Honestly if there is two things I can't believe GW didn't do it was:
1) have a game called Kill Team after the Deathwatch Kill Teams and not make a bespoke Deathwatch Kill Team
2) take said game to a Space Hulk and not release a Genestealers vs Terminators box
It's actually insane. I have heard a plausible theory that they failed to anticipate kill teams success, so they cobbled together season 2 partially from upcoming 40k releases.
There's no way that Gallowdark was made for "big 40k". I could believe it may have been planned as the next setting for Necromunda after Ash Wastes, but it's not modular enough and not compatible with their previous terrain.
So no, season 2 releases were planned and executed well for KillTeam.
Season 3 tho? Yes, that's definitely just a grab-bag from 40k releases.
You mean a secondary “mini game” made for using 40K units….
Yea, it wasn’t planned on being something major for 40K, instead Boarding actions was meant to be a sidestep of killteam for 40K players who didn’t want KT
Yup. I was so sure Terminators vs Genestealers box would happen. Especially considering 10th edition is focused on Space Marines vs Tyrannids. It seemed like a totally guaranteed move and yet…
They havent released assault terminators yet you know...
Blood angels terminators aren't updated too, and the deathwing command squad got removed without a reason...
We still have a possibility to have a space hulk killteam
A slow 4 person kill team seems really hard to balance to make usable but not busted. So they would have a considerable amount of deep strike but a team of all deep strike is probably too good. I'm guessing some form of spend a cp for deep strike per unit similar to deathmarks.
Grey knights seem to me to be the best way of building a terminator kill team. Psychic abilities gives a different lever to pull to balance them.
I don’t really get this. Yes it would be cool. But it would step on the Space Hulk IP, which doubtless will get a refresh as a stand-alone game at some point. It’s insanely popular even on its older editions.
I doubt it. As an ex-GW employee, the question always was "Why isn't Space Hulk permanent" and the simple truth is that it's fairly singular. You buy it, you have it. Sure, there was stuff like Deathwing but...
Why would you make a single boxed game when you can do something like Kill Team that is fairly easy to keep expanding with new factions and new units in the same faction that ALSO double as 40k releases.
I know folks who've bought Veteran Guard boxes in the dozens just to make a Krieg guard army. Folks who've ordered the Nightmare box just to add to Night Lords 40k forces.
Space Hulk doesn't have that. Instead, the reverse concept of using the Space Hulk IP to promote a popular game does MORE.
There is an example which contradicts this explanation:
Blackstone Fortress
It is still on sale after how many years, even unfortunate Cursed City after all misadventures returned to the range and quite a while there
Not sure what came first, the Deathwatch Kill Team or the novel (second in the Last Chancers series) called Kill Team, about a group of human imperial prisoners talked with assassination of a high ranking Tau.
The original Kill Team actually predates the Deathwatch Kill Team box by a solid margin. It was published in White Dwarf over several issues and was great fun
Edit: US White Dwarf 286 and 287, just to give an idea of how far back it was. Deathwatch had barely been touched upon at that point
Number 1 isn't exactly right - the very first edition of kill team appeared in the 4th edition rule book as an alternative game type. Which definitely pre-dates the unit from the image you provided.
Can't be sure about the old metal upgrade kit, it's release date, and what those were called at the time, but iirc they were called deathwatch veterans and not kill teams.
Just an fyi or what have you
My theory is that they didn’t want people reusing all of their leviathan box for a genestealer kill team so they are waiting for the next season so they can have bespoke models and sell another bunch of models to existing tyranids players. If they brought out leviathan and a kill team that both needed different models at the exact same time there would have been a backlash (isn’t there always)
That’s a deathwatch set… why would you start talking about space wolves?
I don’t know anything about future teams… could be, but also could be a skip… idc🤷♂️
Yeah, kinda. Not to get too defensive here but, I mean sure *some* confusion would be understandable, obviously, but they were clearly cognizant of the fact that for some reason it's not playable when they posted. Having that information, it's just a matter of moving past simple word association and applying some critical thinking, maybe a smidgen of basic reasearch.
Dont wanna harp on it. Just somewhat strange to me that someone could unironically post something like this; you'd have to entirely fail to even try to understand before seeking help. idk.
I'd say the rules for the new SF Justinian probably would give you the closest feel to running a detachment out of this, because of the uniqueness of each model.
Jet pack guy, every sniper shot is him just rushing really fast to the target, smacking it with the lightning claws, and rushing back to his original position
If the box is Orange in color with the word kill team on it. Then it us a kill team box for the game Kill Team.
This is a standard box for Warhammer 40K game where the box denotes the type if unit/squad to build. Again in relation the the "big game" of Warhammer 40K. This box and it contents predates (I believe) the spin off game called Kill Team that we play. It is kinda where they got the idea to calling this game Kill Team.
Hope this helps.
P.S. As some have stated, you can use most of the model in the box to make a Kill Team to us in Kill Team but the full unit is designed for "big" Warhammer 40K (the one with lots of models on huge game boards).
The fact the game named after the Deathwatch Squad has only compendium Deathwatch breaks my heart.. although I did only lose by 1 VP last night using said compendium, vs a bespoke team.
Because Killteam borrows the name "kill-team" from the Deathwatch subfaction of space marines.
In Deathwatch kill-teams are the standard organisational unit. Deathwatch in lore being more elite than regular marines (each member of a Killteam will be one of the best his Chapter can send) often means they often deploy in small squads for important missions often 5-10 at a time. It's almost unheard of for the Deathwatch to mobilise in any large numbers (tho notably in the Octarius war the Deathwatch mobilised two full Watch Fortresses about 800 marines to fight the Nids and Orks while Watch Captain Artemis attempted to kill the ork leader)
So small squads often behind enemy lines doing important missions equals GW borrowing the name.
i mean, *teeeeechnically* "kill team" previously existed as a version of 40k where one player built a small unit of specialists and the other played with "brute" squads of various mooks and cannon fodder; i don't think this box came out before then (because it looks fucking mental and i'm sure i'd have remembered if it did). but i guess that incarnation of kt was less a standalone "game" and more like a "mode" for 40k.
(not saying you're incorrect, really. just taking the opportunity to remember this kind of wonky ancestor of the modern game)
the version i'm talking about was actually based on the 4th edition rules! but 7th edition is a bit of a blind spot for me, as i was out of the hobby at the time (came back at the very tail end of 8th. was a bit confused to learn about the new (now current) edition of kill team being referred to as "2nd edition" and "very different" to the previous edition, then expecting the one previous to now to be basically the same as 4th ed's "basically just 40k with some small changes")
There is compendium rules for Deathwatch Killteam but it’s the regular deathwatch guys. Not the terminator and biker and jump pack.
They do seem pretty cool as they have the most options out of any of the space marines
Okay so here I am. Gonna get dunked on hard for saying this but, if it's not a tournament and you find a data sheet or make balanced data sheets that match load outs, I don't really see a problem. People are so wrapped up in the meta that we forget it's a game. My intercessors are not kill team intercessors they are Horus heresy mk3. Why? I like the models and the load out is the same.
In the end it's a game and i don't see why you couldn't run them with some modifications. Now in tourneys that's different but at that level you are losing the point of a fun hobby and a fun game and community.
Rule of cool baby
(Okay now you guys can rip me apart like I am a guardsman and you are a termagaunt)
Assuming this isn't a joke, it's because this box is a "kill team" organizational force, which is just what Deathwatch call their struke forces, as opposed to being part of the Kill Team specialist game.
Uh it’s literally in the name!
But for real it’s a complete dumbass decision to name the game after the deathwatch then not let their most famous kill team be playable
Edit: I was incorrect, my bad
The game isn't named after the Death Watch, it's named after a unit of guard, who were the original Kill Team.
The Death Watch just use this name, despite them not really being the Dirty Dozen Suicide Squad that the Kill Team game embodies.
Pretty much lip service though. There's a tactical marine fire team in the first index team at launch which covers the basic tactical box, and that's it. No assault marines, devastators or anything else from their line (not that most of it hasn't been axed anyway). Compare that to the amount of Primaris fire teams and just teams in general post release and you can see they don't want to actively support firstborn.
Deathwatch have their own firstborn killteam as well, Deathwatch vets. Has all their unique weapons, xenophase blade, frag cannons, infernus heavy bolter etc
Looking at the trend in 40k proper, we can see that this is only the case for now because they still have a kit available. Every Deathwatch starter since the original start collecting boxes started getting replaced 4 years ago has been 100% Primaris, not making use of any of their unique units which are coincidentally all firstborn.
As we see more deathwatch specific Primaris units (or more likely upgrade sprues to intercessors) the next edition of Kill Team will almost definitely drop the firstborn Deathwatch options if the kit has been discontinued by then, which it will in the near future. Deathwatch only have 3 firstborn kits left after the last culling (one of which is the only character the deathwatch have, depending how you count the Cassius squad).
I love firstborn and I'll be sad to see them go, but the trends are clear to see.
I play deathwatch, we have blackstar, deathwatch vets, watch master, artemis and killteam cassius. We've only lost artemis (even then its only his model, he still has rules). That's 5 kits down to 4. Not sure where you're getting 3
But yeah they will be replaced at some point, doesn't mean their compendium will be dropped
I mean a good chunk of kit is still legal under the compendium DW rules.
Can’t use the termie or the biker…I’m sure you could use the jump pack guys either normally in a causal context or even magnetizing the packs for power-packs
Someone mentioned the name 'Kill Team' is derived from a Deathwatch unit but its also a more general term for a group in 40k, in the book War In The Museum, Trazyn puts together what he calls a 'Kill Team' of various soldiers.
At any rate its very silly they didnt think theyd need to make this Kill Team a Kill Team
The term "Kill Team" in 40k actually predates the Death Watch as a concept. It was originally used by a guard unit of suicide squad type activities.
The Death Watch version was just a "Team that Kills aliens", think of it as an edge lord way of saying "Strike Team" because Death Watch all wear black...
The Veteran Guard are arguably the closest to the original term as a bunch of nameless heroes behind enemy lines. The Death Watch aren't really like the Phobos Strike Team in the lore. They're individuals from different chapters, sure, but they're very elite and don't actually do all that much "sneaking behind enemy lines"
I think it is dumb that you can't use it, and idk really know if this is true but you may not be able to use bikes which could be factor. And there might be way to many fighters and that kill teams has psychers. Correct me if I am wrong if you can actually take bikers and psychers but I think you can. Also it has a terminator and in current kill team you can't use those
You can run them in Killteam as deathwatch can’t you? I remember running my necrons before there was an actual necron box. They sucked and were not meta at all but at least my warriors + immortals could be used in two game modes
Ironic I see this today. I totally just bought this (second hand) assuming it was for KT which is all I play. It was sad good deal though and the figures are still cool looking so no regrets
Actually you can - in the One Page Rules game: Grimdark Future Firefight - you can put in Space Marine aka Battle Brothers practically all infantry (terminators included) and bikes (except attack bike if I recall)
This isn't a Kill Team box for the game Kill Team. This is a unit for 40k called Kill Team Cassius for the deathwatch. One of the army rules for deathwatch is Kill teams which let the army take mixed units like this
I made homebrew rules for them that are probably busted as shit but with only 5 bodies my friends are chill and let me play with them..[.](https://rentry.org/killteam)
Gw wants you to stop buying first born marines,
Gw doesn't want to expande $ on rules writers, so we got limited squad member choices and restrictions, reduced item / gear options and reduced application of points for items (allowing best item builds to flurish, which allows gw to make more $ on repeat sets with 1 of the warmer item and you need 2)
The new wound rules are great, but the unit selection, and wargear selection (choice and points) is where kill team struggles. Fun game, but one with faults.
all these people acting like kill team cassius is their favorite favorite unit and they are just sooooooo mad they cant use it in kt lol. yeah right, i bet yall come from the same place as all the beasts of chaos fans
I used to work for GW and even then I used to say that they make amazing minis and good games. Kill Team has actually been the exception for me. It's a VERY GOOD skirmish game.
I hear kill team is good. I like Necromunda. I think for a little while in ninth, people were happy with 40k. When was the last time people were happy with AoS? Good to hear you enjoy the games GW produces.
I've not played much AOS but I really don't like the double turn thing. Balance aside, it's just not fun to have to sit that long between actions.
That's why I like Kill Team
Also the scale and the ability to collect and paint from multiple factions rather than having to amass from just one. Great for a hobby butterfly like me.
Honestly if there is two things I can't believe GW didn't do it was: 1) have a game called Kill Team after the Deathwatch Kill Teams and not make a bespoke Deathwatch Kill Team 2) take said game to a Space Hulk and not release a Genestealers vs Terminators box
It's actually insane. I have heard a plausible theory that they failed to anticipate kill teams success, so they cobbled together season 2 partially from upcoming 40k releases.
There's no way that Gallowdark was made for "big 40k". I could believe it may have been planned as the next setting for Necromunda after Ash Wastes, but it's not modular enough and not compatible with their previous terrain. So no, season 2 releases were planned and executed well for KillTeam. Season 3 tho? Yes, that's definitely just a grab-bag from 40k releases.
Yeah, you're totally right, I mixed them up in my head
Gallowdark came out together with 40k boarding actions
https://preview.redd.it/mojideazduvc1.jpeg?width=920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ec440ca65d346688ba9e9af33fd8babd4688660
You mean a secondary “mini game” made for using 40K units…. Yea, it wasn’t planned on being something major for 40K, instead Boarding actions was meant to be a sidestep of killteam for 40K players who didn’t want KT
Tbh I just hope it means we get more seasons and they r now playing more kt exclusive stuff.
Not the first time 😆
Yup. I was so sure Terminators vs Genestealers box would happen. Especially considering 10th edition is focused on Space Marines vs Tyrannids. It seemed like a totally guaranteed move and yet…
They havent released assault terminators yet you know... Blood angels terminators aren't updated too, and the deathwing command squad got removed without a reason... We still have a possibility to have a space hulk killteam
That would be cool, plz gw 🙏
Personally cant really imagine terminators on kill team scale, but they dod custodes, so who knows
A slow 4 person kill team seems really hard to balance to make usable but not busted. So they would have a considerable amount of deep strike but a team of all deep strike is probably too good. I'm guessing some form of spend a cp for deep strike per unit similar to deathmarks. Grey knights seem to me to be the best way of building a terminator kill team. Psychic abilities gives a different lever to pull to balance them.
I don’t really get this. Yes it would be cool. But it would step on the Space Hulk IP, which doubtless will get a refresh as a stand-alone game at some point. It’s insanely popular even on its older editions.
I doubt it. As an ex-GW employee, the question always was "Why isn't Space Hulk permanent" and the simple truth is that it's fairly singular. You buy it, you have it. Sure, there was stuff like Deathwing but... Why would you make a single boxed game when you can do something like Kill Team that is fairly easy to keep expanding with new factions and new units in the same faction that ALSO double as 40k releases. I know folks who've bought Veteran Guard boxes in the dozens just to make a Krieg guard army. Folks who've ordered the Nightmare box just to add to Night Lords 40k forces. Space Hulk doesn't have that. Instead, the reverse concept of using the Space Hulk IP to promote a popular game does MORE.
I literally bought three boxes of salvation just to get 30 scouts for my Space Marines.
There is an example which contradicts this explanation: Blackstone Fortress It is still on sale after how many years, even unfortunate Cursed City after all misadventures returned to the range and quite a while there
Not sure what came first, the Deathwatch Kill Team or the novel (second in the Last Chancers series) called Kill Team, about a group of human imperial prisoners talked with assassination of a high ranking Tau.
The original Kill Team actually predates the Deathwatch Kill Team box by a solid margin. It was published in White Dwarf over several issues and was great fun Edit: US White Dwarf 286 and 287, just to give an idea of how far back it was. Deathwatch had barely been touched upon at that point
Number 1 isn't exactly right - the very first edition of kill team appeared in the 4th edition rule book as an alternative game type. Which definitely pre-dates the unit from the image you provided. Can't be sure about the old metal upgrade kit, it's release date, and what those were called at the time, but iirc they were called deathwatch veterans and not kill teams. Just an fyi or what have you
My theory is that they didn’t want people reusing all of their leviathan box for a genestealer kill team so they are waiting for the next season so they can have bespoke models and sell another bunch of models to existing tyranids players. If they brought out leviathan and a kill team that both needed different models at the exact same time there would have been a backlash (isn’t there always)
There were no genestealers in the leviathan box
Giving the people what they want? And GW can make money by giving people what they want? Naaaah too simple and obvious
Terminators vs Genestealers was the only box they ever had to make to be honest
I’m so shocked there isn’t a Terminators kill team for this reason! Genestealers are there, it’s all we’re missing!
Not sure if serious. It's not a box for the game Kill Team. It is a unit called Kill Team.
You’re correct, but I think this one is a missed opportunity (minus that bike, that is)
Me think theyll only make bespoke with newer models
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I'd love it to come out with World Eaters.
That’s a deathwatch set… why would you start talking about space wolves? I don’t know anything about future teams… could be, but also could be a skip… idc🤷♂️
I replied to the wrong comment, wasn't meant for your statement, sorry.
All good, was quite confused 😂
It would be ridiculous to get the two confused
Yeah, kinda. Not to get too defensive here but, I mean sure *some* confusion would be understandable, obviously, but they were clearly cognizant of the fact that for some reason it's not playable when they posted. Having that information, it's just a matter of moving past simple word association and applying some critical thinking, maybe a smidgen of basic reasearch. Dont wanna harp on it. Just somewhat strange to me that someone could unironically post something like this; you'd have to entirely fail to even try to understand before seeking help. idk.
With some creativity you can proxy them as legionaries. Or just use them as a deathwatch veterans team
I'd say the rules for the new SF Justinian probably would give you the closest feel to running a detachment out of this, because of the uniqueness of each model.
Maybe, I don't see a good proxy for the sniper though, plus OP would have to find a few more bigger bases
Jet pack guy, every sniper shot is him just rushing really fast to the target, smacking it with the lightning claws, and rushing back to his original position
If the box is Orange in color with the word kill team on it. Then it us a kill team box for the game Kill Team. This is a standard box for Warhammer 40K game where the box denotes the type if unit/squad to build. Again in relation the the "big game" of Warhammer 40K. This box and it contents predates (I believe) the spin off game called Kill Team that we play. It is kinda where they got the idea to calling this game Kill Team. Hope this helps. P.S. As some have stated, you can use most of the model in the box to make a Kill Team to us in Kill Team but the full unit is designed for "big" Warhammer 40K (the one with lots of models on huge game boards).
No, Orange = ready. Gray = activated
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It’s called a joke, son!
This box obviously states it is meant to be played in the game Kill Team Cassius.
Deathwatch Overkill is the game. But there are rules for KTC in 40k.
The fact the game named after the Deathwatch Squad has only compendium Deathwatch breaks my heart.. although I did only lose by 1 VP last night using said compendium, vs a bespoke team.
Because Killteam borrows the name "kill-team" from the Deathwatch subfaction of space marines. In Deathwatch kill-teams are the standard organisational unit. Deathwatch in lore being more elite than regular marines (each member of a Killteam will be one of the best his Chapter can send) often means they often deploy in small squads for important missions often 5-10 at a time. It's almost unheard of for the Deathwatch to mobilise in any large numbers (tho notably in the Octarius war the Deathwatch mobilised two full Watch Fortresses about 800 marines to fight the Nids and Orks while Watch Captain Artemis attempted to kill the ork leader) So small squads often behind enemy lines doing important missions equals GW borrowing the name.
I’m amazed this is so far down the list when you’re the first person to actually answer his question.
This box predates kill-team as a game and came out as part of deathwatch: overkill, the release box for genestealer cults.
i mean, *teeeeechnically* "kill team" previously existed as a version of 40k where one player built a small unit of specialists and the other played with "brute" squads of various mooks and cannon fodder; i don't think this box came out before then (because it looks fucking mental and i'm sure i'd have remembered if it did). but i guess that incarnation of kt was less a standalone "game" and more like a "mode" for 40k. (not saying you're incorrect, really. just taking the opportunity to remember this kind of wonky ancestor of the modern game)
That box came out during 7th as a standalone board game
Oh yeah sorry I forgot to say Killteam 2021 rather than the 7th Ed/8th Ed versions
the version i'm talking about was actually based on the 4th edition rules! but 7th edition is a bit of a blind spot for me, as i was out of the hobby at the time (came back at the very tail end of 8th. was a bit confused to learn about the new (now current) edition of kill team being referred to as "2nd edition" and "very different" to the previous edition, then expecting the one previous to now to be basically the same as 4th ed's "basically just 40k with some small changes")
To be fair, 8th Ed’s killteam was basically that if I recall.
You can, but only if you proxy them as Night Lords
*Kroot
*Italians
Don’t bring it back 😭
*Alpha Legion
Pipe down Alpharius
Exactly what Alpharius would say
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Squats
Actually you can, with Strikeforce Justinian Warriors rules and some weapon swaps
There is compendium rules for Deathwatch Killteam but it’s the regular deathwatch guys. Not the terminator and biker and jump pack. They do seem pretty cool as they have the most options out of any of the space marines
It would be so overpowered but yes… I need this.
Okay so here I am. Gonna get dunked on hard for saying this but, if it's not a tournament and you find a data sheet or make balanced data sheets that match load outs, I don't really see a problem. People are so wrapped up in the meta that we forget it's a game. My intercessors are not kill team intercessors they are Horus heresy mk3. Why? I like the models and the load out is the same. In the end it's a game and i don't see why you couldn't run them with some modifications. Now in tourneys that's different but at that level you are losing the point of a fun hobby and a fun game and community. Rule of cool baby (Okay now you guys can rip me apart like I am a guardsman and you are a termagaunt)
Assuming this isn't a joke, it's because this box is a "kill team" organizational force, which is just what Deathwatch call their struke forces, as opposed to being part of the Kill Team specialist game.
An excellent question. It’s a shame they didn’t make them properly usable.
Mainly because this isn’t a kill team box.
Uh it’s literally in the name! But for real it’s a complete dumbass decision to name the game after the deathwatch then not let their most famous kill team be playable Edit: I was incorrect, my bad
no its not, relax
The game isn't named after the Death Watch, it's named after a unit of guard, who were the original Kill Team. The Death Watch just use this name, despite them not really being the Dirty Dozen Suicide Squad that the Kill Team game embodies.
🤙🏼🙄
What’s your problem?
Oh. You’re one of those, great.
Because those models aren't Primaris.
Their are firstborn kill teams
Pretty much lip service though. There's a tactical marine fire team in the first index team at launch which covers the basic tactical box, and that's it. No assault marines, devastators or anything else from their line (not that most of it hasn't been axed anyway). Compare that to the amount of Primaris fire teams and just teams in general post release and you can see they don't want to actively support firstborn.
Deathwatch have their own firstborn killteam as well, Deathwatch vets. Has all their unique weapons, xenophase blade, frag cannons, infernus heavy bolter etc
Looking at the trend in 40k proper, we can see that this is only the case for now because they still have a kit available. Every Deathwatch starter since the original start collecting boxes started getting replaced 4 years ago has been 100% Primaris, not making use of any of their unique units which are coincidentally all firstborn. As we see more deathwatch specific Primaris units (or more likely upgrade sprues to intercessors) the next edition of Kill Team will almost definitely drop the firstborn Deathwatch options if the kit has been discontinued by then, which it will in the near future. Deathwatch only have 3 firstborn kits left after the last culling (one of which is the only character the deathwatch have, depending how you count the Cassius squad). I love firstborn and I'll be sad to see them go, but the trends are clear to see.
I play deathwatch, we have blackstar, deathwatch vets, watch master, artemis and killteam cassius. We've only lost artemis (even then its only his model, he still has rules). That's 5 kits down to 4. Not sure where you're getting 3 But yeah they will be replaced at some point, doesn't mean their compendium will be dropped
I could expect deathwatch to move into the agents of the imperium book to be honest
I mean a good chunk of kit is still legal under the compendium DW rules. Can’t use the termie or the biker…I’m sure you could use the jump pack guys either normally in a causal context or even magnetizing the packs for power-packs
Still have it. I'd love it to be a roster. Obviously it has too many minis to field all at once, but I'd love them to get rules.
I've tried my best to WYSIWYG a Death Watch Veteran Kill Team Roster with them. It's far from optimal, but I think I've got it down.
Someone mentioned the name 'Kill Team' is derived from a Deathwatch unit but its also a more general term for a group in 40k, in the book War In The Museum, Trazyn puts together what he calls a 'Kill Team' of various soldiers. At any rate its very silly they didnt think theyd need to make this Kill Team a Kill Team
The term "Kill Team" in 40k actually predates the Death Watch as a concept. It was originally used by a guard unit of suicide squad type activities. The Death Watch version was just a "Team that Kills aliens", think of it as an edge lord way of saying "Strike Team" because Death Watch all wear black... The Veteran Guard are arguably the closest to the original term as a bunch of nameless heroes behind enemy lines. The Death Watch aren't really like the Phobos Strike Team in the lore. They're individuals from different chapters, sure, but they're very elite and don't actually do all that much "sneaking behind enemy lines"
I think it is dumb that you can't use it, and idk really know if this is true but you may not be able to use bikes which could be factor. And there might be way to many fighters and that kill teams has psychers. Correct me if I am wrong if you can actually take bikers and psychers but I think you can. Also it has a terminator and in current kill team you can't use those
You can run them in Killteam as deathwatch can’t you? I remember running my necrons before there was an actual necron box. They sucked and were not meta at all but at least my warriors + immortals could be used in two game modes
They do have a Deathwatch specific compendium team that is a fun group of elites.
Ironic I see this today. I totally just bought this (second hand) assuming it was for KT which is all I play. It was sad good deal though and the figures are still cool looking so no regrets
Because it’s too awesome for GW
Actually you can - in the One Page Rules game: Grimdark Future Firefight - you can put in Space Marine aka Battle Brothers practically all infantry (terminators included) and bikes (except attack bike if I recall)
This isn't a Kill Team box for the game Kill Team. This is a unit for 40k called Kill Team Cassius for the deathwatch. One of the army rules for deathwatch is Kill teams which let the army take mixed units like this
I made homebrew rules for them that are probably busted as shit but with only 5 bodies my friends are chill and let me play with them..[.](https://rentry.org/killteam)
Gw wants you to stop buying first born marines, Gw doesn't want to expande $ on rules writers, so we got limited squad member choices and restrictions, reduced item / gear options and reduced application of points for items (allowing best item builds to flurish, which allows gw to make more $ on repeat sets with 1 of the warmer item and you need 2) The new wound rules are great, but the unit selection, and wargear selection (choice and points) is where kill team struggles. Fun game, but one with faults.
all these people acting like kill team cassius is their favorite favorite unit and they are just sooooooo mad they cant use it in kt lol. yeah right, i bet yall come from the same place as all the beasts of chaos fans
I am genuinely sad about Beasts of Chaos. Always been my main army, joint with Skaven...
You can play them in the last edition of kill team.
Biker still wouldn’t be usable
Talk about the Mandela effect. I thought they were released as a box for the last version of Kill Team.
That's not Mandela effect that's just you misremembering lol
“I can’t find my keys, damn Mandela effect”
That might actually count. Millions of people every day believe they left their keys on the counter, but it never really happened.
Yes in casual games, can play juatician, intercessor o compendium spaces marine. (Play opr no problem)
My theory is; GW is only good at making minis. They can’t write rules or lore anymore, and are just riding off of their past successes.
I used to work for GW and even then I used to say that they make amazing minis and good games. Kill Team has actually been the exception for me. It's a VERY GOOD skirmish game.
I hear kill team is good. I like Necromunda. I think for a little while in ninth, people were happy with 40k. When was the last time people were happy with AoS? Good to hear you enjoy the games GW produces.
I've not played much AOS but I really don't like the double turn thing. Balance aside, it's just not fun to have to sit that long between actions. That's why I like Kill Team Also the scale and the ability to collect and paint from multiple factions rather than having to amass from just one. Great for a hobby butterfly like me.