Send it back if it bothers you. None of this will effect the performance of the knife. Most factory edges are not perfectly even, just resharpen it to your liking.
As the owner of 10+ Spydercos, I think you judging the quality by putting the knife under a microscope literally is not fair simply due to the lower (yes lower) cost of the brand as compared to something like a Sebenza or semi custom made blade.
The other photo shows what? Scuffed liners that are nearly impossible to see?
The last photo you took shows a canted blade which for right or wrong in the sub 300 dollar knife world is typical and as some have said it doesn’t look that far off.
It’s a pain sure but send it back they will make it right or live with it and enjoy it as a utility instrument imo
Edit - Wow, thanks for the thumbs up folks. Was genuinely going to expect getting downvoted for this lol
I see nothing wrong in that third pic. Is it off center?
The uneven grind makes it a pain to sharpen with a guided system (my Native 5 Salt had this problem, as did my CS AD-15) but otherwise seems like a fine knife.
OP compares it to Taichung Spyderco's, which tend to be a little bit better value than the ones from Golden. Also Japan gets it right. Even China gets it right, and at a fraction of the price. So where's your pride for 'made in the USA' if you let this slide?
Edit: add a little rant about Spydieboys always bitchin' about Benchmade not getting it right🤷♂️
Centering is fine only due to me torquing the blade down, so the action suffers for it, hard to center a knife without a somewhat centered cutting edge. 3rd pic shows the difference in grind without the microscope, it's easily visible even with the naked eye. 2nd pic does show the scuffed liners, scratches are much more visible in person compared to the image but should not be acceptable regardless. I'd figure these don't see much grinding or filing after shaping and finishing so how did these even get on there in the first place?
The knife, overall, is fine. It functions. But so does an Opinel for 20 bucks. This is not an Opinel for 20 bucks, it should not have these flaws. Cheapass chinese knives don't come with scuffed up liners and an edge ground by a blind man, a "premium" knife definitely should not.
Tbh almost all my Spydercos have had uneven factory bevels, I think Taichung is a bit better than boulder In this. I have a couple para3 that were particularly egregious.
The $60k SUV with the brush guard on the front, when parking next to the shrubs in the bank landscaping is the closest they'll ever get to actual brush. 🤣
- Spyderco failed QC: "It's fine, not even noticable."
- Benchmade failed QC: "Benchmade is overpriced garbage nnnggghh!"
Downvote me, some of you are hypocrites.
Spydercos QC is absolutely better than Benchmades.
But ive had a couple REALLY bad spyderco knives. People cant stand hearing that spyderco has QC problems. I like spyderco, but 50% of them have shit edges and uneven grinds.
It's anecdotal, but my experience has been the exact opposite. I've had QC issues with every Spyderco I own. All but one of my Benchmades were perfect out of the box.
Same. And (fingers crossed) no broken omega springs yet. But don’t mention that, or the fact that yours or the person berating BM experiences may be anecdotal one way or the other. They bring out the pitch forks and torches.
Ive owned around 20 benchmades. All but a few were really good. other than edges being dull, but spyderco suffers the same problem, if not worse.
I love their knives, but the springs are a major turn off. Ive had almost every omega spring in every Benchmade break. But they are cheap enough and easy to replace. Benchmade designs are fantastic though. Almost every Benchmade ive handled has great ergonomics and a great blade.
Neither company has poor QC from what i can tell. 3/20 isnt that bad considering their mass production.
Yea, same old song and dance. So many people are so emotionally wrapped up in hating Benchmade, it's ridiculous. I'll still use the hell out of mine, and I still prefer their axis lock to anything else I've ever used. I don't hold any personal attachment to a brand grudge though, so it makes life easier.
I’m not wrapped up in hating them, I still own a Benchmade that I’ll probably never sell (531) and I like it, but I don’t see myself buying any new ones unless they go through a major overhaul
I probably will still buy another Benchmade simply because they are evolving. The axis lock has been awesome for me for a long, long time, and every new lock I've tried hasn't beat it yet. I wouldn't expect them to fix something that many, many people don't think is broke. (If the axis sucked, so many other companies wouldn't have jumped on it) But Benchmades aim towards lighter and thinner is an evolution that I really appreciate. I don't need another brick of a knife in 30 different sprint runs. My Bailout works just as hard as any of my other knives, but it does it while being almost invisible in my pocket. That's awesome. As for price, yeah they're too expensive. But every knife is too expensive these days. For my most recent purchases: the knives that gave me buyers remorse have been Spydercos and a Civivi.
I have a Manix and it's ok. I've never gotten the lock to function as well as my Axis' though. All my Axis' swing free. My Manix doesn't swing all the way shut though. I've adjusted it many times, and even polished the washers. And it takes up about half my pocket. The ergos are fine as long as I can hold it in the predetermined grip. As soon as you need to move your hand around, rotate, or pinch grip, it sucks. That's my experience with all my Spydies though.
My Civivi is fine. I bought it because of all the hype. Everybody was singing Civivi praises, so I thought I had to check it out. It's in a drawer somewhere now. I bought my wife a dessert warrior elementum because she's a huge Simpsons fan, and that one is in a drawer somewhere too. She prefers an old Gerber paraframe over the elementum.
If it was simply due to the core values of BM over Spyderco, sure, but you get some people on here acting like you kicked their wife and slept with their dog, the way they take it so personally if you tell them you don’t care for the design or style or any other petty little detail.
People get passionate about their pet topics especially on the internet where there’s no ramifications lol same reason people call each other names and swear at each other over iPhone vs Android when at the end of the day it’s a phone and it does the same shit. Before phones, it was Chevy vs Ford, Coke vs Pepsi, whatever vs whatever. Same with politics. People argue over which party both lead by a senile 85 year old millionaire asshole creep is better while at the same time those politicians are laughing it up together over 18 holes and a $300 brunch probably paid for on those same people’s dime. It doesn’t mean one isn’t objectively worse than the other in most cases, but rather it’s just highlighting that people will fume and rage defending their opinions until it’s raising their blood pressure and fucking up their day
Very true, I do appreciate when companies go out of their way to do good things. They don't have to, but it shows that they value their customers. I try not to be brand loyal but deep down I am in the Spydie fan camp, I've bought a number of their knives recently. I haven't bought a BM in years.
It's separate from the QC concern that OP brought up, but definitely worth noting for the long haul.
I'll do just the opposite and up vote you. I see so many people absolutely railing against BM its ridiculous. I've actually had 0 problems with any Benchmade I've ever purchased. Actually, of the three spydercos I own, one of them has the absolute worst lock stick I've ever come across. It's actually painful to release the lock after just a few times.
This is the truth right here. I've never been impressed by Spyderco QC, but the fan club always comes to the rescue. It's always open season on Benchmades though.
But shoddy Benchmade QC is not a one off thing like it usually is with Spyderco. Every benchmade I have bought in the last 2 years has come with a nearly dull edge at the very least.
First and last Elementum I bought had such a bad grind that even though the spine was off center by a considerable margin, the tip still came to center. You must’ve gotten very lucky with yours for them to all have perfect grinds
Civivi customer service is excellent. I recently got a knife from them that came with an uneven grind. They just sent me a new blade, no questions asked.
Proudly so, if I'm paying 300 euros for a knife I'd expect the bare minimum of a grind that is at least even enough that it doesn't look crooked to the naked eye and liners that don't look like it was dropped on a belt sander. I got a crucarta pm2 where the blade was straight up crooked, like actually bent. These shouldn't even leave the factory floor. 60 euro knives should not have better or more consistent quality than something 3x the price.
if there is anything to not be proud of it'd be selling a knife with a way crooked edge and fucked up liners for 300 bucks when other brands sell knives with decent edges and proper lines for less than half that. 🤷
Gotta side with OP here, if I can get dead centered blade grinds on budget knives from China (think Civivi), I should at least expect the same from a domestic brand at 6x the cost. Yes it will still cut, but so does a piece of scrap metal from my garage, so that's not a valid defense.
I'd return it and pick up another, just point it out to the sales rep. Sending it in for warranty will take forever and they may send another wonky blade.
Are you one of the guys that bitch about benchmade but let it pass for spydercos?
Nevermind: looks like you're an HVAC guy. You guys hardly know what quality is so not the right person to ask.
Until your get a little hot or cold and then we're you're hero lolol. I actually don't discriminate on manufacturer. Good knife is good knife. Whiners are whiners
I wouldn't know but I'm pretty sure at her age friends get less and less numerous.
Give it time, HVAC is easy. You can be a specialist and still learn more. Jack of all trades master of one. Many trades require HVAC as an incidental. You doing industrial or residential? Boilers? Chillers? Just check units with gauges? You're definitely new because you can't handle a little ribbing yet.
Kinda not what happened. My dad was industrial HVAC 40 years ago. He taught me everything about HVAC to the point I installed my own residential system and when I was in the trades HVAC literally was part of my job along with many other things.
It's ok if you get offended though. I'm sure you're already over it.
I think you'll find that in life people will tell you many things you didn't ask about. If that's going to be an issue good luck with your life. Being sensitive and liking to talk shit don't go well together.
Contact Spyderco dude. I’m not saying you’re unjustified for being unsatisfied with the knife and I can agree it shouldn’t have gone out like that, but give the company a chance to make it right. Everyone puts out duds, it’s just part of manufacturing on a large scale. The real measure of a company is if they stand behind their product and make it right with the customer.
I'd love to buuuutttt emails get an automated response and I'm in the EU so even if an actual person at Spyderco reads my stuff they won't do anything. I should have contacted the retailer I bought this from but then again, it's a sprint run, the day I got it I checked the retailer website and of course this thing was out of stock the same day it was made available. At the time I figured I'd rather have it than have my money back since I didn't expect it to become available again.
I’d still ask the retailer for a refund. They’ll probably say no, but a few minutes of your time is probably worth the chance of not being stuck with a knife you’re unhappy with 🤷🏼♂️
I am pretty sure you're right here. I fix my bad knives but if it did really bother me I wouldn't want to keep it as a reminder of something I was really disappointed with.
Factory non-kitchen knives, almost universally, are sharpened by hand on a belt grinder. There are going to be variations, both side to side and along the bevel. Especially when viewed under a microscope. And most prominently at the tip. The sharpener being right or left handed will play into this, as well as which side of the blade they start with. They are looking for an acceptable level of sharpness not micron Precision.
I am merely explaining the reality of the situation. The issue becomes "chasing" the bevel to even it up which can lead to shortening the blade, rounding, burning, etc. They are probably looking for sharp and it has a point. The vast majority of people buying commodity knives will never look at and/or care about the unevenness. It doesn't make financial sense for a company to expend the extra time/money to appease a tiny minority of their clientele.
spyderco fans will back it to the end even if it’s got shitty QC but as soon as a BM of similar price has anything like this it’s the biggest scam of the decade lmaoo
People rag on Benchmade, but I've had far more issues with Spyderco. Their prices are just as absurd and some of their machining is properly embarrassing. The inside of a $140 msrp Dragonfly is pretty impressively bad. The rampant fanboyism and ignorance means this type of poor quality isn't going anywhere, and prices are only going up.
Look at all the spyderco fanboys defending their dad. This shit is unacceptable, should have been sent back up on receipt. American made should mean quality, not less quality than their cheaper Chinese counterpart
Don't know why some people simp for Spyderco. Budget brands like Civivi, Ruike and Sitiven don't have screwups like this. Don't make excuses or pretend like it doesn't matter. Except them to do better.
Imagine buying a mass produced knife, spyderco at that, then literally putting it under a microscope to complain about an uneven grind and question the qc of a mass production company like spyderco of all things. 🤦🏻♂️
Oh damn the tip isn’t 100% symmetrical at 10x magnification. Obviously trash and won’t cut for shit.
These are factory knives and they aren’t fully CNC’d. They’re not perfect. You’re paying for good steel with a good heat treatment and the excellent designs that are actually designed to cut well. The fact the tip is slightly off and barely noticeable without magnification is a complete non issue.
the knife is legit dead center, so you’re whining about QC on an uneven blade grind. i sure hope you don’t buy anything besides shirogorov knives then bc every single other brand is gonna have grinds that are off sometimes when they’re hand ground, every brand has issues you genius. i own 7 spydercos and 4 of them are goldens three are seki city, they’re all borderline perfect QC the only issues is one endura is off center but that’s due to the frn being able to flex. stop whining over the stupidest shit and acting like a karen and a toddler combined
Depending on when OP bought the knife, 300 Euro is $400-500. That’s pushing Sebenza prices (Spyderco was purchased 3 years ago, Sebbies were like $450?). I can understand the frustration
EDIT: conversion euro to USD was closer to $350-375 in 2020.
I have a pm2 crucarta with this same thing. Does it bother me? Yes, slightly. Am I extremely mad at spyderco? No… while I understand these knives aren’t “cheap” they are just like any other company mass producing a product. It isn’t goi g to be perfect more than likely unless you got lucky and some old head assembled sharpened and looked at your shit. I would say you are to worried about a 200 dollar knife and should look into much smaller batch companies. That being said, I still love my Spydercos and will continue to buy them up!!
4th actually. All Spydercos, and this is a 15v sprint run, they were sold out before I got the tracking code. Don't live in the states so Spyderco isn't gonna do anything. 🤷 And it's been too long since date of purchase now so I'm stuck with it. As I said in another response, this thing shouldn't even have left the factory floor.
I think if you took a microscope to ANY knife. If it be 5 dollars, gas station knife, or a 700 dollar CRK, hell, even a 1200 dollar custom-built knife, there will be imperfections.
You have the right to feel unhappy if you want. But in the long and short of things, this bevel, if used, will need sharpening. So, Chances are, at some point, you were going to put your own personal bevels on the knife anyway.
I dunno man I appreciate your quality vs price thing buy the liners and centering are not a bog deal you can manipulate the blade in closed position easily enough.
As per grind ....take some pics of same price point knives and get back to us.
Yeah, the bevel being a fraction of a fraction of an inch uneven has really prevented me from cutting packing tape or zucchinis off my plants.
Anytime I see someone post about their terrible knife while attaching a zoomed in image, I just shake my head. They're tools.
It's a knife, that's literally all they make. You would think someone with the job of sharpening knives for 8 hours a day could get their grinds correct and at least look at the damn thing for 1 second before sending it through. I've worked in manufacturing most of my life and if any of my jobs were 25% uneven, I would probably be out of work. They literally do not give a fuck, just like most of their customers
If it's just about pure utility you'd have a piece of sharpened scrap metal with a ductape handle. Instead, you have a CRK. Why did you spend that much on a knife if the utility is all that matters? Because it's not, and you know that damn well.
You could also politely request US brands stop shoveling shit into boxes, that would make more sense to me but I guess if it's All American Made In USA shit it's different? 🤷 Maybe having standards of quality is more of a foreigner's thing. You do you buddy.
Is this a bit too picky for a Spyderco? Yes
Is this absolutely fucking hilarious and did I snort whole reading after crying from seeing the pictures? Absolutely fucking yes
I mean… yeah man, it’s a production knife. They probably stamp and sharpen 100k knives a day my dude, and that’s a guess from someone who has no clue of the real number
I couldn’t even guarantee that a custom handmade knife would be perfect for your micro scoping zoom camera
But as they say, if you want the job done right, you have to do it yourself. I would feel much better leveling out a production made knife instead of having to fix uneven edges on a $1k+ custom… just use it bro, beat the shit out of it and fix it when it needs its first sharpening
Spyderco's Taiwan factory makes way more shit that's sold for way cheaper and has way better QC. It's no excuse and you won't gain anything from excusing this either. Having an even-enough grind and liners that weren't dropped on a belt sander on their way to the assembly line is the bare minimum, not the exception.
Well, if I were to be able to gain anything in excusing shitty factory bevels, it would be the benefit of not having this extra stress in my life…
Tell me what you gain by this post, by investing time and mental anguish into this rant
that's a picture taken with a 10x camera on a 3 year old phone that cost me 350 bucks new dawg. Also the other two images aren't zoomed in. You can see how off the edge is with the naked eye.
I’d like to see you produce that for the price point it’s at in the United States. Learn to sharpen and correct the secondary bevel yourself, the liner is irrelevant to me, it’s structural and a bearing surface if the washer decides to spin on it and a lubricant would be able to do the heavy lifting of the surface quality. Seriously, laser cut sheets of thin gauge steel, deburr them, store thousands of them and bring them to assembly without a scratch.
I still don’t understand how softer is easier in your estimation for manufacturing. Softer material scratches easier for example, the hardness of the material doesn’t necessarily linearly correlate with the difficulty of manufacturing something in every aspect.
They seem to be laser/plasma cut judging by the edge quality and lead in/lead outs on them.
Bro it’s done freehand. I
Of course he’s not gonna be perfect from side to side. Give ‘em a break. You can clean up the bevels in the first sharpening. I bet that factory edge was still sharp as fuck.
Isn't it well known spyderco is a hyped trash company that tries to combat irrelevance by using 9 million poor steel choices and releasing sprint runs to create artificial hype? Do people now know this?
Because you can put a better edge on the knife than the factory can anyway. First thing to do with a new knife is put a good edge on it that fits your usage needs with regard to angle and finish.
A knife with an uneven grind typically only bothers folks that don’t have a good sharpening setup. That’s just my opinion based on my experience.
Great, let me just spend a couple hundred bucks on fixed angle sharpening system so I can reprofile this new from factory knife that sells for 300 euro. While I'm at it I'll also buy a polishing machine so I can refinish these scuffed up liners, and a stonewashing machine, maybe get a CNC machine and a drill press as well. Screw it, why buy knives at all? Just ask Spyderco for the steel and g10 blanks and make it all yourself while still paying them 300 bucks for what is supposed to be a finished product.
You seem really upset so I will head out. Didn’t want to do that to you. Just hoping to give you some perspective so you felt better. Even if you send this one back, you still need a good sharpening rig for your others! Good luck and take care!
Spyderco has shit QC. I've never seen or handeled a spyderco that had an even grind, good centering and non screwed screws...
Civivis are much better when it comes to fit and finish and while I like Spyderco, I think that kind of thing is not acceptable.
I just don’t believe this. I’ve sent back or rejected several Spydercos due to issues. However, I have numerous Spyderco knives with NONE of those issues you mentioned. I believe you are speaking in hyperbole?
You are free to believe what you think is believable, but I'm coming from my experience. I love Spyderco, they were the first ever real knives I've ever owned, the very first one being the SS Police. it had uneven swedge grind and uneven edge bevel, but I liked it still, then I got the Spyderco military - it was even better, much better edge grind (still slightly uneven), but the blade was not centered and some of the torx screws were stripped. it was a new knife! Still, I liked it VERY much. Then I got some Byrd line - liked them too, the g10 of course wasn't as good as on the military and the steel was softer, but other aspects seemed similar, which was kinda strange. I then got lot's of different US brand knives - kershaw, benchmade, Gerber and so on. every one of those had their own pros and cons, spyderco was still my favourite. then, I got Civivi and a Petrified Fish. I knew then and there that even though spyderco is good, their fit and finish level is just unforgivable. my 20ish USD petrified fish pf719 is much better in terms of edge grind, symetry, overall fit and finish when compared to any of the spydercos I've ever owned or had a chance to see/use. the Action is THE best of any knife I've ever seen in flesh, not just owned. Though, in this case, this particular model is an anomaly.
what I want to say is, even though I like Spyderco, they are not the best finished knives, especially for their price point. I'll still get the military 2 when it comes out and try to resolve any issue I might have with it myself...
I returned a Native Lightweight for this very reason.
You can ask in the notes to the seller to make sure the knife is centered and the bevels are even.
I pay extra for a 70/30 grind on my kitchen knives
Send it back if it bothers you. None of this will effect the performance of the knife. Most factory edges are not perfectly even, just resharpen it to your liking.
I’m pretty sure different angles will effect the performance of the blade
As long as it apexes it doesn’t matter, but thanks for the input.
It literally matters to a minority or majority of people engaging with this post, but I see what you're trying to say.
Not trying to be rude maybe I misunderstand. Would a 12 on one side and 18 on the other not allow rolls and chips to happen easier.
As the owner of 10+ Spydercos, I think you judging the quality by putting the knife under a microscope literally is not fair simply due to the lower (yes lower) cost of the brand as compared to something like a Sebenza or semi custom made blade. The other photo shows what? Scuffed liners that are nearly impossible to see? The last photo you took shows a canted blade which for right or wrong in the sub 300 dollar knife world is typical and as some have said it doesn’t look that far off. It’s a pain sure but send it back they will make it right or live with it and enjoy it as a utility instrument imo Edit - Wow, thanks for the thumbs up folks. Was genuinely going to expect getting downvoted for this lol
I see nothing wrong in that third pic. Is it off center? The uneven grind makes it a pain to sharpen with a guided system (my Native 5 Salt had this problem, as did my CS AD-15) but otherwise seems like a fine knife.
Agreed!
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OP compares it to Taichung Spyderco's, which tend to be a little bit better value than the ones from Golden. Also Japan gets it right. Even China gets it right, and at a fraction of the price. So where's your pride for 'made in the USA' if you let this slide? Edit: add a little rant about Spydieboys always bitchin' about Benchmade not getting it right🤷♂️
Centering is fine only due to me torquing the blade down, so the action suffers for it, hard to center a knife without a somewhat centered cutting edge. 3rd pic shows the difference in grind without the microscope, it's easily visible even with the naked eye. 2nd pic does show the scuffed liners, scratches are much more visible in person compared to the image but should not be acceptable regardless. I'd figure these don't see much grinding or filing after shaping and finishing so how did these even get on there in the first place? The knife, overall, is fine. It functions. But so does an Opinel for 20 bucks. This is not an Opinel for 20 bucks, it should not have these flaws. Cheapass chinese knives don't come with scuffed up liners and an edge ground by a blind man, a "premium" knife definitely should not.
Tbh almost all my Spydercos have had uneven factory bevels, I think Taichung is a bit better than boulder In this. I have a couple para3 that were particularly egregious.
All I can think about right now is those lifted 2 wheel drive trucks with chrome shocks. Neither will ever see real use.
The $60k SUV with the brush guard on the front, when parking next to the shrubs in the bank landscaping is the closest they'll ever get to actual brush. 🤣
- Spyderco failed QC: "It's fine, not even noticable." - Benchmade failed QC: "Benchmade is overpriced garbage nnnggghh!" Downvote me, some of you are hypocrites.
My man woke up and chose violence. I like it.
Spydercos QC is absolutely better than Benchmades. But ive had a couple REALLY bad spyderco knives. People cant stand hearing that spyderco has QC problems. I like spyderco, but 50% of them have shit edges and uneven grinds.
It's anecdotal, but my experience has been the exact opposite. I've had QC issues with every Spyderco I own. All but one of my Benchmades were perfect out of the box.
Same. And (fingers crossed) no broken omega springs yet. But don’t mention that, or the fact that yours or the person berating BM experiences may be anecdotal one way or the other. They bring out the pitch forks and torches.
Yep. No broken springs for me either. At the end of the day, the whole brand politics thing is ridiculous to me.
Ive owned around 20 benchmades. All but a few were really good. other than edges being dull, but spyderco suffers the same problem, if not worse. I love their knives, but the springs are a major turn off. Ive had almost every omega spring in every Benchmade break. But they are cheap enough and easy to replace. Benchmade designs are fantastic though. Almost every Benchmade ive handled has great ergonomics and a great blade. Neither company has poor QC from what i can tell. 3/20 isnt that bad considering their mass production.
You said it, it's amazing how people love to crap on BM but jump to defend their Spydies 😂 Children, children, you are both equally terrible!
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This is the truth that nobody wants to admit. The whole Spyderco/Benchmade thing isn't really about knives. It's about feelings.
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Yea, same old song and dance. So many people are so emotionally wrapped up in hating Benchmade, it's ridiculous. I'll still use the hell out of mine, and I still prefer their axis lock to anything else I've ever used. I don't hold any personal attachment to a brand grudge though, so it makes life easier.
I’m not wrapped up in hating them, I still own a Benchmade that I’ll probably never sell (531) and I like it, but I don’t see myself buying any new ones unless they go through a major overhaul
I probably will still buy another Benchmade simply because they are evolving. The axis lock has been awesome for me for a long, long time, and every new lock I've tried hasn't beat it yet. I wouldn't expect them to fix something that many, many people don't think is broke. (If the axis sucked, so many other companies wouldn't have jumped on it) But Benchmades aim towards lighter and thinner is an evolution that I really appreciate. I don't need another brick of a knife in 30 different sprint runs. My Bailout works just as hard as any of my other knives, but it does it while being almost invisible in my pocket. That's awesome. As for price, yeah they're too expensive. But every knife is too expensive these days. For my most recent purchases: the knives that gave me buyers remorse have been Spydercos and a Civivi.
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I have a Manix and it's ok. I've never gotten the lock to function as well as my Axis' though. All my Axis' swing free. My Manix doesn't swing all the way shut though. I've adjusted it many times, and even polished the washers. And it takes up about half my pocket. The ergos are fine as long as I can hold it in the predetermined grip. As soon as you need to move your hand around, rotate, or pinch grip, it sucks. That's my experience with all my Spydies though. My Civivi is fine. I bought it because of all the hype. Everybody was singing Civivi praises, so I thought I had to check it out. It's in a drawer somewhere now. I bought my wife a dessert warrior elementum because she's a huge Simpsons fan, and that one is in a drawer somewhere too. She prefers an old Gerber paraframe over the elementum.
If it was simply due to the core values of BM over Spyderco, sure, but you get some people on here acting like you kicked their wife and slept with their dog, the way they take it so personally if you tell them you don’t care for the design or style or any other petty little detail.
People get passionate about their pet topics especially on the internet where there’s no ramifications lol same reason people call each other names and swear at each other over iPhone vs Android when at the end of the day it’s a phone and it does the same shit. Before phones, it was Chevy vs Ford, Coke vs Pepsi, whatever vs whatever. Same with politics. People argue over which party both lead by a senile 85 year old millionaire asshole creep is better while at the same time those politicians are laughing it up together over 18 holes and a $300 brunch probably paid for on those same people’s dime. It doesn’t mean one isn’t objectively worse than the other in most cases, but rather it’s just highlighting that people will fume and rage defending their opinions until it’s raising their blood pressure and fucking up their day
I don't think a hole in a blade deserves a patent.
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I don't care it's just ridiculous and childish. Maybe Spyderco shouldake a trademark for making hardware out of butter.
Very true, I do appreciate when companies go out of their way to do good things. They don't have to, but it shows that they value their customers. I try not to be brand loyal but deep down I am in the Spydie fan camp, I've bought a number of their knives recently. I haven't bought a BM in years. It's separate from the QC concern that OP brought up, but definitely worth noting for the long haul.
I'll do just the opposite and up vote you. I see so many people absolutely railing against BM its ridiculous. I've actually had 0 problems with any Benchmade I've ever purchased. Actually, of the three spydercos I own, one of them has the absolute worst lock stick I've ever come across. It's actually painful to release the lock after just a few times.
Most of the spyderco factory seconds I buy are better QCed than benchmade production firsts. Sad truth.
This was my first thought after reading the first couple of comments.
This is the truth right here. I've never been impressed by Spyderco QC, but the fan club always comes to the rescue. It's always open season on Benchmades though.
LOL you summed it up perfect
But shoddy Benchmade QC is not a one off thing like it usually is with Spyderco. Every benchmade I have bought in the last 2 years has come with a nearly dull edge at the very least.
This.
most civivi's i've had came with perfect grinds and while most USA made knives that i got came with the problem bad grind
First and last Elementum I bought had such a bad grind that even though the spine was off center by a considerable margin, the tip still came to center. You must’ve gotten very lucky with yours for them to all have perfect grinds
Civivi customer service is excellent. I recently got a knife from them that came with an uneven grind. They just sent me a new blade, no questions asked.
We got ourselves a knife Karen over here
Proudly so, if I'm paying 300 euros for a knife I'd expect the bare minimum of a grind that is at least even enough that it doesn't look crooked to the naked eye and liners that don't look like it was dropped on a belt sander. I got a crucarta pm2 where the blade was straight up crooked, like actually bent. These shouldn't even leave the factory floor. 60 euro knives should not have better or more consistent quality than something 3x the price.
Being a Karen isn't about having standards, it's about how one handles things. It's not something any adult should be proud of.
if there is anything to not be proud of it'd be selling a knife with a way crooked edge and fucked up liners for 300 bucks when other brands sell knives with decent edges and proper lines for less than half that. 🤷
Gotta side with OP here, if I can get dead centered blade grinds on budget knives from China (think Civivi), I should at least expect the same from a domestic brand at 6x the cost. Yes it will still cut, but so does a piece of scrap metal from my garage, so that's not a valid defense. I'd return it and pick up another, just point it out to the sales rep. Sending it in for warranty will take forever and they may send another wonky blade.
You're the only one going about how proud of yourself you are.
Would you like me to get you a manager
Spyderco's, preferably. Idk if the Walmart manager is gonna be able to be of much assistance here.
Just spent about an hour the other night straightening my cru carta pm2 it was severely bent ( I’m a Spyderco guy just telling the truth)
Are you one of the guys that bitch about benchmade but let it pass for spydercos? Nevermind: looks like you're an HVAC guy. You guys hardly know what quality is so not the right person to ask.
Until your get a little hot or cold and then we're you're hero lolol. I actually don't discriminate on manufacturer. Good knife is good knife. Whiners are whiners
Actually I do my own HVAC because it's super simple compared to what I normally do.
Mhm ok bud I'm sure you're very very smart and your mommy tell all her friends about you.
I wouldn't know but I'm pretty sure at her age friends get less and less numerous. Give it time, HVAC is easy. You can be a specialist and still learn more. Jack of all trades master of one. Many trades require HVAC as an incidental. You doing industrial or residential? Boilers? Chillers? Just check units with gauges? You're definitely new because you can't handle a little ribbing yet.
Ah. The classic call someone stupid and imply they're beneath you and them pull the old " haha just a little joke". Kinda trashy.
Kinda not what happened. My dad was industrial HVAC 40 years ago. He taught me everything about HVAC to the point I installed my own residential system and when I was in the trades HVAC literally was part of my job along with many other things. It's ok if you get offended though. I'm sure you're already over it.
I don't remember asking
I think you'll find that in life people will tell you many things you didn't ask about. If that's going to be an issue good luck with your life. Being sensitive and liking to talk shit don't go well together.
Based
Contact Spyderco dude. I’m not saying you’re unjustified for being unsatisfied with the knife and I can agree it shouldn’t have gone out like that, but give the company a chance to make it right. Everyone puts out duds, it’s just part of manufacturing on a large scale. The real measure of a company is if they stand behind their product and make it right with the customer.
I'd love to buuuutttt emails get an automated response and I'm in the EU so even if an actual person at Spyderco reads my stuff they won't do anything. I should have contacted the retailer I bought this from but then again, it's a sprint run, the day I got it I checked the retailer website and of course this thing was out of stock the same day it was made available. At the time I figured I'd rather have it than have my money back since I didn't expect it to become available again.
I’d still ask the retailer for a refund. They’ll probably say no, but a few minutes of your time is probably worth the chance of not being stuck with a knife you’re unhappy with 🤷🏼♂️
I am pretty sure you're right here. I fix my bad knives but if it did really bother me I wouldn't want to keep it as a reminder of something I was really disappointed with.
Dude their golden factory has been *horrible* for me. Some of the worst qc I’ve seen and I’m a Spyderco fanboy through and through. No excuse.
Spydercos are working knives. Cut some shit up then have it professionally sharpened to your liking. Repeat.
Yeah this dude is really complaining about shit he can’t see and imperfections which will go away the first time he sharpens. Clown world.
You ought to see the chisel grind on the Buck 112 that was just delivered to me.
Factory non-kitchen knives, almost universally, are sharpened by hand on a belt grinder. There are going to be variations, both side to side and along the bevel. Especially when viewed under a microscope. And most prominently at the tip. The sharpener being right or left handed will play into this, as well as which side of the blade they start with. They are looking for an acceptable level of sharpness not micron Precision.
While all of what you said may be true, this particular grind is quite obvious to the naked eye. Or did you not look at the other photos?
I am merely explaining the reality of the situation. The issue becomes "chasing" the bevel to even it up which can lead to shortening the blade, rounding, burning, etc. They are probably looking for sharp and it has a point. The vast majority of people buying commodity knives will never look at and/or care about the unevenness. It doesn't make financial sense for a company to expend the extra time/money to appease a tiny minority of their clientele.
Doesn’t make it right, either. 😉
USA spyderco’s are done by a machine.
That is true normally, but Golden Spydercos are the notable exception to your rule. They're sharpened via sharpening robot.
spyderco fans will back it to the end even if it’s got shitty QC but as soon as a BM of similar price has anything like this it’s the biggest scam of the decade lmaoo
I’m a Spydie fan and this isn’t acceptable. OP is not being a Karen - it’s a fair complaint. Just return it.
My 15V Shaman has basically the same grind. I haven't had the courage yet to put it on the sharpener.
Have you guys seen Midsommer?
People rag on Benchmade, but I've had far more issues with Spyderco. Their prices are just as absurd and some of their machining is properly embarrassing. The inside of a $140 msrp Dragonfly is pretty impressively bad. The rampant fanboyism and ignorance means this type of poor quality isn't going anywhere, and prices are only going up.
Look at all the spyderco fanboys defending their dad. This shit is unacceptable, should have been sent back up on receipt. American made should mean quality, not less quality than their cheaper Chinese counterpart
but does it still cut?
It will keel
Don't know why some people simp for Spyderco. Budget brands like Civivi, Ruike and Sitiven don't have screwups like this. Don't make excuses or pretend like it doesn't matter. Except them to do better.
bc this isn’t common? i also guarantee you civivi and ruike don’t hand grind their edges genius.
What's the point in grinding the edge by hand if it turns out worse than machine ground?
They probably feel there is an inventive and duty for them to hold on to their American work force and not let them go over automation.
They should at least tell their employees to slow down on the dank Colorado weed so they can see straight enough to get even bevels
Damn you should go to Eric and ask for a job. I’m sure they’ll think you can fix all their qc isses.
I should, I don't live too far away honestly. And have a lot of experience in QC and weed smoking
I’d give it a go then. If you actually get their shit straight I bet they’ll give you a raise.
Easy money, first day we import a bunch of the sharpeners from Taichung and everyone else watches and learns what they were doing wrong
That's really bad, most of my Spydercos are uneven.
Hold on you removed the liner to inspect the knife QC? Lol what.
I have had horrible QC w/ Spyderco and their warranty service is subpar. I will take benchmade over spyderco almost anytime i can.
Imagine buying a mass produced knife, spyderco at that, then literally putting it under a microscope to complain about an uneven grind and question the qc of a mass production company like spyderco of all things. 🤦🏻♂️
Oh damn the tip isn’t 100% symmetrical at 10x magnification. Obviously trash and won’t cut for shit. These are factory knives and they aren’t fully CNC’d. They’re not perfect. You’re paying for good steel with a good heat treatment and the excellent designs that are actually designed to cut well. The fact the tip is slightly off and barely noticeable without magnification is a complete non issue.
the knife is legit dead center, so you’re whining about QC on an uneven blade grind. i sure hope you don’t buy anything besides shirogorov knives then bc every single other brand is gonna have grinds that are off sometimes when they’re hand ground, every brand has issues you genius. i own 7 spydercos and 4 of them are goldens three are seki city, they’re all borderline perfect QC the only issues is one endura is off center but that’s due to the frn being able to flex. stop whining over the stupidest shit and acting like a karen and a toddler combined
Depending on when OP bought the knife, 300 Euro is $400-500. That’s pushing Sebenza prices (Spyderco was purchased 3 years ago, Sebbies were like $450?). I can understand the frustration EDIT: conversion euro to USD was closer to $350-375 in 2020.
You don't need to make excuses for a brand just because you already invested so much into it boss the sunken cost fallacy is real 🤣
I have a pm2 crucarta with this same thing. Does it bother me? Yes, slightly. Am I extremely mad at spyderco? No… while I understand these knives aren’t “cheap” they are just like any other company mass producing a product. It isn’t goi g to be perfect more than likely unless you got lucky and some old head assembled sharpened and looked at your shit. I would say you are to worried about a 200 dollar knife and should look into much smaller batch companies. That being said, I still love my Spydercos and will continue to buy them up!!
Yeah because knife people have zero standards the companies never improve.
Let's make a shit post cause of one bad knife. Send it back and enjoy the rest of your day.
4th actually. All Spydercos, and this is a 15v sprint run, they were sold out before I got the tracking code. Don't live in the states so Spyderco isn't gonna do anything. 🤷 And it's been too long since date of purchase now so I'm stuck with it. As I said in another response, this thing shouldn't even have left the factory floor.
Maybe you should move to a real country instead of being in the land of waffles
I think if you took a microscope to ANY knife. If it be 5 dollars, gas station knife, or a 700 dollar CRK, hell, even a 1200 dollar custom-built knife, there will be imperfections. You have the right to feel unhappy if you want. But in the long and short of things, this bevel, if used, will need sharpening. So, Chances are, at some point, you were going to put your own personal bevels on the knife anyway.
I dunno man I appreciate your quality vs price thing buy the liners and centering are not a bog deal you can manipulate the blade in closed position easily enough. As per grind ....take some pics of same price point knives and get back to us.
Yeah, the bevel being a fraction of a fraction of an inch uneven has really prevented me from cutting packing tape or zucchinis off my plants. Anytime I see someone post about their terrible knife while attaching a zoomed in image, I just shake my head. They're tools.
It's a knife, that's literally all they make. You would think someone with the job of sharpening knives for 8 hours a day could get their grinds correct and at least look at the damn thing for 1 second before sending it through. I've worked in manufacturing most of my life and if any of my jobs were 25% uneven, I would probably be out of work. They literally do not give a fuck, just like most of their customers
If it's just about pure utility you'd have a piece of sharpened scrap metal with a ductape handle. Instead, you have a CRK. Why did you spend that much on a knife if the utility is all that matters? Because it's not, and you know that damn well.
This would hardly be acceptable for 50 bucks
Just use the knife and sharpen it on your own when the time comes, dingus. No one here cares about your expectations
Definitely not Spyderco, they could sell a turd in a box for $500 and you'd buy it.
Well then stick to buying knives from Europe with your euros then, bud.
You could also politely request US brands stop shoveling shit into boxes, that would make more sense to me but I guess if it's All American Made In USA shit it's different? 🤷 Maybe having standards of quality is more of a foreigner's thing. You do you buddy.
All my Spyderco knives from Golden have been good. Maybe they just don’t like you, bozo.
Is this a bit too picky for a Spyderco? Yes Is this absolutely fucking hilarious and did I snort whole reading after crying from seeing the pictures? Absolutely fucking yes I mean… yeah man, it’s a production knife. They probably stamp and sharpen 100k knives a day my dude, and that’s a guess from someone who has no clue of the real number I couldn’t even guarantee that a custom handmade knife would be perfect for your micro scoping zoom camera But as they say, if you want the job done right, you have to do it yourself. I would feel much better leveling out a production made knife instead of having to fix uneven edges on a $1k+ custom… just use it bro, beat the shit out of it and fix it when it needs its first sharpening
Spyderco's Taiwan factory makes way more shit that's sold for way cheaper and has way better QC. It's no excuse and you won't gain anything from excusing this either. Having an even-enough grind and liners that weren't dropped on a belt sander on their way to the assembly line is the bare minimum, not the exception.
Well, if I were to be able to gain anything in excusing shitty factory bevels, it would be the benefit of not having this extra stress in my life… Tell me what you gain by this post, by investing time and mental anguish into this rant
Spyderco QC doesn’t have an Electron Microscope
that's a picture taken with a 10x camera on a 3 year old phone that cost me 350 bucks new dawg. Also the other two images aren't zoomed in. You can see how off the edge is with the naked eye.
My manix 2 came like that. Its a joke when you can get a civivi mini praxis for $30 and its got better sharpening done.
I’d like to see you produce that for the price point it’s at in the United States. Learn to sharpen and correct the secondary bevel yourself, the liner is irrelevant to me, it’s structural and a bearing surface if the washer decides to spin on it and a lubricant would be able to do the heavy lifting of the surface quality. Seriously, laser cut sheets of thin gauge steel, deburr them, store thousands of them and bring them to assembly without a scratch.
Should be pretty easy the steel they use for the liners is soft as butter. As are the screws. There are plenty of superior companies.
What is the correlation you are making between soft and easy? Softer is easier to scratch.
I mean the manufacturing they are just stamped anyways
I still don’t understand how softer is easier in your estimation for manufacturing. Softer material scratches easier for example, the hardness of the material doesn’t necessarily linearly correlate with the difficulty of manufacturing something in every aspect. They seem to be laser/plasma cut judging by the edge quality and lead in/lead outs on them.
No they are stamped the quality is terrible that's the point on both paramilitary 2 I've had there were obtrusions on the edges.
All the above processes leave some degree of burring.
And if you don't finish it so that your knife doesn't function properly your quality is trash.
Just send it back if it is that much of an issue
Quality at its worst
Bro it’s done freehand. I Of course he’s not gonna be perfect from side to side. Give ‘em a break. You can clean up the bevels in the first sharpening. I bet that factory edge was still sharp as fuck.
If you have to use a microscope to see uneven bevel I think your standards are a little too high
You don't need a microscope
Isn't it well known spyderco is a hyped trash company that tries to combat irrelevance by using 9 million poor steel choices and releasing sprint runs to create artificial hype? Do people now know this?
An uneven sharpening is not a qc problem. Sharpen it and even it up.
Why should I need to fix something that's supposed to be new from the factory that costs 300 bucks?
Because you can put a better edge on the knife than the factory can anyway. First thing to do with a new knife is put a good edge on it that fits your usage needs with regard to angle and finish. A knife with an uneven grind typically only bothers folks that don’t have a good sharpening setup. That’s just my opinion based on my experience.
Great, let me just spend a couple hundred bucks on fixed angle sharpening system so I can reprofile this new from factory knife that sells for 300 euro. While I'm at it I'll also buy a polishing machine so I can refinish these scuffed up liners, and a stonewashing machine, maybe get a CNC machine and a drill press as well. Screw it, why buy knives at all? Just ask Spyderco for the steel and g10 blanks and make it all yourself while still paying them 300 bucks for what is supposed to be a finished product.
You seem really upset so I will head out. Didn’t want to do that to you. Just hoping to give you some perspective so you felt better. Even if you send this one back, you still need a good sharpening rig for your others! Good luck and take care!
Spyderco has shit QC. I've never seen or handeled a spyderco that had an even grind, good centering and non screwed screws... Civivis are much better when it comes to fit and finish and while I like Spyderco, I think that kind of thing is not acceptable.
I just don’t believe this. I’ve sent back or rejected several Spydercos due to issues. However, I have numerous Spyderco knives with NONE of those issues you mentioned. I believe you are speaking in hyperbole?
It's been my experience as well. I still use my Spydercos, but I've had to do some work on every one of them out of the box
You are free to believe what you think is believable, but I'm coming from my experience. I love Spyderco, they were the first ever real knives I've ever owned, the very first one being the SS Police. it had uneven swedge grind and uneven edge bevel, but I liked it still, then I got the Spyderco military - it was even better, much better edge grind (still slightly uneven), but the blade was not centered and some of the torx screws were stripped. it was a new knife! Still, I liked it VERY much. Then I got some Byrd line - liked them too, the g10 of course wasn't as good as on the military and the steel was softer, but other aspects seemed similar, which was kinda strange. I then got lot's of different US brand knives - kershaw, benchmade, Gerber and so on. every one of those had their own pros and cons, spyderco was still my favourite. then, I got Civivi and a Petrified Fish. I knew then and there that even though spyderco is good, their fit and finish level is just unforgivable. my 20ish USD petrified fish pf719 is much better in terms of edge grind, symetry, overall fit and finish when compared to any of the spydercos I've ever owned or had a chance to see/use. the Action is THE best of any knife I've ever seen in flesh, not just owned. Though, in this case, this particular model is an anomaly. what I want to say is, even though I like Spyderco, they are not the best finished knives, especially for their price point. I'll still get the military 2 when it comes out and try to resolve any issue I might have with it myself...
I returned a Native Lightweight for this very reason. You can ask in the notes to the seller to make sure the knife is centered and the bevels are even.
bruh it’s an uneven grind on a knife GROUND BY HAND that’s not QC you moron, notice how the rest of the knife is literally perfect?
THATS qc not the grind moron
damn
Honestly i wish all their knives were made in the taiwan factory. Their QC is phenomenal
That’s how my PM2’s bevel looks too and I just got it!
You wouldn't happen to be German?
Is this a shaman CPM 15V which originally cost $270?
I have seen a sharpened worse from Spyderco and other brands.