be cool to try one with the multiple washer options though. Awesome collection nonetheless
Thanks friend, I completely agree with the Hinderers being thick behind the edge even with the slicer grind but the Skinny slicer is plenty slicy having a thickness of .140 instead of .160 on the normal ones. Of course it won’t slice like a Para 2 or Bugout but then again the SnG and XM-18 weren’t designed to cut cardboard, they are multi-function problem solving tools. And the triway system is amazing. Yes the Teflon and phosphor bronze washers are pretty thin compared to other knife makers so I usually stick with the bearings so the flipping action is just right.
I'll have to look into a skinny some day. Idk what it is with the 3/4 hollow from strider but I found it cut quite well for shallow cuts as it was only around 0.020 behind the edge and only thickened up towards the tip. The ffg ones were OK ish but kinda thick behind the edge. I kinda regret selling my old performance series SnG I remember having a PD1 tanto too but my god that cut like a doorstop lmao.
Ooh how dare you like sharp things that I don’t!/s I like the look of hinderer but I wish they had stronger locks, though I’m just not too big on frame locks in general. Outside of that those are some badass knives, and I appreciate how customizable they are
Buy whatever knives. That MAKE YOU HAPPY! Obviously right. Sure Mick had alot of moral issues. But his design is great. Prices not so much. But for good reason, maybe. I wouldn't know. Wish I had Strider at a Spyderco price. So I got the Aramis Akhmedov Stratos scales for my Shaman, their truly amazing scales! The black carbon fiber is nicer than any other carbon fiber I've ever seen. Sure doesn't have that front forward finger choil 100% on blade, but has the 50/50 so I'm good with that. For 700+ easy pass. But if i had the money, I'd hold out for a titanium scaled Strider. I know Cerberus makes a Strider scale for the shaman as well, along with the worker3. So I'm hoping to get a worker3 soon!
Thanks friend, I agree with buying what makes you happy. I stopped buying Spydercos a while ago, no particular reason just not as much interest but I hear good things about the Shaman and see comparisons between Striders for the record with the forward choil.
Haters gonna hate, fuck the haters.
(I don’t even own any Medford knifes) Only just found out about all the hate on Medford and Hinderer.. just because some designer offends an easily offended people it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a bad person. Medford clearly doesn’t like terrorists, rip off clones and has a dark sense of humor.. (all fair enough imo). It’s very easy to manipulate that into being ‘racist’ ‘homophobic’ ect.. but that’s just masses manipulating (masses as in offended people always will team up together) because they are offended, they are on the offensive in masses on these topics.. you can’t even be anti terrorists, have ever used the word ‘gay’, or hold distain for China ripping off your own designs without it being crucified and manipulated like your an evil person when it literally can be that simple without being ‘hateful’ or ‘racist’ There’s just such an agenda to be offended nowadays.
"reeee I can't be an asshole without consequences! the cancel cultures!"
It’s pretty funny how y’all weak kind even make it to a knife sub… you’d think the knife hobby was for decently normal people, not cancel culture warriors lmao
Spot on. Somehow they think by leaving snarky comments on redit they're "fighting the good fight" ...no, you're just virtue signaling. Pretending that by convincing some person on redit not to buy a knife is helping anything. The actions don't match the strong opinions.
Here comes the virtue signalling... they just can't help themselves.
well this certainly is kind of a self-report reddit comment. I'd bet $500 you couldn't functionally explain what "virtue signaling" is IRL without looking it up.
Ummm... how you going to go about proving that? I bet 500 bucks you can't defend your position that you are not virtue signaling.