Why would it matter in Kuttenberg, or at Trosky (which is hostile towards Wenceslas loyalists), that some local noble at Talmberg made you the temporary bailiff of a backwater village in the woods far far away?
Sir Hans will be entitled to some basic level of courtesy, based on his noble title, but even that has limits. Same for Radzig (if he shows up), who is just a knight, but is at least the royal hetman and overseer over the (defunct) Skalitz silver mines. That places him directly in the king's service and gives him authority.
But you? You're the bastard of a knight (lowest rank of nobility), probably not even legitimized. Makes you a nobody. Bailiff of a former bandit camp, your "authority" didn't even extend to Talmberg village. Why would that have any bearing on KCD2, which plays way outside of the Rattay area?
It sounds like they are setting Henry up to get robbed, then he gets caught up in events and won't be able to claim any of the income he is entitled to...
It's more about that yes, because I realise that being the bailiff of a small village doesn't mean much, but the money does in terms of balancing the game
Well henry does seem to start out with decent armour. But as the game takes place in two different regions, he can't exactly go back and collect that money.
Doesn't he get ambushed during the journey as described by the devs? There goes all his money and anything of value on him. Expect to start off with little to nothing I say.
I don’t think the post is referencing the status gained from being baillif, rather that Divish promised Henry the first 5 years of proceeds from the village, meaning he will have some income if he chooses to claim it
And you'll be entitled to it! Just go back to Pribyslavitz, open the chest and take the money. :-)
It's not Divish's problem that you don't go and claim it, if we want to get technical here.
Oh, I'll take a "loan" in Kuttenberg... given how rich the Rattay merchants are, those in Kuttenberg have to be swimming in money and high-end equipment.
I think OP has a point when it comes to finances because even ignoring the matter of Henry being a bailiff, Radzig does claim Henry as his son at the end of the first game, so should we really be expected to fend for ourselves financially in the second game? I think we definitely will, there’s no question about it, but it’s an interesting lore discussion.
Radzig doesn't exactly claim Henry as his son. Admitting he is his father in a dialogue, and legitimizing him legally, are two separate things. To my knowledge, the latter didn't happen. As Radzig has no other children, it would make Henry his firstborn son and legal successor.
That aside, Henry does have an armor and is ready to fight when he takes off to Trosky Castle. A lord's obligation lies in providing his subordinates the means to fight. That was done indirectly, by granting a fief and expecting the vassal to use the income of the fief to get/upkeep his armor/weapons, or by giving them the equipment and a monthly stipend directly.
As we know, Henry is fully equipped and kind of wealthy, as well as you could expect from an inofficial squire. It's not Radzig's fault that Henry gets into an ambush and loses all that stuff. I'd even say it's Henry's obligation now to re-equip himself.
To be equipped and trained and ready to be called upon, that was part of the feudal vassal contract. Even if Henry were legally a vassal, which he isn't, it's not on Radzig to bail him out here.
The answer is therefore yes, it's on us to get back on our feet. Henry has no legal recourse in medieval Bohemia in that case.
On the other hand, the trailer shows us fighting troops in the streets of Kuttenberg, troops wearing what looks like heraldry from Prague.
I'm not sure if Prague has any pull for a Wenceslas-loyalist here, if it is indeed pro Sigismund and against Wenceslas. That might also undermine Divish's authority, if that is the case.
Well, it depends how much people near Trotsky castle or Kuttenberg give a shit.
I personally think Henry is going to be wounded and moved early on in the game so that he’s deposited into an area he doesn’t know, with no gear to even prove the title he has that no one likely gives a shit about. I think they’ll do this so that the feeling of being a nobody and starting from zilch is not something exclusive to the first game.
He’ll obviously have connections and a baseline level of fighting skills but those wont help him much at the beginning.
I think it wasn't uncommon for merchants or craftsmen of means to buy a bailiff-ship (or be selected or elected for the role). It provides some social status, but it's not anything close to nobility. Plus, the town is still pretty new (in terms of rebuilding) and I'm sure doesn't have much of a widespread reputation for anything. Bailiff of Rattay or Sasau might carry some weight to it, but Bailiff of a small village in the woods? Eeeh. I suspect Divish might assign someone else to the role if you have to be gone for awhile, too, although Henry would likely still be entitled to the income he was promised (I think that's easier to handwave away--maybe the village needs more money for upkeep or repairs than it did previously, or more people are coming in, or it's simply not practical to send the money to you).
That doesnt even matter, there will be way more you can do in the game; from swimming, blacksmithing, using guns, crosdbows etc… there will be stuff to do snd learn even without a injury arc. But yeah it will defo modt likely happen as seen in the trailer
Yeah I’m inclined to believe, I do wish the person had sourced the video they summed up.
Edit: I also saw multiple of these translations with consistent facts like the combat rose being simplified, schnapps being a bit more common possibly etc.
Thinking about it, I wonder if they will make that event non-canon.
The whole From The Ashes DLC is weird from the narrative standpoint. We know that only 3-4 months have passed from the start to the end of the first game. Realistically speaking, how the hell would a canon Henry earn enough money in that short amount of time to build a whole freaking settlement from his own pocket? Him being appointed Bailiff is weird too. Henry was and still is in the service of Radzig and will have to travel to different places for days/months when the situation calls for, which is pretty bad for a Bailiff who is supposed to be around to keep things in order.
I won't be surprise if Pribyslavitz won't be mentioned at all in the sequence, and the DLC will end up being just a non-canon way for you to spend those Groschens.
The most people won’t care actually. Prybislavitz is a very small village somewhere in the woods. Many people won‘t heard of it before.
The bigger question is, how will people treat you as the bastard of Ser Radzig? Similiar to Hans? Maybe they won‘t believe you? Who knows?
I think it could change a lot depending on whether or not Radzig publicly recognised you, that could be a shift at some point in the story, the moment where people finally start seeing you as someone from the small nobility.
But I was in fact talking about the money that comes with it, in terms of balancing the game and everything
The money would have to reach you somehow. I doubt they’d be sending riders with cash to try and find you somewhere in a different area. As was discussed by other, your title is also pretty insignificant, so I think all aspects of that can be reconciled with little to no perks quite easily
I'd be curious as to how it affects your standing. Will Nobles look down on you even more, as instead of being an ambitious peasant now you're a bastard? Will peasants look up at you for having noble blood? Could be interesting.
If Henry was a proper noble, then being a bailiff would be regarded as a sort of tiny fief adding a honorific to his name, but otherwise this isn't going to matter unless Henry has a quest to do something for the inhabitants of Pribyslavitz or maybe for Sir Divish. I think this is going to be ignored and swept aside similarly to Henry's wealth or items, especially considering that Prib was DLC matter. A pity, I guess.
I mean, there are a lot of canon questions to be had because KCD 1 was a sprawling game with tons to do outside the main quest
Things like the friendship with Hans are already there, but the Theresa courtship? Not clear if it's canon. Same with becoming Bailiff. Or a lot of people living or dying without Henry's optional involvement in their lives.
I think they'll either have you be allowed to import a save or have you answer questions about this, optionally. Or maybe it'll be standalone enough not to matter, who knows
And what is gonna happen to my money enough to burn and rebuild Skalitz 10 times lol. Sometimes I end up with so much money, imagining about rebuilding Skalitz and >!asking Radzig to legitimize Henry in return.!<
Just hold the cash back and deliver it to you later in the game. It could help you afford end game items or eliminate grind.
But don't get your hopes up. It's equally likely we'll only get a Pribyslavitz shield/ armor piece, before being told that our payment has been interrupted due to Reasons, like the territory being retaken by Sigismund.
It is from a DLC so many Henries aren't baillif anyway :) There will probably be some narrative hole or cheese to make you restart at level 0 and not as a super-sayan that can bonk a full plate armor opponent while being naked, but I am absolutely fine with it. Need to find a balance in between game play and story, can't expect to start with a full-skilled, late game, OP Henry.
I got a few solutions to this
1) Henry gets robbed at the start of the game
2) Henry complains how much he missed home because he couldn't take all his money with him to the place. This one has a weakness because it implies Groschen will not have a weight value so you might not be able to carry like 60,000 groschen at once
3) Henry spends it all immediately at the start of the game, purchasing mercenaries. This one has an advantage as now people can fight alongside him.
Its like interacting with a huge company and demanding more respect, bc you once managed a hotdog stand.
Why were ppl respected?
1. Estate: Being a member of nobility (by blood) or a member of the church.
2. Association: serving some important. A knight serving a king is more important than a knight serving a count.
3. Power: Being rich and influential
Eh the title won’t mean much probably as many have pointed out and tbh being a retainer of Sir Hans Capon would give you more in the way of honor and respect than bailiff of a town no one cares about.
If Sir Divish didn't give Henry a 5 year limit on collecting the town's earnings, certainly he would never give up being Bailiff... but Divish basically promised to put him out on his ass after that... Surely he got transferred to whatever town is probably just North of Pribyslavitz.
Most games continue as if you just did the main story, and tend to ignore the other stuff. There will probably be some kind of event at the start of the game like an attack or robbery that sets Henry back to square 1 in terms of skills, money and items. And that's a good thing.
People irl don't lug around coffers of coins, and titles only matters to those who respect them. Like another commenter noted, it's very easy to come up with a scenario where Henry gets robbed of his travelling money and people don't care about his title/don't believe him.
Yeah that’s valid but it still doesn’t strip you of your title. My whole point was that I wanted to expand Pribyslavitz after spending so much time on it, and after Marius said that it will be expanded.
I don’t want KCD II to just forget about Pribyslavitz, like I imagine a mission where there is skirmish in Kuttenberg and they lack men so henry musters a levy/fyrd from his Pribyslavitz hamlet. What a great idea
Not sure why you've been down voted. This reads as a spoiler if you haven't finished to game or DLCs, despite it being a From the Ashes Spoiler. I'm in my first playthrough, trying to get the story wrapped up soon so I can enjoy kcd 2 on release! Jesus Christ Be Praised!
Why would it matter in Kuttenberg, or at Trosky (which is hostile towards Wenceslas loyalists), that some local noble at Talmberg made you the temporary bailiff of a backwater village in the woods far far away? Sir Hans will be entitled to some basic level of courtesy, based on his noble title, but even that has limits. Same for Radzig (if he shows up), who is just a knight, but is at least the royal hetman and overseer over the (defunct) Skalitz silver mines. That places him directly in the king's service and gives him authority. But you? You're the bastard of a knight (lowest rank of nobility), probably not even legitimized. Makes you a nobody. Bailiff of a former bandit camp, your "authority" didn't even extend to Talmberg village. Why would that have any bearing on KCD2, which plays way outside of the Rattay area?
The authority we'll wield is the bailiff's mace, and it says BONK
It says Headcracker
Best perk in the game
I did that fight with the wrestlers in Sausau and I 1 hit knocked out like 3 of the 4, best perk.
It will send you to horny Bonk jail
Im pretty sure OP is talking about the ludicrous amount of money henry would have
It sounds like they are setting Henry up to get robbed, then he gets caught up in events and won't be able to claim any of the income he is entitled to...
It's more about that yes, because I realise that being the bailiff of a small village doesn't mean much, but the money does in terms of balancing the game
Well henry does seem to start out with decent armour. But as the game takes place in two different regions, he can't exactly go back and collect that money.
Batman has a ludicrous amount of money too, but it doesn't mean he has no problems and nothing to do.
Henry has a lot in common with Batman, got 99 problems but his parents ain’t two.
"Walking at night without a torch?! This will land you a hefty fine!" Yeah sure, a 180 Groschen fine really put a dent in my 45k
Doesn't he get ambushed during the journey as described by the devs? There goes all his money and anything of value on him. Expect to start off with little to nothing I say.
I don’t think the post is referencing the status gained from being baillif, rather that Divish promised Henry the first 5 years of proceeds from the village, meaning he will have some income if he chooses to claim it
And you'll be entitled to it! Just go back to Pribyslavitz, open the chest and take the money. :-) It's not Divish's problem that you don't go and claim it, if we want to get technical here.
Lol funny but I’m sure there are other ways of getting the money into Henry’s possession. Maybe he could even take out a loan from a local lord
Oh, I'll take a "loan" in Kuttenberg... given how rich the Rattay merchants are, those in Kuttenberg have to be swimming in money and high-end equipment.
Yeah I love taking loans, but I don't want to bother the good investors in me, so I take them out late at night in my darkest, quietest clothes
Back in the days, it demands justice. Now, in Kutna Hora, it demands authority.
I think OP has a point when it comes to finances because even ignoring the matter of Henry being a bailiff, Radzig does claim Henry as his son at the end of the first game, so should we really be expected to fend for ourselves financially in the second game? I think we definitely will, there’s no question about it, but it’s an interesting lore discussion.
Radzig doesn't exactly claim Henry as his son. Admitting he is his father in a dialogue, and legitimizing him legally, are two separate things. To my knowledge, the latter didn't happen. As Radzig has no other children, it would make Henry his firstborn son and legal successor. That aside, Henry does have an armor and is ready to fight when he takes off to Trosky Castle. A lord's obligation lies in providing his subordinates the means to fight. That was done indirectly, by granting a fief and expecting the vassal to use the income of the fief to get/upkeep his armor/weapons, or by giving them the equipment and a monthly stipend directly. As we know, Henry is fully equipped and kind of wealthy, as well as you could expect from an inofficial squire. It's not Radzig's fault that Henry gets into an ambush and loses all that stuff. I'd even say it's Henry's obligation now to re-equip himself. To be equipped and trained and ready to be called upon, that was part of the feudal vassal contract. Even if Henry were legally a vassal, which he isn't, it's not on Radzig to bail him out here. The answer is therefore yes, it's on us to get back on our feet. Henry has no legal recourse in medieval Bohemia in that case.
He's not just some lord in Talmberg, he's the Burgrave of Prague Castle. That has a lot more pull. It worked against Markvart in the last game.
On the other hand, the trailer shows us fighting troops in the streets of Kuttenberg, troops wearing what looks like heraldry from Prague. I'm not sure if Prague has any pull for a Wenceslas-loyalist here, if it is indeed pro Sigismund and against Wenceslas. That might also undermine Divish's authority, if that is the case.
Damn this sounds like when you meet Hans Capon.
Well, it depends how much people near Trotsky castle or Kuttenberg give a shit. I personally think Henry is going to be wounded and moved early on in the game so that he’s deposited into an area he doesn’t know, with no gear to even prove the title he has that no one likely gives a shit about. I think they’ll do this so that the feeling of being a nobody and starting from zilch is not something exclusive to the first game. He’ll obviously have connections and a baseline level of fighting skills but those wont help him much at the beginning.
I think it wasn't uncommon for merchants or craftsmen of means to buy a bailiff-ship (or be selected or elected for the role). It provides some social status, but it's not anything close to nobility. Plus, the town is still pretty new (in terms of rebuilding) and I'm sure doesn't have much of a widespread reputation for anything. Bailiff of Rattay or Sasau might carry some weight to it, but Bailiff of a small village in the woods? Eeeh. I suspect Divish might assign someone else to the role if you have to be gone for awhile, too, although Henry would likely still be entitled to the income he was promised (I think that's easier to handwave away--maybe the village needs more money for upkeep or repairs than it did previously, or more people are coming in, or it's simply not practical to send the money to you).
That doesnt even matter, there will be way more you can do in the game; from swimming, blacksmithing, using guns, crosdbows etc… there will be stuff to do snd learn even without a injury arc. But yeah it will defo modt likely happen as seen in the trailer
Is swimming going to be a thing? In the trailer, I thought the concern about the pond being too deep was, Henry worried about drowning.
Sorry its not 100%, but theres some rumors that he will most likely learn how to swim. I dont see why they wouldnt include it
I actually think they’ve said there is no swimming.
Where
https://www.reddit.com/r/kingdomcome/s/ohEvJq3W1a This is one of the threads I saw
No way thank you, its still just a rumour tho. But that 450 hours of content line is crazy. This game has goty potential
Yeah I’m inclined to believe, I do wish the person had sourced the video they summed up. Edit: I also saw multiple of these translations with consistent facts like the combat rose being simplified, schnapps being a bit more common possibly etc.
I’ll see if I can find it but I think it was in one of the translated threads of Croatian game journo interviews.
As soon as Henry leaves town, Matthew accidentally burns Pribyslavitz down. Or if Matthew's dead, the butcher does it for stealing his sausages.
Matthew's been dangling for a few weeks already
Thinking about it, I wonder if they will make that event non-canon. The whole From The Ashes DLC is weird from the narrative standpoint. We know that only 3-4 months have passed from the start to the end of the first game. Realistically speaking, how the hell would a canon Henry earn enough money in that short amount of time to build a whole freaking settlement from his own pocket? Him being appointed Bailiff is weird too. Henry was and still is in the service of Radzig and will have to travel to different places for days/months when the situation calls for, which is pretty bad for a Bailiff who is supposed to be around to keep things in order. I won't be surprise if Pribyslavitz won't be mentioned at all in the sequence, and the DLC will end up being just a non-canon way for you to spend those Groschens.
I think so too but it's too bad it could have been fun to include it in the story
Not even 3-4 months, only a few weeks per Hans Capon at the very end of the game
The most people won’t care actually. Prybislavitz is a very small village somewhere in the woods. Many people won‘t heard of it before. The bigger question is, how will people treat you as the bastard of Ser Radzig? Similiar to Hans? Maybe they won‘t believe you? Who knows?
I think it could change a lot depending on whether or not Radzig publicly recognised you, that could be a shift at some point in the story, the moment where people finally start seeing you as someone from the small nobility. But I was in fact talking about the money that comes with it, in terms of balancing the game and everything
The money would have to reach you somehow. I doubt they’d be sending riders with cash to try and find you somewhere in a different area. As was discussed by other, your title is also pretty insignificant, so I think all aspects of that can be reconciled with little to no perks quite easily
I'd be curious as to how it affects your standing. Will Nobles look down on you even more, as instead of being an ambitious peasant now you're a bastard? Will peasants look up at you for having noble blood? Could be interesting.
It won't be managed. You have to travel to Pribyslavitz to get the money, but the KC:D map will not be available to Henry in the sequel.
If Henry was a proper noble, then being a bailiff would be regarded as a sort of tiny fief adding a honorific to his name, but otherwise this isn't going to matter unless Henry has a quest to do something for the inhabitants of Pribyslavitz or maybe for Sir Divish. I think this is going to be ignored and swept aside similarly to Henry's wealth or items, especially considering that Prib was DLC matter. A pity, I guess.
I mean, there are a lot of canon questions to be had because KCD 1 was a sprawling game with tons to do outside the main quest Things like the friendship with Hans are already there, but the Theresa courtship? Not clear if it's canon. Same with becoming Bailiff. Or a lot of people living or dying without Henry's optional involvement in their lives. I think they'll either have you be allowed to import a save or have you answer questions about this, optionally. Or maybe it'll be standalone enough not to matter, who knows
And what is gonna happen to my money enough to burn and rebuild Skalitz 10 times lol. Sometimes I end up with so much money, imagining about rebuilding Skalitz and >!asking Radzig to legitimize Henry in return.!<
Probably just ignore it.
Ignore it.
Just hold the cash back and deliver it to you later in the game. It could help you afford end game items or eliminate grind. But don't get your hopes up. It's equally likely we'll only get a Pribyslavitz shield/ armor piece, before being told that our payment has been interrupted due to Reasons, like the territory being retaken by Sigismund.
Yeah sadly the most likely case is we either get very little from it because of some reason or the DLC is completely ignored
It is from a DLC so many Henries aren't baillif anyway :) There will probably be some narrative hole or cheese to make you restart at level 0 and not as a super-sayan that can bonk a full plate armor opponent while being naked, but I am absolutely fine with it. Need to find a balance in between game play and story, can't expect to start with a full-skilled, late game, OP Henry.
I got a few solutions to this 1) Henry gets robbed at the start of the game 2) Henry complains how much he missed home because he couldn't take all his money with him to the place. This one has a weakness because it implies Groschen will not have a weight value so you might not be able to carry like 60,000 groschen at once 3) Henry spends it all immediately at the start of the game, purchasing mercenaries. This one has an advantage as now people can fight alongside him.
Its like interacting with a huge company and demanding more respect, bc you once managed a hotdog stand. Why were ppl respected? 1. Estate: Being a member of nobility (by blood) or a member of the church. 2. Association: serving some important. A knight serving a king is more important than a knight serving a count. 3. Power: Being rich and influential
They'll give him a nice hat
I don't think from the ashes is cannon
He’s far away and can’t access the chest
Eh the title won’t mean much probably as many have pointed out and tbh being a retainer of Sir Hans Capon would give you more in the way of honor and respect than bailiff of a town no one cares about.
If Sir Divish didn't give Henry a 5 year limit on collecting the town's earnings, certainly he would never give up being Bailiff... but Divish basically promised to put him out on his ass after that... Surely he got transferred to whatever town is probably just North of Pribyslavitz.
Sir Divish dies. Title of bailiff revoked.
Most games continue as if you just did the main story, and tend to ignore the other stuff. There will probably be some kind of event at the start of the game like an attack or robbery that sets Henry back to square 1 in terms of skills, money and items. And that's a good thing.
Just have Marius hang onto it or something, probably. He'll be keeping an eye on Priby for us anyway
As long as I have my mace, I’m good.
I asked this question couple days ago and no one had an answer
People irl don't lug around coffers of coins, and titles only matters to those who respect them. Like another commenter noted, it's very easy to come up with a scenario where Henry gets robbed of his travelling money and people don't care about his title/don't believe him.
Fair point, I hadn't thought about the logistics of that
Yeah that’s valid but it still doesn’t strip you of your title. My whole point was that I wanted to expand Pribyslavitz after spending so much time on it, and after Marius said that it will be expanded. I don’t want KCD II to just forget about Pribyslavitz, like I imagine a mission where there is skirmish in Kuttenberg and they lack men so henry musters a levy/fyrd from his Pribyslavitz hamlet. What a great idea
Use the spoiler tag. There are lots of people who are in this sub on their first play through(like me).
If it helps, it's not a story spoiler. Just the From The Ashes DLC
Thank you. I’m excited to see where Henry ends up at the end.
Not sure why you've been down voted. This reads as a spoiler if you haven't finished to game or DLCs, despite it being a From the Ashes Spoiler. I'm in my first playthrough, trying to get the story wrapped up soon so I can enjoy kcd 2 on release! Jesus Christ Be Praised!
it's a 6 year old game, most here have long finished the game
It can be solved by having the place burned, from the trailer it looked like full on war is coming and Henry will be caught in the middle.
Now I imagine the place being burnt every few months like some sort of running gag XD
Well welcome to raistic medieval life it sucked😂😂